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The PlayStation 4 does not use an AMD Vega GPU. Vega architecture was released long after PS4 was released in 2013. It uses a GCN 1.0 architecture, Pitcarn-based, 7870 equivalent GPU. The PlayStation 4 Pro uses a customized RX 580 equivalent GPU. Therefore the PlayStation 4 Pro's architecture would be Polaris based. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.55.88.40 ( talk) 08:48, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I appreciate your input...but I don’t recall ever saying otherwise on any of this. I really don’t follow all the hard tech info like this, so if I ever objected, it was probably just on the grounds of it not having a source. Anyways, it would probably be best to bring up concerns like this at the PS5 talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 16:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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KMWeiland ( talk · contribs) is trying to insert a giant, self-created family tree (Template:Fey family tree) for characters in the Ace Attorney series into various articles. I have left a warning on their talk page regarding OR/synthesis, but they don't think it is, and ignoring that, even if sourced, it's completely cruft. They have since inserted it into other articles along with additional original research. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 22:52, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@ ThomasO1989: You said it was "inappropriate for encyclopedic articles", as I understood it you were referring to my having added it to the character pages of those mentioned on it, and moved it to the main List of Ace Attorney characters as with other family trees. And it is not original research; this information is mentioned on the character pages and in List of Ace Attorney characters. KMWeiland ( talk) 23:38, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

OR or not, I can tell you with certainty thar it’s not appropriate for Wikipedia. Wikipedia largely focuses on “out-of-universe” writing. Things like this completely violate our ideas of writing about in-universe concepts. I recommend taking things like this to fan wikias or something. There’s reasons why stuff like this doesn’t already exist on Wikipedia... Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@ KMWeiland: I was about to respond, but Serge basically has stated the same thing. You have introduced other OR, such as stating a character died based only on your personal interpretation of game art (here). Please stop. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 23:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@ Sergecross73: In which case, why are there other fictional family trees on Wikipedia? KMWeiland ( talk) 13:12, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

It’s hard to say, without you pointing to an actual example, but I’d guess that those aren’t appropriate either. See WP:OSE. You can drive 100 MPH to work every day and not get caught. But as soon as you are, saying “other people do it too” doesn’t get you out of a ticket. Same concept here. It’s not even a close call. Either you can take our word for it. Or we can hold a community discussion on it. It’s up to you. But the latter won’t be fun. Instead of 2 people telling you it’s not appropriate, it’ll be like 5-10 people saying it to you. Sergecross73 msg me 13:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

So, I ended up finding a number of problematic templates, so I brought it to community discussion, which immediately sent it off to a deletion discussion... Sergecross73 msg me 02:37, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey Serge. I saw on the Nintendo 3DS Comparison list that the original 2DS still had a current price listed for all regions, with the 2DS listed as discontinued. With Nintendo focusing on the current 2DS XL model only (can't actually believe that to be the case), should we either list the original 2DS as discontinued like the other ones? I mean, the whole 3DS line as a whole is going to be 10 years old next year, what're your thoughts on this? Should we leave until Nintendo announces something? Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 07:32, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

You know, I’m not entirely sure. It’s hard to tell which ones are in active production these days. You could ask WP:VG. Or, if you wait a while, I feel like they’ll all be out of production soon, and it’ll be easier... Sergecross73 msg me 14:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey man, I'm sorta back? Anyway, I wanted to ask you a question since you're the main contributor to it.

I think at one point I remembered saying your work on this article was probably GA-level. Before I go in for it, however, I'd like to ask your permission on it first. I'd like to run a peer review on it first, actually, but GA is the first goal. dannymusiceditor ^oops 03:35, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey, glad to see you’re back. Regarding NM, my only concern is that the band received VERY little coverage in their earlier years. That’s actually why I was motivated to rewrite the article - a blogger actually scoffed at the shape of the article’s bad quality and argued that it was a reason why they weren’t worthy of being nominated for a Grammy. I wrote it to prove them wrong. (Also I loved their last album.) Anyways, while I feel it was a success, there were some rather “bloggy “ sources that were used that I don’t know will hold up under close scrutiny. They were pretty routine claims, so I went with them, and there haven’t been any issues. But if any are deemed unusable, it could be hard to find replacement sources.

