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The result was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 00:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B
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Group 1, Pool B, of the Europe/Africa zone, for the playoffs, of the 2023 Billie Jean King Cup. Fails GNG. Nothing shows notability for Pool B of Group 1 of the playoffs. This artcle is all stats, BEFORE only showed stats and promo news. // Timothy :: talk 11:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Tennis, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Norway, Serbia, and Sweden. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:50, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- An article exactly like this has been made for all the previous editions of the Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I, so I'm confused what's different here? For example
2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool A and
2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B, there's even articles for the results of even the lower Groups II and III.
Kr1s71an (
talk)
12:01, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- The previous years' articles seem way too dependent on primary sources too. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:20, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep this is a Highly notable event worldwide. Even the group pools. Just because the creator failed to include enough sources doesn't mean they don't exist. I found multiple and added them.
Fyunck(click) (
talk)
07:30, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sources do not bear this out. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- It looks like they do to me. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sources do not bear this out. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:59, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- keep Notable ties. All these non-English speaking countries cover tennis pretty good, among English sources. Even though such articles have been made for years, I wonder if Pool A and Pool B could be merged into 1 article? 2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 22:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and ILIKEIT are not valid reasons to keep. None of the Keep votes has provided any sources shoing this meets notability guidelines. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps because they have been added to the article instead. They were so easy to find. The United States news doesn't look at it as all that important but other countries do. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Policy based input, please
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 19:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment WP:NEXISTS. Also Fyunck(click) did add some English sources. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 20:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Keep votes are ignoring the subject - Group I – Pool B, there are articles about every level of the event, if there is going to be an article specifically about Group I – Pool B then there must be SIGCOV to show this subject - Group I – Pool B - meets notability.
- Source eval:
Primary, not IS RS 1. "2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I". fedcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 2. ^ "Serbia v Bulgaria". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 3. ^ "Sweden v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 4. ^ "Croatia v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 5. ^ "Serbia v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 6. ^ "Sweden v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 7. ^ "Croatia v Bulgaria". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 8. ^ "Serbia v Croatia". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 9. ^ "Sweden v Bulgaria". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 10. ^ "Denmark v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 11. ^ "Serbia v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 12. ^ "Sweden v Croatia". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 13. ^ "Bulgaria v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 14. ^ "Serbia v Sweden". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 15. ^ "Croatia v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 16. ^ "Bulgaria v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Fails SIGCOV, this is what it states, "In Pool B, meanwhile, Sweden and Serbia both maintained their own perfect records with victory over Denmark and Norway respectively, suggesting there is much to play for over the coming days." 17. ^ "Billie Jean King Cup groups get underway". Retrieved 30 April 2023. Routine sports news, no information about subject, fails SIGCOV. There is already an article about Group 1 as a whole, this is specifically about Pool B within Group 1 18. ^ "BJK Cup Group I round-up". Retrieved 30 April 2023. Routine sports news, about a single game, fails SIGCOV 19. ^ "Bulgaria wins Billie Jean King Cup tie against Croatia". Retrieved 30 April 2023.
- There is not sourcing for articles about every single zone, group and pool. This is simply stat spam. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- There is sourcing, not to your liking though. The added sources are not routine... they are specifically written about the event. And if it's not perfect in all the sources, that doesn't mean you delete it... you keep adding to it. Could there me a reason to merge with the main article?..it's possible, but that's a different beast that can be discussed in another conversation. To just delete the material is the wrong way to go. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- The pool A & B pages might be unnecessary and could be merged together. But that's more of a keep merge. I haven't received any feedback from
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis#Billie Jean King Cup articles yet. @
Fyunck(click) @
Kr1s71an @
Mkrny @
খাঁটি বাঙালি, what do you think about merging them to
2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I? And in future avoid Pool and Zonal Group playoff articles.
