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Sigurd Hring
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Hello, Sigurd Hring, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages you might find helpful:
- Introduction
- The five pillars of Wikipedia
- Contributing to Wikipedia
- How to edit a page and How to develop articles
- Simplified Manual of Style
- How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard is warmly recommended)
- Discover what's going on in the Wikimedia community
- Ask questions at Wikipedia Teahouse (a user-friendly help forum)
- And feel free to make test edits in the sandbox.
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your name on
talk pages using four
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leave me a message or place {{Help me}} on this page and someone will drop by to help. Happy editing!
Sam
Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
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A cup of Oolong is waiting for you
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Hi Ziggy,
I noticed that your signature lacks a link to your user talk page, as is customary. At the moment it reads: Ziggy (talk)
I recommend that you change it to
Ziggy (
talk) by going to your Preferences (using the link at the top of the page), scrolling down to where it says New signature and copy/pasting [[User:Sigurd Hring|Ziggy]] ([[User talk:Sigurd Hring|talk]]), remembering to click Save at the bottom of the page.
Note that the talk part is only shown bold and unlinked here because this is your talk page. For more information see WP:SIG. Cheers. nagual design 12:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hello again,
User:Nagualdesign, and thank you. I changed the default signature when I was going through the preferences first time and got it half right, it seems! Well spotted and thanks again. It works okay now, I think.
Ziggy (
talk) 16:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're welcome.
nagual
design 16:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- (
tps)
Beautiful signature, nd!
Sam
Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks,
Sam. Funnily enough you're the second person to say that in as many days!
[1] All the best for 2018,
nagual
design 20:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
-
You are too modest now, SchreiberBike's
kind comment was also posted on the 4th.
No wonder you are professional, that signature looks so well balanced. Your participation at the recent AFD of
Hamburgevons could have been interesting. The AFD discussion was a real chortle inducer with poor delete arguments piling up like a multi-car collision on a foggy London morning including
NOTNEO, "
no Google News hits",
PERNOM,
NOTDIC, and
ONEDAY. Happy Ney Year to you too!
Sam
Sailor 03:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC) P.S. @Ziggi: The Hamburgevons AFD is in many ways a typical example of a flawed nomination where, I dare say, all delete arguments are sub-standard.
- Ah yes, you're right! But I'd read the first one before I went to bed one night and then read yours the following day (in my head at least). I just read that
AfD and it was rather amusing. It's a shame that some editors are willing to flip in their two cents with barely a thought, or at most they've searched for a
WP:SHORTCUT to support their knee-jerk opinion rather than expending the same amount of effort looking into things before forming an opinion. Having said that, I kinda like it when idiots stick their heads above the parapet as it makes them easier to count. It's a bit like asking, "Are there any dickheads in here?" and getting a show of hands!
nagual
design 03:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ah yes, you're right! But I'd read the first one before I went to bed one night and then read yours the following day (in my head at least). I just read that
AfD and it was rather amusing. It's a shame that some editors are willing to flip in their two cents with barely a thought, or at most they've searched for a
WP:SHORTCUT to support their knee-jerk opinion rather than expending the same amount of effort looking into things before forming an opinion. Having said that, I kinda like it when idiots stick their heads above the parapet as it makes them easier to count. It's a bit like asking, "Are there any dickheads in here?" and getting a show of hands!
-
You are too modest now, SchreiberBike's
kind comment was also posted on the 4th.
- Thanks,
Sam. Funnily enough you're the second person to say that in as many days!
[1] All the best for 2018,
nagual
design 20:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- (
tps)
Beautiful signature, nd!
Sam
Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're welcome.
nagual
design 16:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ziggi. Neither your contributions nor SUL info gives me a good clue about which WikiProject to invite you to. I presume any one or multiple of the following may apply:
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Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Denmark, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Denmark-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
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Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Iceland, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Iceland-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
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Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Norway, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Norway-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
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Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Sweden, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Sweden-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
Overwhelmingly template'ish, I know, but feel free to remove them again from here per WP:UP#CMT. An even better solution is to set up archiving: Check out {{ Setup auto archiving}} and let me know, if I can help. Sam Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Finally a few words on deletion before I'm out of here. Both the policies and the processes that are in use on English Wikipedia can take quite a while to get to know and get used to. One place to start is with the essay Introduction to deletion process.
