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Hi Sergecross, I see you were involved in this RfC about adding years to navigational templates, and commented on Jax 0677's talk page after ( User talk:Jax 0677/Archive 19#Years in music template). Jax now seems to believe (per here and here) that there was consensus to add years to navigational templates just because he voted that there should be. He linked me to the discussion on his talk page, where again, no user involved actually agreed, and where he said that he would only add them to templates he made—and as pointed out by Woodensuperman, this sounds like he thinks he has a right to, when that is against WP:OWN. I have reverted him per WP:BRD but I thought maybe you could clarify for Jax? I have tried to in the past but this is not the first time he has come up with his own idiosyncratic guidelines that apply only to how he edits despite there being no formal consensus on the matter. Ss 112 16:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey there. Just wanted to know if its alright to remove my own messages on other user's talk pages? Thanks. Namcokid47 ( talk) 18:05, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey I was wondering if you could check the Elvis singles article out. It looks confusing because some user decided to split the singles into different sections and he added a B-side section. I ask this because I like reading articles on Wikipedia and it really disturbs me that there is a B-side section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryan1518 ( talk • contribs) 01:05, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
i apologize for my actions from corrupted behavior by editing things i was very wrong i'm sorry. all i want is to edit the right corrections sources on concept albums and i just want to know if any albums is a concept album that is right source or wrong source, please just give me a chance. Johnny758 ( talk) 14:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
i edit the concept albums on t.i.'s album t.i. vs. t.i.p., it's a concept album and i didn't write the reviews on the editing of list of concept albums source on t.i. vs t.i.p.. is it a right source or wrong source just let me know if it's not good. Johnny758 ( talk) 20:11, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Now we really could use an admin's input at this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#"Single Album". Folks are reluctant to declare that a consensus has been reached due to the WP:INVOLVED rule. The consensus seems fairly obvious, and we need someone with authority to back up a change request at the Album Infobox template. Go forth as you see fit, or advise on other options. Thanks. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 20:28, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, could you please explain why you undid my edits to the page? The information contained in it was (and now is again) very inaccurate regarding the The Legend of Heroes / Trails series:
- The Trails in the Sky trilogy does not "collectively make up the sixth entry in the series". Falcom last used a numeral next to "The Legend of Heroes" when they first released Trails in the Sky (the first game in the trilogy), for Windows PC in 2004. For the PSP re-release in 2006 and every subsequent re-release, they dropped the numeral. The sequels, Trails in the Sky SC and Trails in the Sky the 3rd, never had the "VI" numeral in their name in any release ever. You can check the validity of this in Falcom's website, as well as the game box shots available on www.gamerankings.com .
- Likewise, Zero no Kiseki and Ao no Kiseki never had the "VII" numeral in their names, they simply released with "The Legend of Heroes" prefix, same as all games in the Trails universe. Again, it doesn't make sense to talk about these 2 games as "the seventh entry" in "The Legend of Heroes" series.
- The point of talking about "arcs" is exactly the very nature of the Trails series: all 9 games released so far take place in the same world, they share locations, characters, and an ongoing, overarching plot. The Trails in the Sky and Trails of Cold Steel subseries are 2 story arcs in this universe.
I suggest you first research about these games (Falcom's official Kiseki page and XSEED's Trails page are good starting points), take a more thorough look at my edit, and decide if it doesn't add clarity, accuracy and information to the page.
