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The result was Draftify pending debut and publication of significant coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
ARTMS
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WP:TOOSOON and failed WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, and WP:NBAND criteria showing lack of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject other than passing mention from Loona/ Odd Eye Circle/'s related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle from WP:BEFORE on Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English) on sources that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR and also not marked red on WP:RSPSS. In addition, BEFORE also shows that none of the group's releases (1 single album with 2 tracks; released in December 2023) has charted on Circle Digital Chart and/or Circle Album Chart, both of which are the national chart of South Korea, nor any WP:GOODCHARTS outside of South Korea. — Paper9oll ( 🔔 • 📝) 17:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Korea. — Paper9oll ( 🔔 • 📝) 17:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- While I do understand Paper9oll concerns, I just do not agree. It is true that it's a new group with not much sales impact (yet), but culturally (and media covered) they are relevant in the Korean music scene. Multiple publications in both English and Korean languages proves it. It's just not a trivial mention on Odd Eye Circle or Loona content. Both Loona and OEC articles fails to convey the creative process, direction and releases of ARTMS, that's why I created the article, because those topics are being covered by international press. I know the article could be better, so I kindly ask for your help to make it more complete. I will take any suggestion but I think moving it to a draft is too much.
LeafGreen (
talk) 17:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the cited sources on the article are
WP:KO/RS#UR, please be more specific! It's hard to debate every point, please be more human and less technical when addressing the article issues so I can reply more effectively. Thanks a lot.
LeafGreen (
talk) 17:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen Fyi, I didn't mentioned that any of the cited sources in the articles falls under
WP:KO/RS#UR if you read the rationale clearly nor did I mentioned any relation to the sources in the article. —
Paper9oll (
🔔 •
📝) 17:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- You said that the article "lack[s] of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject other than passing mention from Loona/Odd Eye Circle/'s related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle on Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English) on sources that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR". That sounds to me as you saying there are no mentions of ARTMS outside unreliable sources and Loona/OEC content, which is not true. Sorry if I got it wrong, my English is not good and all those acronyms and links make it difficult to understand. That's why I ask for your kindness. Thanks.
LeafGreen (
talk) 18:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen I did specifically stated "
lack of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability
" in that a BEFORE search on "Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English)
" shows that the results "that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR and also not marked red on WP:RSPSS
" (basically this means that I didn't take into account such sources from BEFORE search) indicated that there isn't any "significant coverage for individual/standalone notability
" presently, the situation is worser on Google than Naver/Daum nevertheless regardless of language doesn't indicates otherwise i.e. the coverage is leaning majority towards "Loona/Odd Eye Circle's related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle
" presently. — Paper9oll ( 🔔 • 📝) 18:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen I did specifically stated "
- You said that the article "lack[s] of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject other than passing mention from Loona/Odd Eye Circle/'s related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle on Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English) on sources that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR". That sounds to me as you saying there are no mentions of ARTMS outside unreliable sources and Loona/OEC content, which is not true. Sorry if I got it wrong, my English is not good and all those acronyms and links make it difficult to understand. That's why I ask for your kindness. Thanks.
LeafGreen (
talk) 18:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen Fyi, I didn't mentioned that any of the cited sources in the articles falls under
WP:KO/RS#UR if you read the rationale clearly nor did I mentioned any relation to the sources in the article. —
Paper9oll (
🔔 •
📝) 17:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the cited sources on the article are
WP:KO/RS#UR, please be more specific! It's hard to debate every point, please be more human and less technical when addressing the article issues so I can reply more effectively. Thanks a lot.
