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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 16:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Allison Ponthier
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non-notable singer. scope_creep Talk 22:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep WP:BASIC and WP:MUSICBIO#1 appear supported e.g. The Guardian 2021, Dallas Observer, 2021, Vogue 2021, NPR Music, 2021, Billboard 2021, American Songwriter 2021, Paste 2021, NewNowNext, 2021, Them, 2021. Beccaynr ( talk) 22:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
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22:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent work, Beccaynr. Maybe you can update the article? scope_creep Talk 09:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccanyr. Rab V ( talk) 15:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccaynr. Also, the nominator should be more thorough in doing WP:BEFORE before nominating articles for deletion. ExRat ( talk) 15:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
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ExRat: The subject is a one hit wonder, with no coverage, no reviews of her music. The coverage that is there, is due to a viral hit, that is all. There is no coverage apart from that and because musicbio, cng are so degraded in terms of what is acceptable now, it is unlikey that the article would have been deleted. It is unfortunate we are becoming a listing service, a directory for crap. 10 year ago it would have needed some reviews of the work and some history of excellece over a sustained period. Now, because they are mentioned in a few place, they are not notable. She is not notable, but the article can't be deleted. Wikipedia is becoming a version of Everything 2. The founders knew this would happen and were aware of this effect over the long term.
scope_creep
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20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- The article when nominated for deletion presented Ponthier as if her only claim to notability was based on her work with Lord Huron, essentially a variation of the classic WP:NOTBYRELATION issue that from my view, could reasonably support an AfD discussion. I am working on expanding the article, and it appears she has a body of work that has been independently reported on, along with biographical information that supports a standalone article. Beccaynr ( talk) 21:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
ExRat: The subject is a one hit wonder, with no coverage, no reviews of her music. The coverage that is there, is due to a viral hit, that is all. There is no coverage apart from that and because musicbio, cng are so degraded in terms of what is acceptable now, it is unlikey that the article would have been deleted. It is unfortunate we are becoming a listing service, a directory for crap. 10 year ago it would have needed some reviews of the work and some history of excellece over a sustained period. Now, because they are mentioned in a few place, they are not notable. She is not notable, but the article can't be deleted. Wikipedia is becoming a version of Everything 2. The founders knew this would happen and were aware of this effect over the long term.
scope_creep
Talk
20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep after WP:HEY by Beccaynr. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 05:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep after WP:HEY by Beccaynr. Definitely meets GNG. -- Kbabej ( talk) 22:59, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccaynr. The Ann Powers review alone indicates notability -- the additional coverage confirms it. JSFarman ( talk) 16:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Successfully WP:HEYed. BilledMammal ( talk) 01:22, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Geschichte ( talk) 16:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
Allison Ponthier
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non-notable singer. scope_creep Talk 22:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 23:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep WP:BASIC and WP:MUSICBIO#1 appear supported e.g. The Guardian 2021, Dallas Observer, 2021, Vogue 2021, NPR Music, 2021, Billboard 2021, American Songwriter 2021, Paste 2021, NewNowNext, 2021, Them, 2021. Beccaynr ( talk) 22:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.
Beccaynr (
talk)
22:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent work, Beccaynr. Maybe you can update the article? scope_creep Talk 09:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccanyr. Rab V ( talk) 15:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccaynr. Also, the nominator should be more thorough in doing WP:BEFORE before nominating articles for deletion. ExRat ( talk) 15:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
ExRat: The subject is a one hit wonder, with no coverage, no reviews of her music. The coverage that is there, is due to a viral hit, that is all. There is no coverage apart from that and because musicbio, cng are so degraded in terms of what is acceptable now, it is unlikey that the article would have been deleted. It is unfortunate we are becoming a listing service, a directory for crap. 10 year ago it would have needed some reviews of the work and some history of excellece over a sustained period. Now, because they are mentioned in a few place, they are not notable. She is not notable, but the article can't be deleted. Wikipedia is becoming a version of Everything 2. The founders knew this would happen and were aware of this effect over the long term.
scope_creep
Talk
20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- The article when nominated for deletion presented Ponthier as if her only claim to notability was based on her work with Lord Huron, essentially a variation of the classic WP:NOTBYRELATION issue that from my view, could reasonably support an AfD discussion. I am working on expanding the article, and it appears she has a body of work that has been independently reported on, along with biographical information that supports a standalone article. Beccaynr ( talk) 21:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
ExRat: The subject is a one hit wonder, with no coverage, no reviews of her music. The coverage that is there, is due to a viral hit, that is all. There is no coverage apart from that and because musicbio, cng are so degraded in terms of what is acceptable now, it is unlikey that the article would have been deleted. It is unfortunate we are becoming a listing service, a directory for crap. 10 year ago it would have needed some reviews of the work and some history of excellece over a sustained period. Now, because they are mentioned in a few place, they are not notable. She is not notable, but the article can't be deleted. Wikipedia is becoming a version of Everything 2. The founders knew this would happen and were aware of this effect over the long term.
scope_creep
Talk
20:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep after WP:HEY by Beccaynr. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 05:37, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep after WP:HEY by Beccaynr. Definitely meets GNG. -- Kbabej ( talk) 22:59, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Beccaynr. The Ann Powers review alone indicates notability -- the additional coverage confirms it. JSFarman ( talk) 16:58, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Successfully WP:HEYed. BilledMammal ( talk) 01:22, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.