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The result was keep. Sandstein 22:35, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Anna Thomson
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Page was prod'ed and restored through WP:REFUND. This person does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. - McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 00:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Keep Known under different names over the length of her CAREER it appears that her roles do bring her in under WP:ENT. IE: Ciné Live, October 1998, Iss. 17, pg. 22, "Femme au bord de la brise de mer", and Celebrity Skin, May 2003, Vol. 25, Iss. 116, pg. 20, by: staff, "Now Showing: Anna Thomsen" Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- and New York Post and France TV Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- AGAINST deletion - my reasons are as follows below.
- I have already posted this on the page of the editor who is determined to ensure that the entry for Anna Thomson stays deleted, and on the Anna Thomson talk page.
- I am posting the same again here in order to set out my initial concerns about the way that the entry for Anna Thomson was deleted in the first place. According to the information on the Wikipedia deletion page for 'Anna Thomson' (which I have copied and pasted here for everyone's convenience) the entry was deleted on the grounds that Anna Thomson is a 'Non-notable minor performer; fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR'.
- The deletion process was 'Proposed deletion (PROD)'. According to the Wikipedia entry for PROD, Proposed deletion (PROD) is a way to suggest an article for uncontroversial deletion. It is a shortcut to the normal deletion review process (AfD), and a fallback for deletion proposals that do not meet the strict criteria for speedy deletion.
- Critically, according to the Wikipedia page, 'PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected'.
- With all due respect, PROD should not have been used in this instance because opposition was to be expected here. This is for the reasons that I outline below:
- 1. The first and most important reason why opposition should have been expected is that, as I write, there are six foreign-language Wikipedia pages for Anna Thomson (born Anna Kluger Levine on 18 September 1953 in New York City) aka Anna Levine, aka Anna Levine Thomson, aka Anna Thomson, aka Anna Thompson, aka Anna Levine Thompson.
- In alphabetical order, the six foreign-language Wikipedia pages for Anna Thomson are in: Czech; Italian; Dutch; French; German, Spanish.
- 2. The second reason why opposition should have been expected is that there is an ' Interview biographie d'Anna Thomson' ('Interview biography of Anna Thomson') on INA at http://www.ina.fr/video/I08260832 Here, on 27 April 2002, Thomson was interviewed by Thierry Ardisson about her role in Bridget (2001).
- 3. The third reason why opposition should have been expected is that there is a Facebook fan page for Anna Thomson at https://www.facebook.com/anna.thomson.fanpage
- 4. The fourth reason why opposition should have been expected is that there is an IMDB page for Anna Thomson under her name of Anna Levine at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0505764/
- 5. The fifth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson, who is 61 years old and still working as an actress, has fifty nine (59) credits to her name on her IMDB page (see above) dating from 1969 to 2012.
- 6. The sixth reason why opposition should have been expected is that, according to her IMDB entry, Anna Thomson 'Gained cult status among French movie experts due to her performance in Sue (1997)'. Sue (1997), was the first film in a 'Trilogy of Loneliness', all set in New York, starring Anna Thomson, directed by Amos Kollek. The second in the trilogy was 'Fiona' (1999). The third in the trilogy was Bridget (2002) (see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_(Film). Also see http://www.planet-interview.de/interviews/amos-kollek/34007/
- 7. The seventh reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson had a substantial role as 'Alexandra "Alex" Arnold' in Jaded (1996). Notable about the English Wikipedia page for Jaded is that out of the eleven actors listed in the Principal Cast, only Anna Levine (Anna Thomson) does not have a current entry.
- 8. The eighth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson starred in 'Fast Food Fast Women' (2000) directed by Amos Kollek, and entered into the 2001 Festival de Cannes (Cannes Film Festival). See:
- 9. The ninth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson starred as herself in 'A Bitter Glory' (2001), a documentary directed by Amos Kollek, produced by Arte France. The film is also known as 'Bitterer Ruhm'. It was filmed in New York and released on 11 December 2001 in France and in Germany.
- 10. The tenth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson had roles in two Clint Eastwood films, the character of 'Audrey' in 'Bird' (1988), and that of 'Delilah Fitzgerald' in 'Unforgiven' (1992). Thomson's role as 'Delilah Fitzgerald' was substantial, and played a key part in the development of the film's remarkable, haunting and unforgettable pathos.
- I have taken some time to put together the ten reasons above in order to make clear to you my concern that this entry should not have been deleted using PROD. In my view, too many Wikipedia administrators are overzealous in their enthusiasm to delete Wikipedia pages on the grounds that the page fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. This is yet one more example of this.
121.222.177.134 (
talk) 01:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- "Against deletion" is more properly shared as "Keep" article. Most of your reasons for keep are valid enough, but the main reason it was deleted through prod is that it lacked use of the many reliable sources, and was the correct step for a biography of a living person. Adding the sources showing WP:ENT and WP:GNG as met and we have a decent keep. Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA 1000 01:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA 1000 01:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Thomson easily meets WP:NACTOR per many significant roles, including leading roles in Fast Food Fast Women, Sue Lost in Manhattan, Angela and Water Drops on Burning Rocks among others. She also meets WP:GNG per (online and offline) sources listed above by Schmidt. Cavarrone 11:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Sandstein 22:35, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
Anna Thomson
- Anna Thomson ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Page was prod'ed and restored through WP:REFUND. This person does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. - McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 00:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. - McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 00:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. - McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 00:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. - McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 00:41, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. - McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 00:42, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. - McMatter ( talk)/( contrib) 00:43, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- WP:BEFORE - Alts:
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Keep Known under different names over the length of her CAREER it appears that her roles do bring her in under WP:ENT. IE: Ciné Live, October 1998, Iss. 17, pg. 22, "Femme au bord de la brise de mer", and Celebrity Skin, May 2003, Vol. 25, Iss. 116, pg. 20, by: staff, "Now Showing: Anna Thomsen" Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- and New York Post and France TV Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- AGAINST deletion - my reasons are as follows below.