It’s up to you if you want to go for it. FYI, while I’m still around plenty in short spurts, I’m having a hard time finding time finding dedicated time for content creation these days. Just in a busy spell in life. Sergecross73 msg me 14:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Nominated. For GAN, I wouldn't be too worried. They're interviews with the band members, those usually are cut exceptions. dannymusiceditor ^oops 21:18, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good point. And like I was saying, I think they were mostly used for pretty ordinary claims - I dont recall anyone ever questioning anything in the article either. Sergecross73 msg me 22:03, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Please fact check before commenting, you lied about me not knowing how to wikilink pages, it was probably a old account.

FACT CHECK!!!, Another Wiki User the 2nd ( talk) 22:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@ Another Wiki User the 2nd: Old account? You need to disclose old accounts if you aren't doing a CLEANSTART. As for what Sergecross said, you clearly posted to WP:VG that you "can't get the link to work" which is what he was referring to. -- ferret ( talk) 22:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

OK. My parents took away my first account, and my other accounts I stopped using Another Wiki User the 2nd ( talk) 22:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about this edit, where you could not even link to your own WikiProject proposal. If you’d prefer that I revise my statement to cross out “wiki-link” and add “can’t even link to his own WikiProject proposal” just let me know and I’ll get it done. Sergecross73 msg me 00:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

User Isento has now made multiple comments towards me that could appear to be personal attacks. Here's the latest [1]. What do you suggest I do about his behaviour? He asked for input in a discussion... I merely gave my 2 cents and he's been attacking me ever since. I don't get it. SolarFlash ^Discussion 07:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, he’s one of those editors who straddles the line between rude and NPA in a way that keeps him out of any real trouble. He’s unpleasant, but it’s hard to take any action on rudeness. I just recommend saying your peace and then moving on to the next thing and not wasting your time with him. I suppose that can be easier said than done considering the scenario though, but it works for me since we don’t generally cross paths except for WikiProject or RFC type discussions. Sergecross73 msg me 18:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to this I'm no longer a member of that project, as I just don't need this kind of aggravation. So that should make it easier to stay out of his way. He certainly appears to have issues that likely transcend wikipedia. SolarFlash ^Discussion 18:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Please don’t let him scare you off, WP:ALBUMS is generally a pretty good place. Like WP:VG, it’s one of the few WikiProjects that is active enough to be helpful. And he’s not all that active there either. Sergecross73 msg me 19:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

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I'm not the only who doesn't agree with the edits of the specific user. Can you do something against BawinV now? He's trying to start a edit war again on the Ariana Grande page, because he's not getting his way on the Taylor Swift one. Please look at his changes, he got a warning a day ago, from the same editior that didn't agree with his edits. Thanks! Mirrored7 ( talk) 15:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I know. I’ve warned him that he is one more instance away from a block. Sergecross73 msg me 15:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

You know BawinV doesn't care about lead at all, and he only craves revenge because of the Taylor Swift article? There was no problem for weeks, until now. Regarding the Grande article, yes, my source was not the strongest, but should I really look for an article in which the word 'international' occurs, if you can literally read everything by numbers and see the difference in the other articles on her page, just so that BawinV can stop his vadalizm? You have to make sure that he's blocked for a week because he does it in a lot of Taylor Swift articles. You just have to look at its changes. He is clearly known for his vandalism. Mirrored7 ( talk) 20:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

He is making an effort to do things the right way, so you need to too. You’re both on incredible thin ice. Please just do diligence and discuss. Sergecross73 msg me 21:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi! I have come across two page moves that I would need admin help with due to redirects with histories, do you think you could help me out? First there's Draft:Vampire: The Masquerade: Swansong, which should go to Vampire: The Masquerade – Swansong, and then there's Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army, which should go to Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. the Soulless Army (because of MOS:TITLECAPS). These should be non-controversial, so asking you before starting any official Discussion™ about it.-- Alexandra ^IDV 22:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes ma’am! Both moved. Let me know if I misunderstood either. Sergecross73 msg me 22:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Haha, thanks. I specifically wanted Swansong to have an endash for its sub-subtitle though, as this is how the VTM games are referred to in RSs, but Devil Summoner looks good.-- Alexandra ^IDV 23:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn’t even notice that when I made the move yesterday. Was about to correct it, but someone else fixed it already. Sergecross73 msg me 13:43, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, no worries! ✨-- Alexandra ^IDV 14:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Can you watch IP 189.172.54.174 as he makes massive editing on the pages of the songs of the Cranberries at the moment. He modify all without justification. He is now on Dreams and Linger. He was blocked a few days ago for disruptive editing. Oroborvs ( talk) 12:27, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

