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173.68.110.16 replied with an inferred uncivil attack at you. ViperSnake151 Talk 03:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, at least he's talking more about the technical aspects of his project rather than just blindly accusing everyone of having a vendetta. Progress in baby steps. At this point, unless he launches into another tirade, I don't have any real intention of reporting him, but I don't mind if you do. There's only so much BS we can be expected to put up with, really. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 20:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Usually I would take this to the request page, but since you have been actively involved on the article and have protected it before, I figured you wouldn't mind reinstating it. Quite a bit of unconstructive editing from IPs in the last few hours. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 19:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I've noticed you are an admin who frequently edits Wii U. I thought it was inappropriate to immediately start criticizing the system in the first paragraph as was previously done. A week or so ago I moved some of the criticism down into the reception section and immediately started a discussion about it on the talk page. So far only one other user has joined the discussion (and appears to agree with me). I was wondering if you could leave some input there. (I am asking because User:Mazty, [1] an account that edits almost nothing other than Wii U recently reverted my move. I in turn reverted them and referred them to the discussion)
Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 21:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
[2] I requested snowball closure. That mazty guy and his opinions without reliable sources are just pissing me off and contributing to too much wikistress, I am going to log off for a while. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 18:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- did not want the message to be public Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 22:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I was hoping you could provide some assessments to see if Tales of Graces can reach FA. The only reasons I believe it might not make it to FA is the lack of information on some English voices for the characters or how the game was conceived since those two info don't exist. DragonZero ( Talk · Contribs) 08:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Did you see all my messages? Someone changed the 3DS Game Card Launcher back... It shouldn't be there.
From 78.156.109.166 aka (but not same as) Pubserv (I sometimes use the Pubserv account, or just post form my IP;) 78.156.109.166 ( talk) 19:11, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
Thanks for your recent contributions, especially to video game related articles! ~ satellizer ~ ~ talk ~ 22:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC) |
Hello, Serge (if I may call you that),
I do not attempt to edit Wikipedia very often at all. One topic I happen to know a lot about is the Smashing Pumpkins. I see you edit that page very often. I want to tell you a brief story about my old experiences with an issue concerning the listing of band 'members'. Maybe the story will help you going forward as you work on the site.
There have been repeated disputes about the treatment by Wikipedia of different persons who have contributed to the Pumpkins. I used to argue, for one example -- and I see that this is still an active problem from my perspective -- that Melissa Auf der Maur's contributions did not deserve to be so greatly elevated in status relative to those of others, and those of Matt Walker in particular.
My arguments, evidence, and so forth, used to be repeatedly rejected by a persistent Wikipedia editor on the grounds that Auf der Maur was a 'full member' of the Smashing Pumpkins, while Matt Walker was not. I have the impression that this grounds for rejecting challenges to the current Pumpkins article still holds sway.
I simply want to suggest to you that definitive claims about who was ever 'considered a full member of the Pumpkins' essentially constitute original research - for there is not in reality a definitive list of members of the Smashing Pumpkins, nor has there ever been (and nor, of course, could there ever be).
What there is, in reality, is: (1) statements by Billy Corgan about his collaborators, and (2) evidence as to what the collaborators have actually done. In effect, when assessing the status of those collaborators, the current Wikipedia article attempts to completely privilege (1) over (2), but at the same time, the article does not cite any statements by Billy Corgan about who is a member or not, and when these matters have been debated on the Talk page, it has been amply demonstrated that Corgan's statements have varied, contradicted themselves, or been nonexistent.