LeafGreen (
talk) 17:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify until after debut. Pretty typical press releases, won't have any significant record for notability until they debut like most Kpop artists. When they hit the charts, we'll see more. Evaders99 ( talk) 06:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Draftify pending debut and publication of significant coverage. signed, Rosguill talk 01:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
ARTMS
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- ARTMS ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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WP:TOOSOON and failed WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, and WP:NBAND criteria showing lack of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject other than passing mention from Loona/ Odd Eye Circle/'s related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle from WP:BEFORE on Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English) on sources that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR and also not marked red on WP:RSPSS. In addition, BEFORE also shows that none of the group's releases (1 single album with 2 tracks; released in December 2023) has charted on Circle Digital Chart and/or Circle Album Chart, both of which are the national chart of South Korea, nor any WP:GOODCHARTS outside of South Korea. — Paper9oll ( 🔔 • 📝) 17:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Korea. — Paper9oll ( 🔔 • 📝) 17:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- While I do understand Paper9oll concerns, I just do not agree. It is true that it's a new group with not much sales impact (yet), but culturally (and media covered) they are relevant in the Korean music scene. Multiple publications in both English and Korean languages proves it. It's just not a trivial mention on Odd Eye Circle or Loona content. Both Loona and OEC articles fails to convey the creative process, direction and releases of ARTMS, that's why I created the article, because those topics are being covered by international press. I know the article could be better, so I kindly ask for your help to make it more complete. I will take any suggestion but I think moving it to a draft is too much.
LeafGreen (
talk) 17:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the cited sources on the article are
WP:KO/RS#UR, please be more specific! It's hard to debate every point, please be more human and less technical when addressing the article issues so I can reply more effectively. Thanks a lot.
LeafGreen (
talk) 17:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen Fyi, I didn't mentioned that any of the cited sources in the articles falls under
WP:KO/RS#UR if you read the rationale clearly nor did I mentioned any relation to the sources in the article. —
Paper9oll (
🔔 •
📝) 17:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- You said that the article "lack[s] of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject other than passing mention from Loona/Odd Eye Circle/'s related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle on Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English) on sources that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR". That sounds to me as you saying there are no mentions of ARTMS outside unreliable sources and Loona/OEC content, which is not true. Sorry if I got it wrong, my English is not good and all those acronyms and links make it difficult to understand. That's why I ask for your kindness. Thanks.
LeafGreen (
talk) 18:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen I did specifically stated "
lack of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability
" in that a BEFORE search on "Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English)
" shows that the results "that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR and also not marked red on WP:RSPSS
" (basically this means that I didn't take into account such sources from BEFORE search) indicated that there isn't any "significant coverage for individual/standalone notability
" presently, the situation is worser on Google than Naver/Daum nevertheless regardless of language doesn't indicates otherwise i.e. the coverage is leaning majority towards "Loona/Odd Eye Circle's related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle
" presently. — Paper9oll ( 🔔 • 📝) 18:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen I did specifically stated "
- You said that the article "lack[s] of significant coverage for individual/standalone notability from secondary reliable sources that is independent of the subject other than passing mention from Loona/Odd Eye Circle/'s related reportings and/or mentioned in relation to Loona/Odd Eye Circle on Naver/Daum (Korean) and Google (English) on sources that doesn't falls under WP:KO/RS#UR". That sounds to me as you saying there are no mentions of ARTMS outside unreliable sources and Loona/OEC content, which is not true. Sorry if I got it wrong, my English is not good and all those acronyms and links make it difficult to understand. That's why I ask for your kindness. Thanks.
LeafGreen (
talk) 18:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- @
LeafGreen Fyi, I didn't mentioned that any of the cited sources in the articles falls under
WP:KO/RS#UR if you read the rationale clearly nor did I mentioned any relation to the sources in the article. —
Paper9oll (
🔔 •
📝) 17:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the cited sources on the article are
WP:KO/RS#UR, please be more specific! It's hard to debate every point, please be more human and less technical when addressing the article issues so I can reply more effectively. Thanks a lot.
LeafGreen (
talk) 17:49, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- Draftify until after debut. Pretty typical press releases, won't have any significant record for notability until they debut like most Kpop artists. When they hit the charts, we'll see more. Evaders99 ( talk) 06:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.