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The result was delete. Hey man im josh ( talk) 18:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Adil Raja
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The first ref cites the subject’s Wikipedia page, the second and third are about his brief arrest and release. I couldn’t find any better sources so the subject seems not to be notable. Mccapra ( talk) 14:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politics, Internet, and Pakistan. Mccapra ( talk) 14:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree with this. Firstly, you deleted the previous info that was edited. Now you're saying that you're gonna delete this because the it's not notable? He is very popular. He has 1.3 Million followers on Twitter. He's a very trendy person but I don't get why you're doing all this. Please stop this and let people actually make some edits on this page. Thank you. TIRRIT3123 ( talk) 09:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Here are reason I believe you shouldn't delete this:
- - Adil Raja is a famous journalist
- - Adil Raja was the Spokesperson of the Pakistan Ex Servicemen Society
- - Adil Raja is a famous whistle blower
- - Adil Raja has almost half a million followers on Twitter
- - He gets millions of views per month on his tweets
- - Adil Raja's YouTube channel was the fastest growing journalist channel but for some reasons, they illegally banned it TIRRIT3123 ( talk) 09:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- There is a lot of other information about him that's not included in this page. Maybe if you allow people to add that info, you won't say "seems not to be notable".
TIRRIT3123 (
talk)
09:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ TIRRIT3123: Thanks can you please show reliable independent sources discussing the subject in depth? Mccapra ( talk) 10:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- You can buy followers on Twitter, so that doesn't help notability, as you can views on Youtube. Spokesman for the Society is a PR job, which doesn't add to notability. If you can provide articles about his work as a journalist, not stuff he's written, we'd look at that. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Seconding
Mccapra's request for sources. Even for "famous-X" we need citations. I did a quick search in UK newspapers and did not find anything about him being detained (not arrested) in the UK. From the news articles in the wiki page this does not seem to be more than a single incident of not great import. Barring sources that would support his fame, it has to be delete per WP policy. I'll cycle back to see if anything changes.
Lamona (
talk)
04:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree. There are a ton of different articles on him. Please search "Adil Raja" on Google, then go to news. There are dozens of articles on him. Even by the most popular news companies in Pakistan. There is more relevant information which is missing but you didn't add. Especially about his illegal court martial. The official Pakistan Army Public Relations website released information about that but it's not added. So I think your opinion on him not being important is totally wrong. So, whoever nominated this page for deletion, please undo that. If you have any more questions or counter arguments, please share them. I'll make sure to reply Thank you. WarriorYt43 ( talk) 15:08, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- If there are a ton of them, please show links here to the three best pieces of in-depth coverage from reliable independent sources. Thanks
Mccapra (
talk)
16:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Here you go
- www.dawn.com/news/amp/1792427
- https://www.tribune.com.pk/story/2423051/fia-to-bring-back-adil-raja-other-miscreants-sitting-abroad%3famp=1
- https://pakobserver.net/pakistan-armys-former-officers-adil-raja-haider-mehdi-convicted-over-espionage/
- www.thenews.com.pk/amp/1091959-adil-raja-admits-to-defaming-serving-officer-in-uk-court 2601:282:1F32:681E:4485:E5DF:7AEA:C1DA ( talk) 16:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- If there are a ton of them, please show links here to the three best pieces of in-depth coverage from reliable independent sources. Thanks
Mccapra (
talk)
16:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing.
- Source eval:
Comments Source Fails RS, disclaimer on page states, "Disclaimer: This information has been collected from Google. If you would like to add or remove any information from this page, please contact us" 1. Sumiya (5 May 2023). "Major Adil Raja Wikipedia, Age, Wife, Family, & Biography". Mag Pakistan. Retrieved 15 October 2023. Article about interaction with law enforcement 2. ^ "Adil Raja 'arrested' in London; Sabir, Moeed booked for sedition". The Express Tribune. 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-10-15. Article about interaction with law enforcement 3. ^ "Youtuber Major (r) Adil Raja released after detained by British police". Daily Pakistan Global. 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-10-15.
- Keep votes provided nothing to evaluate. If someone finds
WP:THREE sources that meet
WP:IS and
WP:RS and have
WP:SIGCOV which requires direct and indepth coverage of the subject, ping me. Please don't list a dozen sources, the three best sources will do to demonstrate notability. //
Timothy ::
talk
06:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Pakistan Army's Official Website's own press release: https://ispr.gov.pk/press-release-detail?id=6679
-
https://www.dawn.com/news/1792427
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
07:20, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- https://tribune.com.pk/story/2421712/adil-raja-arrested-in-london-sabir-moeed-booked-on-sedition-charges
- https://www.nation.com.pk/13-Nov-2023/civil-society-protest-outside-quetta-press-club-against-adil-raja
- https://arynews.tv/ex-army-officers-convicted-over-espionage/
- https://www.geo.tv/latest/520383-pak-army-sentences-2-retired-officers-for-inciting-sedition WarriorYt43 ( talk) 07:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- I listed half a dozen. These are from the most official news sources in Pakistan, including the Pakistan Army's own press release site.