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.50.119.210 ( talk) 12:41, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Sergecross73. I hate to bring something like this back to you, but looks like we have a disruptive move case similar to what Flooded with them hundreds did (back under TheMagnificentist) with those discography redirects I made. Now, one thing I want to make clear is, you know I've had to accept users not wanting to create content over redirects I made. Whatever. But they need to do it the right way. The user MaranoFan has saw fit to move my redirect for Thotiana (which I have just reverted, in a bit of a stuffed-up round-robin move, but the point stands) to Thotiana (song), then create content over their redirect Thotiana. My redirect was not for a different topic (so they were not preserving page history, which would make sense), and they did not create the content in their sandbox or at a draft, a legitimate way of making content where you want credit. Instead, they did it this way, which is what got Flooded with them hundreds reprimanded/page move restricted. As you are an admin I consider experienced in this matter, could you please tell MaranoFan that this is not on and not the way to do it? I accept they, for some reason, want to make an article on a topic I've extensively edited, and that my redirect to tell them that this was a disruptive move will now be deleted—fine (I also did this in part because MaranoFan has told me not to post at their talk page). But this is not the way to do it. Ss 112 12:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) I just find it hilarious how big this is and the owner of the talk page hasn't even said anything. I'm not saying that he has to or anything, I'm just expressing both genuine, simultaneous laughter and bewilderment. dannymusiceditor oops 18:47, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry all, it was a crazy busy day over here. Will look through this shortly. Sergecross73 msg me 23:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Serge. We've got a problem with WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NOT#INFO. A few users, including myself, have been removing such fancruft from Power Rangers related articles, but AryanTheArticleArtist ( talk · contribs) and 7 qz ( talk · contribs), both relatively new accounts, have been reverting these edits. Can you please look into this? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 21:06, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi. As per my request on WikiProject Video games, you implemented page protection for Knack II on 24 January, to expire 7 February. Please could you extend the protection as it's only been 2 days from it being lifted that more vandalism has occurred. Thanks. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 13:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey @ Sergecross73:, I wanted to reach out and use your expertise on a few things. I'd also like to hear what others (@ Ferret:, @ Arkhandar:, @ Smuckola:) have to say if you want to include them or you want to move this conversation as it may be more appropriate somewhere else. It's long, so read as much as you feel welcome to get the idea.
Predicament: So you're likely going to be pissed at how unnecessary and absolutely trivial this is, but it's driving me crazy and I figured I'd ask: punctuation in video game titles. It's not important in the grand scheme of things and most people could care less, but going through the list of games and seeing them written out, I'm going insane. "Why doesn't that have a colon? Well, whatever. This one too! Wait, now this one has an extra colon!" This hurts me more than it should.
Upon investigating the Wikipedia pages for the games in question, the first one I went to conveniently had a (heated or, let's say, passionate) conversation that you were a part of. Mind you this was five years ago, but I agreed with several editors in how Fire Emblem Awakening should undeniably have a colon after the series title. "I mean come on, every Fire Emblem up to that point had a colon before the subtitle. Why change it up now?" Sigh... I let it go for a whole two minutes until I scroll down and see Mario Tennis Open. "What the.. No, no, this is a cruel joke. Other Mario Tennis games have colon before the subtitles, why not this one? Mario Tennis: Power Tour, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, even the newest one! ...Oh. Nope." Mario Tennis Aces does not have a colon. Not on Wikipedia, not on Nintendo's site, not on the game itself...
Conclusion 1: So maybe you've seen a pattern. There are other games this applies to, but it was around this point I caught onto the pattern. Here's my theory: you should not put a colon if the subtitle is one word. "Ahhh... I see. That's... well, marginally better." The OCD part of me wants to have the colon, but I guess that's the English rule. Maybe I missed this is English class, because I don't remember this being a thing. Okay, well I can accept that. Let's carry on. This checks off most of the time, actually, with a few exceptions that we'll get to. I kept going through the list:
Mario Strikers Charged, check;
Super Smash Bros. Melee, check;
Metroid Prime Pinball, check. "Okay, now we're talking." I keep going and see
Wii Play: Motion,
Star Fox: Assault... "Sunuva." Conclusion 1
Conclusion 1 (Corrected): Revised theory: you may use a colon if the subtitle is one word, but it is not required. Okay, now that theory does in fact check off the vast majority, but still not all. "Okay, phew. Scared me there, but nothing too harmful. What's this though..." Sonic Lost World has two words but does not have a colon. This has actually gotten some others riled up who insist on using a colon. I completely agreed with the guy. "Damn it, Sega. I was onto something." I keep scrolling, Kirby Tilt 'n Tumble, Kirby Mass Attack. "You're kidding me, I know these had colons!" Turns out those don't, but a lot of Kirby titles do: Kirby: Squeak Squad, Kirby: Canvas Curse, etc. "Alright, alright. I'm onto you."
