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	The Admin's Barnstar
	Ugh... Arcandam just walked right into that one. Don't let them get you down; looking at just some of what was posted I can safely say that was a good block! Barts1a / Talk to me / Help me improve 08:40, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for a block, some how I don't think that's something to celebrate. Thanks anyway. Worm^TT( talk) 09:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Is there any lead as to who was impersonating me and Androzaniamy?— cyberpower ^Chat_Online 11:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The checkuser didn't get back to me. The editor I believed to be behind it appears to have gotten bored of WP anyway, so hopefully we can all forget about this and move on. Worm^TT( talk) 11:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

On an entirely different subject, have there been any major changes in policy, major decisions, or other noteworthy changes that I should be aware of since the end of June? I had to be away to focus on college work (23 credit hours in engineering...grr!), and hadn't really followed things here. Thanks! Reaper Eternal ( talk) 12:21, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The level one user warnings were all changed  Ryan  Vesey 12:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The biggest thing would be the resolution of WP:V, so "Verifiability, not truth" is gone. Also, Fae's been banned for a year, we've had a good run of RfAs... probably more too. Worm^TT( talk) 12:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

We lost "Verifiability, not truth"?!? Well, if you don't vote I guess you can't complain. I suppose we say practically the same thing.  Ryan  Vesey 12:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that a lot of my friends became admins, and one became a crat. :) At least that whole drama-spree about WP:V is finally over, though I don't see how the removing of that one phrase has caused anything to change.... Reaper Eternal ( talk) 12:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

It caused the drama to be over ;) Worm^TT( talk) 12:39, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

It's funny how since the encyclopedia is so big, there can easily be a huge drama pit that you don't know about. In other times you can be taking part in a huge drama pit that nobody else knows about. In any case, what do you guys think about the new warning messages? Of them all, I have to say that the unsourced warning is my favorite improvement.  Ryan  Vesey 12:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Does that mean that WP:V is no longer a rule or they just took something out of WP:V? I'm confused and this is the first I have heard of it. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

They just changed the wording.  Ryan  Vesey 13:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah, OK. Removing "Verifiability, not truth" will probably give all of us a crapload more work and a ton of non-notable articles. Thankfully, nothing we can handle with the ol' delete button. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I doubt it. I think it's more likely that it will stop people complaining that "Wikipedia doesn't care about the truth" :) Worm^TT( talk) 13:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, in that case, I like it. If it makes people work harder on articles (looking for sources), then I think it is a good idea. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

One change I've been thinking of since I had my RfA was to slightly increase the number of mandatory questions. That would be in a hope to add a few questions used to show knowledge in policy. This could give editors some time to think about their response and help inform !voters. Otherwise, the candidates get bombarded with questions that they are expected to answer at least somewhat quickly. This increases the stress on the candidate. We couldn't use the same question every time, so here is my idea. A list of questions could be created, each with it's own page. That page would go into the category Category:RfA policy questions. When you preloaded the RfA nom, one or two of those questions would be substituted. Any thoughts?  Ryan  Vesey 13:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know how people would feel about more questions at RfA, but I do like the idea of random policy question or two substituted... might be worth bringing up at WP:RFA2012 if that's still going? Worm^TT( talk) 13:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Am I doing this correctly?-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 19:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

On the article page there is a big red box with information and a button in the middle saying "contest this speedy deletion". Press that. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 19:12, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry i'm going to retract that as i very very stupidly didn't look properly. Apologies, OTRS isn't my area of expertise ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 19:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

:-) No, my question was on handling a CSD tag I may have applied incorrectly.-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 19:19, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ping! :) I thought it would be an application of WP:IAR in applying the CSD tag, but I may have been over-hasty with it. See it, the article page history, and both the author's and Transporterman's takl pages.-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 20:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:IAR is a strange one and i'm not sure i've ever gotten away with it. Most of the time the rules are a better guideline to follow and easier to apply without challenge.

That being said, do you understand what that article is about? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, and yeah, I pretty much understand the great majority of the article. Though for various reasons I was given a lot of high-level chemistry books/textbooks as a child, so it's not really surprising :) -- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 23:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay! It looked like a copyvio off the bat, but asking for a G12 without having a target isn't the right way to go. It might mean a lot of leg work to confirm it is a copy vio (or you could just talk to the editor), but the tag wasn't the right way to go. It's bitey and unhelpful. However, your further handling was pretty good, going so far as to apologise and help do up the article. As long as you've learned from it, that's good. As for IAR... I don't think this is a good use - you're effectively trying to " improve the encyclopedia" by removing high quality work just because you think it's too good. You need to be SURE it's too good, before invoking IAR. Worm^TT( talk) 09:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem :) Okay, I'll bear that in mind in future. Brings to mind one of the questions I obvious forgot for a moment from your adoption course.-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 23:35, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Some of the text in the "About Me" section is covered by your userboxes, along with the "Edit" links for each individual section. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:32, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Blast. I didn't think about the edit section. It's probably a resolution issue on the text... will keep playing. Worm^TT( talk) 13:33, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Well that's sorted it on mine, give me a shout if you're still having problems. :) Worm^TT( talk) 13:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Just did and it looks great except for the "you may leave a message..." post between the picture and the userbox. It seems to be hidden behind both the picture and the userboxes on the first part of the sentence. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh and in case it helps, I am using Firefox 14.0.1 and the Vector skin. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Great redesign. My only suggestion would be be to either box your tabs some way or put the tabs inside the rest of the background color.  Ryan  Vesey 14:17, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheers. Planning to box them, but haven't decided how. Worm^TT( talk) 14:20, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Gave it another look and everything looks fine from my end. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

This table took ages to set up but is as small as i can get it without messing up the way it spaces everything out. Could you get just the "model" column smaller without making the rest smaller? There's no rush for this. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:46, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll have a think, but it looks pretty good to me as it is! Worm^TT( talk) 07:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done - just goes to show that sometimes the most obvious and easiest option is also the most difficult to see. Fixed it all by myself =P i deleted the old table. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 10:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

And your new userpage is nice, but i have to point out the big "Talk" box above your "About me" section doesn't look good at all. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I assume you're looking at it from a mobile device? It does look better on a desktop... Worm^TT( talk) 07:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Nope, PC. The floating talk box doesn't match your theme (at all) and cuts the top off the words in your first paragraph from what i see. Other than that it's a nice clean theme ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 08:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

The colour is the same as one of the levels of the "WormTT", it's designed to be eye-catching, helping those who actually wanted to talk to me get there. It shouldn't be touching the about me, unless you have a really narrow browser resolution, meaning the WormTT is below the image... I'll move it up a few pixels so it doesn't overlap there. Worm^TT( talk) 08:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

This is a work computer, it's older than me i think. I'm pretty sure it's been upgraded from the original 64 bits of ram it had then...but not by much. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 08:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Have tweaked to make it less ugly... would appreciate your thoughts. Worm^TT( talk) 10:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Dave...4/5. It looks nice but it's still much darker than the rest of your creamy, white and beige (i never knew you were that old =P) theme. Overall it's better ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 12:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

And to prove bad things come in threes...can i also request a rename of File:A black & tan Pomeranian thats losted an eye due to an infection.JPG to something more "English" or have you point me in the right direction to get that done. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 18:06, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

That's on Commons, I don't know the procedures there, but commons:commons:rename should help. Worm^TT( talk) 07:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Worm,

Can I learn programming from you? What language do you use? I signed up an online course with EdX to learning computer science and programming. Can you help me separate my conjunctive twins in my award section? --  RexRowan   Talk  10:33, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Rex! I'm afraid I don't really have time to teach someone "programming", it's something that luckily enough comes naturally to me and I wouldn't know where to begin. I work mostly in Java, but I do more than my fair share of HTML too... along with being conversant in a fair few other languages. There's a lot of similarities between each language... can I suggest you snoop over to Coursera, I see there's a course or two in Python which might be good for a beginner! Oh, and I fixed your awards, you don't tell them to end, so they kept piling up. Worm^TT( talk) 10:39, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help and explanation. You are so fast. Ok, I will check the course you suggested out. I will have a go with the EdX course and if I pass them I will get a real certificate. --  RexRowan   Talk  10:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Worm, me and Rowan prepared 3 extra questions for each of the 9 questions of the Five Pillars Test. When you're less busy, let me know, se we can randomise. I worked out that can give us almost 20000 configurations.  Adam Mugliston   Talk  15:04, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Where are these questions? In addition, do you have any ideas for more wikiquette questions?  Ryan  Vesey 18:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