In my view, the current articles dance around the fact that in a lot of ways Matt Walker's substantive contributions to the Pumpkins - his (2), in my taxonomy - were a lot greater than Melissa Auf der Maur's. For example, as I just edited the Pumpkins entry to point out, Walker played the drums on about half of Adore. The previous absence of that fact from the article is an example of the ways in which the privileged status of Auf der Maur vis-a-vis all other contributors is corrupting the presentation of the facts. But once the editors stop believing that the assertion "but so-and-so was a 'full member'" is a trump card that cannot be overcome with evidence, then the article will improve. Jjb ( talk) 22:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I noticed the same admin pushing his weight around here and here. Threatening to delete an article over an edit war and threatening another good faith user with blocking in article talk space? I don't want to take it to ANI myself but I though I would ask your opinion first. Just found more harshness.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 01:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I do plan to ignore him unless he keeps being rude. If the article is deleted then I will have it userfied so I have a link for all the media to see when I contact them about it. I may list those three lame DRs as well. I can see censoring porn on en:wp but to create three lame DRs with obscure websites claiming to be copyright holders of harmless art just has me baffled. I was offered admin at commons and I may un-decline and accept it at this point. @Salvidrim, did you even read those DRs over there? I have tried reasoning with Bwilkins and as a result he was banned from my talk page for similar rude behavior that went against policy. I won't be taking this to ANI if it escalates but I will warn the WMF and Mr. Wales before I link this all to Canadian media. We are very proud of our culture and arts up here. If you wish to delete all the ones in the USA that we aren't even allowed to host images of then go ahead. I may start with File:Cloud Gate (The Bean) from east'.jpg. I emailed the sculptor's people with no response. If he doesn't wish to provide a version of the sculpture for us then why should we host a fair use one for his articles? Seems that en:wp needs a bit of shake-up to put some of these bullies in their places. Media coverage and DRs of all these fair use art images may be a good way to start. These bullies keep forgetting that we are here to provide knowledge to our readers and not to trim and delete articles that are notable.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your opinion, as the article creator I admit and agree that the game has no good coverage, but it has received some popularity (maybe in the past only). Please let me know if anything new happens to this article. Thanks. Megahmad ( talk) 17:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello there. I have been busy lately with other things, but I am planning to take Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) to GA status as I did with Sonic Adventure obviously. The Sonic article has obviously failed GA status (it was not nominated by me, but by someone else). Can you give me some tips on how to improve these articles? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 03:21, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I'll try to browse over things some in the coming days and post thoughts on the talk pages. Sergecross73 msg me 03:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:Sega_Genesis/Archive_20#Google
yes, I do find it sad, as well as your comment rather dismissive of the concerns of an unintenional googlebomb. However, I'm trying to be productive about it: /info/en/?search=Talk:Sega_Genesis#Google_Flavour_text - It would be great to get your input on that. 81.149.182.210 ( talk) 23:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
This is not about renaming the article. That's done,no point hitting that dead horse any more, but I think the Flavour text, if it can be changed (I've no idea how google gets it) will help make it clearer for searchers, regardless of which name they are looking for 81.149.182.210 ( talk) 01:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I see that you interacted with this user, GVnayR a few days ago. He was previously known as RyanVG, and he was once blocked here, am I right? Anyway, I should tell you who I am. I am an admin on Future Wiki, and I have had serious problems with this user. He has five, maybe more, users: RyanVG, GVnayR, Buck Satan, Muhammad Li and Master Bezzo, as well as many different IP addresses, with his main one being 64.136.126.140. He is clearly suckpuppeting, but is really bad at hiding, as all five users have the same person on their profile picture, and on one of his pages, he openly admits it. But he acts as many, making edits with one user and reverting them with another, and he also vandalizes pages, thus disrupting the wiki. Furthermore, he is sharing information about and pictures of himself and his family, information that is extremely personal and not suitable for a wiki. He says he's retired on his user page, but I don't believe this is the case. I want to make sure that he never disrupts a wiki again, be it Wikipedia or one that is part of Wikia, and therefore I strongly suggest that he is blocked once again, although this time permanently. He has made enough damage already. DaneOfScandinavy ( talk) 08:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
As a gaming-related administrator I trust, I decided to bring up this user - User:WindWakerMovie7382 - with you. Earlier today they created this account and added some false information regarding a supposed movie about The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker to various articles. However, they presented no sources and I am fairly sure this is all hoax information. (Unless, somehow, I did not see any news about this!) They haven't written anything since I reverted their edits and warned them, however I suggest a block may eventually be necessary if they persist. I don't think their edits at this point warrant a block, because they weren't extremely disruptive and may have been because they had false information, but the reason I am a bit concerned is that their username seems to suggest these sorts of edits are the sole purpose of their account. I'll see how it goes from here, but I just wanted to bring this to someone else's attention. Thanks, DarkToonLink Heyaah! 