Conclusion 2: Theory: you may use a colon if the title is one word, but it is not required. So if the title at the beginning is one word or the subtitle at the end is one word, you can safely get away with not using a colon. I wish this was consistent through the franchise's games, but whatever. I don't like it, but I can accept it. As long as I know their thinking. This tactic of how you may use it if you so choose works out for the large majority of cases. See Pokemon Red Version, Pokemon: Let's Go, Pikachu!, Star Fox Command, F-Zero GX, etc. None of these disobeyed my theories. This got me wondering and hunting for exceptions since I'm bound to be wrong. I am a native English speaker, but I don't know the 'proper instructions' for details like these, so this has all been guess and check work so far. So in the case of F-Zero GX, "GX" counts as one word just as much as "4" would count at the end of Resident Evil 4. You would not expect to see a colon between the series' name and the number. Well let's see about Kirby Super Star Ultra: from my first guess before all this analyzing, I'd expect a colon at the beginning after "Kirby" and then one near the end before "Ultra". (<- and notice that I put the period after the quotations even though I'm not British, so I may be a terrible reference for any of this. Please take at your own discretion. Surprised that I haven't said that yet.)
Conclusion 3: Theory: once a source is published, any future naming additions to it work the same way as stated in Conclusion 1 and 2. In the example of Kirby Super Star Ultra, it was a game much earlier as Kirby Super Star without a colon and then upgraded with what we can consider a one-word subtitle (Ultra), so this does not need a colon either. Now this checks off more in Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD. Right about now I'm thinking, "You dawg, you're figuring out the puzzle no one cared about or even knew existed. Now let's keep looking, we're bound to see disappointment if we look hard enough." I didn't have to look too long. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Fight Night Round 2 DO NOT follow my rules. I have seen a few renegades online that support the colon (out of stubbornness or laziness to look up the proper way, I don't know), but it just isn't. I would fight it but I know I'd be wrong. That's the name of the games from what I could tell and that's how the company and most everyone who talks about them uses their names. Even though Donkey Kong and Fight Night were published games in their own right, they refuse to obey my rules. "Alright, I'm so exhausted. You win, go on." There's gotta be something that really punches me in the gut, so I can comment on Sergecross73's wall and make him (her?) feel as if I'm trying to make a difference and help Wikipedia achieve to be THE conclusive source for all the world's info that it is meant to be. "Whoa, what's this." What do you do when there is a colon in the friggin' subtitle? Enter Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X. "What the H-E-double hockey sticks is that?" It looks like a hyphen (I kinda cheated a sentence ago and wrote it with one), but it's a different symbol called an em-dash. I don't know if you're familiar with this or have ever cared at all, but after looking up "long hyphen" in a internet search engine, I finally learned a bit of proper technical expertise rather than my own guesswork. Hyphens are reserved to combine words when it could be misleading otherwise (along with other uses), and dashes are separate from that and are broken down into en-dashes and em-dashes based on the length of the dash. En-dashes are used as a symbol for through, as in a time through another time or a date through another date, and em-dashes are used in place of parentheses to group sections of a sentence or for dramatic pause. "So that's why an em-dash was used in the Code Veronica page in Wikipedia, awesome."