We've got what we need now.  Adam Mugliston   Talk  18:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I know, I'm looking for some more questions myself.  Ryan  Vesey 18:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, my questions aren't enough... ;) User:Adam mugliston/Adopt/Wikiquette/Test/Random and User:Adam mugliston/Five Pillars/Test/Random Worm^TT( talk) 18:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, yes, do help yourself if you want, but I'm a bit busy right now to help with more. Apple trouble. Any chance anyone of you used to own a Windows and an iPhone and now owns a Mac and an iPhone?  Adam Mugliston   Talk  19:01, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes actually... but it was a long time ago that I switched. Worm^TT( talk) 19:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Well let me present my situation to you and we'll see:

8 months ago I bought my Mac. I already had my iPhone for a year and a half then and previously it was synced to my now knackered Windows Dell. I was warned that if I sync my phone to my Mac I would lose all content from the Dell. I have never been able to move all the music and apps and everything over and so the only source of it is my phone. I would like to add some more songs for my holiday, put do not want to pay the £1 a song, which I have been doing so far to avoid syncing. I have a free source, which can download to my Mac, but to get the music to my phone would require syncing to my Mac. If I do that, I lose most apps and most music. Is there any way I can solve this?  Adam Mugliston   Talk  19:12, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Set up home sharing.  Ryan  Vesey 19:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

That might just work. Generally, the idea would be to... you know... not do that :P Worm^TT( talk) 19:15, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Wait, what does knackered mean?  Ryan  Vesey 19:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Broken. Knacker Worm^TT( talk) 19:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Knackered: the 'T' '5' and a few other keys don't work. Left click doesn't work, to left click i need to tap the touchpad, however this requires about 8 taps before anything happens., the comp is very slow. I have tried Home sharing when I got the Mac and the music moved over up to C, refused to continue later, cannot seem to set-up home sharing again. Also, cannot download Migration Assistant (which the suggestion at the Apple store).  Adam Mugliston   Talk  19:21, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Are there genius bars in the UK?  Ryan  Vesey 19:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there are. My nearest is an hour and a half away and I am leaving for holiday on Sunday. Tomorrow I have to do a morning shift in the library and in the afternoon pack, so no time for that.  Adam Mugliston   Talk  19:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Best I can suggest is this, but there's just simply no guarantees. Worm^TT( talk) 19:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

On that note, I've been running my ipod without itunes for the last 3 months because of resetting my computer -.-  Ryan  Vesey 19:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Have none of you heard of backups? Worm^TT( talk) 19:43, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

So I've got a huge external hard drive, but I lost the chord to it so I haven't used it yet. I had most of my documents backed up onto dropbox; however, I forgot to back up my resume. Did I mention I had a job interview the next day?  Ryan  Vesey 19:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the link Worm, I'll have a look. We mean to get a back up, but they're so expensive.  Adam Mugliston   Talk  20:09, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

A "back up" is a safe(r) copy of your data... it doesn't have to be expensive. (The most I've ever spent on a single backup solution was about half a million dollars, but most of my personal backups are on whatever the cheapest blank DVDs at the local computer shop cost, or on free online storage.) Secondly, the one thing more expensive than a backup, is what happens when you don't have a backup. (Note to self, must update backups...) -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 22:17, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I thought he meant one of those external hard drive things. Unfortunately, it's not easy to back up an iTunes library.  Adam Mugliston   Talk  22:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Depends on how big the iTunes library is. Worm^TT( talk) 22:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		Thank you for separating my conjunctive twins.  RexRowan   Talk  18:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Worm, I got the newest Arkham Asylum disk, but my pc is not fast enough to play it. You want it? --  RexRowan   Talk  19:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Kind of you Rex, but I keep my gaming to my consoles really. Worm^TT( talk) 19:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. Have a great weekend! :D --  RexRowan   Talk  19:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I installed an archive function but it's not working, can I do it manually? --  RexRowan   Talk  19:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I linked myself to you through a wormhole, hope it's ok. --  RexRowan   Talk  20:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome to. Odd that I'm sitting watching DS9 at the moment! Worm^TT( talk) 20:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I renamed it quantum tunnelling, you know like Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen travels in a big boom and blue light. I got the special disk contains all the science and stuff, here is the science dude's website [1]. --  RexRowan   Talk  20:27, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

This is my 1st time.... creating a Wikipedia Page.

Could you please look at the page I have created and give me some feedback....about how it makes you feel as a more experienced Wikipedian ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:LauraRoach360/this_is_my_subpage&pe=1& — Preceding unsigned comment added by LauraRenee360 ( talk • contribs) 22:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, besides the fact it's been moved to User:LauraRenee360/Mary-Russell Ferrell Colton, it's looking fairly good. However, we'll need some sort of evidence for these facts - sourcing is key on wikipedia. So I think you'll need to spend some time grabbing references and citing things. As for how I feel as a more experienced wikipedia, I don't generally feel like one! There's so much on here that I don't know. But it's a great community, I generally learn what I need, when I need to. Worm^TT( talk) 22:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help, Worm....I will picture you as the young Gary Oldman in the movie 'the wall'

On my page Mary-Russell Ferrell Colton is part of the group

The Philadelphia Ten see link: {{wiki/Philadelphia_Ten}}

This conection helps to create notariety...but for some reason even though her long 'l' filled name is listed as one of the origanal founding members....it is not creating the happy blue link. But more the utterly dissappointing red link.....why ?

(Laura R. Roach 23:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC))

It is the gift of the apple of knowledge.... go ahead let us eat of the apple of knowledge together.

• ( talk page stalker) Replied at User talk:LauraRenee360. Pam D 08:03, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Dave! Can you please come up with a name for the NAS for NPP? Also, I found a pretty funny new article yesterday about a non-notable teenager (I tagged it as an A7 and it was later deleted). The funny thing was that the article had a fake protection lock symbol and a fake GA symbol, too! Best, Electric Catfish 20:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC).

Also, I'm done with the adoption test. Electric Catfish 00:23, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

How about "First Steps for New Page Patrol"? Worm^TT( talk) 10:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm going to add it to my userspace and than we'll move it to WP space when it's done. Best, Electric Catfish 14:37, 10 August 2012 (UTC).

I've just seen your talk page and your comment at Kudpung's page. Per my magic formula, it's quality not quantity that matters. If you patrol 10 articles really well, it'll look a lot better than if you patrol 50, but have problems with 5. I know that it's counter intuitive, because you've got either 10 right or 45 right, and it seems that 45 should be better, but it really isn't. Slow and steady wins the race on wikipedia. Worm^TT( talk) 14:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, please note than Kudpung was wrong on one, and it was deleted as per A7, even though Kudpung thought a G3 or a G10 would be better. Anyways, I was very eager to try out the new page triage system. Best, Electric Catfish 14:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC).

Which one was that? Also, have a read over User:Worm That Turned/Adopt/Deletion if you get a chance, we'll get there sooner or later, but it might help in the short term! Worm^TT( talk) 14:46, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Awesome folk. I've never messed up like this before. I've had only 5 speedies declined from over 400 tags. I'll take a look at it and perhaps take the test. Also, I have strong opinions regarding your question on the vandalism test if vandals should be allowed to remove warnings or not. Best, Electric Catfish 14:49, 10 August 2012 (UTC).

Also, I just checked my AfD stats and my votes matched the consensus 85.4% of the time! Electric Catfish 15:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Anyways, I'm going to create some articles now. Electric Catfish 15:03, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

This article in a pretty bad state and I wanted to improve it a bit, probably a GA soon as not much can be added (needs a lot of overhaul anyways). Somehow, I'm here struggling to find references for it as well as not getting much info (I've got some pages bookmarked which have good facts about the song as I think I'll start my work on this next week). I was thinking if we could collaborate for this article? I've done it once in past and it was pretty good experience; I worked with Yunshui to help promote my hometown to GA status. It was time when I was new to content creation and his help was much needed. It is not that I can't do with LOTAG, but it'll take more time for me to get it ready for a GA. Your interests are as far as I see in edible articles or Doom Bar, and haven't been in content work since long. If you were wishing to make a come back soon, I needed help there. Cheers! TheSpecialUser  ^TSU 13:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi TSU, is that really independent article material? It doesn't appear to be very notable. I've made 2 small changes but i'd be surprized if that survived an AfD witohut "merge" being mentioned a couple times. Thanks and good luck with that ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 13:32, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

It is one of the low-scoring singles by Green Day (though I love it) thus, it is not possible to add much info. While article like this Know Your Enemy can surely be expanded even more then this GA Oh Love, LOTAG, is obviously notable as it was charted on multiple charts. TheSpecialUser  ^TSU 15:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