There's a lot to be learned from looking at how other editors opine at the consensus-driven part of the deletion process, articles for deletion:
 |
|
|
and we are certainly undermanned in the Nordic department, so perhaps you'd like to watchlist these pages:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Denmark
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Iceland
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Norway
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sweden
A very common reason for deletion is lack of notability. I have found it useful to jot down notes here in regards to the notability guidelines.
Two points are, unfortunately, often forgotten by both some nominators and some participating !voters at AFD: an article may look UGLY, but (a) "notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" cf. WP:NEXIST, and (b) the existence of suitable sources is only discovered when we go searching for them, and that's a vital part of WP:BEFORE. An inexcusable number of the articles listed here should never have brought to AFD in the first place.
If you have any questions, PING me here or drop me a line on my talk page. Happy editing. Sam Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Sam Sailor:. Thank you, Sam. This is great and gives me plenty to think about. I need to look closely at the various projects but it is history that interests me the most. I am certainly interested in the histories of the Scandinavian countries. I think my deletion request was perhaps over-enthusiastic and the responses were interesting. I need to understand exactly what qualifies an article as notable because this seems to be the main issue in the deletion topics I've seen. It is a little surprising as notability is not one of the core policies. I will do some research to increase my understanding. The edits I'm doing so far are really only intended to make improvements and I'll carry on like that as practice will help me to do more and better. Thank you again for your help and advice which is very much appreciated. Ziggy ( talk) 19:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Happy to help. My apologies for posting the wrong invites. Perhaps it was also your choice of username and username spelling that made me think you might be Icelandic. I realise now that the /hr/ digraph was also used in Old English. The History Project is at WP:HIST.
I need to understand exactly what qualifies an article as notable because this seems to be the main issue in the deletion topics I've seen.
That is correct, WP:DEL8 is by far the most common reason for deletion. Most often it is not mentioned at all directly, merely understood by a statement along the line "Subject fails <insert notability guideline> and searches for sources proved futile." Quick-and-dirty overview of WP:N (and grossly simplified):- A. The
General notability guideline, often just referred to by the shortcut
[[ WP:GNG]], is the "golden standard" so to speak. When an explanation of GNG is needed, Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything is often pointed to. - B. As English Wikipedia evolved over the past 16 years, the community via discussions developed and agreed upon more specific notability guidelines in certain areas. These are called Subject Specific Guidelines, see the blue box on the right, and we currently have 12 of these.
- C. Add to that the fact that precedence in some cases rules, see
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes (
[[ WP:AFDP]]).
- A. The
General notability guideline, often just referred to by the shortcut
- This, I think, is the broadest picture I am able to give you.
- So, to the question "exactly what qualifies?" there is in some cases a pretty fast and hard rule, e.g. WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES, I can't recall any species being up for deletion, and WP:PLACEOUTCOMES that gives a lot of leeway to even the most insignificant village. But in many other discussions the rules are not exact - if they were, someone would have developed a bot to evaluate the sources and rate the notability of the subject - and the decision to include or exclude are dependent upon the arguments made by the participating editors at AFD based on an evaluation of the available sources.
- You handled Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of legendary kings of Denmark fine the moment you saw a consensus building. One aspect not mentioned at AFD was WP:LISTOUTCOMES and the more detailed WP:CLN.
- Any questions? Just ask. Sam Sailor 03:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
As I mentioned to someone in a post earlier, considerable real life problems have arisen this week and I feel unable to continue using this site, especially as I am liable to make stupid errors with so much else to consider. I have dealt with my outstanding tasks here now. I am closing the account but I hope it will not be permanent. I've enjoyed editing Wikipedia these last few weeks and am sorry that I need to set it aside. Thank you to Sam and others who have helped me. Ziggy ( talk) 07:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Talk page stalker here. I just wanted to wish you all the best, and I hope that all your problems begin to evaporate forthwith. nagual design 21:24, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Wish you the best of luck, whatever the issues are. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of
Leslie Winston at the
Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath
your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
Yoninah (
talk) 00:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
| This user is busy in real life and may not respond swiftly to queries. |
Sigurd Hring
|
Hello, Sigurd Hring, and welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages you might find helpful:
- Introduction
- The five pillars of Wikipedia
- Contributing to Wikipedia
- How to edit a page and How to develop articles
- Simplified Manual of Style
- How to create your first article (using the Article Wizard is warmly recommended)
- Discover what's going on in the Wikimedia community
- Ask questions at Wikipedia Teahouse (a user-friendly help forum)
- And feel free to make test edits in the sandbox.