Conclusion 4: Theory: when a colon is already used, an em-dash is to be used in the next adjacent spot that the colon would be placed. I found this to be true from my examples, but I wish I lived with Scooby-Doo and I conveniently had a local expert on the very subject that I could ask like, "Hey Paul, you got a PhD in English studies and even wrote your thesis on How to Write a Title: The Correct Way to English. Can you give us a hand? Maybe we can even wrap this up within the half-hour." But I'm working with what I have. (Untrained deduction?) And this seems to be true for the most part. Checking Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome Amiibo, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare - Reflex Edition, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice, and Pokemon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition. "We're back onto something. Let's keep the train going!" "So Wikipedia checks off, what does the internet say." Nintendo says "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Reflex Edition". "Uhh... Well that's just ...wrong. Sigh... Whatever, let's keep going." They say "Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome Amiibo" with a hyphen, not an em-dash. "Alright, we're close. But that's wrong. A hyphen is wrong. I've found that out." Their listing is purely art, a hyphen in that situation is wrong. I have to remember that the company makes games, they are not the officials in English. An individual(s) who works at Nintendo writes these and that was close, but they should be given a heads-up in the future. They also say "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice" with a hyphen. Alright, we knew what they meant, an em-dash, not a hypen. And for Pokemon's case, they say "Pokemon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition" completely omitting any form of punctuation. (I omitted the accents on the e in "Pokemon" for simplicity in typing.) Finally, checking back to the culprit of this em-dash situation, they say "Resident Evil Code: Veronica X". "Wha... What are they doing? No one agrees with that." I saw many different ways to say the game's title: "Resident Evil CODE: Veronica X", "Resident Evil: Code Veronica X", "Resident Evil -- Code: Veronica X". From my limited knowledge in piecing together the 'most used' way to spell the game, I generally had agreement to what Wikipedia currently uses with the em-dash. When article authors or YouTube users are using one (or sometimes two) dash(es), they are generally meaning the em-dash, which is in agreement to Wikipedia. So this brings me into question everything I'm asking. "Why trust the source when they are just wrong?" I believe they mean this, so should I correct them? Or is it art, so I'd be tampering to do so? I am trying to get the heart of the issue here. Some are just lost causes. I've explained Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Fight Night Round 2, as it is fairly unanimous on how it should be written out. But when there are inconsistencies throughout the web on how to spell it, should I go with the most 'correct' way and charge forward?
Conclusion 5: I asked some rhetorical questions in there but I am curious to see your input on that last question. That may lead to some of my points coming up that you may hate me for... One last conclusion I came to that I forgot to mention and I'll stuff here. Some titles end in question marks or exclamation points, such as Mario's Early Years! Fun with Numbers, Overcooked! Special Edition, New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis, etc. This is more confirmed from the web than just a theory of mine based on empirical evidence from video game names: you should not use a colon after an exclamation point or question mark, as the punctuation characters end the thought.
Alright, let's get to the stuff that you'll hate me for. Hopefully you learned something along the way and I didn't just waste your time. You could ideally use this info if anyone yells at you for not naming something a certain way in the future. Here are several of the games currently on Wikipedia that I think should be named differently than their current iterations. Please feel free to put me in my place or encourage me however you see fit.
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers (video game) -> "Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (video game)"
Kirby & the Amazing Mirror -> "Kirby & The Amazing Mirror"
"Sonic Adventure 2 Battle" within Sonic Adventure 2 -> "Sonic Adventure 2: Battle"
"Namco Museum 50th Anniversary" within Namco Museum -> ""Namco Museum: 50th Anniversary"
"The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Anniversary Edition" within The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and Four Swords -> "The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords - Anniversary Edition"
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance -> "Marvel Ultimate Alliance"
Kirby's Dream Collection -> "Kirby's Dream Collection: Special Edition"
Metroid Prime: Trilogy -> "Metroid Prime Trilogy"
Skylanders: SuperChargers -> "Skylanders SuperChargers"
"Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition" in Batman: Arkham City -> "Batman: Arkham City - Armored Edition"
Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna – The Golden Country -> "Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna ~ The Golden Country"
1-2-Switch -> "1-2-Switch" (with em-dashes instead of hyphens)
Here are two others I've found that I'm not quite sure of the best way to resolve but I figured I'd bring them up in the discussion: The Magical Quest Starring Mickey Mouse -> "The Magical Quest starring Mickey Mouse"
Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse -> "Disney's Magical Mirror starring Mickey Mouse"
Thanks for taking any amount of time to look into this. If any of these get fixed because of me, awesome. But if any don't change, I will try not to judge my entire life-worth on what a website names these games. At the very least, please pat me on the back so I know it'll all be okay. ^_^ -- Bchill53 ( talk) 00:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Sergecross, I see you were involved in this RfC about adding years to navigational templates, and commented on Jax 0677's talk page after ( User talk:Jax 0677/Archive 19#Years in music template). Jax now seems to believe (per here and here) that there was consensus to add years to navigational templates just because he voted that there should be. He linked me to the discussion on his talk page, where again, no user involved actually agreed, and where he said that he would only add them to templates he made—and as pointed out by Woodensuperman, this sounds like he thinks he has a right to, when that is against WP:OWN. I have reverted him per WP:BRD but I thought maybe you could clarify for Jax? I have tried to in the past but this is not the first time he has come up with his own idiosyncratic guidelines that apply only to how he edits despite there being no formal consensus on the matter. Ss 112 16:10, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey there. Just wanted to know if its alright to remove my own messages on other user's talk pages? Thanks. Namcokid47 ( talk) 18:05, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey I was wondering if you could check the Elvis singles article out. It looks confusing because some user decided to split the singles into different sections and he added a B-side section. I ask this because I like reading articles on Wikipedia and it really disturbs me that there is a B-side section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryan1518 ( talk • contribs) 01:05, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
i apologize for my actions from corrupted behavior by editing things i was very wrong i'm sorry. all i want is to edit the right corrections sources on concept albums and i just want to know if any albums is a concept album that is right source or wrong source, please just give me a chance. Johnny758 ( talk) 14:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
i edit the concept albums on t.i.'s album t.i. vs. t.i.p., it's a concept album and i didn't write the reviews on the editing of list of concept albums source on t.i. vs t.i.p.. is it a right source or wrong source just let me know if it's not good. Johnny758 ( talk) 20:11, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
Now we really could use an admin's input at this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums#"Single Album". Folks are reluctant to declare that a consensus has been reached due to the WP:INVOLVED rule. The consensus seems fairly obvious, and we need someone with authority to back up a change request at the Album Infobox template. Go forth as you see fit, or advise on other options. Thanks. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( Talk| Contribs) 20:28, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, could you please explain why you undid my edits to the page? The information contained in it was (and now is again) very inaccurate regarding the The Legend of Heroes / Trails series:
- The Trails in the Sky trilogy does not "collectively make up the sixth entry in the series". Falcom last used a numeral next to "The Legend of Heroes" when they first released Trails in the Sky (the first game in the trilogy), for Windows PC in 2004. For the PSP re-release in 2006 and every subsequent re-release, they dropped the numeral. The sequels, Trails in the Sky SC and Trails in the Sky the 3rd, never had the "VI" numeral in their name in any release ever. You can check the validity of this in Falcom's website, as well as the game box shots available on www.gamerankings.com .
- Likewise, Zero no Kiseki and Ao no Kiseki never had the "VII" numeral in their names, they simply released with "The Legend of Heroes" prefix, same as all games in the Trails universe. Again, it doesn't make sense to talk about these 2 games as "the seventh entry" in "The Legend of Heroes" series.
- The point of talking about "arcs" is exactly the very nature of the Trails series: all 9 games released so far take place in the same world, they share locations, characters, and an ongoing, overarching plot. The Trails in the Sky and Trails of Cold Steel subseries are 2 story arcs in this universe.
I suggest you first research about these games (Falcom's official Kiseki page and XSEED's Trails page are good starting points), take a more thorough look at my edit, and decide if it doesn't add clarity, accuracy and information to the page.
