I hate to sound overly cliché here, and I am sure you have heard it all before. But I sometimes think we all need to review (READ!) the policies and guidelines, and re-emphasize that all articles within the Wikipedia must conform to them. Special attention must be given to enforcing verifiability from reliable sources, avoiding original research, and maintaining a neutral point of view; and this is most especially important for articles which constitute a biography of a living person. If an article, such as Politics and influences of J.K. Rowling crosses any of the policy lines, then it must be flagged as such and cleaned up, post haste. This does not mean that the concerns cannot be consensus-discussed on the article and user talk pages in a civil manner, carefully avoiding personal attacks and such. If you think the article in question fails to conform to Wikipedia policy, especially in the matter of neutrality and verifiability in a WP:BLP (please read that!), to the extent that the Wikipedia can be seen as being "irresponsible", then the policies provide for immediate removal of the offending material, and review by the BLP Noticeboard if intervention is necessary. Some applicable thoughts from WP:BLP...
I know this is a rather lengthy answer (not to mention a bad copy-and-paste job of published wiki-policies and guidelines) but my intention is to show that there are policies and guidelines that cover the issue, sources for recourse, and justification and methods for investigating and "fixing" the problem. Thanks for your patience. -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 11:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
That comment by Piercetheorganist on your talk page was way over the line. If you ever get an attack like that again from anyone, please don't hesitate to inform an administrator immediately (I will be happy to help). We simply cannot have that kind of thing here. Lexicon (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Moved the barnstar to my user page. Thanks for the good vibes, and I always appreciate a DNA reference :) Serendipodous 21:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow... I just saw what Pierce did to your talkpage what a whiny little WikiTroll! Anyway it make my timing even more judicious - I just thought that your endless efforts with the HP article deserved some recognition! It's a difficult article to police - but somewhat easier since it went on semi-protection - and you're doing a fantastic job bringing it up to FA quality! AulaTPN 09:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, I hope you don't mind but I took the liberty of fixing the hanging E=mc2 barnstar on your user page. The problem was caused by the fact that most userboxes are contained in a div tag which floats to the left. This breaks the normal block-level page flow so I inserted a blank div with no float and clearing on both sides. AulaTPN 12:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! It was absolutely no problem - pretty much the only benefit of my misspent youth as a web developer! AulaTPN 12:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
(from User talk:AulaTPN)
Could you go over Libertycookies's recent addition to JK Rowling's page? I have gone into conflict so deep with this dude I can't be objective any more. Thanks. Serendipodous 08:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Since you added a comment about Cedric Diggory's name being possibly a nod to C.S. Lewis in late '05, the sentence has gotten prodded, removed, replaced, and referenced a few times. The reference that was used to substantiate a connexion between Rowling and Lewis seemed to show anything but an admiration for him on her part. Because you added the initial comment, I was wondering if maybe you might be able to cite a better reference that would show Lewis as a favourite author of Rowling's. With the only reference seeming to indicate the opposite, I snipped off that part of the comment (as it now stands). -- Dajagr 18:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
We're fine. I just misunderstood your intent is all. Sorry. — RJH ( talk) 20:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Back in April I put some feedback on the talk page. I'll do an update of those notes. Hope that helps. — RJH ( talk) 16:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for alerting me. I left a message on his talk page. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 16:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
source and citations added: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808475612/info
Please let me know. Serendipodous 14:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Moved to userpage :-) Serendipodous 18:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice one. A difficult subject to approach, but just maybe Rowling may be willing to talk a little more in the not too distant future. Sandpiper 18:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Just trying to clean up the talk so that newcomers don't have to wade through unproductive finger pointing. Libertycookies 20:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to get involved with this aspect of it: [1]. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I've taken JK Rowling off my watchlist. I've gone to great lengths to bring Liberty's abuses to general attention, to a chorus of indifference. I can no longer edit that article. Serendipodous 08:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect, I think the problem is that the Rowling and LibertyCookies issue is essentially a relatively minor content dispute, in the overall scheme of things, which as a class of issues does not rise to the level requiring the attention of the ArbCom, which is the LAST RESORT step in resolving an issue, not the first or the middle. I believe that is why they declined 2-1 to take it on. There are several steps in the Dispute Resolution process, including formal Request for Comment and Request for Mediation, that are in place specifically to deal with issues of this matter. What happened here is you essentially went straight to the "Supreme Court" to appeal a traffic ticket, right after the "cop" handed it out, and they refused to hear the case because that is not their stated function. There are 3 or 4 "courts" which should have heard the case first, and then we "appeal" up the ladder if the other lower steps produce unsatisfactory results. I know this may be a bit difficult to grasp, as the DR process is not exactly like appealing an improper murder conviction which could result in an unjust hanging, but the point is there are steps to be taken, and we jumped ahead to the end here. I would have said so at the RFArb, but I did not want to stir up more mud, and I did not feel like it was my place to point out the error. You can always start all over at the formal RfC level and get some proper attention on the matter. There have been longer and less civil disagreements in the HP Project (eg: the Folken vs Sandpiper / OR edit wars ) that still have not gone to a proper RfC, no consensus has been reached yet whether Granger and Mugglenet can be used as sources for documenting fan theories. Compared to that, the "Rowling is an anarchist" playground skirmish is a minor blip on the radar screen for the Wiki bureaucrats and administrators at the ArbCom level. I would urge you to study the WP:DR page and follow the accepted process, in the proper order, if you want assistance with dealing with LibertyCookies. Some of the steps have been arguably done, but it needs to be documented before the next level in the appeals process will consider the matter. Please do not give up watching the pages. At least place citation needed tags in places where claims about Rowling and the HP series are made that are not properly sourced. That makes the objectionable material legally deletable and grounds for RfC if an edit war ensues. Don't give up the ship. -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 09:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC) OK; I've started a request for mediation. However, since it can't go ahead unless Libertycookies agrees with it, I don't see how it will help. What do I do if he rejects it? Serendipodous 10:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)- Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:T-dot"
Hey Seren, although I haven't participated in the discussion, I have followed the dispute for the past couple of days. I felt compelled to inform you that, despite agreeing with you and understanding your frustration with Liberty, I still find your last entry on the talk page ( here), serving no purpose other than to provoke Liberty. Ask yourself if the comment was really necessary? Anyhow, it's not a big deal, but I figured you would like to know this given that you have displayed an exemplary level of maturity and been quite civil for the most part of the discussion. Cheers! — Dorvaq ( talk) 14:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm at a loss of words for you. Maybe Pierce could be some help. Keep defaming me and spreading your interpretations and I will have you banned. Libertycookies 15:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh please. You've been trying for over a month to insinuate that Rowling must a socialist citation needed, even to the point of telling me citation needed that I'm some kind of authoritarian uberconservative citation needed for not allowing you to say so, and now you're accusing me of doing what you've been doing nonstop all these weeks? If not to claim that Rowling is a socialist, what point are you making with that section? Because right now it's just a random collection of quotes. Serendipodous 14:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I never said any of this and defy you to show where I did. Libertycookies 18:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
"The only thing from conservative [commentators] are the [right wing] criticisms for her socialist atti[t]udes that S. derides [when I had put them in the Controversies article]"
I've noticed how you have recieved multiple awards for the Harry Potter article. I'm a huge fan as well; I could practically write the books out word for word I've read them so many times. I was wondering if you'd partner with me to perfect that article. Just trying to get connected on wikipedia--
19:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Serendipodous. You are off to such a great start on the article Legal disputes over the Harry Potter series that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 14:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Serendipodous. You are off to such a great start on the article Religious controversy over the Harry Potter series that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 14:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I hate to sound overly cliché here, and I am sure you have heard it all before. But I sometimes think we all need to review (READ!) the policies and guidelines, and re-emphasize that all articles within the Wikipedia must conform to them. Special attention must be given to enforcing verifiability from reliable sources, avoiding original research, and maintaining a neutral point of view; and this is most especially important for articles which constitute a biography of a living person. If an article, such as Politics and influences of J.K. Rowling crosses any of the policy lines, then it must be flagged as such and cleaned up, post haste. This does not mean that the concerns cannot be consensus-discussed on the article and user talk pages in a civil manner, carefully avoiding personal attacks and such. If you think the article in question fails to conform to Wikipedia policy, especially in the matter of neutrality and verifiability in a WP:BLP (please read that!), to the extent that the Wikipedia can be seen as being "irresponsible", then the policies provide for immediate removal of the offending material, and review by the BLP Noticeboard if intervention is necessary. Some applicable thoughts from WP:BLP...