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your name on
talk pages using four
tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, please see our
help pages, and if you can't find what you are looking for there, please feel free to
leave me a message or place {{Help me}} on this page and someone will drop by to help. Happy editing!
Sam
Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
|
|
A cup of Oolong is waiting for you
|
|
Hi Ziggy,
I noticed that your signature lacks a link to your user talk page, as is customary. At the moment it reads: Ziggy (talk)
I recommend that you change it to
Ziggy (
talk) by going to your Preferences (using the link at the top of the page), scrolling down to where it says New signature and copy/pasting [[User:Sigurd Hring|Ziggy]] ([[User talk:Sigurd Hring|talk]]), remembering to click Save at the bottom of the page.
Note that the talk part is only shown bold and unlinked here because this is your talk page. For more information see WP:SIG. Cheers. nagual design 12:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- Hello again,
User:Nagualdesign, and thank you. I changed the default signature when I was going through the preferences first time and got it half right, it seems! Well spotted and thanks again. It works okay now, I think.
Ziggy (
talk) 16:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're welcome.
nagual
design 16:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
- (
tps)
Beautiful signature, nd!
Sam
Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks,
Sam. Funnily enough you're the second person to say that in as many days!
[1] All the best for 2018,
nagual
design 20:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
-
You are too modest now, SchreiberBike's
kind comment was also posted on the 4th.
No wonder you are professional, that signature looks so well balanced. Your participation at the recent AFD of
Hamburgevons could have been interesting. The AFD discussion was a real chortle inducer with poor delete arguments piling up like a multi-car collision on a foggy London morning including
NOTNEO, "
no Google News hits",
PERNOM,
NOTDIC, and
ONEDAY. Happy Ney Year to you too!
Sam
Sailor 03:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC) P.S. @Ziggi: The Hamburgevons AFD is in many ways a typical example of a flawed nomination where, I dare say, all delete arguments are sub-standard.
- Ah yes, you're right! But I'd read the first one before I went to bed one night and then read yours the following day (in my head at least). I just read that
AfD and it was rather amusing. It's a shame that some editors are willing to flip in their two cents with barely a thought, or at most they've searched for a
WP:SHORTCUT to support their knee-jerk opinion rather than expending the same amount of effort looking into things before forming an opinion. Having said that, I kinda like it when idiots stick their heads above the parapet as it makes them easier to count. It's a bit like asking, "Are there any dickheads in here?" and getting a show of hands!
nagual
design 03:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
- Ah yes, you're right! But I'd read the first one before I went to bed one night and then read yours the following day (in my head at least). I just read that
AfD and it was rather amusing. It's a shame that some editors are willing to flip in their two cents with barely a thought, or at most they've searched for a
WP:SHORTCUT to support their knee-jerk opinion rather than expending the same amount of effort looking into things before forming an opinion. Having said that, I kinda like it when idiots stick their heads above the parapet as it makes them easier to count. It's a bit like asking, "Are there any dickheads in here?" and getting a show of hands!
-
You are too modest now, SchreiberBike's
kind comment was also posted on the 4th.
- Thanks,
Sam. Funnily enough you're the second person to say that in as many days!
[1] All the best for 2018,
nagual
design 20:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- (
tps)
Beautiful signature, nd!
Sam
Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- You're welcome.
nagual
design 16:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Ziggi. Neither your contributions nor SUL info gives me a good clue about which WikiProject to invite you to. I presume any one or multiple of the following may apply:
|
|
Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Denmark, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Denmark-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
|
|
Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Iceland, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Iceland-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
|
|
Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Norway, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Norway-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
|
|
Hi! You have been invited to become a member of WikiProject Sweden, a WikiProject which aims to create and expand Sweden-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, visit the project page, where you can add your name to the participants list. Thanks! |
Overwhelmingly template'ish, I know, but feel free to remove them again from here per WP:UP#CMT. An even better solution is to set up archiving: Check out {{ Setup auto archiving}} and let me know, if I can help. Sam Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Finally a few words on deletion before I'm out of here. Both the policies and the processes that are in use on English Wikipedia can take quite a while to get to know and get used to. One place to start is with the essay Introduction to deletion process.
