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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:46, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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Disambiguation violates WP:PTM by not disambiguating between articles sharing the exact title. "Art game" is not the same as "game art" and should not share a disambiguation page. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 13:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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- Comment have to give it more thought. Deciding if it is an aide in navigation in spite of ambiguous article titles. Lightburst ( talk) 14:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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Zxcvbnm: Why can't "game art" and "art game" share a DAB page? "Things that are not the same" are all what disambiguation is about. If we didn't have different things on the same DAB page there would be no need for disambiguation pages. Question: Could a reader unfamiliar with art concepts with video games be in doubt about which term ("game art" or "art game") to use? Also, this is not strictly a question of a partial title match, as each term fully uses up the characters. The key to
PTM is "significant risk of confusion between them". --
Bejnar (
talk)
17:40, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- I don't believe that anyone with typical knowledge of grammar would use "art game" to describe art in a video game. It clearly describes the game itself as the art. This doesn't seem to be a case of extreme ambiguity between the two terms. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 23:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Some editors apparently have no clue what disambiguation pages are there for. It is NOT for anything that has some remote connection to the title. Egregious example #1: Roman Empire (disambiguation) had the Ottoman Empire as an entry for some bizarre reason. Clarityfiend ( talk) 02:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- "What disambiguation pages are there for" should be simply as an aid to navigation for readers who are not sure what article they want, not for editors who want to show off how clever they are by saying that it's anything else. And let's remember that an encyclopedia exists for readers who want to find something out that they don't already know, rather than for people who already know everything. In this case I would have thought that it's unlikely, but possible, that anyone would confuse "art game" and "game art". Phil Bridger ( talk) 13:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- IMO, there are three related topics, which are already interconnected by a hatnote in each article:
Art game,
Video games as an art form and
Video game art. So navigation is already handled.
Video game graphics and
Video game music say nothing about art, only nuts-and-bolts technology.
Video game design#Narrative
doesn't even exist, though if it did, narrativedoesn't equate to art. Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC) - Hypothetically, if say there were things like Art Game (novel) and Art Game (painting), Video games as an art form and Video game art would still only qualify for the See also section. Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- IMO, there are three related topics, which are already interconnected by a hatnote in each article:
Art game,
Video games as an art form and
Video game art. So navigation is already handled.
Video game graphics and
Video game music say nothing about art, only nuts-and-bolts technology.
Video game design#Narrative
- Delete. I can get behind the idea that "Video games as an art form" and "Art game" could be confused, but this is a WP:TWODABS situation and needs nothing but a hatnote. "Video game art" really is not ambiguous here (IMO), and even that could be in a hatnote rather than a separate dab page. IceWelder [ ✉] 19:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Agree that the most reasonable terms that could be search results of "art game" can be handled through hatnotes at the current art game. Merging "game art" on this page doesn't make sense, there's just no English way to mix those terms up (Though art game should mention aspects of game art as part of why they are art games. -- Masem ( t) 21:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, I don't understand the rules for Disambig pages well enough to !vote here, but I'll agree that I don't think a native speaker would confuse "game art" and "art game" even if they were unfamiliar with the topics. A non-native speaker might. English word-order rules can be tricky to learn. ApLundell ( talk) 22:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 13:46, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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Disambiguation violates WP:PTM by not disambiguating between articles sharing the exact title. "Art game" is not the same as "game art" and should not share a disambiguation page. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 13:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 13:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 13:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment have to give it more thought. Deciding if it is an aide in navigation in spite of ambiguous article titles. Lightburst ( talk) 14:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @
Zxcvbnm: Why can't "game art" and "art game" share a DAB page? "Things that are not the same" are all what disambiguation is about. If we didn't have different things on the same DAB page there would be no need for disambiguation pages. Question: Could a reader unfamiliar with art concepts with video games be in doubt about which term ("game art" or "art game") to use? Also, this is not strictly a question of a partial title match, as each term fully uses up the characters. The key to
PTM is "significant risk of confusion between them". --
Bejnar (
talk)
17:40, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- I don't believe that anyone with typical knowledge of grammar would use "art game" to describe art in a video game. It clearly describes the game itself as the art. This doesn't seem to be a case of extreme ambiguity between the two terms. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 23:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Some editors apparently have no clue what disambiguation pages are there for. It is NOT for anything that has some remote connection to the title. Egregious example #1: Roman Empire (disambiguation) had the Ottoman Empire as an entry for some bizarre reason. Clarityfiend ( talk) 02:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- "What disambiguation pages are there for" should be simply as an aid to navigation for readers who are not sure what article they want, not for editors who want to show off how clever they are by saying that it's anything else. And let's remember that an encyclopedia exists for readers who want to find something out that they don't already know, rather than for people who already know everything. In this case I would have thought that it's unlikely, but possible, that anyone would confuse "art game" and "game art". Phil Bridger ( talk) 13:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- IMO, there are three related topics, which are already interconnected by a hatnote in each article:
Art game,
Video games as an art form and
Video game art. So navigation is already handled.
Video game graphics and
Video game music say nothing about art, only nuts-and-bolts technology.
Video game design#Narrative
doesn't even exist, though if it did, narrativedoesn't equate to art. Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC) - Hypothetically, if say there were things like Art Game (novel) and Art Game (painting), Video games as an art form and Video game art would still only qualify for the See also section. Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:42, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- IMO, there are three related topics, which are already interconnected by a hatnote in each article:
Art game,
Video games as an art form and
Video game art. So navigation is already handled.
Video game graphics and
Video game music say nothing about art, only nuts-and-bolts technology.
Video game design#Narrative
- Delete. I can get behind the idea that "Video games as an art form" and "Art game" could be confused, but this is a WP:TWODABS situation and needs nothing but a hatnote. "Video game art" really is not ambiguous here (IMO), and even that could be in a hatnote rather than a separate dab page. IceWelder [ ✉] 19:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Agree that the most reasonable terms that could be search results of "art game" can be handled through hatnotes at the current art game. Merging "game art" on this page doesn't make sense, there's just no English way to mix those terms up (Though art game should mention aspects of game art as part of why they are art games. -- Masem ( t) 21:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment, I don't understand the rules for Disambig pages well enough to !vote here, but I'll agree that I don't think a native speaker would confuse "game art" and "art game" even if they were unfamiliar with the topics. A non-native speaker might. English word-order rules can be tricky to learn. ApLundell ( talk) 22:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.