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The result was redirect to Belgium–France relations. I would have liked to see more discussion of the sources, but relisting again is a waste of time for a one-sentence article. This result is based on the current state of the article, and does not preclude a future article that is supported by good sources. Sock !votes are being ignored. Vanamonde ( Talk) 16:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Belgians in France
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WP:GNG, and no context.
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talk) 08:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC) (This account is a confirmed
sock puppet and has been blocked indefinitely
Frank
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19:36, 27 November 2022 (UTC))
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Belgium and France. Alverado ( talk) 08:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, one would imagine that it should be a notable subject, but I can't find any sources discussing the Belgian community in France at all. Maybe there is something in French or Dutch? JMWt ( talk) 08:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete If we don't find any published material about the subject, then we should admit that it isn't notable. Formerly, the article was longer, but virtually all material in it was either unsourced, not really related to the subject, or a violation of WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. Rsk6400 ( talk) 12:49, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Delete Due to WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. Alverado ( talk), 07:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)(This account is a confirmed sock puppet and has been blocked indefinitely Frank Anchor 19:36, 27 November 2022 (UTC))
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Per Wikipedia:Deletion_review#26_November_2022 given sock infestation
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 19:27, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 20:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. As JMWt indicates, this should be a notable subject, but if we don't have sources to support it, then we shouldn't have an article until we find sources. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:43, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the single statement in the article can be added to Belgium–France relations. LibStar ( talk) 00:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (but actually Merge to Belgium–France relations) - A little confused by the discussion above, since a cursory and uninformed search reveals plenty of academic discussion of the topic on the first page of results alone: [1] [2] [3] [4]That PhD diss from the 1970s, in particular, looks to have an extensive bibliography from which to build a larger article. That said, it seems fine to me to include that information in the History section of Belgium–France relations. Therefore, while I expect late consensus around keeping is unlikely to form, I recommend a Merge with a "Sources exist" template added to the target page (or similar). Suriname0 ( talk) 15:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Poulain, Michel; Foulon, Michel; Degioanni, Anna; Darlu, Pierre (2000-06-01). "Flemish immigration in wallonia and in france:". The History of the Family. 5 (2): 227–241. doi: 10.1016/S1081-602X(00)00035-X. ISSN 1081-602X.
- ^ Vanden Borre, Saartje; Verschaffel, Tom (2012), Van Ginderachter, Maarten; Beyen, Marnix (eds.), "Between or Without Nations? Multiple Identifications Among Belgian Migrants in Lille, Northern France, 1850–1900", Nationhood from Below: Europe in the Long Nineteenth Century, London: Palgrave Macmillan UK, pp. 193–213, doi: 10.1057/9780230355354_9, ISBN 978-0-230-35535-4, retrieved 2022-12-04
- ^ "BELGIAN WORKERS IN ROUBAIX, FRANCE, IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY. - ProQuest". www.proquest.com. Retrieved 2022-12-04.
- ^ Bade, Klaus (2008-04-15). Migration in European History. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-0-470-75457-3.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts based on the sources provided by Suriname0?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm ( talk) 04:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Belgium–France relations. This seems like a pretty clear case of redirect until someone writes an article, which I'm sure can be written, but this one sentence isn't it. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 11:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Belgium–France relations. I would have liked to see more discussion of the sources, but relisting again is a waste of time for a one-sentence article. This result is based on the current state of the article, and does not preclude a future article that is supported by good sources. Sock !votes are being ignored. Vanamonde ( Talk) 16:43, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
Belgians in France
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No indication of
WP:GNG, and no context.
Alverado (
talk) 08:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC) (This account is a confirmed
sock puppet and has been blocked indefinitely
Frank
Anchor
19:36, 27 November 2022 (UTC))
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Belgium and France. Alverado ( talk) 08:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, one would imagine that it should be a notable subject, but I can't find any sources discussing the Belgian community in France at all. Maybe there is something in French or Dutch? JMWt ( talk) 08:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete If we don't find any published material about the subject, then we should admit that it isn't notable. Formerly, the article was longer, but virtually all material in it was either unsourced, not really related to the subject, or a violation of WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. Rsk6400 ( talk) 12:49, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Delete Due to WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. Alverado ( talk), 07:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)(This account is a confirmed sock puppet and has been blocked indefinitely Frank Anchor 19:36, 27 November 2022 (UTC))
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Per Wikipedia:Deletion_review#26_November_2022 given sock infestation
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 19:27, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 20:02, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. As JMWt indicates, this should be a notable subject, but if we don't have sources to support it, then we shouldn't have an article until we find sources. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 22:43, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
- Delete the single statement in the article can be added to Belgium–France relations. LibStar ( talk) 00:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (but actually Merge to Belgium–France relations) - A little confused by the discussion above, since a cursory and uninformed search reveals plenty of academic discussion of the topic on the first page of results alone: [1] [2] [3] [4]That PhD diss from the 1970s, in particular, looks to have an extensive bibliography from which to build a larger article. That said, it seems fine to me to include that information in the History section of Belgium–France relations. Therefore, while I expect late consensus around keeping is unlikely to form, I recommend a Merge with a "Sources exist" template added to the target page (or similar). Suriname0 ( talk) 15:53, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Poulain, Michel; Foulon, Michel; Degioanni, Anna; Darlu, Pierre (2000-06-01). "Flemish immigration in wallonia and in france:". The History of the Family. 5 (2): 227–241. doi: 10.1016/S1081-602X(00)00035-X. ISSN 1081-602X.
- ^ Vanden Borre, Saartje; Verschaffel, Tom (2012), Van Ginderachter, Maarten; Beyen, Marnix (eds.), "Between or Without Nations? Multiple Identifications Among Belgian Migrants in Lille, Northern France, 1850–1900", Nationhood from Below: Europe in the Long Nineteenth Century, London: Palgrave Macmillan UK, pp. 193–213, doi: 10.1057/9780230355354_9, ISBN 978-0-230-35535-4, retrieved 2022-12-04
- ^ "BELGIAN WORKERS IN ROUBAIX, FRANCE, IN THE NINETEENTH CENTURY. - ProQuest". www.proquest.com. Retrieved 2022-12-04.
- ^ Bade, Klaus (2008-04-15). Migration in European History. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-0-470-75457-3.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts based on the sources provided by Suriname0?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Legoktm ( talk) 04:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Belgium–France relations. This seems like a pretty clear case of redirect until someone writes an article, which I'm sure can be written, but this one sentence isn't it. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 11:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
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