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The result was merge to Nebraska Wesleyan University. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Abel Stadium
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Generic campus athletic field does not show notability with substantive independent sources. Virtually every high school, junior high school, college, and in this case university with 2,000 students playing in Division III has a field where they play football. Automatic notability for stadiums does not exist, as implied by deprodder. Reywas92 Talk 01:56, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Paul McDonald ( talk) 02:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- comment I did not imply that "automatic nomination" exists. At
Talk:Abel Stadium please read that I provided a reason to de-prod as "established locations such as college football stadiums are widely considered notable. The article is a stub, but stubs are valid articles. Will add more sources and the article could be better, but PROD is not cleanup." And a reason does not have to be provided at all to de-prod.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 03:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- "established locations such as college football stadiums are widely considered notable" has no basis in any notability guideline and is clearly a suggestion of automatic notability. What is widely considered notable is places with multiple independent sources of significant coverage, which are not present.
- Keep Article is a stub, stubs are good. Meets
WP:BASIC. WP:NOTBIGENOUGH is specifically listed as an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. Please do not confuse stub status with non-notability.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 03:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)- This is not a statement based in any guideline and will be disregarded by any competent administrator. The issue is not that it is a stub, the issue is that there are zero independent significant sources. BASIC is the people guideline and irrelevant here.
Reywas92
Talk 03:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator is correct that I improperly applied
WP:BASIC to a location and it should be retracted. I apologize for mis-applying the shortcut, I should have used
WP:NBUILD. I'm starting to lose focus since it's late at night and the nominator has hit five seperate historic college football articles that I either originated or helped originate with AFDs.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 04:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but are you now saying this passes NBUILD. If so, perhaps you could show us the "significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources" to support that claim. I'm certainly not finding any - the article found by Cbl62 (below) comes closest, but it's nowhere near enough. wjemather please leave a message... 09:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator is correct that I improperly applied
WP:BASIC to a location and it should be retracted. I apologize for mis-applying the shortcut, I should have used
WP:NBUILD. I'm starting to lose focus since it's late at night and the nominator has hit five seperate historic college football articles that I either originated or helped originate with AFDs.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 04:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- This is not a statement based in any guideline and will be disregarded by any competent administrator. The issue is not that it is a stub, the issue is that there are zero independent significant sources. BASIC is the people guideline and irrelevant here.
Reywas92
Talk 03:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nebraska-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. This is the football stadium for Nebraska Wesleyan, an NCAA Division III program. There is no presumption of notability (see Wikipedia talk:Notability#Sports venues) and thus Abel Stadium would need to satisfy WP:GNG. My searches did turn up some WP:SIGCOV in the Lincoln Journal Star. See, e.g., this and maybe this. Cbl62 ( talk) 05:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Nebraska Wesleyan University, per WP:ATD. There is entirely insufficient content to justify a standalone article. Also fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage – only the first of the two sources listed by Cbl62 (above) has sigcov, giing us a bit of history, but it's fairly light on details and on its own is not enough; the second source says almost nothing about the facility. Other than that, all I'm seeing are further standard passing mentions that you would expect for any WP:MILL sports facility. wjemather please leave a message... 09:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Sandstein 08:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge "stubs are good", but there's nowhere near the sourcing required to maintain this article, at any length. A merge to Nebraska Wesleyan makes complete sense as it's a piece of the school.
Star
Mississippi 03:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge, I don't see any evidence of this field being notable enough on its own. The article has no substantive info and little chance of expansion, so would be better merged with its parent school. JonnyDKeen ( talk) 14:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into parent article, per above. Not independently notable. Nigej ( talk) 07:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Nebraska Wesleyan University. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
Abel Stadium
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- Abel Stadium ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Generic campus athletic field does not show notability with substantive independent sources. Virtually every high school, junior high school, college, and in this case university with 2,000 students playing in Division III has a field where they play football. Automatic notability for stadiums does not exist, as implied by deprodder. Reywas92 Talk 01:56, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Paul McDonald ( talk) 02:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- comment I did not imply that "automatic nomination" exists. At
Talk:Abel Stadium please read that I provided a reason to de-prod as "established locations such as college football stadiums are widely considered notable. The article is a stub, but stubs are valid articles. Will add more sources and the article could be better, but PROD is not cleanup." And a reason does not have to be provided at all to de-prod.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 03:41, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- "established locations such as college football stadiums are widely considered notable" has no basis in any notability guideline and is clearly a suggestion of automatic notability. What is widely considered notable is places with multiple independent sources of significant coverage, which are not present.
- Keep Article is a stub, stubs are good. Meets
WP:BASIC. WP:NOTBIGENOUGH is specifically listed as an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. Please do not confuse stub status with non-notability.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 03:46, 7 December 2021 (UTC)- This is not a statement based in any guideline and will be disregarded by any competent administrator. The issue is not that it is a stub, the issue is that there are zero independent significant sources. BASIC is the people guideline and irrelevant here.
Reywas92
Talk 03:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator is correct that I improperly applied
WP:BASIC to a location and it should be retracted. I apologize for mis-applying the shortcut, I should have used
WP:NBUILD. I'm starting to lose focus since it's late at night and the nominator has hit five seperate historic college football articles that I either originated or helped originate with AFDs.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 04:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but are you now saying this passes NBUILD. If so, perhaps you could show us the "significant in-depth coverage by reliable, third-party sources" to support that claim. I'm certainly not finding any - the article found by Cbl62 (below) comes closest, but it's nowhere near enough. wjemather please leave a message... 09:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator is correct that I improperly applied
WP:BASIC to a location and it should be retracted. I apologize for mis-applying the shortcut, I should have used
WP:NBUILD. I'm starting to lose focus since it's late at night and the nominator has hit five seperate historic college football articles that I either originated or helped originate with AFDs.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 04:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- This is not a statement based in any guideline and will be disregarded by any competent administrator. The issue is not that it is a stub, the issue is that there are zero independent significant sources. BASIC is the people guideline and irrelevant here.
Reywas92
Talk 03:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nebraska-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:14, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:15, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. This is the football stadium for Nebraska Wesleyan, an NCAA Division III program. There is no presumption of notability (see Wikipedia talk:Notability#Sports venues) and thus Abel Stadium would need to satisfy WP:GNG. My searches did turn up some WP:SIGCOV in the Lincoln Journal Star. See, e.g., this and maybe this. Cbl62 ( talk) 05:17, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Nebraska Wesleyan University, per WP:ATD. There is entirely insufficient content to justify a standalone article. Also fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage – only the first of the two sources listed by Cbl62 (above) has sigcov, giing us a bit of history, but it's fairly light on details and on its own is not enough; the second source says almost nothing about the facility. Other than that, all I'm seeing are further standard passing mentions that you would expect for any WP:MILL sports facility. wjemather please leave a message... 09:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Sandstein 08:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge "stubs are good", but there's nowhere near the sourcing required to maintain this article, at any length. A merge to Nebraska Wesleyan makes complete sense as it's a piece of the school.
Star
Mississippi 03:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge, I don't see any evidence of this field being notable enough on its own. The article has no substantive info and little chance of expansion, so would be better merged with its parent school. JonnyDKeen ( talk) 14:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge into parent article, per above. Not independently notable. Nigej ( talk) 07:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.