It has been a while since I've worked on content, and I do need to get back into it, but I doubt I'll be working on a Green Day song... I've got a backlog of articles closer to my interests to sort out! Worm^TT( talk) 09:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Now you've got adoptees closing RFA's after less than 30 minutes, and refusing to correct their closes? dangerous panda 23:23, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm beginning to think this is part of a bigger issue, which I am considering how best to handle. Worm^TT( talk) 09:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave, can you or a stapler sort a rename for File:Birmingham Bulls Football Club Shirt.jpg before it is moved to the commons? It should actually be called File:Birmingham Blaze Football Club Shirt.jpg - Bulls are the Rugby team, while Blaze is the football team. I mixed them up. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Worm^TT( talk) 09:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. You're a life saver! ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:11, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't know if I still have a private talk page with you. (I need a sanity check, quick!) Or can I email you? MathewTownsend ( talk) 15:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Your adoption talk page is still there, I can provide you a link if you want. Or you can email me. Worm^TT( talk) 15:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Article
• Talk page

Not sure how urls work in email. MathewTownsend ( talk) 15:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

	The Original Barnstar
	For all of the help that you have given me recently. I greatly appreciate it and it's great to have you as my mentor! Thank you! Electric Catfish 00:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave. Could you chime in here please? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 13:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave! When I was on NPP today, I encountered an unsourced BLP. I googled it and couldn't find any reliable sources so I BLP-PRODed it. The author than reverted me citing IAR here. Is this the proper application of IAR? Thanks, Electric Catfish 16:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC).

Also, I am working on sourcing BLPs using the button on Ryan Vesey's talk. However, can you please link me to the backlog category for articles with this tag? Thanks, Electric Catfish 18:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC).

I'm also working on CAT:AFC and CAT: COPYEDIT. Electric Catfish 19:01, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Electriccatfish, a BLP-PROD cannot be removed per WP:IAR, luckily the article is sourced now. The category I use is Category:All unreferenced BLPs and I'm glad you like my button.  Ryan  Vesey 04:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, they cannot be removed per IAR because having an unsourced BLP on WP is not an improvement, per WP Consensus. As Ryan says, this is now sorted, which is a very good thing. And I think he's answered the rest of your questions :D Worm^TT( talk) 09:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks guys. I checked the article and the author is edit-warring with a bunch of editors over the BLP-PROD tags, so I issued a {{ uw-3rr}}. Electric Catfish 21:06, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	For your great proposal on WT: CVUA! Electric Catfish 20:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Worm^TT( talk) 12:18, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave! You requested me not to make closures at PERM/C. I respect your request, but I'd like to clarify a bit about the situation there. First of all, Armbrust has been handling things there for a while. I asked him if I could join him and he told me what to do. Anyways, most of the requests can be answered by using one of our templates. If the user requests to edit semi-protected pages, you respond with a template that tells him to use the {{ Edit semi-protected}} template. If they request to upload a file, you direct them to FFU. If they request to upload an image, you template them asking them what the copyright status is. You also template them if they request to upload a free image and the template directs them to Comons. Anyways, some of the templates contain the {{ not done}} template within them. Working at confirmed has nothing to do with my future RfA, but as my mentor, you have my best interests in mind. Now that I have clarified my position, please tell me what to do. Thank you again, Electric Catfish 20:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC).

• ( talk-page stapler) Electric, I'd personally advise you not to close them, or archive them like Armbrust is doing. I'd also advise to only comment when there is something important that the closing administrator will miss, which will change their decision entirely. Thine Antique Pen (public) 20:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I get the point, I won't work there for the time being. Also, I read what you posted at WT: PERM and I have to agree with you there. Lastly, regarding number 4, I feel the same way, however, what should I work on besides anti-vandalism? Is NPP alone sufficient enought? Electric Catfish 21:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, what do you mean what I posted on WT:PERM? Ye Olde Thine Antique Pen spends time on this and this. :) Thine Antique Pen (public) 21:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps this is some inside information, but what do you mean by "number 4"?  Ryan  Vesey 21:08, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

See what he wrote on WT: CVUA. Electric Catfish 21:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Aha, what WormTT wrote there. I'd have to agree with him there. Thine Antique Pen (public) 21:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, it is true that NPP doesn't seem to be sufficient on its own. Consider Swister Twister who recently failed an RfA. He was one of the most active new page patrollers. In any case, for the longest time, I was "on the track to adminship". All I can say is, jump off. You can continue editing in maintenance areas where you believe your input will be welcome and helpful, but I think working your way towards adminship is a bad idea. Edit where it's enjoyable and when you are ready, you'll be ready.  Ryan  Vesey 21:21, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan, you're totally right here. I joined this project with the sole intention of building an encyclopedia. I've been involved in some maintenance tasks recently and I've greatly enjoyed it. I've also realized that having the sysop tools enabled on my account would be quite useful. Anyways, I'm going to do what I enjoy and the time will come for adminship at some point. Electric Catfish 22:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan is correct. I'd advise to not try and work your way towards any other rights, including sysop. I also advise that you don't self-nominate yourself when you think it's time for a RfA: I'd suggest waiting for a nomination from an established, trusted user. Thine Antique Pen (public) 07:45, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I was never considering self-nominating myself. Electric Catfish 11:23, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

If you see, I suggest a nomination from an "established, trusted user." Thine Antique Pen (public) 11:25, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Catfish. Thanks for getting back to me on this. I really do feel that it'd be best you kept away from administrative areas of wikipedia, at least for the time being. I'm not criticising the actual decisions you've made, I haven't looked into them, but I would like to see you confirming that you have a good solid knowledge of the basics before moving on. It's just part of my mentoring style. As I said, I don't mind you making comments at those areas, but I'd suggest no template usage, no suggestions of closure - even if it's clear cut and right. My plan for mentoring you is to go through my course, then discuss with you which admin area you'd like to look at, one at a time. As for RfA... Armbrust, whilst he's doing a perfectly good job, has two unsuccessful RfAs under his belt... perhaps not necessarily to best person to follow if RfA is an end goal. Finally, regarding my #4 at CVUA.... Magic Formula. Anti-vandalism + NPP is fine for the administrative work, but it's important you get it right rather than do lots. You still have to hit the "Content Creation" and "Working Well With Others" sections. I've had my eye on your umpire, though I haven't commented yet! Worm^TT( talk) 11:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Dave! I'd also just like to inform you that I'm a DRN volunteer, so I am working on the interaction part of it. Electric Catfish 20:46, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I like your mentoring style. I've seen your tests and they look pretty easy. Can you please give me the next two assignments on WQ and DR? Steven Zhang has taught me a lot about resolving disputes at the DRN. Electric Catfish 21:00, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

DRN is a great place to learn the ropes, I certainly wouldn't complain about you participating (as long as you're not closing conversations!) I've marked your current set of answers, feel free to have a read over. I'll put up the next two lessons and associated assignments in a bit :) Worm^TT( talk) 12:20, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I do close discussions there if they are about user conduct, not about content. That's the policy there, and most of the people who actively work there are not admins. Electric Catfish 23:18, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks like I opened a can of worms (pun). I hope they will take the advice and suggestions on board and that everything works out fine. Generally they are doing a good job in the best of GF. I'm rather concerned at the thought of their members wanting to instruct NPPers though, but I'm more than confident that you will be able to pull it off. Perhaps we need a board of instructors and mentors - with full hierarchy and bureaucracy of course :) I'm just wondering where this leaves me with my training video which is on hold until the NPF is perfected. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

BTW: Any idea why EC has been banned from the CVU's IRC channel? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 02:02, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I think it was more that you were the straw that broke the worm's back :) I've been approached by 3-4 people with regards to the area, and I meant to chat to them about it earlier. Your comments at the RfA spurred me on. I think they're doing a great job overall, and it might well be our past experiences and jaded natures that make us pessimistic about the group - if they follow my recent suggestions I think they'll have little difficulty proving that they're as good as I believe they are. No idea about EC and IRC - first I've heard of it. Worm^TT( talk) 09:28, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

( talk page stalker) They're looking into the banning issue. If I use a different IRC nickname, the ban does not apply. Also, thanks guys for all of your suggestions. You guys probably didn't know about the coordinator elections, which fueled much of the bureaucracy of the project. We've had several issues in the past with our students (4 have been blocked), which is why I asked ItsZippy to become an instructor with us. On behalf of the whole CVUA, I'd like to thank both of you for all of your help. Best, Electric Catfish 11:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC).