11:13, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey I seen a lot of users arguing with you about the Nickelback "Pop Rock," subject. I came here to tell you they're not "Pop Rock." Go to the Nickelback talk page and I just explained there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiiu91 ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Given the fact that I was subjected to personal abuse and uncivil behavior and having been guilt-tripped and denigrated by a couple of long-term abusive users who are unable to work with others (such as Fladrif) in the past, I consider some ongoing accusations on my behavior as shameful, ridiculous and uncivil and also felt mortified by some members of the community who try to discredit my views. I felt that I have lost a little faith in the project a few months back when Fladrif had issues with me (he did not know me obviously, and that, combined with his edit history and the WBB ban appeal at WT:BASC was pretty upsetting to say the least, as well as this attack on an Arbitrator), but there are times when one must stand up for themselves (such as my ability to stand up to disruptive users and dealing with them). In fact, since Ched acknowledged the fact that he said negative things about me during a certain AN discussion in March, apologized and praised me for my efforts and appreciated all of the work that I have done (as I feel that I should be) back when he indefinitely blocked Fladrif back in April for chronic disruption and incivility as I did feel a little bit offended by his comments about me, I have always felt that my faith in the project has been restored to a significant degree. I think it's a good thing that Fladrif is gone from the project; I still find his conduct profoundly detrimental as Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia, not the place for denigrating other users. Having also dealt with sock puppets of Fragments of Jade, Bambifan101 and Yourname, I have always taken a stand in dealing with disruptive users. Some users, however, like Zhoban, have also taken it to multiple other social networking sites, forums and blogs to harass and insult me there, as well as making observations about me in a negative light. As indicated in my introduction, it can be both "physically and emotionally stressful at the same time, and some of them are just not something that I signed on to do here. Things are seemingly going from bad to worse, and this has lead to very real concerns that users will no longer be content with the Internet activities and try to find ways to take it offline or even drive out productive editors." There is only one word for issues like these: corruption, and I feel that something must be done about this. However, I do sympathize with users who have departed the project (i.e. Bridies, Fastily, PMDrive1061 and AnmaFinotera) thanks to some of these issues with other editors. I have seen other users like Dreadstar leave in anger because of their actions, only to come back sooner or later. I feel like my energy is being drained a little bit and I have been contemplating about this matter, and at this point, do you think I should retire or not (I personally don't feel like I am ready to retire just yet, but want to take a semi-wikibreak due to the fall semester starting soon)? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 06:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Pages protected. Sergecross73 msg me 00:43, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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173.68.110.16 replied with an inferred uncivil attack at you. ViperSnake151 Talk 03:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, at least he's talking more about the technical aspects of his project rather than just blindly accusing everyone of having a vendetta. Progress in baby steps. At this point, unless he launches into another tirade, I don't have any real intention of reporting him, but I don't mind if you do. There's only so much BS we can be expected to put up with, really. — KieferSkunk ( talk) — 20:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Usually I would take this to the request page, but since you have been actively involved on the article and have protected it before, I figured you wouldn't mind reinstating it. Quite a bit of unconstructive editing from IPs in the last few hours. -- GoneIn60 ( talk) 19:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, I've noticed you are an admin who frequently edits Wii U. I thought it was inappropriate to immediately start criticizing the system in the first paragraph as was previously done. A week or so ago I moved some of the criticism down into the reception section and immediately started a discussion about it on the talk page. So far only one other user has joined the discussion (and appears to agree with me). I was wondering if you could leave some input there. (I am asking because User:Mazty, [1] an account that edits almost nothing other than Wii U recently reverted my move. I in turn reverted them and referred them to the discussion)
Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 21:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
[2] I requested snowball closure. That mazty guy and his opinions without reliable sources are just pissing me off and contributing to too much wikistress, I am going to log off for a while. Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 18:24, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- did not want the message to be public Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 22:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I was hoping you could provide some assessments to see if Tales of Graces can reach FA. The only reasons I believe it might not make it to FA is the lack of information on some English voices for the characters or how the game was conceived since those two info don't exist. DragonZero ( Talk · Contribs) 08:10, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Did you see all my messages? Someone changed the 3DS Game Card Launcher back... It shouldn't be there.
From 78.156.109.166 aka (but not same as) Pubserv (I sometimes use the Pubserv account, or just post form my IP;) 78.156.109.166 ( talk) 19:11, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | ||
Thanks for your recent contributions, especially to video game related articles! ~ satellizer ~ ~ talk ~ 22:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC) |
Hello, Serge (if I may call you that),
I do not attempt to edit Wikipedia very often at all. One topic I happen to know a lot about is the Smashing Pumpkins. I see you edit that page very often. I want to tell you a brief story about my old experiences with an issue concerning the listing of band 'members'. Maybe the story will help you going forward as you work on the site.