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
07:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- A whole lot of not much it seems, basically rehashing the same press release.
Oaktree b (
talk)
16:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Please do me a favor and search up Adil Raja on Google, and go to the news section. You'll see dozens of articles. Thank you WarriorYt43 ( talk) 08:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- A whole lot of not much it seems, basically rehashing the same press release.
Oaktree b (
talk)
16:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: TimothyBlue, your view of the proposed sources?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable youtuber
[1], arrested for reporting. Most "evidence" seems to be faked, does not appear notable outside of having been arrested with a host of others.
Oaktree b (
talk)
16:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Non-notable YouTuber?? His channel was one of the fastest growing channels amongst the journalist community in Pakistan. He gained 650K subscribers after half a year of starting his channel. Then it was obviously banned because of mass reports. Now YouTube doesn't even reply to tweets related to his issue. Why is that? Why are they trying to silence him? I really hope Wikipedia doesn't delete this and be an addition to this censorship
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
08:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, wikipedia non-notability, due to a lack of sources. I have no idea why YouTube is trying to silence him, perhaps ask them.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- They silenced him because he tells the truth. The Pakistani Establishment is trying to silence him.
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
16:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but that has no bearing on the discussion here. Thank you Oaktree b ( talk) 16:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- They silenced him because he tells the truth. The Pakistani Establishment is trying to silence him.
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
16:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, wikipedia non-notability, due to a lack of sources. I have no idea why YouTube is trying to silence him, perhaps ask them.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Non-notable YouTuber?? His channel was one of the fastest growing channels amongst the journalist community in Pakistan. He gained 650K subscribers after half a year of starting his channel. Then it was obviously banned because of mass reports. Now YouTube doesn't even reply to tweets related to his issue. Why is that? Why are they trying to silence him? I really hope Wikipedia doesn't delete this and be an addition to this censorship
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
08:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Notability is not clearly established. Fails independent verifiability too. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 17:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. WP:TOOSOON. HistoriesUnveiler ( talk) 17:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Currently, nothing notable regarding the individual except his conviction on espionage charges, and some other minor run-ins with law enforcement. Needs more coverage in the press to meet WP:GNG and even, WP:JOURNALIST. Article has potential to be recreated as I believe it is WP:TOOSOON. Wiki.0hlic (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Hey man im josh ( talk) 18:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Adil Raja
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The first ref cites the subject’s Wikipedia page, the second and third are about his brief arrest and release. I couldn’t find any better sources so the subject seems not to be notable. Mccapra ( talk) 14:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politics, Internet, and Pakistan. Mccapra ( talk) 14:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree with this. Firstly, you deleted the previous info that was edited. Now you're saying that you're gonna delete this because the it's not notable? He is very popular. He has 1.3 Million followers on Twitter. He's a very trendy person but I don't get why you're doing all this. Please stop this and let people actually make some edits on this page. Thank you. TIRRIT3123 ( talk) 09:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Here are reason I believe you shouldn't delete this:
- - Adil Raja is a famous journalist
- - Adil Raja was the Spokesperson of the Pakistan Ex Servicemen Society
- - Adil Raja is a famous whistle blower
- - Adil Raja has almost half a million followers on Twitter
- - He gets millions of views per month on his tweets
- - Adil Raja's YouTube channel was the fastest growing journalist channel but for some reasons, they illegally banned it TIRRIT3123 ( talk) 09:29, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- There is a lot of other information about him that's not included in this page. Maybe if you allow people to add that info, you won't say "seems not to be notable".
TIRRIT3123 (
talk)
09:33, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- @ TIRRIT3123: Thanks can you please show reliable independent sources discussing the subject in depth? Mccapra ( talk) 10:04, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- You can buy followers on Twitter, so that doesn't help notability, as you can views on Youtube. Spokesman for the Society is a PR job, which doesn't add to notability. If you can provide articles about his work as a journalist, not stuff he's written, we'd look at that. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Seconding
Mccapra's request for sources. Even for "famous-X" we need citations. I did a quick search in UK newspapers and did not find anything about him being detained (not arrested) in the UK. From the news articles in the wiki page this does not seem to be more than a single incident of not great import. Barring sources that would support his fame, it has to be delete per WP policy. I'll cycle back to see if anything changes.