If you want to block me just for tagging the single source article and unreferenced section, block now Mariyaismail ( talk) 16:27, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I didn’t say that, I was just saying that it’s more helpful to actually do something about it. Putting tags on obscure articles that don’t much visibility isn’t likely to be seen or acted upon. And some of the tags were unnecessary. You tagged a track list for needing a source, but track lists of released music generally don’t require them. You seem to be putting a lot of effort into doing things that aren’t helping. Would you prefer people not tell you, so you can keep doing things that are mostly wasting your time? Sergecross73 msg me 16:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Note: They've been blocked as a sock of Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah. -- Dane ^talk 17:19, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know! Sergecross73 msg me 17:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I gave User:$uperFan32 another warning about disruptive editing, due to a recent edit on Draft:A Better World (film). He made this edit even after been given a final warning by myself, you, and other editors. His editing habits need to stop. Cardei012597 ( talk) 01:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing it out. You are completely correct. I have blocked them. Sergecross73 msg me 01:31, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

User:$uperFan32, several times, moved unready drafts into the mainspace. User:Bovineboy2008 and I already warned User:$uperFan32 about this recent series of actions. Can you help? Cardei012597 ( talk) 04:11, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I’ve blocked them again, because disruptive draft editing was the reason for their first block. Let me know if it happens again (or if he starts discussing too. I told him I’d shorten the block if he shows an understanding of what’s going on and that he’ll stop.) Sergecross73 msg me 12:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Can you please restore the edits I recently made to the page List of best-selling game consoles for the Master System and Genesis. The figures I provided all had multiple citations, including some primary sources from late-1990s magazines for regional sales figures. These edits took several hours to make as I had to cross-reference all of the sources with their sources and their sources to trace back the original numbers in some cases. The reason for the high variance in the Master System sales numbers is because the models licensed by SEGA but released by TecToy in Brazil (still released to this day, though models after 2012 seem to mostly have only built-in games) are often excluded from the total sales numbers. The Mega Drive/Genesis number of 40+ million is much more accurate than the old '35 million' estimate, because the lower number also ignores Brazil sales figures AND excludes the Genesis Model 3 and Genesis Nomad models from the total. Much work was put into getting accurate numbers, and it seems that you simply reverted the page believing there to be a misunderstanding, when detailed notes were provided in the edits. - Matticus333 ( talk) 02:34, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

My concern is that Sega Genesis and Sega Master System are both Featured Articles - the highest rating an article can get, which takes the highest level of research and peer review too - don’t match with your figures. There should be parity. Can you post your proposals on the respective talk pages, and see if you can get a consensus on which sales figures to use? Sergecross73 msg me 02:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to ask, are you experiencing a slide to the left when editing this page, but not on the (M–Z) page? This issue also applies to both the Xbox One (A–L), but not the (M–Z) pages, and also a slight slide to the left on both the PlayStation 4 lists. Nobody has fixed it yet, probably won't even bother to anyway. I was wondering if you'd be able to fix it? I'm surprised nobody's mention this I don't think. I've been editing those pages for quite a while now and I don't know why this minor issue hasn't been fixed. Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 01:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

What resolution or platform do you use the view the lists? On my PC I don't have any slider bars. -- ferret ( talk) 01:40, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what resolution I use but the platform I use a Samsung Galaxy S9+. Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 02:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey, please read my proposal again.

I am suggesting we allow the percent recommended score to be used, which spans from 0 - 100 and is a very different metric than the critic average / metascore. MomentHeart ( talk) 20:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

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@ Sergecross73: I've started a discussion about you ( LINK) on the administrators' noticeboard. 208.53.231.158 ( talk) 00:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me after I already responded to you. Nice timing. Sergecross73 msg me 00:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I've been watching this user for a while now, but I'm very sure that SmashStar30 ( talk · contribs) is another sock of Fireball24fire ( talk · contribs), who was indef-blocked several years ago for uploading copyrighted images for decorative purposes. Not only does this user also "peck" at articles by making tons of tiny, unnecessary changes, if you take a look at SmashStar's upload log, you'll see that a couple of the images are poor representations of their subject matter. And, if you look at the description for each upload you'll see "Size change!" and other similar comments. Compare this to the upload log of this file that Fireball24fire would often change, and you'll see identical descriptions. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 04:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I can definitely see the similarities. If I remember right, it looks like he’s also uploaded the same or a similar image too - the MK8 starting line one. Seems like I recall that being deleted on redundancy/not really illustrating much type grounds a ways back. Pretty close to a DUCK situation, but I want to interact with them some first. Sergecross73 msg me 13:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