I know this is a rather lengthy answer (not to mention a bad copy-and-paste job of published wiki-policies and guidelines) but my intention is to show that there are policies and guidelines that cover the issue, sources for recourse, and justification and methods for investigating and "fixing" the problem. Thanks for your patience. -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 11:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
That comment by Piercetheorganist on your talk page was way over the line. If you ever get an attack like that again from anyone, please don't hesitate to inform an administrator immediately (I will be happy to help). We simply cannot have that kind of thing here. Lexicon (talk) 15:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Moved the barnstar to my user page. Thanks for the good vibes, and I always appreciate a DNA reference :) Serendipodous 21:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow... I just saw what Pierce did to your talkpage what a whiny little WikiTroll! Anyway it make my timing even more judicious - I just thought that your endless efforts with the HP article deserved some recognition! It's a difficult article to police - but somewhat easier since it went on semi-protection - and you're doing a fantastic job bringing it up to FA quality! AulaTPN 09:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, I hope you don't mind but I took the liberty of fixing the hanging E=mc2 barnstar on your user page. The problem was caused by the fact that most userboxes are contained in a div tag which floats to the left. This breaks the normal block-level page flow so I inserted a blank div with no float and clearing on both sides. AulaTPN 12:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! It was absolutely no problem - pretty much the only benefit of my misspent youth as a web developer! AulaTPN 12:22, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
(from User talk:AulaTPN)
Could you go over Libertycookies's recent addition to JK Rowling's page? I have gone into conflict so deep with this dude I can't be objective any more. Thanks. Serendipodous 08:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Since you added a comment about Cedric Diggory's name being possibly a nod to C.S. Lewis in late '05, the sentence has gotten prodded, removed, replaced, and referenced a few times. The reference that was used to substantiate a connexion between Rowling and Lewis seemed to show anything but an admiration for him on her part. Because you added the initial comment, I was wondering if maybe you might be able to cite a better reference that would show Lewis as a favourite author of Rowling's. With the only reference seeming to indicate the opposite, I snipped off that part of the comment (as it now stands). -- Dajagr 18:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
We're fine. I just misunderstood your intent is all. Sorry. — RJH ( talk) 20:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Back in April I put some feedback on the talk page. I'll do an update of those notes. Hope that helps. — RJH ( talk) 16:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC).
Thanks for alerting me. I left a message on his talk page. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 16:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
source and citations added: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808475612/info
Please let me know. Serendipodous 14:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Moved to userpage :-) Serendipodous 18:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Nice one. A difficult subject to approach, but just maybe Rowling may be willing to talk a little more in the not too distant future. Sandpiper 18:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Just trying to clean up the talk so that newcomers don't have to wade through unproductive finger pointing. Libertycookies 20:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to get involved with this aspect of it: [1]. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 23:36, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I've taken JK Rowling off my watchlist. I've gone to great lengths to bring Liberty's abuses to general attention, to a chorus of indifference. I can no longer edit that article. Serendipodous 08:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect, I think the problem is that the Rowling and LibertyCookies issue is essentially a relatively minor content dispute, in the overall scheme of things, which as a class of issues does not rise to the level requiring the attention of the ArbCom, which is the LAST RESORT step in resolving an issue, not the first or the middle. I believe that is why they declined 2-1 to take it on. There are several steps in the Dispute Resolution process, including formal Request for Comment and Request for Mediation, that are in place specifically to deal with issues of this matter. What happened here is you essentially went straight to the "Supreme Court" to appeal a traffic ticket, right after the "cop" handed it out, and they refused to hear the case because that is not their stated function. There are 3 or 4 "courts" which should have heard the case first, and then we "appeal" up the ladder if the other lower steps produce unsatisfactory results. I know this may be a bit difficult to grasp, as the DR process is not exactly like appealing an improper murder conviction which could result in an unjust hanging, but the point is there are steps to be taken, and we jumped ahead to the end here. I would have said so at the RFArb, but I did not want to stir up more mud, and I did not feel like it was my place to point out the error. You can always start all over at the formal RfC level and get some proper attention on the matter. There have been longer and less civil disagreements in the HP Project (eg: the Folken vs Sandpiper / OR edit wars ) that still have not gone to a proper RfC, no consensus has been reached yet whether Granger and Mugglenet can be used as sources for documenting fan theories. Compared to that, the "Rowling is an anarchist" playground skirmish is a minor blip on the radar screen for the Wiki bureaucrats and administrators at the ArbCom level. I would urge you to study the WP:DR page and follow the accepted process, in the proper order, if you want assistance with dealing with LibertyCookies. Some of the steps have been arguably done, but it needs to be documented before the next level in the appeals process will consider the matter. Please do not give up watching the pages. At least place citation needed tags in places where claims about Rowling and the HP series are made that are not properly sourced. That makes the objectionable material legally deletable and grounds for RfC if an edit war ensues. Don't give up the ship. -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 09:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC) OK; I've started a request for mediation. However, since it can't go ahead unless Libertycookies agrees with it, I don't see how it will help. What do I do if he rejects it? Serendipodous 10:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)- Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:T-dot"
Hey Seren, although I haven't participated in the discussion, I have followed the dispute for the past couple of days. I felt compelled to inform you that, despite agreeing with you and understanding your frustration with Liberty, I still find your last entry on the talk page ( here), serving no purpose other than to provoke Liberty. Ask yourself if the comment was really necessary? Anyhow, it's not a big deal, but I figured you would like to know this given that you have displayed an exemplary level of maturity and been quite civil for the most part of the discussion. Cheers! — Dorvaq ( talk) 14:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm at a loss of words for you. Maybe Pierce could be some help. Keep defaming me and spreading your interpretations and I will have you banned. Libertycookies 15:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh please. You've been trying for over a month to insinuate that Rowling must a socialist citation needed, even to the point of telling me citation needed that I'm some kind of authoritarian uberconservative citation needed for not allowing you to say so, and now you're accusing me of doing what you've been doing nonstop all these weeks? If not to claim that Rowling is a socialist, what point are you making with that section? Because right now it's just a random collection of quotes. Serendipodous 14:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I never said any of this and defy you to show where I did. Libertycookies 18:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
"The only thing from conservative [commentators] are the [right wing] criticisms for her socialist atti[t]udes that S. derides [when I had put them in the Controversies article]"
I've noticed how you have recieved multiple awards for the Harry Potter article. I'm a huge fan as well; I could practically write the books out word for word I've read them so many times. I was wondering if you'd partner with me to perfect that article. Just trying to get connected on wikipedia--
19:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Serendipodous. You are off to such a great start on the article Legal disputes over the Harry Potter series that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 14:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Serendipodous. You are off to such a great start on the article Religious controversy over the Harry Potter series that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page would help bring publicity to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ( Talk) 14:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)