Lamona (
talk)
04:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- I totally disagree. There are a ton of different articles on him. Please search "Adil Raja" on Google, then go to news. There are dozens of articles on him. Even by the most popular news companies in Pakistan. There is more relevant information which is missing but you didn't add. Especially about his illegal court martial. The official Pakistan Army Public Relations website released information about that but it's not added. So I think your opinion on him not being important is totally wrong. So, whoever nominated this page for deletion, please undo that. If you have any more questions or counter arguments, please share them. I'll make sure to reply Thank you. WarriorYt43 ( talk) 15:08, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- If there are a ton of them, please show links here to the three best pieces of in-depth coverage from reliable independent sources. Thanks
Mccapra (
talk)
16:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Here you go
- www.dawn.com/news/amp/1792427
- https://www.tribune.com.pk/story/2423051/fia-to-bring-back-adil-raja-other-miscreants-sitting-abroad%3famp=1
- https://pakobserver.net/pakistan-armys-former-officers-adil-raja-haider-mehdi-convicted-over-espionage/
- www.thenews.com.pk/amp/1091959-adil-raja-admits-to-defaming-serving-officer-in-uk-court 2601:282:1F32:681E:4485:E5DF:7AEA:C1DA ( talk) 16:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- If there are a ton of them, please show links here to the three best pieces of in-depth coverage from reliable independent sources. Thanks
Mccapra (
talk)
16:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing.
- Source eval:
Comments Source Fails RS, disclaimer on page states, "Disclaimer: This information has been collected from Google. If you would like to add or remove any information from this page, please contact us" 1. Sumiya (5 May 2023). "Major Adil Raja Wikipedia, Age, Wife, Family, & Biography". Mag Pakistan. Retrieved 15 October 2023. Article about interaction with law enforcement 2. ^ "Adil Raja 'arrested' in London; Sabir, Moeed booked for sedition". The Express Tribune. 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-10-15. Article about interaction with law enforcement 3. ^ "Youtuber Major (r) Adil Raja released after detained by British police". Daily Pakistan Global. 2023-06-14. Retrieved 2023-10-15.
- Keep votes provided nothing to evaluate. If someone finds
WP:THREE sources that meet
WP:IS and
WP:RS and have
WP:SIGCOV which requires direct and indepth coverage of the subject, ping me. Please don't list a dozen sources, the three best sources will do to demonstrate notability. //
Timothy ::
talk
06:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Pakistan Army's Official Website's own press release: https://ispr.gov.pk/press-release-detail?id=6679
-
https://www.dawn.com/news/1792427
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
07:20, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- https://tribune.com.pk/story/2421712/adil-raja-arrested-in-london-sabir-moeed-booked-on-sedition-charges
- https://www.nation.com.pk/13-Nov-2023/civil-society-protest-outside-quetta-press-club-against-adil-raja
- https://arynews.tv/ex-army-officers-convicted-over-espionage/
- https://www.geo.tv/latest/520383-pak-army-sentences-2-retired-officers-for-inciting-sedition WarriorYt43 ( talk) 07:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- I listed half a dozen. These are from the most official news sources in Pakistan, including the Pakistan Army's own press release site.
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
07:22, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- A whole lot of not much it seems, basically rehashing the same press release.
Oaktree b (
talk)
16:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Please do me a favor and search up Adil Raja on Google, and go to the news section. You'll see dozens of articles. Thank you WarriorYt43 ( talk) 08:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- A whole lot of not much it seems, basically rehashing the same press release.
Oaktree b (
talk)
16:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: TimothyBlue, your view of the proposed sources?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 15:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable youtuber
[1], arrested for reporting. Most "evidence" seems to be faked, does not appear notable outside of having been arrested with a host of others.
Oaktree b (
talk)
16:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Non-notable YouTuber?? His channel was one of the fastest growing channels amongst the journalist community in Pakistan. He gained 650K subscribers after half a year of starting his channel. Then it was obviously banned because of mass reports. Now YouTube doesn't even reply to tweets related to his issue. Why is that? Why are they trying to silence him? I really hope Wikipedia doesn't delete this and be an addition to this censorship
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
08:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, wikipedia non-notability, due to a lack of sources. I have no idea why YouTube is trying to silence him, perhaps ask them.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- They silenced him because he tells the truth. The Pakistani Establishment is trying to silence him.
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
16:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but that has no bearing on the discussion here. Thank you Oaktree b ( talk) 16:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- They silenced him because he tells the truth. The Pakistani Establishment is trying to silence him.
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
16:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, wikipedia non-notability, due to a lack of sources. I have no idea why YouTube is trying to silence him, perhaps ask them.
Oaktree b (
talk)
15:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Non-notable YouTuber?? His channel was one of the fastest growing channels amongst the journalist community in Pakistan. He gained 650K subscribers after half a year of starting his channel. Then it was obviously banned because of mass reports. Now YouTube doesn't even reply to tweets related to his issue. Why is that? Why are they trying to silence him? I really hope Wikipedia doesn't delete this and be an addition to this censorship
WarriorYt43 (
talk)
08:16, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Notability is not clearly established. Fails independent verifiability too. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 17:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. WP:TOOSOON. HistoriesUnveiler ( talk) 17:24, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Currently, nothing notable regarding the individual except his conviction on espionage charges, and some other minor run-ins with law enforcement. Needs more coverage in the press to meet WP:GNG and even, WP:JOURNALIST. Article has potential to be recreated as I believe it is WP:TOOSOON. Wiki.0hlic (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.