So he literally just admitted to block evading... he still hasn't learned that competence is required, I see... -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 18:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I like to talk to sock suspects first, because they often say little things that are indirectly incriminating. I’ve...uh...never really had it work so quickly and directly before. But as you say, there’s a massive CIR issue though. I’m prettt sure this isn’t the first sock of his we caught. I feel like his other one still has 24s in his new name. Sergecross73 msg me 00:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, there was another sock that you had blocked in 2018, FireStorm28 ( talk · contribs), and he exhibited the same clueless behavior when confronted. Before he was Fireball24fire, he was 22dragon22burn ( talk · contribs), which hasn't been blocked but hasn't been used since 2012 or 2013. -- ThomasO1989 ( talk) 01:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

First of all, by reverting my edit you simply had added incorrect information to the article. You can easily check the issue where that interview was priented and find out that date in the article is incorrect.

Secondly, I tend to doubt that information from year 2005 has any encyclopedic value at all. As it was recently mentioned in a documentary, this album was selling about 20 000 copies each year since its release up to our days, so the real count of sales is drastically different to what is going to be mentioned in the article if you put this note back.

Sadly I couldn't find the precise count of sales. Overall, I think it would be better to remove an outdated information at all. So please, consider reverting back your revert.-- Zukazaka ( talk) 20:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Sales figures are hard to come by, and that’s the most recent, and therefore, most relevant, sales figure. Just correct the year. Sergecross73 msg me 20:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. I saw that an article you created, She Couldn't has not been added to any categories. According to the guideline Wikipedia:Categorization, every article should be in at least one category. Please help by adding categories to the articles you create. You can take a look at the categorization FAQ. If you need further help, ask at the Teahouse. Thank you. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 23:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk about templating regulars lol. Almost easier to just add a category. I did one for fun. -- ferret ( talk) 23:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

( edit conflict) What are you doing, man? Jax 0677. We’ve interacted for many years. You know I’m not new. You must know of WP:DTTR. In the time you wasted notifying me, you could have just added a category yourself. Why do you spend your time the way you do? Come on... Sergecross73 msg me 23:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Reply - sorry man. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 23:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Segrecross73, hope you are doing well. I've come across some of your recently created articles and thank you so much for your devotion and work in building them, specifically the rock-related ones. However, I've also noticed you tend not to fill in refs, such as at Atlas Falls and Tickets to My Downfall, among others; this, as you may know, this threatens link rot. Could you please kindly consider filling out refs in future? I know it's not a must and you're not obliged to, but per WP:Bare URLs which, although not a guideline, list reasons why, there are some benefits from doing so and as I said, avoids linkrot. On another note, when creating articles, could you please try add the works (songs, album, etc) to their parent articles, ie discography or artist pages, but also to artists templates? Such as here, as other users may not come across the articles immediately and it helps for navigation. I know you're a regular and don't mean to order you, this advice is purely coming out of a good place. Trust you understand Thank you. Regards, AshMusique ( talk) 21:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Do keep in mind that it's a collaborative project. No one is expected to do every little task and observance that might go into a new article. If someone is taking the time to create an article from nothing, I think you can begrudge it if there's a few optional details left that other editors can easily handle. Expecting 100% perfection that a content creator to hunt down and perform every backlink and navbar that might be needed is a bit much, in my view. Anyone can handle bare urls, Serge did the hard work of finding them in the first place. -- ferret ( talk) 21:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Ferret With all due respect, I don't think your messsage is warranted. I certainly am not expecting "100% perfection" or anything of the sorts, and I think my message pretty clearly stated that. This wasn't criticism or an attack on Sergecross73's editing, it was done in good faith as I've noticed it's a pattern in their editing. I asked them to "consider" and "try" and also stated they are not obliged to do so; as you stated, it's a collaborative project, and it was merely advice, nothing wrong with that. AshMusique ( talk) 22:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ash. Thanks for your comments and concern. In regards to not linking songs/albums/artists, that was merely an “oops”. Time constraints and happenings kept me from doing it at the time, and I forgot to return to do it. I usually do it. (Beyond what you say, I generally do it because it leads to more visibility, and as such, more people reading my work, which is the whole point of article creation really. So don’t worry, I’m generally motivated to do it.)