There's a lot to be learned from looking at how other editors opine at the consensus-driven part of the deletion process, articles for deletion:
|
|
|
|
and we are certainly undermanned in the Nordic department, so perhaps you'd like to watchlist these pages:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Denmark
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Iceland
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Norway
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sweden
A very common reason for deletion is lack of notability. I have found it useful to jot down notes here in regards to the notability guidelines.
Two points are, unfortunately, often forgotten by both some nominators and some participating !voters at AFD: an article may look UGLY, but (a) "notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article" cf. WP:NEXIST, and (b) the existence of suitable sources is only discovered when we go searching for them, and that's a vital part of WP:BEFORE. An inexcusable number of the articles listed here should never have brought to AFD in the first place.
If you have any questions, PING me here or drop me a line on my talk page. Happy editing. Sam Sailor 16:12, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ Sam Sailor:. Thank you, Sam. This is great and gives me plenty to think about. I need to look closely at the various projects but it is history that interests me the most. I am certainly interested in the histories of the Scandinavian countries. I think my deletion request was perhaps over-enthusiastic and the responses were interesting. I need to understand exactly what qualifies an article as notable because this seems to be the main issue in the deletion topics I've seen. It is a little surprising as notability is not one of the core policies. I will do some research to increase my understanding. The edits I'm doing so far are really only intended to make improvements and I'll carry on like that as practice will help me to do more and better. Thank you again for your help and advice which is very much appreciated. Ziggy ( talk) 19:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- Happy to help. My apologies for posting the wrong invites. Perhaps it was also your choice of username and username spelling that made me think you might be Icelandic. I realise now that the /hr/ digraph was also used in Old English. The History Project is at WP:HIST.
I need to understand exactly what qualifies an article as notable because this seems to be the main issue in the deletion topics I've seen.
That is correct, WP:DEL8 is by far the most common reason for deletion. Most often it is not mentioned at all directly, merely understood by a statement along the line "Subject fails <insert notability guideline> and searches for sources proved futile." Quick-and-dirty overview of WP:N (and grossly simplified):- A. The
General notability guideline, often just referred to by the shortcut
[[ WP:GNG]], is the "golden standard" so to speak. When an explanation of GNG is needed, Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything is often pointed to. - B. As English Wikipedia evolved over the past 16 years, the community via discussions developed and agreed upon more specific notability guidelines in certain areas. These are called Subject Specific Guidelines, see the blue box on the right, and we currently have 12 of these.
- C. Add to that the fact that precedence in some cases rules, see
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes (
[[ WP:AFDP]]).
- A. The
General notability guideline, often just referred to by the shortcut
- This, I think, is the broadest picture I am able to give you.
- So, to the question "exactly what qualifies?" there is in some cases a pretty fast and hard rule, e.g. WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES, I can't recall any species being up for deletion, and WP:PLACEOUTCOMES that gives a lot of leeway to even the most insignificant village. But in many other discussions the rules are not exact - if they were, someone would have developed a bot to evaluate the sources and rate the notability of the subject - and the decision to include or exclude are dependent upon the arguments made by the participating editors at AFD based on an evaluation of the available sources.
- You handled Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of legendary kings of Denmark fine the moment you saw a consensus building. One aspect not mentioned at AFD was WP:LISTOUTCOMES and the more detailed WP:CLN.
- Any questions? Just ask. Sam Sailor 03:09, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
As I mentioned to someone in a post earlier, considerable real life problems have arisen this week and I feel unable to continue using this site, especially as I am liable to make stupid errors with so much else to consider. I have dealt with my outstanding tasks here now. I am closing the account but I hope it will not be permanent. I've enjoyed editing Wikipedia these last few weeks and am sorry that I need to set it aside. Thank you to Sam and others who have helped me. Ziggy ( talk) 07:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Talk page stalker here. I just wanted to wish you all the best, and I hope that all your problems begin to evaporate forthwith. nagual design 21:24, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Wish you the best of luck, whatever the issues are. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of
Leslie Winston at the
Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath
your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
Yoninah (
talk) 00:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC)