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The result was no consensus.
Stifle (
talk) 12:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)reply
No indication of notability, he is one of a number of organists associated with the tabernacle. I could not find any recordings of note that feature him or any specific independent sources except for those closely associated with the church. Fails WP:MUSIC.
Karst (
talk) 16:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - Unsworth actually had a career outside of the LDS Church, both as a University Professor (not at a LDS Church school) and playing for the
Cathedral of the Madeleine (Catholic). He also has been published by, described in publications by, given lectures to, and received recognition from professional organist organizations; some of these have now been included in the article. The only two publications listed on the article that have a "close associat[ion] with the church" (and thereby cannot reasonably be used to establish notability), are the ones with URLs on the respective lds.org & ldschurchnewsarchive.com domains; all of the rest are independent of direct influence by the LDS Church, and are not published by them. —Asterisk*Splat→ 23:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - It seems clear to me that this article passes
WP:GNG or
WP:MUSIC. It has 11 distinctly different
Reliable Sources, meeting the "Significant coverage" requirement, about this person. These sources cover both this musical career and his non-musical time as a Professor. I have no idea who he is, but it seems clear that the Newspapers do. It clearly meets
WP:GNG.---
ARTEST4ECHO(
talk) 15:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This person is a church organist. The references are church newspapers and newsletters announcing functions at which he will play. There is the occasional bit of biographical information. There are no references in mainstream music sources. I cannot find notability here.
LaMona (
talk) 22:08, 12 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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NorthAmerica1000 03:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment - I keep seeing people say "The references are church newspapers and newsletters announcing functions". I see "The Salt Lake Tribune", "The Daily Herald", "Intermountain Catholic", "American Organist Magazine", "Meridian Magazine", "The Tracker", "Watertown Daily Times", "St. George News", and "Wayne & Garfield County INSIDER" listed as references. NONE of these are "LDS church newspapers" owned by the LDS Church. While the Church News is used, it isn't the "Only" one. To make the claim that only "LDS church newspapers" reference him is clearly false. In my opinion, this person has has "Significant coverage" and qualifies under passes
WP:GNG and
WP:MUSIC.---
ARTEST4ECHO(
talk) 20:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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Keep There are enough sources to show notability.
AlbinoFerret 15:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result was no consensus.
Stifle (
talk) 12:10, 31 December 2014 (UTC)reply
No indication of notability, he is one of a number of organists associated with the tabernacle. I could not find any recordings of note that feature him or any specific independent sources except for those closely associated with the church. Fails WP:MUSIC.
Karst (
talk) 16:02, 5 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - Unsworth actually had a career outside of the LDS Church, both as a University Professor (not at a LDS Church school) and playing for the
Cathedral of the Madeleine (Catholic). He also has been published by, described in publications by, given lectures to, and received recognition from professional organist organizations; some of these have now been included in the article. The only two publications listed on the article that have a "close associat[ion] with the church" (and thereby cannot reasonably be used to establish notability), are the ones with URLs on the respective lds.org & ldschurchnewsarchive.com domains; all of the rest are independent of direct influence by the LDS Church, and are not published by them. —Asterisk*Splat→ 23:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep - It seems clear to me that this article passes
WP:GNG or
WP:MUSIC. It has 11 distinctly different
Reliable Sources, meeting the "Significant coverage" requirement, about this person. These sources cover both this musical career and his non-musical time as a Professor. I have no idea who he is, but it seems clear that the Newspapers do. It clearly meets
WP:GNG.---
ARTEST4ECHO(
talk) 15:46, 8 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This person is a church organist. The references are church newspapers and newsletters announcing functions at which he will play. There is the occasional bit of biographical information. There are no references in mainstream music sources. I cannot find notability here.
LaMona (
talk) 22:08, 12 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
NorthAmerica1000 03:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment - I keep seeing people say "The references are church newspapers and newsletters announcing functions". I see "The Salt Lake Tribune", "The Daily Herald", "Intermountain Catholic", "American Organist Magazine", "Meridian Magazine", "The Tracker", "Watertown Daily Times", "St. George News", and "Wayne & Garfield County INSIDER" listed as references. NONE of these are "LDS church newspapers" owned by the LDS Church. While the Church News is used, it isn't the "Only" one. To make the claim that only "LDS church newspapers" reference him is clearly false. In my opinion, this person has has "Significant coverage" and qualifies under passes
WP:GNG and
WP:MUSIC.---
ARTEST4ECHO(
talk) 20:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr.Z-man 17:23, 23 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep There are enough sources to show notability.
AlbinoFerret 15:57, 24 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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