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.50.119.210 ( talk) 12:41, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Sergecross73. I hate to bring something like this back to you, but looks like we have a disruptive move case similar to what Flooded with them hundreds did (back under TheMagnificentist) with those discography redirects I made. Now, one thing I want to make clear is, you know I've had to accept users not wanting to create content over redirects I made. Whatever. But they need to do it the right way. The user MaranoFan has saw fit to move my redirect for Thotiana (which I have just reverted, in a bit of a stuffed-up round-robin move, but the point stands) to Thotiana (song), then create content over their redirect Thotiana. My redirect was not for a different topic (so they were not preserving page history, which would make sense), and they did not create the content in their sandbox or at a draft, a legitimate way of making content where you want credit. Instead, they did it this way, which is what got Flooded with them hundreds reprimanded/page move restricted. As you are an admin I consider experienced in this matter, could you please tell MaranoFan that this is not on and not the way to do it? I accept they, for some reason, want to make an article on a topic I've extensively edited, and that my redirect to tell them that this was a disruptive move will now be deleted—fine (I also did this in part because MaranoFan has told me not to post at their talk page). But this is not the way to do it. Ss 112 12:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
( talk page stalker) I just find it hilarious how big this is and the owner of the talk page hasn't even said anything. I'm not saying that he has to or anything, I'm just expressing both genuine, simultaneous laughter and bewilderment. dannymusiceditor oops 18:47, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry all, it was a crazy busy day over here. Will look through this shortly. Sergecross73 msg me 23:28, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Serge. We've got a problem with WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NOT#INFO. A few users, including myself, have been removing such fancruft from Power Rangers related articles, but AryanTheArticleArtist ( talk · contribs) and 7 qz ( talk · contribs), both relatively new accounts, have been reverting these edits. Can you please look into this? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 21:06, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi. As per my request on WikiProject Video games, you implemented page protection for Knack II on 24 January, to expire 7 February. Please could you extend the protection as it's only been 2 days from it being lifted that more vandalism has occurred. Thanks. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 13:39, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey @ Sergecross73:, I wanted to reach out and use your expertise on a few things. I'd also like to hear what others (@ Ferret:, @ Arkhandar:, @ Smuckola:) have to say if you want to include them or you want to move this conversation as it may be more appropriate somewhere else. It's long, so read as much as you feel welcome to get the idea.
Predicament: So you're likely going to be pissed at how unnecessary and absolutely trivial this is, but it's driving me crazy and I figured I'd ask: punctuation in video game titles. It's not important in the grand scheme of things and most people could care less, but going through the list of games and seeing them written out, I'm going insane. "Why doesn't that have a colon? Well, whatever. This one too! Wait, now this one has an extra colon!" This hurts me more than it should.
Upon investigating the Wikipedia pages for the games in question, the first one I went to conveniently had a (heated or, let's say, passionate) conversation that you were a part of. Mind you this was five years ago, but I agreed with several editors in how Fire Emblem Awakening should undeniably have a colon after the series title. "I mean come on, every Fire Emblem up to that point had a colon before the subtitle. Why change it up now?" Sigh... I let it go for a whole two minutes until I scroll down and see Mario Tennis Open. "What the.. No, no, this is a cruel joke. Other Mario Tennis games have colon before the subtitles, why not this one? Mario Tennis: Power Tour, Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash, even the newest one! ...Oh. Nope." Mario Tennis Aces does not have a colon. Not on Wikipedia, not on Nintendo's site, not on the game itself...
Conclusion 1: So maybe you've seen a pattern. There are other games this applies to, but it was around this point I caught onto the pattern. Here's my theory: you should not put a colon if the subtitle is one word. "Ahhh... I see. That's... well, marginally better." The OCD part of me wants to have the colon, but I guess that's the English rule. Maybe I missed this is English class, because I don't remember this being a thing. Okay, well I can accept that. Let's carry on. This checks off most of the time, actually, with a few exceptions that we'll get to. I kept going through the list:
Mario Strikers Charged, check;
Super Smash Bros. Melee, check;
Metroid Prime Pinball, check. "Okay, now we're talking." I keep going and see
Wii Play: Motion,
Star Fox: Assault... "Sunuva." Conclusion 1
Conclusion 1 (Corrected): Revised theory: you may use a colon if the subtitle is one word, but it is not required. Okay, now that theory does in fact check off the vast majority, but still not all. "Okay, phew. Scared me there, but nothing too harmful. What's this though..." Sonic Lost World has two words but does not have a colon. This has actually gotten some others riled up who insist on using a colon. I completely agreed with the guy. "Damn it, Sega. I was onto something." I keep scrolling, Kirby Tilt 'n Tumble, Kirby Mass Attack. "You're kidding me, I know these had colons!" Turns out those don't, but a lot of Kirby titles do: Kirby: Squeak Squad, Kirby: Canvas Curse, etc. "Alright, alright. I'm onto you."