On the contrary, with the bare link stuff, it’s as ferret says. It’s a volunteer project, and I chose to spend my time in ways that I feel are most beneficial or enjoyable. Full citations isn’t one of those things. Nor does it need to be. There’s a bunch of other editors who work on those sorts of things. Not that I’m “dumping my work on them” either. They can opt out if they don’t want to. I never even ask them to begin with, and am completely okay if they don’t. But between others doing it, and having so few issues stemming from link rot in these last 12 years, I’m not concerned about it. Sergecross73 msg me 22:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

This editor, User:$uperFan32, has returned to making unconstructive edits. Mainly, he is linking separate drafts within another draft article, like on Draft:Jacob and the Sea Beast. This is really getting bothersome. Cardei012597 ( talk) 19:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response. I agree that it’s irritating and not helpful, but I’m not sure I can take action on something so minor. They’re on thin ice though regardless. Sergecross73 msg me 18:51, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, there is this random user editing false informations into the page. Can you block him please? Thanks. -- Tobi999tomas ( talk) 19:26, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I protected the band and album article so IPs can’t edit them. Sergecross73 msg me 19:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

On 'video game lists by platform' it would be nice to keep it updated on which platforms are released or releasing in the future, for example, the intellivision amico is releasing soon i didnt know if i should list it as a platform? - on the bottom of every page of list of games, the template shows all platforms, would you help me and others keep things up to date, (you might know things we dont) thankyou on behalf of me and others like me :) thankyou! EzeeWiki ( talk) 01:21, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi there. Welcome to the website. Conceptually, it seems like what you’re suggesting would be okay. But technically I’m not even really sure what article you’re referring to. Sergecross73 msg me 01:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Thankyou for the reply, it is this here, /info/en/?search=Lists_of_video_games

as you can see we are missing a few platforms on (platform producers) it would be nice to keep things updated and refreshed, it would help me and alot of others, if you could help it would be amazing :) thankyou EzeeWiki ( talk) 23:23, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh okay, that link helps. Okay, so that article, if it were named more accurately, would be “list of video game lists”. It’s mostly listing video game lists that already exist. So, I imagine that Intellivision Amico isn’t on there yet because List of Intellivision Amico games doesn’t exist yet. It would probably be removed unless someone created the article. I imagine your next question may be, can we make the Amico list. My answer would be....maybe? It would depend on if there are many games announced so far, and if reliable sources talk about the games. Off the top of my head, the only game I know of is the new Earthworm Jim game. But I’m not following it very closely either. (Personally, new EWJ is the only thing interesting about the platform.) Sergecross73 msg me 00:09, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I have added some lists of platforms, i just wanted a list of all platforms that games were released on, i have done my best in trying to name them all,

maybe we could create an article about platforms, so all platforms are listed? its nice to know if you want certain information about platforms and which games are on them would be neat :) anyway i have got most of my information from this - /info/en/?search=Template:Video_game_lists_by_platform it names most of the games and which platforms them games was released on, (if you could maybe create an article about the platforms, that would help alot... thankyou! EzeeWiki ( talk) 00:14, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I dont know if your capable of creating a whole article about video game platforms, but if so.. it would be really nice to have a page on wikipedia that lists all platforms, so people can come on wikipedia and see all platforms, it would do wikipedia well and i dont know if im capable of doing it alone.. thankyou sir! EzeeWiki ( talk) 00:19, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, the explanation is simple. This mark ";" - I thought that it will be always used in order to not make the confusion between the instruments. For example, "drums, percussion" is more than one instrument, so in order to not be confused with other comma when you add another instrument that musician start in different year, you add the mark ";". It is used on all band's pages and guidelines for band members' instruments for this specific case. But some other user reverted my edit anyway so what's the point. I thought when I am helping with these things, other editors should be thankful for that, but instead, editors that are here longer than me will always do anything to revert it back, because they don't like it when it's not their way. That is really selfish to me and I can't understand that. So please, if you understand my point revert the other editor's edit to my edit. Thanks. -- Tobi999tomas ( talk) 06:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I don’t understand why you would't interpret a comma as separating the two in the same way though. Regardless, if you’re getting reverted a lot by more experienced editors, you should probably reflect on whether or not what you’re doing is necessary. I appreciate your interest in improving and adding to Wikipedia. But there’s a lot to learn in how the website works, and as long as you’re learning and editing high traffic articles concurrently, you’re probably going to get your work reverted or reworked a lot. Sergecross73 msg me 14:22, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

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