There have been repeated disputes about the treatment by Wikipedia of different persons who have contributed to the Pumpkins. I used to argue, for one example -- and I see that this is still an active problem from my perspective -- that Melissa Auf der Maur's contributions did not deserve to be so greatly elevated in status relative to those of others, and those of Matt Walker in particular.
My arguments, evidence, and so forth, used to be repeatedly rejected by a persistent Wikipedia editor on the grounds that Auf der Maur was a 'full member' of the Smashing Pumpkins, while Matt Walker was not. I have the impression that this grounds for rejecting challenges to the current Pumpkins article still holds sway.
I simply want to suggest to you that definitive claims about who was ever 'considered a full member of the Pumpkins' essentially constitute original research - for there is not in reality a definitive list of members of the Smashing Pumpkins, nor has there ever been (and nor, of course, could there ever be).
What there is, in reality, is: (1) statements by Billy Corgan about his collaborators, and (2) evidence as to what the collaborators have actually done. In effect, when assessing the status of those collaborators, the current Wikipedia article attempts to completely privilege (1) over (2), but at the same time, the article does not cite any statements by Billy Corgan about who is a member or not, and when these matters have been debated on the Talk page, it has been amply demonstrated that Corgan's statements have varied, contradicted themselves, or been nonexistent.
In my view, the current articles dance around the fact that in a lot of ways Matt Walker's substantive contributions to the Pumpkins - his (2), in my taxonomy - were a lot greater than Melissa Auf der Maur's. For example, as I just edited the Pumpkins entry to point out, Walker played the drums on about half of Adore. The previous absence of that fact from the article is an example of the ways in which the privileged status of Auf der Maur vis-a-vis all other contributors is corrupting the presentation of the facts. But once the editors stop believing that the assertion "but so-and-so was a 'full member'" is a trump card that cannot be overcome with evidence, then the article will improve. Jjb ( talk) 22:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I noticed the same admin pushing his weight around here and here. Threatening to delete an article over an edit war and threatening another good faith user with blocking in article talk space? I don't want to take it to ANI myself but I though I would ask your opinion first. Just found more harshness.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 01:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I do plan to ignore him unless he keeps being rude. If the article is deleted then I will have it userfied so I have a link for all the media to see when I contact them about it. I may list those three lame DRs as well. I can see censoring porn on en:wp but to create three lame DRs with obscure websites claiming to be copyright holders of harmless art just has me baffled. I was offered admin at commons and I may un-decline and accept it at this point. @Salvidrim, did you even read those DRs over there? I have tried reasoning with Bwilkins and as a result he was banned from my talk page for similar rude behavior that went against policy. I won't be taking this to ANI if it escalates but I will warn the WMF and Mr. Wales before I link this all to Canadian media. We are very proud of our culture and arts up here. If you wish to delete all the ones in the USA that we aren't even allowed to host images of then go ahead. I may start with File:Cloud Gate (The Bean) from east'.jpg. I emailed the sculptor's people with no response. If he doesn't wish to provide a version of the sculpture for us then why should we host a fair use one for his articles? Seems that en:wp needs a bit of shake-up to put some of these bullies in their places. Media coverage and DRs of all these fair use art images may be a good way to start. These bullies keep forgetting that we are here to provide knowledge to our readers and not to trim and delete articles that are notable.-- Canoe1967 ( talk) 17:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your opinion, as the article creator I admit and agree that the game has no good coverage, but it has received some popularity (maybe in the past only). Please let me know if anything new happens to this article. Thanks. Megahmad ( talk) 17:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello there. I have been busy lately with other things, but I am planning to take Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) to GA status as I did with Sonic Adventure obviously. The Sonic article has obviously failed GA status (it was not nominated by me, but by someone else). Can you give me some tips on how to improve these articles? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 03:21, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
I'll try to browse over things some in the coming days and post thoughts on the talk pages. Sergecross73 msg me 03:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:Sega_Genesis/Archive_20#Google
yes, I do find it sad, as well as your comment rather dismissive of the concerns of an unintenional googlebomb. However, I'm trying to be productive about it: /info/en/?search=Talk:Sega_Genesis#Google_Flavour_text - It would be great to get your input on that. 81.149.182.210 ( talk) 23:57, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