Blocking is always a shame... but it does happen. A fair portion of my adoptees/mentored students have ended up blocked, at least 2 by my own hand. Not too surprising because I work primarily with the more disruptive areas of the community, and I think you'll find there will always be a correlation between those who just want to damage the pedia and those who want to stop the damage. It's similar people who are attracted to each side, meaning that the likelihood of blocking either is quite possible. This isn't a CVUA thing, it's a WP thing. Worm^TT( talk) 11:21, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Our company is currently developing licenced live streaming software for European TV channels in Thailand. I was watching ITV4 a few moments ago for testing and saw a repeat of this deliberately camp 1960s series. Watch one, and see if it rings a bell. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 17:57, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I've always loved the classic Adam West program! There's something that just warms my cockles about the stupidity of the solutions they come up with. One of my favourites was in one of the cowboy episodes (I think "It's The Way You Play The Game") when Batman and Robin are surrounded by gunslingers, Batman throws a gas bomb to the ground and they hide, whilst Shame and his band shoot at them. Robin asks what they're going to do, and Batman points out that there are (something like...) 6 men with 2 guns, each with 6 bullets, so that's 72 bullets... and asks how many Robin's counted... 71... We hear on more shot and then they're up and fighting! Pow!

There's something to be treasured about the camp 1960s tv programs, until recently, I had a near complete set of The Avengers, though I've cut it down to the Emma Peel episodes. Amazing how much time you can waste on something so nonsensical. Worm^TT( talk) 09:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I actually really enjoyed the Avengers, I was about 11 or 12 at the time, but I thought Batman was childish crap (I didn't realise at the time that it was deliberate). But it looks as if you missed the analogy with the Whack! Boom! Zap! :( Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 10:58, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I've been wracking my brains and in honesty, nope.. I can't see the analogy. Though I did watch part of one this morning before work, amazing how many dei ex machina can save the dynamic duo. I count 3 in as many minutes. Worm^TT( talk) 13:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you think consensus has sufficiently been reached at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikify#No more wikify template (and subsequent section) for me to again move forward with the changes?  Ryan  Vesey 15:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I can certainly see where Debresser is coming from, but the majority of editors seem to be for the changes. I'd suggest going ahead an boldly doing them. Or if you're not confident, put up an RfC. Consensus may not have been reached, but I think there's sufficient views that it'd doing the right thing that, well, you might as well go ahead. Start with the TfD, and more eyes might appear on the situation. Worm^TT( talk) 12:54, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Debresser had already reverted my changes, but I do think that BRD refers to exactly those situations. When it really comes down to it, the way the message went out to everyone in the group, many of them went to the TfD and not to the talk page. The TfD ends up showing a lot of support for the internal change as well.  Ryan  Vesey 13:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I hadn't seen the TfD, didn't realise it had started (there's no indication of it on {{ wikify}}). See what the outcome is when that's closed. Worm^TT( talk) 13:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I have access to JSTOR through school, if you ever need a copy of a document, let me know.  Ryan  Vesey 04:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, what's JSTOR?  Adam Mugliston   Talk  07:38, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

( talk page stalker) JSTOR! Pam D 07:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Kinda busy to do that. Thought I'd ask and come back later when I have an answer.  Adam Mugliston   Talk  07:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

You are too busy to click on a link and read the first sentence? "JSTOR (short for Journal Storage) is an online system for archiving academic journals, founded in 1995." Instead, you have time to write a relatively rude reply to one of my talk page stalkers? I'm not impressed. Worm^TT( talk) 09:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

On another note, it's time for my weekly Popups plug. Using popups would allow you to figure out what JSTOR was in about 10 seconds. In any case, it's a great resource which Wikipedia occasionally gives out in the same manner as Highbeam, Credoreference, and Questia except there are less subscriptions available.  Ryan  Vesey 15:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh and Ryan, thank you very much. I might well take you up on that offer! Worm^TT( talk) 09:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I saw you on the waiting list so I left a note.  Ryan  Vesey 15:56, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh my, I would LOVE to have access to JSTOR, I sure wish an individual could still get a subscription. Shearonink ( talk) 14:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

You should add yourself to the list, have you signed up for any of the other services available at Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library?  Ryan  Vesey 14:30, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Can someone help me set up archiving for this page: Talk:Citroën C3 Picasso. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 16:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd advise doing only manual archiving for an article talk page. Articles are only archived automatically if they have very active talk pages and it is absolutely necessary.  Ryan  Vesey 16:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Cool...how do i do that Ryan?? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 16:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

This section explains it better than I can. Help:Archiving a talk page#Cut and paste procedure.  Ryan  Vesey 16:29, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Gave up, it's a minor issue anyway and i'm the biggest contributor on the talk page. Thanks though Ryan ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 12:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

It's fairly simple Jenova... I'm sure you can manage. You just have to cut the sections and paste them to Talk:Citroën C3 Picasso/Archive 1. I'll do the first one for you! Worm^TT( talk) 15:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm unsere i can do this. I already tried twice and even tried copying what i saw on other articles. I'm the biggest contributor to the talk page anyway so it's not a big deal. Thanks Dave ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Really? I've done one for you. Just click edit section on the section you want to archive. Cut (ctrl-x), save. Got to Archive, click edit, paste at end (ctrl-v). Ta-da! Worm^TT( talk) 15:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh that's manual archiving. Can't you just set it to automatic every time there's something that hasn't been added to for say...2 months? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 18:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Think you could take a look at the interactions between User:Still-24-45-42-125 and User:Belchfire. Both editors seem to be hounding eachother and Belchfire has effectively banned Still-IP from his talk page; however, he still continues to comment on Still-IP's talk page [2]. I'm neutral on the issue, but I feel both editors would find me on the other guy's side, so I thought I'd ask you for you opinion. I don't think admin action needs to be taken, but I do think some mediation needs to occur. If you want, I can try to find more history between the two, but most of the relevant history can be found in their talk page histories and at Wikiquette assistance.  Ryan  Vesey 16:14, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Just checking, did you see this?  Ryan  Vesey 13:15, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I did. I saw it a week or so ago... am well aware of the mess across lots of pages. It's on my "I should look into this properly and do something about it, but I'm really quite busy so I also hope the problem will either go away or someone else will deal with it" list... along with more than one other thing. Not a list I like to have at any decent length :( Worm^TT( talk) 13:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

What's one of the other things, perhaps I can shorten this list.  Ryan  Vesey 20:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm trying to get my head around this topic, where I have adoptees on both sides of the discussion. I basically need to work out what's going on so I can help point the right way forward. However, the depth of the article and discussions is making my head ache. I'll get there.. I'm sure. Worm^TT( talk) 12:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll hopefully read over it sometime, I've always been interested in DID (it might be one of those that I print out and read on a drive somewhere when I'm not driving of course). I woke up this morning to find an edit warring report of Still by Belchfire followed up with an ANI report of Belchfire and Lionelt by Still. I swear, they leave no noticeboard unturned when a hint of a dispute arises. We need something arbitrary like warrior a can only edit articles starting with a, c, e, g, i... warrior b can only edit articles starting with b, d, f, h, j...  Ryan  Vesey 12:37, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it's silly season wrt politics at the moment, and it's only going to get worse as the American elections plow on. I'm pretty sure people are going to end up blocked as POV warriors and headaches will be had all round. One big mess at a time, eh? ;) Worm^TT( talk) 12:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not appreciative of this hostile tone taken towards a new editor who did not seek this as they are. Instead, the editor went to the article and got caught in the crossfire. Probably not blockable, but still...  Ryan  Vesey 13:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I've got to say, I can no longer declare myself neutral, but I believe Still has gotten disruptive to the point of being blockworthy. In addition to POV pushing and massive reversions that have resulted in multiple trips to edit warring noticeboards, he has been disruptively editing other peoples' comments and hatting comments that he doesn't like. I can honestly say that my editing experience is much worse since he started editing than it was before and I'm not even actively seeking him out. He keeps showing up on my radar with his disruption. He claims that there is a massive conspiracy to get him blocked, but refuses to acknowledge that the problem might be on his end.  Ryan  Vesey 20:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I mean, his battleground mentality is on the obsessive side. He is currently looking to change his username to StillStanding-24. It's almost an issue like the one we saw with YRC. He believes that every editor who disagrees with him is so out to get him, he becomes impossible to work with. Nobody agrees with someone on everything.  Ryan  Vesey 20:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

On second thought, I'll just start removing pages where he appears from my watchlist. Why let him ruin my enjoyment.  Ryan  Vesey 21:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave. I've seen sections of userboxes compressed in music articles but i was wondering if that can be done in any userbox? I wanted to compress the size and weight guides in the C3 Picasso article infobox. I realize i could just put a minimum and maximum but that would give out less information, which i would like to keep for now. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 10:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Poke ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 14:40, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Yikes! I'm sorry, I thought I answered this. I don't think you've seen "userbox" compressed on music articles, userboxen are those things you put on your userpage to let people know a bit about you. I've added some {{ hidden top}} and {{ hidden bottom}} templates in, is that the sort of thing you're after? Worm^TT( talk) 15:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I meant infobox...I never noticed i put userbox...facepalm. Thanks for sorting it though =D Have a nice friday and weekend! ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I've recently found a lot of articles that are being designated as "hate groups" with sourcing to Southern Poverty Law Center. I obviously have a bias, but I am curious as to whether SPLC's equally biased opinion that a group is a "hate group" is enough for the group to be labeled as a hate group in the article.  Ryan  Vesey 20:53, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

It'll generate a lot of media attention with many other sources listing all the "hate-group" stuff they've done and making the same accusations each time. But it's gonna be far more neutral to list it as a Southern Poverty Law Centre Hate-group than simply saying Exodus International (example) is a hate-group founded in bla bla bla...

Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 23:29, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan is the timing of this] a coincidence in this instance? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 23:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it's a total coincidence. On the topic of attributing it to Southern Poverty Law Center, I still have trouble giving the center credibility by including it's statement in all of the articles. The SPLC doesn't just call groups that are actively out to harm gays hate groups, it calls every group that has ever disagreed with gay marriage a hate group. Westboro Baptist Church is a hate group, the Family Research Council is not.  Ryan  Vesey 00:16, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Gut feeling is the Reliable sources noticeboard, but it might need something bigger. The other option is to look at somewhere like a MOS page and start an RfC... I'll have a think. Worm^TT( talk) 08:20, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

The Family Research Council actually is. They publish false facts about LGBT people and lobby congress about it. They go out of their way to harm LGBT and this is why the SPLC list them as a hate-group. Proof 1 2 3 4 5 6. There's a few and they weren't that difficult to find. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 08:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I think there's difficulties with the definition of "hate group", publishing false facts is not equivalent to rallying lynch mobs - but I think Ryan was giving an example, rather than a final definition. The question remains, should we accept one law centre opinion as final? Not a question for this talk page really, we need a few more eyes on the matter. Worm^TT( talk) 08:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

When multiple sources list it as a hate group without referring to the SPLC then i think we should. And these false facts are being used as a weapon and to lobby congress. They also aanounced they wanted to extradite all LGBT from America at one stage. Now put the shoe on the other foot and that's racist. We're not saying anything but what the sources do, and that's that it is a hate-group with dark intentions in the name of Religion. The SPLC is very notable so in this case again, yes it wouldn't be neutral at all to remove it when so many others are commenting on it and i feel it would be a gross violation of WP:NPOV and censorship. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:02, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Plus Ryan used the example of the Westboro Baptist Church being a hate-group, yet this Family Research Council is doing exactly the same thing but on a National scale and with huge financial backing. They're a miniature NARTH. I hope the irony of that wasn't lost ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

[TPS comment] Given the rather apologetic tone of the SPLC when discussing Black Separatist movements http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/black-separatist, it may be worth bringing them up in terms of sourcing (or simply noting that it is the SPLC that lists the FRC as a hate group). I'm not debating the hate or non-hate status of the FRC, just pointing out that SPLC certainly has a bias based in no small part on its roots and original purpose for organizing. I don't have the date in front of me, but I do recall it took them some years to list the Nation of Islam as a hate group (it may have come after some of the events in Jessie Jackson's presidential nomination bid in the 1980s). Just tossing out that in some ways their hate group list can be as controversial as the State Department's terrorist group list. Both have significant "blind spots." Intothat darkness 16:07, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, your RfC has been running awhile, and has generated a lot of comment.

And there's a lot proposed that's beyond (or different than) the simple question of de-adminship. (Which of course is fine.)

But going back to the original question of a community-wide process for de-adminship...

I'd like to see if you and I (and anyone else, I suppose) could list all the reasons for such a process. And also, all the reasons against having such a process.

So far, the reasons against seem to be (summarised/paraphrased):

• We don't trust the community as a group to make such a determination. Arbcom, as our "representatives", should instead solely handle this.
• We fear that admins could become more politically/diplomatically minded, and even mildly unpopular duties will cease to be performed, to the detriment of the project.
• Having the tools is seen (by those holding this view) as important, and the removal is considered a severe punishment.

Are there others you see?

The reasons for the process are numerous, but off the top of my head:

• Having a community de-adminship process to parallel the RFA process will serve to help remove the often negative tone of RfA.
• It will help reinforce the idea that (while use of the tools may be a big deal in certain situations) adding or removing the tools shouldn't be considered as much a fear-related big deal that it currently seems to be.
• It will help reduce the bureaucracy of the WP:DR process, while still not replacing it.
• It will be another way to help the community members to be more directly involved in the project.

And somewhat related to this: If the community can ban an editor, why can't it ask for certain tools to be removed from an editor?

Anyway, that's all off the top of my head after reading through the RfC discussions. I welcome your thoughts. - jc37 01:00, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I've intentionally left it alone for the past week or so, so I don't give the impression of steering the discussion too much, I really wanted some clear ideas of where things should go. I'll have a read when I can and see if I can come up with some points. Once we do have them, it's a case of working out how to present the information and what to do with it. Worm^TT( talk) 08:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I've been a little surprised that it hasn't attracted more attention. People love to talk about the idea, but when it is on the table, the herd thins out a bit. I had hoped for a larger number of people participating, based on the large number of people claiming that a lack of a process will be the death of Wikipedia. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 14:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

It was one of the reasons I wanted to do a proof of concept RfC. It was always possible that there are that many people who believe it's a necessity, it was the same people saying it over and over. I think there's enough opinion that it's worth taking further as jc37 suggests, but how far it will go, I don't know. Worm^TT( talk) 15:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello Sir. My name is arun kumar sharma. I am an INDIAN. I am highly interested in the military and military aviation and i am also very knowledgeable about it. So i want to become an administrator in wikipedia to get some essential rights which are required for me to editing and doing some other task. I swear that i will help to increase the reputation of the wikipedia. So sir, please nominate me for adminship and i will provide my 100 % efforts to improve the wikipedia. Thank You Sir. Please eat these strawberries these tastes good. Thank You again Sir. Arun sharma 101 17:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Arun. Welcome to wikipedia, it's great to meet you! Thanks so much for the strawberries, a delicacy I always enjoy with a little clotted cream or (if the mood takes me) balsamic vinegar.

Regarding becoming an administrator on wikipedia, that's a role which isn't given to many editors, which gives them a few extra tools and allows them to - protect pages from editing, block editors and delete pages. Everything else can be done by you already - you will be able to create new pages, edit pretty much every page, take part in discussions and do everything you could possibly want to. I'm really glad to hear you have a good knowledge on the military, we have a wikiproject on the Military which you may well be able to help out at. Why don't you go there and see if there's anything you'd like to do? If you're unsure about anything, please do give me a shout. Worm^TT( talk) 12:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Arun, have you graduated from adoption? If so you can request a coach here [3]. If not ask Worm or some one to adopt you here [4]. --  RexRowan   Talk  18:57, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Dave can you confirm i've uploaded this one properly since it's my first time uploading a phone picture? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 19:26, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

My thought is that it is correct for the most part, but it may be necessary to black out the screen in the manner of iPhone and MacBook. That being said Galaxy Nexus uses an image that is not blacked out. If Worm doesn't know, I'm sure he'd tell you to go to WP:MCQ so you might want to go there for a quicker answer.  Ryan  Vesey 19:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I've seen most phone images without a blacked screen. There's about 4 like that just in Android (operating system). I don't see what real difference that makes. I was just a bit unclear what copyright status i should upload a phone under. Thanks Ryan ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 00:06, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, the design of the phone is always going to be under copyright (I believe), so why not upload a press image, which better demonstrates the look of the phone? All the pages you've shown have press images as their primary image, with all the clever touching up they do. As for the copyright status, it looks right to me, but as Ryan says, MCQ is the best place for answers on this. Worm^TT( talk) 12:57, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I've asked MCQ...I'm not the best at this copyright malarkey. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction you two ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 14:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I rarely nominate redirects for deletion, (redirects are cheap) but I was almost convinced to nominate HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA for deletion when I noticed it's been hit 700 times in 90 days. Not so implausible after all I guess.  Ryan  Vesey 16:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

See http://heyyeyaaeyaaaeyaeyaa.com/ for an explanation. Worm^TT( talk) 16:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Could you or another uninvolved admin chime in here here, and here and and here and review the evidence. I asked on that page for an admin to review it on that page, and at AN where it appears to have been archived without response. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 04:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey talk page stalkers! Could people who have a little time on their hands watchlist So Solid Crew? The list of members (which should be about 30) has got a bit silly this year. I've currently removed it from the article completely, but if anyone wants to help me build it up accurately... please do. Otherwise, any more eyes watching the vandalism would be good. Also, if you fancy a laugh [5] see how it was when I found it. Best vandalism I've ever seen :D Worm^TT( talk) 09:07, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

That was pretty funny. I've watched the page but i don't know enough about the band to disprove that Captain Birdseye and Super Mario weren't both members...Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:18, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm just currently updating the pages so that we've got a starting point. Watching it for obvious stupidity is all I'm asking :) Worm^TT( talk) 09:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Frosty the Snowman was in the band? Impossible. He obviously would have melted under the hot lights. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 09:19, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Given the number of posthomous members, perhaps he was used to keep them from smelling? Worm^TT( talk) 09:22, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Why is the fact that Boris Johnson was a member of So Solid Crew not in the Boris Johnson article? That seems an important stepping stone to his candidacy as Mayor of London.

