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The result was delete. No notability-establishing sources have been found. Sandstein 18:44, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Beata Syta
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I found nothing which could help in substantiating this article. Hence fails WP:GNG. zoglophie 13:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Badminton, Olympics, and Poland. zoglophie 13:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I beleive that any athlete who competed at an Olypic Games is considered notable. The article has sources- and had them when nominated for deletion- and I think the nominator should have a look at WP:BEFORE. I found [1] very quickly: looks pretty solid to me. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
TheLongTone: That is just a database. Every athlete who has participated in Olympics has it. Olympians are also being redirected/deleted per new guidelines. Where are the sources contributing to WP:SIGCOV being met?
zoglophie
15:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Certainly, but I would imagine that an an olympian there would have been significant print coverage in her country of origin.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Your belief is not consistent with community consensus. WP:NOLY was reduced from participants to medal winners some time ago) as experience has shown that Olympic participation is not in itself sufficient as an indicator of the existence of significant coverage (or notability). The result of successive discussions and RFCs in recent years has been substantial changes to notability guidelines: principally WP:NSPORT, including WP:NOLY and WP:SPORTCRIT. Essentially, significant coverage must be demonstrated, not imagined. wjemather please leave a message... 16:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Certainly, but I would imagine that an an olympian there would have been significant print coverage in her country of origin.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- I respect your imaginations, but to keep this article we would need some sources. Thankyou. zoglophie 15:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete GNG still applies. We have nothing showing she's been mentioned in media; I think she might run a restaurant in Poland now, but it's not notable. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing but badminton databases and Wikipedia mirrors, unfortunately. Kingsif ( talk) 03:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- comment I'm most surprised that wiki guidelines do not consider Olympians to be per se notable, given that wikipedia seem to consider anybody who has ever even looked at a football to be notable.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:53, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Mere participation is no longer a criterion of any sports notability guidelines. wjemather please leave a message... 16:02, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- comment I'm most surprised that wiki guidelines do not consider Olympians to be per se notable, given that wikipedia seem to consider anybody who has ever even looked at a football to be notable.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:53, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I do believe tht all article in Wikipedia should be support with sources. However, we shouldn't ignore existing offline sources either. Ex: in this article, said tht Beata Syta mentioned in "Głuszek, Leksykon 1999" book. Besides competing in Olympic Games and won some national championships title, she also 2nd in 1991 Czechoslovakian International, 3rd in 1990 and 1991 Bulgarian International, 1990 Hungarian International, 1992 Swiss Open, and 1994 Victor Cup. Based on these achievements, we can expand the article. Thanks Stvbastian ( talk) 02:34, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 14:57, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - despite ample time to find sources, no suitable ones have been presented. WP:SPORTBASIC requires that [sports] biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. The last part is extremely important. Olympics.com and Olympedia and other such sources therefore do not confer notability. As she did not win a medal in the Olympics, she doesn't meet WP:NOLY. We are therefore left only with WP:GNG, which SPORTBASIC is based on. ProQuest gives us nothing useful. Likewise with Google Books. Lastly, this Polish source search doesn't really help us. I did find a Wordpress site called Okiem Jadwigi but it's just a personal blog and the coverage is weak anyway, amounting to nothing more than one team listing and a few image captions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. No notability-establishing sources have been found. Sandstein 18:44, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
Beata Syta
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I found nothing which could help in substantiating this article. Hence fails WP:GNG. zoglophie 13:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Badminton, Olympics, and Poland. zoglophie 13:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. I beleive that any athlete who competed at an Olypic Games is considered notable. The article has sources- and had them when nominated for deletion- and I think the nominator should have a look at WP:BEFORE. I found [1] very quickly: looks pretty solid to me. TheLongTone ( talk) 15:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- @
TheLongTone: That is just a database. Every athlete who has participated in Olympics has it. Olympians are also being redirected/deleted per new guidelines. Where are the sources contributing to WP:SIGCOV being met?
zoglophie
15:04, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Certainly, but I would imagine that an an olympian there would have been significant print coverage in her country of origin.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Your belief is not consistent with community consensus. WP:NOLY was reduced from participants to medal winners some time ago) as experience has shown that Olympic participation is not in itself sufficient as an indicator of the existence of significant coverage (or notability). The result of successive discussions and RFCs in recent years has been substantial changes to notability guidelines: principally WP:NSPORT, including WP:NOLY and WP:SPORTCRIT. Essentially, significant coverage must be demonstrated, not imagined. wjemather please leave a message... 16:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Certainly, but I would imagine that an an olympian there would have been significant print coverage in her country of origin.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:21, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- I respect your imaginations, but to keep this article we would need some sources. Thankyou. zoglophie 15:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete GNG still applies. We have nothing showing she's been mentioned in media; I think she might run a restaurant in Poland now, but it's not notable. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing but badminton databases and Wikipedia mirrors, unfortunately. Kingsif ( talk) 03:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- comment I'm most surprised that wiki guidelines do not consider Olympians to be per se notable, given that wikipedia seem to consider anybody who has ever even looked at a football to be notable.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:53, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Mere participation is no longer a criterion of any sports notability guidelines. wjemather please leave a message... 16:02, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- comment I'm most surprised that wiki guidelines do not consider Olympians to be per se notable, given that wikipedia seem to consider anybody who has ever even looked at a football to be notable.
TheLongTone (
talk)
15:53, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I do believe tht all article in Wikipedia should be support with sources. However, we shouldn't ignore existing offline sources either. Ex: in this article, said tht Beata Syta mentioned in "Głuszek, Leksykon 1999" book. Besides competing in Olympic Games and won some national championships title, she also 2nd in 1991 Czechoslovakian International, 3rd in 1990 and 1991 Bulgarian International, 1990 Hungarian International, 1992 Swiss Open, and 1994 Victor Cup. Based on these achievements, we can expand the article. Thanks Stvbastian ( talk) 02:34, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 14:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 ( talk) 14:57, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - despite ample time to find sources, no suitable ones have been presented. WP:SPORTBASIC requires that [sports] biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. The last part is extremely important. Olympics.com and Olympedia and other such sources therefore do not confer notability. As she did not win a medal in the Olympics, she doesn't meet WP:NOLY. We are therefore left only with WP:GNG, which SPORTBASIC is based on. ProQuest gives us nothing useful. Likewise with Google Books. Lastly, this Polish source search doesn't really help us. I did find a Wordpress site called Okiem Jadwigi but it's just a personal blog and the coverage is weak anyway, amounting to nothing more than one team listing and a few image captions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 21:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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