This is not about renaming the article. That's done,no point hitting that dead horse any more, but I think the Flavour text, if it can be changed (I've no idea how google gets it) will help make it clearer for searchers, regardless of which name they are looking for 81.149.182.210 ( talk) 01:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I see that you interacted with this user, GVnayR a few days ago. He was previously known as RyanVG, and he was once blocked here, am I right? Anyway, I should tell you who I am. I am an admin on Future Wiki, and I have had serious problems with this user. He has five, maybe more, users: RyanVG, GVnayR, Buck Satan, Muhammad Li and Master Bezzo, as well as many different IP addresses, with his main one being 64.136.126.140. He is clearly suckpuppeting, but is really bad at hiding, as all five users have the same person on their profile picture, and on one of his pages, he openly admits it. But he acts as many, making edits with one user and reverting them with another, and he also vandalizes pages, thus disrupting the wiki. Furthermore, he is sharing information about and pictures of himself and his family, information that is extremely personal and not suitable for a wiki. He says he's retired on his user page, but I don't believe this is the case. I want to make sure that he never disrupts a wiki again, be it Wikipedia or one that is part of Wikia, and therefore I strongly suggest that he is blocked once again, although this time permanently. He has made enough damage already. DaneOfScandinavy ( talk) 08:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
As a gaming-related administrator I trust, I decided to bring up this user - User:WindWakerMovie7382 - with you. Earlier today they created this account and added some false information regarding a supposed movie about The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker to various articles. However, they presented no sources and I am fairly sure this is all hoax information. (Unless, somehow, I did not see any news about this!) They haven't written anything since I reverted their edits and warned them, however I suggest a block may eventually be necessary if they persist. I don't think their edits at this point warrant a block, because they weren't extremely disruptive and may have been because they had false information, but the reason I am a bit concerned is that their username seems to suggest these sorts of edits are the sole purpose of their account. I'll see how it goes from here, but I just wanted to bring this to someone else's attention. Thanks, DarkToonLink Heyaah! 11:13, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey I seen a lot of users arguing with you about the Nickelback "Pop Rock," subject. I came here to tell you they're not "Pop Rock." Go to the Nickelback talk page and I just explained there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiiu91 ( talk • contribs) 01:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Given the fact that I was subjected to personal abuse and uncivil behavior and having been guilt-tripped and denigrated by a couple of long-term abusive users who are unable to work with others (such as Fladrif) in the past, I consider some ongoing accusations on my behavior as shameful, ridiculous and uncivil and also felt mortified by some members of the community who try to discredit my views. I felt that I have lost a little faith in the project a few months back when Fladrif had issues with me (he did not know me obviously, and that, combined with his edit history and the WBB ban appeal at WT:BASC was pretty upsetting to say the least, as well as this attack on an Arbitrator), but there are times when one must stand up for themselves (such as my ability to stand up to disruptive users and dealing with them). In fact, since Ched acknowledged the fact that he said negative things about me during a certain AN discussion in March, apologized and praised me for my efforts and appreciated all of the work that I have done (as I feel that I should be) back when he indefinitely blocked Fladrif back in April for chronic disruption and incivility as I did feel a little bit offended by his comments about me, I have always felt that my faith in the project has been restored to a significant degree. I think it's a good thing that Fladrif is gone from the project; I still find his conduct profoundly detrimental as Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia, not the place for denigrating other users. Having also dealt with sock puppets of Fragments of Jade, Bambifan101 and Yourname, I have always taken a stand in dealing with disruptive users. Some users, however, like Zhoban, have also taken it to multiple other social networking sites, forums and blogs to harass and insult me there, as well as making observations about me in a negative light. As indicated in my introduction, it can be both "physically and emotionally stressful at the same time, and some of them are just not something that I signed on to do here. Things are seemingly going from bad to worse, and this has lead to very real concerns that users will no longer be content with the Internet activities and try to find ways to take it offline or even drive out productive editors." There is only one word for issues like these: corruption, and I feel that something must be done about this. However, I do sympathize with users who have departed the project (i.e. Bridies, Fastily, PMDrive1061 and AnmaFinotera) thanks to some of these issues with other editors. I have seen other users like Dreadstar leave in anger because of their actions, only to come back sooner or later. I feel like my energy is being drained a little bit and I have been contemplating about this matter, and at this point, do you think I should retire or not (I personally don't feel like I am ready to retire just yet, but want to take a semi-wikibreak due to the fall semester starting soon)? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 06:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Pages protected. Sergecross73 msg me 00:43, 17 August 2013 (UTC)