And some of these rapper names are difficult to tell from joke names. Are we entirely sure "Al ballbag" is not a real person? ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps... just perhaps, we should assume that they're all wrong, and build it up with reliable sources? Worm^TT( talk) 09:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

It would be the best option in this situation. I can't tell if 3 quarters are jokes or real rapper names. Notorious BLT being a perfect example. I've heard of Notorious Big but is this a rapper too or a joke? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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Dave, just an idea but why not use the Members section for Previous members only and leave the current ones in the infobox. There's less names that way and no duplication. Plus it makes it easier to keep an eye on. Eh? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 10:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thought it was worth leaving them in the previous members section because they were notable enough to have their own articles... Agreed it's harder to keep an eye on, but I think it's a reasonable amount of information to keep there. Worm^TT( talk) 10:25, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, but the information in that section doesn't sync up with the infobox...There's a past members section in the infobox which will be very bloated if you use it. ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 10:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The only past members I've put in the infobox are blue links. If I've missed any blue links in the infobox... feel free to add them. Worm^TT( talk) 10:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The dark side is funny ;D--  RexRowan   Talk  13:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Worm and friends, would you like to display a userbox that I designed to support the WWC?

Much appreciated! :D --  RexRowan   Talk  07:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for this!  Ryan  Vesey 19:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Very nice but can you wikilink it to the project to make navigating to their page easier? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 12:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Have done, hopefully Rex won't complain. Worm^TT( talk) 12:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Of course not, you are my grand master! Excellent job! Anytime! :D --  RexRowan   Talk  13:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	I have been silently watching WP:CVUA for a while now and wanted to recognize the excellent advisory work that you have done there, especially in the context of reformatting user roles. That is a project that currently suffers from a lack of credibility. I think you have gone a long way to put them on the right track toward establishing that credibility. Trusilver 20:16, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Trusilver. I hope that they do alright, I can't help but support a group of enthusiastic editors banding together to help new editors, I just felt they needed a point in a more "wiki" direction. Worm^TT( talk) 21:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

You provide me a link for the Teahouse yesterday.Thank You for this.I am very glad for join Teahouse.But I don't know how to register or Join the Teahouse. So please guide me about it and also tell me how me find a coach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun sharma 101 ( talk • contribs)

Hi Arun, you don't need to register or join the teahouse, just drop into the Q&A page and ask a question! someone will answer! Worm^TT( talk) 20:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Can I use following reference in my first article Lottery_(short_story)

" http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ZLXvBlLbAEcC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false"

This link tells about the author, publisher of the book but it is in the google books.

If not than why ? because I have try so much but there are no very much information and reference about this hindi(India related) articles on the Internet.I read this story and I also have a pdf file of it.But there are lack of appropriate references for this article on the Internet. Can you help me ?-- Arun sharma 101 ( talk) 13:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Arun. You don't really need to use that as a reference, as it's a primary source and the information there is accepted in the article with the book as an implicit source. Just as you don't need to provide a source for the plot, or a source to state that A Christmas Carol was written by Charles Dickens, picking up the book is sufficient.

The sort of information you should be looking for is reviews, interviews with the author regarding the book, cultural impact and so on and so forth. If there's no coverage of the book in reliable third party sources, then perhaps it's not notable enough for wikipedia - it's not just a case of existing, it needs to be a notable book. The sources do not need to be in english, nor do the need to be online, if you can find information in books or in newspapers, that is acceptable also. I hope that helps a bit. Worm^TT( talk) 20:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Without blowing things out of proportion...it's a personal attack to call someone a troll right? Also I wanted to know if your knowledge of tables extends to colouring in sections and how i do that? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

It is. In fact, he should have stopped at red herring and ad hominem, adding "with a slice of troll" didn't improve his argument and turned his own response into an ad hominem. Just to be clear, he was referring to StillStanding (recent name change) not to you. As far as the tables are concerned, Worm will have to help you, but you might want to copy code from some of the tables at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Tables.  Ryan  Vesey 00:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I assumed the troll bit was aimed at me since i got involved in their discussion/argument.

I've found Template:Won but i'd rather know how to simply change colour than use this stuff each time. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 12:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan's summarised the troll point very well. As for the table, from Help:Table see below...

abc	def	ghi
jkl	mno	pqr
stu	vwx	yz

Does that help? Worm^TT( talk) 12:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, you've outdone yourself Dave =] I tried myself but all my tables on Citroen C3 Picasso are blue now instead of the calmer grey or powder blue i would prefer. Thank you very much ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 13:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I can't decide on the background colours...I was thinking either "#ABCDEF" or "Silver" for the headers. Your opinion? The tables at Citroen C3 Picasso are currently "#ABCDEF" (although ideally they could do with being a tad lighter). Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 14:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

You could consider #FOFFFF (Azure), It's a very light blue, it's pretty much white with a hint of blue.  Ryan  Vesey 16:36, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Note that Azure (color) depicts a different color than #FOFFFF. Scroll down to Azure (color)#Azure mist (web color azure).  Ryan  Vesey 16:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Turned out Champagne (color) was the best looker. Thanks All ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 11:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave!

I was wondering if you would allow me to request the reviewer userright to participate in the Article Feedback Tool Version 5 program. I helped with the development stage of the article feedback tool, and was sent a t-shirt for doing so. Without being a reviewer, I can't request oversight or hide Article Feedback Tool feedback. Per this.

Thanks! Thine Antique Pen ( talk) 11:23, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi TAP. I've got to say, the "Been there, done that, got the t-shirt" argument doesn't really hold too much water, I've been sent a fair amount of free stuff from the foundation for helping out in the past! However, I do believe that the reviewer right is a reasonable one for you, as you have indicated that you intend to help out at AFTv5. Consider this message an agreement that you can request the "Reviewer" right. Worm^TT( talk) 11:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Dave! I've requested it here (permalink). Thine Antique Pen ( talk) 11:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't really add much to be fair. I've used it very little and the feedback given is often positive. Good luck with your application though ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 12:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The reviewer right? It will be very important in 4 months.  Ryan  Vesey 16:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I've only found vandalism twice since i've had it ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 17:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

In the early days when I had rollback, Barack Obama constantly got bad feedback, the majority of it needing oversight. Thine Antique Pen ( talk) 17:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Bad feedbaack is different though. I've been promoting the bad feedback since it's more useful to update an article than the good feedback, which often consists solely of "good" or "great article". That's welcome feedback but can't aid the article much. Good luck with your Reviewer request! ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 17:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi,

I replied on my talk page, and suggested a commentary in Psychiatric Times Sybil Exposed: A Look at Dissociative Identity Disorder that explains why all this is controversial and why the psychiatric community is so divided. Hope you read the article (requires an easy sign up and is free), as it clarified for me the problems we're having. Best wishes, MathewTownsend ( talk) 20:44, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I did see your response :) I'm going to give myself a day or two's break from DID, but I'll have a look at it at some point. It's quite a mess, to say the least! Worm^TT( talk) 20:46, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

p.s. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Multiplicity (psychology) for an idea of the emotion behind fringe ideas about "Multiples". MathewTownsend ( talk) 20:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave! I've finished the Wikiqutte test. Also, I got praised here for my {{ nao}} comment at RFPP. Best, Electric Catfish 01:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC).