Pelmeen10 (
talk)
12:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have no issue with that. I did finally answer you on the project page. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 18:34, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- The pool A & B pages might be unnecessary and could be merged together. But that's more of a keep merge. I haven't received any feedback from
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis#Billie Jean King Cup articles yet. @
Fyunck(click) @
Kr1s71an @
Mkrny @
খাঁটি বাঙালি, what do you think about merging them to
2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I? And in future avoid Pool and Zonal Group playoff articles.
Pelmeen10 (
talk)
12:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Just no significant coverage to be found here. The two contributors who suggest keep seem not to understand our notability guidelines. In one of their comments they actually acknowledged the reason for deletion. Coverage exists for this entire event, but not for this particular segment of it.
T
v
x1
08:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- We should merge the articles then per
WP:ATD-M instead of deleting the content.
Iffy★
Chat --
12:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- The AFD has been running for three weeks. More than enough time for you to have moved the salvagable content to the right article. This particular should simply be deleted.
T
v
x1
19:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's been running that long because there are two keeps and two deletes and a keep/merge.
Fyunck(click) (
talk)
19:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Which still isn’t an excuse not to have move salvageable content or a write a new general article in the mean time.
T
v
x1
18:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sure it is. Why would someone just start moving contents which would in effect double up the content on wikipedia? If there's a mandate to merge, sure, but not otherwise. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Which still isn’t an excuse not to have move salvageable content or a write a new general article in the mean time.
T
v
x1
18:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's been running that long because there are two keeps and two deletes and a keep/merge.
Fyunck(click) (
talk)
19:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- The AFD has been running for three weeks. More than enough time for you to have moved the salvagable content to the right article. This particular should simply be deleted.
T
v
x1
19:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- We should merge the articles then per
WP:ATD-M instead of deleting the content.
Iffy★
Chat --
12:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete way too specific to merit an article on its own. Wikipedia would be a mass (much more so than it is) if each topic was broken up into several indivisible parts. Its contents should be merged with the cup's main article. Rkieferbaum ( talk) 14:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 00:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B
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- 2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Group 1, Pool B, of the Europe/Africa zone, for the playoffs, of the 2023 Billie Jean King Cup. Fails GNG. Nothing shows notability for Pool B of Group 1 of the playoffs. This artcle is all stats, BEFORE only showed stats and promo news. // Timothy :: talk 11:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Tennis, Bulgaria, Croatia, Denmark, Norway, Serbia, and Sweden. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:50, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- An article exactly like this has been made for all the previous editions of the Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I, so I'm confused what's different here? For example
2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool A and
2022 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I – Pool B, there's even articles for the results of even the lower Groups II and III.
Kr1s71an (
talk)
12:01, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- The previous years' articles seem way too dependent on primary sources too. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:20, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep this is a Highly notable event worldwide. Even the group pools. Just because the creator failed to include enough sources doesn't mean they don't exist. I found multiple and added them.
Fyunck(click) (
talk)
07:30, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sources do not bear this out. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- It looks like they do to me. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sources do not bear this out. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:59, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- keep Notable ties. All these non-English speaking countries cover tennis pretty good, among English sources. Even though such articles have been made for years, I wonder if Pool A and Pool B could be merged into 1 article? 2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 22:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and ILIKEIT are not valid reasons to keep. None of the Keep votes has provided any sources shoing this meets notability guidelines. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:28, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps because they have been added to the article instead. They were so easy to find. The United States news doesn't look at it as all that important but other countries do. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Policy based input, please
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 19:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment WP:NEXISTS. Also Fyunck(click) did add some English sources. Pelmeen10 ( talk) 20:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: Keep votes are ignoring the subject - Group I – Pool B, there are articles about every level of the event, if there is going to be an article specifically about Group I – Pool B then there must be SIGCOV to show this subject - Group I – Pool B - meets notability.