Conclusion 2: Theory: you may use a colon if the title is one word, but it is not required. So if the title at the beginning is one word or the subtitle at the end is one word, you can safely get away with not using a colon. I wish this was consistent through the franchise's games, but whatever. I don't like it, but I can accept it. As long as I know their thinking. This tactic of how you may use it if you so choose works out for the large majority of cases. See Pokemon Red Version, Pokemon: Let's Go, Pikachu!, Star Fox Command, F-Zero GX, etc. None of these disobeyed my theories. This got me wondering and hunting for exceptions since I'm bound to be wrong. I am a native English speaker, but I don't know the 'proper instructions' for details like these, so this has all been guess and check work so far. So in the case of F-Zero GX, "GX" counts as one word just as much as "4" would count at the end of Resident Evil 4. You would not expect to see a colon between the series' name and the number. Well let's see about Kirby Super Star Ultra: from my first guess before all this analyzing, I'd expect a colon at the beginning after "Kirby" and then one near the end before "Ultra". (<- and notice that I put the period after the quotations even though I'm not British, so I may be a terrible reference for any of this. Please take at your own discretion. Surprised that I haven't said that yet.)
Conclusion 3: Theory: once a source is published, any future naming additions to it work the same way as stated in Conclusion 1 and 2. In the example of Kirby Super Star Ultra, it was a game much earlier as Kirby Super Star without a colon and then upgraded with what we can consider a one-word subtitle (Ultra), so this does not need a colon either. Now this checks off more in Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD. Right about now I'm thinking, "You dawg, you're figuring out the puzzle no one cared about or even knew existed. Now let's keep looking, we're bound to see disappointment if we look hard enough." I didn't have to look too long. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Fight Night Round 2 DO NOT follow my rules. I have seen a few renegades online that support the colon (out of stubbornness or laziness to look up the proper way, I don't know), but it just isn't. I would fight it but I know I'd be wrong. That's the name of the games from what I could tell and that's how the company and most everyone who talks about them uses their names. Even though Donkey Kong and Fight Night were published games in their own right, they refuse to obey my rules. "Alright, I'm so exhausted. You win, go on." There's gotta be something that really punches me in the gut, so I can comment on Sergecross73's wall and make him (her?) feel as if I'm trying to make a difference and help Wikipedia achieve to be THE conclusive source for all the world's info that it is meant to be. "Whoa, what's this." What do you do when there is a colon in the friggin' subtitle? Enter Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X. "What the H-E-double hockey sticks is that?" It looks like a hyphen (I kinda cheated a sentence ago and wrote it with one), but it's a different symbol called an em-dash. I don't know if you're familiar with this or have ever cared at all, but after looking up "long hyphen" in a internet search engine, I finally learned a bit of proper technical expertise rather than my own guesswork. Hyphens are reserved to combine words when it could be misleading otherwise (along with other uses), and dashes are separate from that and are broken down into en-dashes and em-dashes based on the length of the dash. En-dashes are used as a symbol for through, as in a time through another time or a date through another date, and em-dashes are used in place of parentheses to group sections of a sentence or for dramatic pause. "So that's why an em-dash was used in the Code Veronica page in Wikipedia, awesome."