- I have already posted this on the page of the editor who is determined to ensure that the entry for Anna Thomson stays deleted, and on the Anna Thomson talk page.
- I am posting the same again here in order to set out my initial concerns about the way that the entry for Anna Thomson was deleted in the first place. According to the information on the Wikipedia deletion page for 'Anna Thomson' (which I have copied and pasted here for everyone's convenience) the entry was deleted on the grounds that Anna Thomson is a 'Non-notable minor performer; fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR'.
- The deletion process was 'Proposed deletion (PROD)'. According to the Wikipedia entry for PROD, Proposed deletion (PROD) is a way to suggest an article for uncontroversial deletion. It is a shortcut to the normal deletion review process (AfD), and a fallback for deletion proposals that do not meet the strict criteria for speedy deletion.
- Critically, according to the Wikipedia page, 'PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected'.
- With all due respect, PROD should not have been used in this instance because opposition was to be expected here. This is for the reasons that I outline below:
- 1. The first and most important reason why opposition should have been expected is that, as I write, there are six foreign-language Wikipedia pages for Anna Thomson (born Anna Kluger Levine on 18 September 1953 in New York City) aka Anna Levine, aka Anna Levine Thomson, aka Anna Thomson, aka Anna Thompson, aka Anna Levine Thompson.
- In alphabetical order, the six foreign-language Wikipedia pages for Anna Thomson are in: Czech; Italian; Dutch; French; German, Spanish.
- 2. The second reason why opposition should have been expected is that there is an ' Interview biographie d'Anna Thomson' ('Interview biography of Anna Thomson') on INA at http://www.ina.fr/video/I08260832 Here, on 27 April 2002, Thomson was interviewed by Thierry Ardisson about her role in Bridget (2001).
- 3. The third reason why opposition should have been expected is that there is a Facebook fan page for Anna Thomson at https://www.facebook.com/anna.thomson.fanpage
- 4. The fourth reason why opposition should have been expected is that there is an IMDB page for Anna Thomson under her name of Anna Levine at http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0505764/
- 5. The fifth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson, who is 61 years old and still working as an actress, has fifty nine (59) credits to her name on her IMDB page (see above) dating from 1969 to 2012.
- 6. The sixth reason why opposition should have been expected is that, according to her IMDB entry, Anna Thomson 'Gained cult status among French movie experts due to her performance in Sue (1997)'. Sue (1997), was the first film in a 'Trilogy of Loneliness', all set in New York, starring Anna Thomson, directed by Amos Kollek. The second in the trilogy was 'Fiona' (1999). The third in the trilogy was Bridget (2002) (see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridget_(Film). Also see http://www.planet-interview.de/interviews/amos-kollek/34007/
- 7. The seventh reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson had a substantial role as 'Alexandra "Alex" Arnold' in Jaded (1996). Notable about the English Wikipedia page for Jaded is that out of the eleven actors listed in the Principal Cast, only Anna Levine (Anna Thomson) does not have a current entry.
- 8. The eighth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson starred in 'Fast Food Fast Women' (2000) directed by Amos Kollek, and entered into the 2001 Festival de Cannes (Cannes Film Festival). See:
- 9. The ninth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson starred as herself in 'A Bitter Glory' (2001), a documentary directed by Amos Kollek, produced by Arte France. The film is also known as 'Bitterer Ruhm'. It was filmed in New York and released on 11 December 2001 in France and in Germany.
- 10. The tenth reason why opposition should have been expected is that Anna Thomson had roles in two Clint Eastwood films, the character of 'Audrey' in 'Bird' (1988), and that of 'Delilah Fitzgerald' in 'Unforgiven' (1992). Thomson's role as 'Delilah Fitzgerald' was substantial, and played a key part in the development of the film's remarkable, haunting and unforgettable pathos.
- I have taken some time to put together the ten reasons above in order to make clear to you my concern that this entry should not have been deleted using PROD. In my view, too many Wikipedia administrators are overzealous in their enthusiasm to delete Wikipedia pages on the grounds that the page fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. This is yet one more example of this.
121.222.177.134 (
talk) 01:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
- "Against deletion" is more properly shared as "Keep" article. Most of your reasons for keep are valid enough, but the main reason it was deleted through prod is that it lacked use of the many reliable sources, and was the correct step for a biography of a living person. Adding the sources showing WP:ENT and WP:GNG as met and we have a decent keep. Schmidt, Michael Q. 01:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA 1000 01:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA 1000 01:26, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Keep Thomson easily meets WP:NACTOR per many significant roles, including leading roles in Fast Food Fast Women, Sue Lost in Manhattan, Angela and Water Drops on Burning Rocks among others. She also meets WP:GNG per (online and offline) sources listed above by Schmidt. Cavarrone 11:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.