The result was delete. The "delete" opinions are more persuasive, as they address the quality and depth of coverage of the available sources in detail. The "keep" opinions are mostly about how important the person or his company is, or they mention a variety of sources, without demonstrating that they satisfy WP:N's requirements of substantial coverage in reliable sources. Sandstein 07:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Tagged for 3 years for notability, this reads like a family history project, fails WP:GNG. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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you should always let other editors know about it, whenever and wherever you discuss the topic.. Re: “outing”, Greg chose to out himself years ago when he used his own family genealogy website extensively as a source on numerous articles, and also published his family tree on scores of categories on Commons. I’d also like to clarify that I am neither a punishment-oriented person nor do I have some sort of “obsessive” disorder, which, quite frankly, sounds like an attack on my character and/or mental health. Please don't do that again. Re: the walled garden, over the years numerous other editors have noticed this. I’ll strike my question as to the number of family articles, as that information can be found in contributions and talk pages. I would appreciate it if you strike your veiled PA. Netherzone ( talk) 22:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Source assessment table:
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Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2225626#page/1/mode/2up | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-angelina-obit/70749696/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50461130/?terms=Henderson-Brown | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-in-paris/70739916/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Suffern/eCBKlORV4sgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Alexander+Dawson+Henderson%22&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://web.archive.org/web/20080907062509/http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/ | ? 404 - unverifiable, page does not load | ? unknown, unverifiable | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://web.archive.org/web/20080907062509/http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_of_Cases_Heard_and_Determined_in/G3ALAAAAYAAJ?hl=en | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.hagley.org/research/digital-exhibits/avon-historical-archive-hagley-library | ![]() |
? self-published | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Trow_formerly_Wilson_s_Copartnership/7cYpAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Alexander+D.+Henderson&pg=PA26&printsec=frontcover | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2226135#page/1/mode/2up | ![]() |
? | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Drug_and_Chemical_Markets/qoohAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 | ? Business listing for Drug & Chemical Markets | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_American_Perfumer_and_Essential_Oil/fvY1AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 | ? Trade Journal published by the Robbins Perfume Company | ? trade journal listing | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Operation_Maintenance/Y1IgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Henderson | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2244354 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://search.worldcat.org/title/55166512 | ? Seems to be a self-published document of "Mary's Family Connections" | ![]() |
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✘ No |
Suffern Independent Sold to Corporation | ? probably, since it seems to be a newspaper | ? unverifiable | ? no url link available, unverifiable source | ? Unknown |
https://www.newspapers.com/image/59866540/?article=3814624c-684f-4645-8aa2-2b5bb083ff36 | ![]() |
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✘ No |
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-obituary-for-al/70743913/ | ![]() |
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✘ No |
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. |
Alexander Henderson, the chemist who produced the perfume vials for David McConnell, invested a modest sum to get the venture going.That sentence is later paraphrased/duplicated by the same author (in the NYT) stating
Except at the outset when Alexander Henderson invested a modest sum to get Founder McConnell started. Are either the book or the NYT article about Henderson?....no they are not. Does this sentence compare to the sentence "First man on the moon"? No. And to propose they do is like comparing apples to the Apollo 11, or like comparing Alexander D. Henderson to Buzz Aldrin. I'm not seeing a link to the third source you brought, but would like to read what it says if you have a moment to post that here. Netherzone ( talk) 22:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
(FWIW, Buzz was the second person on the Moon.)Egzaktly! And Henderson was not the founder of Avon. He's been described as a chemist and a modest donor in these sources. Forgive my obtuse metaphor. Netherzone ( talk) 02:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional comments on the quality and comprehensiveness of the available source material would be very helpful. "Is a..." are, well, not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
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Talk to me
05:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Except at the outset when Alexander Henderson invested a modest sum to get Founder McConnell started.... The "At the Top" source contains one sentence (by the same author) which states
Alexander Henderson, the chemist who produced the perfume vials for David McConnel, invested a modest sum to get the venture going.It duplicates the same content, with slightly different wording. And "Ding! Dong!" page 258 mentions that his son took over from this Henderson (I'm seeing a snippet-view.) None of this is significant coverage; the latter two are books but each only seems to contain one sentence on Henderson. Netherzone ( talk) 20:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