An insightful comment, which helped the admin. That's exactly the sort of thing I was hoping you'd do! Worm^TT( talk) 07:35, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. :) Oliver tells me you're looking for a liaisony person outside of his area, and "My role is to facilitate communication between staff and all the communities in every project under the umbrella of the Wikimedia Foundation, to help ensure that both sides of this important equation are pulling together towards our common goal." What can I do for you? -- Maggie Dennis (WMF) ( talk) 11:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Maggie! I'm not actually after anyone at all, I just happened to watch Oliver's page and thought he could have answered a comment better - gave him a suggestion for improvement. The thread is at User talk:Ironholds#Improving Wikipedia/WMF relations. Kudpung is clearly sore about how he's been treated over the past few years, whether or not his perception is accurate, it might be worth having a word with him. Having said that, I do think there has been a general reduction in the quality of community/foundation relations this year. The recent op-ed at the signpost is a fairly good summary of the problems I've heard about. If there's anything I can do to help out, you know where to find me... talking to people is something I'm good at! Worm^TT( talk) 11:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Really? You think there's been a reduction? That's surprising to me; I feel like things are improving. :) Granted, there's more open tension in some areas, but I think that this may be because the Foundation is talking more, which brings issues to the forefront. They've certainly focused on hiring more people to communicate - me, Oliver, BobtheWikipedian and now Sage Ross, for a few. They're collaborating more closely than I've ever seen with the community - for instance, on the new Terms of Use (they had planned a 30 day discussion period but stretched it to over 120 because of the response), with the Funds Dissemination Committee (bringing community members a greater say in how movement funds are spent) and the Wikipedia:Page Curation. I know that for various reasons not everybody is happy with the direction even of those (which speaking as Moonriddengirl I regard as clear wins), but I'm afraid that with a community as broad and diverse as ours, there's always likely to be somebody unhappy. :/ (I'm not suggesting that their viewpoints are wrong, either; just noting that we come from different perspectives and so there may be legitimate disagreement and 'outliers' on any issue.) -- Maggie Dennis (WMF) ( talk) 20:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Maggie, but it's always possible that I didn't have enough experience to know what the WMF was like before. My views can be summed up here. The WMF team gets a bad rap, but I've seen nothing but good and hard work come from there.  Ryan  Vesey 20:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I had a great time in DC - probably one of the most memorable of the 100s of international conferences I have ever attended, but unfortunately none of it helped to improve my perception of the Foundation's relations with the community. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 12:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you enjoyed it. :) It was certainly memorable for me, and nothing at all like I expected. I suspect that Foundation-community relations look different from different places. I spent most of my time talking to community members from around the world, and on the whole felt very positive about the interactions. Again, obviously, in a diverse community and particularly one that works on the scale that ours does, there are likely to always be points of tension and disagreement. If you talk to others who are involved in particularly tense issues, they will likely agree that relations are challenging, while those who are not may feel differently. But we see that at the "micro" level within the community as well. Some of the most rancorous disagreements I've been involved in as a Wikimedian have been as a volunteer. (I'm happy to say that I've seen some fences mended there, too.) Take last year's editor survey for example. Based on question 20A, there are almost 1300 people you could talk to who would tell you that they consider the feedback they've received from other editors a negative experience. That's a lot (and it certainly does represent a significant problem). But almost 4900 would tell you the opposite. What you come away with about community feedback may depend on where you stand in the room. :) There's plenty of room for improvement in WMF-community relations, but I think improvement is happening. I'll look forward to hearing the results of this year's editor survey, which will offer some fresh data on where the community stands. -- Maggie Dennis (WMF) ( talk) 13:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave! Are daycare centers speedily deletable (is that a word?) under criterion A7? I know that A7 doesn't apply to educational institutions, but are daycare centers considered education institutions and are therefore speediable as an A7? Thanks, Electric Catfish 00:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC).

Edit number 10,000! Electric Catfish 00:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, a daycare center is a business and is speedy deletable under A7.  Ryan  Vesey 01:03, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Ryan. Is a private school or a private university or college also speedable under A7? Electric Catfish 01:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Nope. All educational institutions are not speedyable. That said, if you find a non-notable primary school, you can redirect it to the school district or town article.  Ryan  Vesey 01:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ryan said it better than I could :) Worm^TT( talk) 07:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I decided to work on some other ships of the Parthian-class submarines (with an eye towards a good topic someday) and I started with HMS Pandora (N42). Would it be inappropriate for me to duplicate some content from HMS Phoenix (N96)? Particularly the parts I wrote that referenced the Parthian class as a whole.  Ryan  Vesey 03:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't see the problem, especially if you point out where it came from. I believe I did something similar with the first edit here, though that article's not live yet. Worm^TT( talk) 07:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave, is a warning enough for this user or do i push for a block? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 09:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I always go for a warning first, and push for a block later. Worm^TT( talk) 09:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You may also want to congratulate Swifty...Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 10:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll hold back my congratulations for the moment, mostly because I don't generally approve of assigning the blame to one person. Worm^TT( talk) 13:01, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Not all of the blame but he was certainly the most persistent and the reason it took so long. What Swifty did was still incredible though ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 13:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know I am returning to Wikipedia as a negotiator not a full time editor. It was brought to my attention that people on here maybe out to get me and it seems to look like it as every time I return someone wants to start some drama with me that day. I personally think I'd do better as a negotiator on here then an editor. ^_^ Swifty* ^talk 18:29, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Is that kind of like this administrator, who is an interlocutor, and has a license to prove it? Or more like The Negotiator or The Negotiator (novel)? I think that editing Wikipedia is an important part of participating as an editor. -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 22:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

I assume he means something like working with dispute resolution or mediation. He would be facilitating content creation. Having excellent mediators can be very important.  Ryan  Vesey 14:02, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

That's true, but I'm really not sure how valid this idea is. There are plenty of places one can edit content without getting into drama. If one can't edit content, even non-controversial content, at all without getting into levels of drama that one can't cope with, then sometimes one needs to look at why that might be, and fixing it. Choosing instead to insert oneself into other people's existing drama may not be a better option.

Then again, who knows, maybe it will work well? Some people only pick things they really care about to edit content on, therefore quickly become dramatic if there are challenges - but if faced with mediating a dispute they neither know nor care about, might find it easier to remain calm. That's the optimistic (naive?) way of viewing it :) -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 18:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

On the contrary, finding solutions on subjects I do not care about are easier to handle as I can show a third perspective that probably would not bias or could be considered unfair. Eg. Any subject on Taylor Swift I'd be pretty much considered bias on and my vote maybe unfair cause I am a fan of hers, (hints Swifty LOL!), though I have gotten into some disputes and helped make consensus where Swift's pages are concerned (Eg. I have helped out over subject matters of spacing the ever single into new paragraphs and adding a chart for every song that charted on Speak Now). So that can be considered a problem where as if I were to enter a dispute about Rihanna and her pages I could give a more honest opinion on the subject and there would be little to no controversy about my opinion as I do not work on her stuff and not particularly a fan (I only know and like one song by her called " Unfaithful" and I do not count one song as making me a fan.) ^_^ Swifty* ^talk 15:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

If you fancy doing negotiating and mediation then you should see if you are capable of ending the discussion/argument/content dispute on Talk:Homophobia which is getting close to 5 months long now...=P Great to see you back Swifty ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Whoa Whoa whoa! Let Swifty find his feet as a negotiator before putting him into that! Good luck in this endeavour Swifty, let me know if I can be any help :) Worm^TT( talk) 20:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Will do Dave. ^_^ Swifty* ^talk 21:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Dave you should give him more credit. By all accounts he appears to have finally ended it. It's amazing for any one editor to manage that, let alone someone who only started the job a couple days ago... ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 12:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Aw shocks... ^_^ Swifty* ^talk 23:02, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I reviewed a few articles and TSU told me anyone can review articles, is it different from being a reviewer? Thanks! --  RexRowan   Talk  16:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Rex, are you talking about patrolling pages using Special:NewPagesFeed?  Ryan  Vesey 16:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ryan, yes. :D --  RexRowan   Talk  16:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