- Source eval:
Primary, not IS RS 1. "2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I". fedcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 2. ^ "Serbia v Bulgaria". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 3. ^ "Sweden v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 4. ^ "Croatia v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 5. ^ "Serbia v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 6. ^ "Sweden v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 7. ^ "Croatia v Bulgaria". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 8. ^ "Serbia v Croatia". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 9. ^ "Sweden v Bulgaria". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 10. ^ "Denmark v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 11. ^ "Serbia v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 12. ^ "Sweden v Croatia". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 13. ^ "Bulgaria v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 14. ^ "Serbia v Sweden". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 15. ^ "Croatia v Norway". billiejeankingcup.com. Primary, not IS RS 16. ^ "Bulgaria v Denmark". billiejeankingcup.com. Fails SIGCOV, this is what it states, "In Pool B, meanwhile, Sweden and Serbia both maintained their own perfect records with victory over Denmark and Norway respectively, suggesting there is much to play for over the coming days." 17. ^ "Billie Jean King Cup groups get underway". Retrieved 30 April 2023. Routine sports news, no information about subject, fails SIGCOV. There is already an article about Group 1 as a whole, this is specifically about Pool B within Group 1 18. ^ "BJK Cup Group I round-up". Retrieved 30 April 2023. Routine sports news, about a single game, fails SIGCOV 19. ^ "Bulgaria wins Billie Jean King Cup tie against Croatia". Retrieved 30 April 2023.
- There is not sourcing for articles about every single zone, group and pool. This is simply stat spam. //
Timothy ::
talk
21:01, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- There is sourcing, not to your liking though. The added sources are not routine... they are specifically written about the event. And if it's not perfect in all the sources, that doesn't mean you delete it... you keep adding to it. Could there me a reason to merge with the main article?..it's possible, but that's a different beast that can be discussed in another conversation. To just delete the material is the wrong way to go. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 21:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- The pool A & B pages might be unnecessary and could be merged together. But that's more of a keep merge. I haven't received any feedback from
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis#Billie Jean King Cup articles yet. @
Fyunck(click) @
Kr1s71an @
Mkrny @
খাঁটি বাঙালি, what do you think about merging them to
2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I? And in future avoid Pool and Zonal Group playoff articles.
Pelmeen10 (
talk)
12:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have no issue with that. I did finally answer you on the project page. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 18:34, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- The pool A & B pages might be unnecessary and could be merged together. But that's more of a keep merge. I haven't received any feedback from
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis#Billie Jean King Cup articles yet. @
Fyunck(click) @
Kr1s71an @
Mkrny @
খাঁটি বাঙালি, what do you think about merging them to
2023 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Zone Group I? And in future avoid Pool and Zonal Group playoff articles.
Pelmeen10 (
talk)
12:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Just no significant coverage to be found here. The two contributors who suggest keep seem not to understand our notability guidelines. In one of their comments they actually acknowledged the reason for deletion. Coverage exists for this entire event, but not for this particular segment of it.
T
v
x1
08:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- We should merge the articles then per
WP:ATD-M instead of deleting the content.
Iffy★
Chat --
12:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- The AFD has been running for three weeks. More than enough time for you to have moved the salvagable content to the right article. This particular should simply be deleted.
T
v
x1
19:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's been running that long because there are two keeps and two deletes and a keep/merge.
Fyunck(click) (
talk)
19:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- Which still isn’t an excuse not to have move salvageable content or a write a new general article in the mean time.
T
v
x1
18:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sure it is. Why would someone just start moving contents which would in effect double up the content on wikipedia? If there's a mandate to merge, sure, but not otherwise. Fyunck(click) ( talk) 19:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- Which still isn’t an excuse not to have move salvageable content or a write a new general article in the mean time.
T
v
x1
18:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's been running that long because there are two keeps and two deletes and a keep/merge.
Fyunck(click) (
talk)
19:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- The AFD has been running for three weeks. More than enough time for you to have moved the salvagable content to the right article. This particular should simply be deleted.
T
v
x1
19:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
- We should merge the articles then per
WP:ATD-M instead of deleting the content.
Iffy★
Chat --
12:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete way too specific to merit an article on its own. Wikipedia would be a mass (much more so than it is) if each topic was broken up into several indivisible parts. Its contents should be merged with the cup's main article. Rkieferbaum ( talk) 14:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.