The result was delete. The "delete" opinions are more persuasive, as they address the quality and depth of coverage of the available sources in detail. The "keep" opinions are mostly about how important the person or his company is, or they mention a variety of sources, without demonstrating that they satisfy WP:N's requirements of substantial coverage in reliable sources. Sandstein 07:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Tagged for 3 years for notability, this reads like a family history project, fails WP:GNG. Theroadislong ( talk) 08:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
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you should always let other editors know about it, whenever and wherever you discuss the topic.. Re: “outing”, Greg chose to out himself years ago when he used his own family genealogy website extensively as a source on numerous articles, and also published his family tree on scores of categories on Commons. I’d also like to clarify that I am neither a punishment-oriented person nor do I have some sort of “obsessive” disorder, which, quite frankly, sounds like an attack on my character and/or mental health. Please don't do that again. Re: the walled garden, over the years numerous other editors have noticed this. I’ll strike my question as to the number of family articles, as that information can be found in contributions and talk pages. I would appreciate it if you strike your veiled PA. Netherzone ( talk) 22:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Source assessment table:
| ||||
Source | Independent? | Reliable? | Significant coverage? | Count source toward GNG? |
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https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2225626#page/1/mode/2up | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-angelina-obit/70749696/ | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://bklyn.newspapers.com/image/50461130/?terms=Henderson-Brown | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-in-paris/70739916/ | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Suffern/eCBKlORV4sgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Alexander+Dawson+Henderson%22&pg=PA80&printsec=frontcover | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://web.archive.org/web/20080907062509/http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/ | ? 404 - unverifiable, page does not load | ? unknown, unverifiable | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://web.archive.org/web/20080907062509/http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/ | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Reports_of_Cases_Heard_and_Determined_in/G3ALAAAAYAAJ?hl=en | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.hagley.org/research/digital-exhibits/avon-historical-archive-hagley-library | ![]() |
? self-published | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Trow_formerly_Wilson_s_Copartnership/7cYpAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Alexander+D.+Henderson&pg=PA26&printsec=frontcover | ![]() |
![]() |
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✘ No |
https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2226135#page/1/mode/2up | ![]() |
? | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Drug_and_Chemical_Markets/qoohAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 | ? Business listing for Drug & Chemical Markets | ![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_American_Perfumer_and_Essential_Oil/fvY1AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 | ? Trade Journal published by the Robbins Perfume Company | ? trade journal listing | ![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Operation_Maintenance/Y1IgAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Henderson | ![]() |
![]() |
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✘ No |
https://digital.hagley.org/islandora/object/islandora:2244354 | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://search.worldcat.org/title/55166512 | ? Seems to be a self-published document of "Mary's Family Connections" | ![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
Suffern Independent Sold to Corporation | ? probably, since it seems to be a newspaper | ? unverifiable | ? no url link available, unverifiable source | ? Unknown |
https://www.newspapers.com/image/59866540/?article=3814624c-684f-4645-8aa2-2b5bb083ff36 | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-brooklyn-daily-eagle-obituary-for-al/70743913/ | ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
✘ No |
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{ source assess table}}. |
Alexander Henderson, the chemist who produced the perfume vials for David McConnell, invested a modest sum to get the venture going.That sentence is later paraphrased/duplicated by the same author (in the NYT) stating
Except at the outset when Alexander Henderson invested a modest sum to get Founder McConnell started. Are either the book or the NYT article about Henderson?....no they are not. Does this sentence compare to the sentence "First man on the moon"? No. And to propose they do is like comparing apples to the Apollo 11, or like comparing Alexander D. Henderson to Buzz Aldrin. I'm not seeing a link to the third source you brought, but would like to read what it says if you have a moment to post that here. Netherzone ( talk) 22:05, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
(FWIW, Buzz was the second person on the Moon.)Egzaktly! And Henderson was not the founder of Avon. He's been described as a chemist and a modest donor in these sources. Forgive my obtuse metaphor. Netherzone ( talk) 02:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Additional comments on the quality and comprehensiveness of the available source material would be very helpful. "Is a..." are, well, not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Seraphimblade
Talk to me
05:24, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Except at the outset when Alexander Henderson invested a modest sum to get Founder McConnell started.... The "At the Top" source contains one sentence (by the same author) which states
Alexander Henderson, the chemist who produced the perfume vials for David McConnel, invested a modest sum to get the venture going.It duplicates the same content, with slightly different wording. And "Ding! Dong!" page 258 mentions that his son took over from this Henderson (I'm seeing a snippet-view.) None of this is significant coverage; the latter two are books but each only seems to contain one sentence on Henderson. Netherzone ( talk) 20:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)