First, yes everyone can patrol articles (The actual term for it). Just make sure you've read WP:NPP. Being a reviewer is different. Starting in December, pending changes will be in place. That means someone can make a change that won't actually take place on the page until someone (a reviewer) comes along and okays it.  Ryan  Vesey 16:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining to me. I yet to discover what's my best role here, maybe making userboxes :D --  RexRowan   Talk  16:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Just keep trying stuff out Rex! Have you tried writing an article? It's surprisingly fulfilling once you're getting somewhere. Worm^TT( talk) 07:50, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I dived in last month to rock this party, hehehe. I wrote a new article about Young Engineers, Adam thought it was well sort after. But it was deleted due to the organization panicked after they saw me put up an website, a blog, a merchandise for my club and a wiki page for the mothership within a week. They didn't know I had autism and thought I was Doctor Evil, the HQ called me up to delete everything and start over again under their supervision. They did want an article to be put up so maybe I will recover that article soon or tutor the ladies in the office how to edit, maybe I will hand them to you, hehehe. I also expanded this stub Llansaint with my own photos, rate me and write feedback please guys!--  RexRowan   Talk  14:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I just got hooked on editing and tagging the recent changes. Article creation is kinda interesting too though. Almost 1 in 12 of my edits since i've been here (and according to my edit count) is on my pet project Citroen C3 Picasso even though i don't drive or have an interest in cars...Try a bit of everything and see what you enjoy! ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 14:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

You don't drive or have any interest in cars?!? I know the gas prices are higher over there, but how do you get around?  Ryan  Vesey 14:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Besides our excellent public transport systems, us Brits have these very useful items attached to our hips Worm^TT( talk) 15:00, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Everyone knows that humans didn't have legs until they evolved in order to press the pedal on a car. Do rural communities have public transport or does everyone there have a car? I know some people who live in cities who never got a license because it's more trouble to have a car than it is to use the bus system.  Ryan  Vesey 15:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, rural communities have more cars than the big cities, but I know plenty of people who don't drive, even in the smaller towns. Pretty much every community has at least some access to some sort of public transport. Nothing like america though, I stayed at a hotel in LA and was given some very odd looks walking a couple of miles down the road to Hollywood Boulevard! Now, I'm not a small guy, but that's not worth driving! Worm^TT( talk) 15:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Try writing an article about a ship. I never thought I would've enjoyed writing them so much, but it's pretty enjoyable. There's nothing very controversial about them and there are a wide range of google books sources.  Ryan  Vesey 14:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I catch the bus, use taxis or ride a bike (You should see my thighs =P) and i'm almost run down about 3 times a week by idiot drivers who don't know how to use either their indicators or mirrors and drive in cycle lanes. Petrol is expensive? Good! Less idiots for me to deal with when i go out...Boats are very controversial, Titanic? Costa Concorda? Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for your excellent suggestions. I am into userbox, tables and graphs making. Here is my recent table of the Classical Chinese Service Awards [6]. It is very difficult, like Latin, do not try it at home unsupervised by Confucius, it will mess with your head. Also, I think there's a one man band who runs that entire site due to it's a dead language. --  RexRowan   Talk  15:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Very interesting...made me hungry looking at all that chinese too...If that's what works for you then good luck with it Rex! ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:27, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks like a takeaway menu isn't it? Maybe I should do that part time for my local takeaways for free chicken balls --  RexRowan   Talk  15:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ha ha...And prawn crackers! ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 15:54, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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I'll be talking to my school when I get back to see if they'll get Credo. Then I could turn mine in.  Ryan  Vesey 21:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Pam. It's a bit of a trip to my local library (though Lancashire's scheme is good, there's a library van that turns up every so often!), and since the majority of my work is done when I wouldn't have access to the library... it's a more than a little pain. I'll be willing to turn it in after a little while - I do believe in the share and share alike idea! Worm^TT( talk) 07:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

No, I obviously wasn't clear enough: your local library service almost certainly offers online resources you can access from home! All you need is a library ticket number to log on with. Are you in Lancs? If so, see http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/onrl/premiums.asp. Credo is listed as "Literati Credo". There are a few resources which are only available inside libraries, notably the family history service Ancestry.com, but you can get at most stuff from any computer anywhere. Pam D 07:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

It does? I didn't realise! I'll look into it over the weekend, and put my sign up on hold. Worm^TT( talk) 07:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure you're not the only UK Wikipedian who doesn't realise! Have added a note at Wikipedia_talk:UK_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Credo.2C_OED.2C_Times_archive_etc_available_from_home to try to spread the word. Pam D 08:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

If you do have it, give it to Dr. Blofeld! It's a shame that he didn't receive it.  Ryan  Vesey 16:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

I think this ICT article is badly written compare to this one IT, can anyone expand or improve it? --  RexRowan   Talk  20:28, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Can I suggest you? There's a lot of articles out there to improve, if you think it's badly writen fix it! (Yes, I'm aware they both link to the same page, I thought it was worth saying twice!) Worm^TT( talk) 07:46, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, brain surgeon coming through to fix someone's brain child. Darn, my assistant only got a chainsaw in her tool box. --  RexRowan   Talk  14:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave! First of all, I've decided to stop the UAA and AIV clerking for the most part for the time being because as a non-admin, there's very little I can do. Also, I've noticed that I've made many more AIV and UAA reports lately. Also, I've been working in CAT:BLPPROD trying to add references to BLP-PRODed articles. Lastly, to promote an article to B or C class (based on the standards at WP: ASSESS), do you need to have someone else review it (like a GA), or can you just promote it yourself if it meets the standards? Thanks, Electric Catfish 14:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC).

If it meets the standards, there shouldn't be a problem with promoting it, but double checking with the appropriate wikiproject wouldn't hurt, especially at first. Worm^TT( talk) 14:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, fine. I don't think I'll be able to get a GA, but I think that doing "gnoming" and having a few B class articles is respectable. Thanks, Electric Catfish 14:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC).

Hello worm YOU know that I am new on WIKIPEDIA.So I am not much experienced till now.I am looking for a adopter who would taught me about the wikipedia and related things.So I thought that if YOU become my adopter than it will be better for me, because I know you little more than I know other admins and you seem to be more friendly than others. So please be my adopter and taught me useful things about wikipedia. I just started my second article i.e. Gajar ka Halwa(Indian carrot halwa). You please see it on my sandbox and give your views. I want to make it a good article or at least better than my first article ( lottery (short_story)) so I am putting a lots of effort on it.This article is now at starting phase ; I will complete it soon.

So please think on my adopt request. Thank you.-- Arun sharma 101 ( talk) 16:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

hey, Worm! Please consider this guy's request. I taught him how to sign his signature by uploading the signature icon so he could see. He writes good articles for a newbie from another country and seems to learn fast. Very pleasant to work with. Good judgment. He writes articles on good Indian authors (famous in India) that we need on the encyclopedia and who knows how many other subjects. Best wishes, MathewTownsend ( talk) 11:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry both, but I'm struggling with the amount of adoptees I have as it is, let alone thinking about taking on more. I'm afraid I've just got no scope to manage. Have a look at WP:ADOPT to see if there's anyone else though... Worm^TT( talk) 12:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

ok, thanks for answering! MathewTownsend ( talk) 12:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, Worm. Thank You for answer. I can understand that you are very busy now, I will find another adopter soon or you can suggest me one and thank you mathew for support me.-- ARUN SHARMA ¹⁰¹ Talk | Email 15:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

[redact as not funny] MathewTownsend ( talk) 21:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! That works =] I was about to use #DCDCDC but your selection was better. I used it on the other table also but it changed the formatting of keeping all the headers central...I don't know how to change that...If you do i'll reward with the automotive barnstar? (That's right, blatant bribery) Thanks again ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 11:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I doubt I need a barnstar, why not spread the wikilove a little by finding someone who deserves one and giving them one :) Worm^TT( talk) 11:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

I've run out of people. I even gave Lionelt some. Besides, you are deserving! ツ Jenova 20 ^{( email)} 11:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

	The Automotive Barnstar
	...But you are deserving Dave! You go above and beyond just mentoring your foster kids and teach them everything they need. And Citroen C3 Picasso wouldn't be a good article without you around. Thanks ツ Jenova 20 ( email) 11:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

TheGeneralUser ( talk) 18:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

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 Happy editing! Automatic Strikeout 20:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dave. I have a proposal at the village pump about introducing a color scheme to the text editor so it is easier for newer editors to differentiate between different kinds of syntax, particularly references. I'd welcome your feedback at the village pump. I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 01:28, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Worm! I was wondering if we could put the copyright test on hold until I finish the rest of the adoption course. I'll still have to take it, but I'd rather take it after I've finished the easier lessons, as image copyrights are my biggest weakness here. Best, Electric Catfish 19:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC).

Hi Worm! Thanks for being a host at the Teahouse! We're working on the Host lounge renovations and we've created a new way for hosts to become hosts. Please take a few minutes and test it out here, by creating your new host profile. It's also a good excuse to update your image, quote, and information about yourself :) You can join in on the host discussion about the new feature here. See you at the Teahouse! SarahStierch ( talk) 19:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Done. Worm^TT( talk) 09:51, 28 August 2012 (UTC)