Conclusion 4: Theory: when a colon is already used, an em-dash is to be used in the next adjacent spot that the colon would be placed. I found this to be true from my examples, but I wish I lived with Scooby-Doo and I conveniently had a local expert on the very subject that I could ask like, "Hey Paul, you got a PhD in English studies and even wrote your thesis on How to Write a Title: The Correct Way to English. Can you give us a hand? Maybe we can even wrap this up within the half-hour." But I'm working with what I have. (Untrained deduction?) And this seems to be true for the most part. Checking Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome Amiibo, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare - Reflex Edition, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice, and Pokemon Yellow Version: Special Pikachu Edition. "We're back onto something. Let's keep the train going!" "So Wikipedia checks off, what does the internet say." Nintendo says "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Reflex Edition". "Uhh... Well that's just ...wrong. Sigh... Whatever, let's keep going." They say "Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome Amiibo" with a hyphen, not an em-dash. "Alright, we're close. But that's wrong. A hyphen is wrong. I've found that out." Their listing is purely art, a hyphen in that situation is wrong. I have to remember that the company makes games, they are not the officials in English. An individual(s) who works at Nintendo writes these and that was close, but they should be given a heads-up in the future. They also say "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice" with a hyphen. Alright, we knew what they meant, an em-dash, not a hypen. And for Pokemon's case, they say "Pokemon Yellow Special Pikachu Edition" completely omitting any form of punctuation. (I omitted the accents on the e in "Pokemon" for simplicity in typing.) Finally, checking back to the culprit of this em-dash situation, they say "Resident Evil Code: Veronica X". "Wha... What are they doing? No one agrees with that." I saw many different ways to say the game's title: "Resident Evil CODE: Veronica X", "Resident Evil: Code Veronica X", "Resident Evil -- Code: Veronica X". From my limited knowledge in piecing together the 'most used' way to spell the game, I generally had agreement to what Wikipedia currently uses with the em-dash. When article authors or YouTube users are using one (or sometimes two) dash(es), they are generally meaning the em-dash, which is in agreement to Wikipedia. So this brings me into question everything I'm asking. "Why trust the source when they are just wrong?" I believe they mean this, so should I correct them? Or is it art, so I'd be tampering to do so? I am trying to get the heart of the issue here. Some are just lost causes. I've explained Donkey Kong Jungle Beat and Fight Night Round 2, as it is fairly unanimous on how it should be written out. But when there are inconsistencies throughout the web on how to spell it, should I go with the most 'correct' way and charge forward?
Conclusion 5: I asked some rhetorical questions in there but I am curious to see your input on that last question. That may lead to some of my points coming up that you may hate me for... One last conclusion I came to that I forgot to mention and I'll stuff here. Some titles end in question marks or exclamation points, such as Mario's Early Years! Fun with Numbers, Overcooked! Special Edition, New Play Control! Mario Power Tennis, etc. This is more confirmed from the web than just a theory of mine based on empirical evidence from video game names: you should not use a colon after an exclamation point or question mark, as the punctuation characters end the thought.
Alright, let's get to the stuff that you'll hate me for. Hopefully you learned something along the way and I didn't just waste your time. You could ideally use this info if anyone yells at you for not naming something a certain way in the future. Here are several of the games currently on Wikipedia that I think should be named differently than their current iterations. Please feel free to put me in my place or encourage me however you see fit.
Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers (video game) -> "Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (video game)"
Kirby & the Amazing Mirror -> "Kirby & The Amazing Mirror"
"Sonic Adventure 2 Battle" within Sonic Adventure 2 -> "Sonic Adventure 2: Battle"
"Namco Museum 50th Anniversary" within Namco Museum -> ""Namco Museum: 50th Anniversary"
"The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Anniversary Edition" within The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past and Four Swords -> "The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords - Anniversary Edition"
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance -> "Marvel Ultimate Alliance"
Kirby's Dream Collection -> "Kirby's Dream Collection: Special Edition"
Metroid Prime: Trilogy -> "Metroid Prime Trilogy"
Skylanders: SuperChargers -> "Skylanders SuperChargers"
"Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition" in Batman: Arkham City -> "Batman: Arkham City - Armored Edition"
Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna – The Golden Country -> "Xenoblade Chronicles 2: Torna ~ The Golden Country"
1-2-Switch -> "1-2-Switch" (with em-dashes instead of hyphens)
Here are two others I've found that I'm not quite sure of the best way to resolve but I figured I'd bring them up in the discussion: The Magical Quest Starring Mickey Mouse -> "The Magical Quest starring Mickey Mouse"
Disney's Magical Mirror Starring Mickey Mouse -> "Disney's Magical Mirror starring Mickey Mouse"
Thanks for taking any amount of time to look into this. If any of these get fixed because of me, awesome. But if any don't change, I will try not to judge my entire life-worth on what a website names these games. At the very least, please pat me on the back so I know it'll all be okay. ^_^ -- Bchill53 ( talk) 00:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)