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The result was delete. The argument that this is a case of WP:BLP1E is persuasive. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:03, 1 October 2019 (UTC) reply

Arman Alif

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who fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. not enough to establish notability Singer, Does not meet criteria of WP:GNG. fails WP:GNG. this singer seems to be too early in the concept phase for any such coverage to exist then it means WP:TOOSOON for this young singer. obviously, this article main issue WP:BLP1E and WP:TOOSOON. It is just due to single event that is 'Oporadhi'. all of source are single event related news. and also fail WP:NMUSIC because he just Nominated on ' Meril Prothom Alo Awards' So, isn't means that he did won something or receive any an award. Even i didn't find any notable album or any duet song with top popular singer in bangladesh. this article should be Delete.-- Nahal ^(T) 12:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- Nahal ^(T) 12:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Nahal ^(T) 12:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. -- Nahal ^(T) 12:49, 24 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep, If you consider him as a musician, the article should be kept. According to second criteria a musician should have a single/album on country's music chart. His song "Oporadhi" is the only and first Bangladeshi song to feature on Global Chart of YouTube. If you consider him in the criteria of any biography, he is notable. His song "Oporadhi" is the only and first Bangladeshi song to feature on YouTube Global Chart. And the news was published by international (Deustche Welle), Indian (Ei Samay, News18) and Bangladeshi (Dhaka Tribune, Prothom Alo, Kaler Kantho) media. The song was so popular that it was covered by crickerers. This song was before Adele and Taylor Swift's song on YouTube Global Chart ([ see this link in English]). A people can get much coverage for single event. If his/her article fulfils notability criteria, he/she will be notable. For example, Dinesh Phadnis, Aditya Srivastava, Dayanand Shetty, Shivaji Satam etc.-- S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 04:15, 25 September 2019 (UTC) reply

— Note to closing admin: S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.

• Alif does not pass WP:MUSICBIO criterion #2 because the Global Chart of YouTube is an unsuitable chart, it is a WP:SINGLENETWORK one. -- Worldbruce ( talk) 03:56, 26 September 2019 (UTC) reply

  There is a point on WP:MUSICBIO that if a person has a single or album on a country's topchart, the person will be notable. How many song he/she sang or how old was he/she, it doesn't matter at the criteria. There is no WP:TOOSOON possibility at that article as he made historical record. I think all will be agree with me that Oporadhi was the most popular Bangladeshi song in April and May of 2018. There is a point on @ Worldbruce: words. If you see Alexa Ranking of Bangladesh YouTube is in the second position and Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Amazon, Yahoo are behind YouTube. Adele and Taylor Swift's song were behind a Bangladeshi song on YouTube Global Chart and the Bangladeshi song isn't the most popular song at that time, I won't believe it (I think anybody won't believe it).

  There are clear references of his historical record. His song is the first Bangladeshi song to feature on YouTube Global Chart. The news was featured on most of the newspapers and tv channels of Bangladesh.-- S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 05:26, 29 September 2019 (UTC) reply

  @ S. M. Nazmus Shakib: The popularity of YouTube is not the point. The reliability of the chart is the point. When the criterion says, "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart", you have to read the linked material to understand what qualifies as an acceptable chart. According to WP:SINGLENETWORK, the YouTube Global Chart doesn't count. Basically it's meaningless. -- Worldbruce ( talk) 05:44, 29 September 2019 (UTC) reply

  @ Worldbruce: Yes, your words are true as YouTube is not only way to listen music. But there is a point on Wikipedia:Notability (music) that a notable singer has to win or been nominated for a major award. Meril Prothom Alo Awards is a major award in the enterteinment arena of Bangladesh. But, according to nominator's words, the article doesn't fill the criteria of Wikipedia:Notability (music) as he didn't win and there are two delete votes as per nom.-- S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 06:15, 29 September 2019 (UTC) reply

  @ S. M. Nazmus Shakib: Being nominated for an award does not make anyone notable.-- Nahal ^(T) 08:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC) reply

  @ NahalAhmed: check criteria no. 8 of Wikipedia:Notability (music) where it was written that a musician who was nominated for a major award or won a major award is notable. Meril Prothom Alo Awards is a major award in the entertainment arena of Bangladesh. He was nominated there as Best Singer (link on the article).-- S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 11:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete. As Per nom, fail Fail WP:TOOSOON and WP:BLP1E. ChotoBhai ( talk) 09:56, 25 September 2019 (UTC) reply

If a singer's single secure its place on national chart, he/she will be notable according to notability guideline of Wikipedia. And the singer has his song. He also made historical record. His song Oporadhi is the first Bangladeshi song to feature on YouTube Global Chart. So, his article also fulfils general notability guideline. And Oporadhi is not a duet song, it is a single by Arman Alif and It is not his only single. So, it should not be deleted.-- S. M. Nazmus Shakib ( talk) 10:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Keep: The basic notability criteria for biography is: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." This biography subject clearly meets this criteria as he has got significant coverage in at least 3 leading mutually independent daily newspapers in Bangladesh. The "Too soon" concept applies when the basic criteria is not clearly met. -- Arman ^{( Talk)} 13:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete or Draft: Basically he is known for his song "Oporadhi", its clear WP:BLP1E. I have no doubt that he has a lot of news coverage in Bangladesh. But for a single song, he is a notable person or pass WP:NMUSIC I do not believe it. Let wait for some time to let him win any music competition or award.-- Shahidul Hasan Roman ( talk) 08:31, 26 September 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete. As Per nom, Fail WP:TOOSOON. -- SalmanZ ( talk) 21:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC) reply

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