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Talk:Mohan_Rakesh#3rd_opinion.
Message added 16:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Hitro talk 16:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC) Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:MilesMoney reported by User:Gaijin42 (Result: ). Thank you. Gaijin42 ( talk) 18:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Darkness Shines ( talk) 20:38, 27 December 2013 (UTC) You really need to back down on some of these fights. I just don't see how your crusade to lay the homosexual marriage material on Scott Rasmussen is justifiable. Mangoe ( talk) 21:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you edit-warring to include material on a living person which is in flagrant breach of WP:BLPSOURCES. The article has now been protected by another admin to prevent further edit warring. If I see you do this again, ever, on any article I shall block you. As you have never been blocked before, your first block would be for 31 hours. Please be advised and desist from adding poorly sourced material on BLPs as I do not think you would wish to be blocked. -- John ( talk) 21:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Sometimes less is more. Others have told you this before but it doesn't seem to be sinking in. Hectoring on article talk pages etc is bad enough but if you are perceived to be hectoring others at ANI then the outcome is unlikely to be good because in many respects it just makes people scratch that itch harder. I'm not saying that you should entirely refrain from responding but I am suggesting that you should think twice beforehand in order to avoid kneejerks etc. A. E. Housman: "Three minutes' thought would have told him he was wrong but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time". - Sitush ( talk) 02:11, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Of all the articles to edit, and of all the articles which result in a revert, this one take the cake: List of Asian pornographic actors. I'd hope that WP:WTAF would be a motivator to remove all the redlinks. But that did not happen in this case. One redlink was removed and one redlink was added. My gosh! (This message is being posted on both user talk pages.) – S. Rich ( talk) 00:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Anyone know what Srich's exact problem is with Red Links on a Talk page? I've been trying to create a list of names of actors that have been removed from the main List article to keep track of them, but Srich keeps removing them (and now claiming a 3RR exception because its BLP related) saying its a violation, but not referencing how or why. I've even adding references that a person with the name or stage name of each name listed is actually a porn actor/actress. Its not even my list, I just took the most recent names that have been removed and moved them to the Talk page. What more do we need? -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Ah, so you are familiar. Yeah, the GC article is a minefield these days. I keep trying to get things organized with suggestions of sections or how to organize the content, but to no avail. I know I'm probably put in the category of "gun nut", but I've gone out of my way to be neutral on a great many topics. I am fairly proud of the fact that the "Context and terminology" section that I wrote seems to be accepted, I wish it was an attribute of other articles to help stem the debate. Its silly really, why we can't just talk about the subject instead of debating the subject in the article, this would seemingly make all of this diatribe go away. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 00:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
See: WP:PORNSTAR. – S. Rich ( talk) 03:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC) Sorry it is not of more help. I think it's the only thing out there. I can't think of where else BLP or BDP notability guidelines might be set forth. – S. Rich ( talk) 04:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC) We were having this discussion on an article talk page [1], but this isn't relevant to the article, so I am moving it here. I told you that I believe you are violating WP:NPA by regularly referring to me and other editors as being part of "The Conservative Cloud." [2], [3], [4]. I believe this violates the tenet of the policy which states: "Racial, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, national, sexual, or other epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor, or against a group of contributors." When I brought this up with you, you said I was falsely accusing you of violating WP:NPA. [5] You said, "The quote was about "epithets", and "conservative" is not an epithet, it's their preferred term." First of all, "their" preferred term? What about my preferred term? Am I an individual, or just part of a mysterious "their" that you've lumped me in with? Second, I think "cloud" is what you're using as an epithet, more than conservative. What do you mean by "cloud?" It sounds like you mean some sort of menacing group of people hovering over Wikipedia in some unsavory way. As WP:NPA states many times, this policy is subjective. If someone is accused of making a personal attack, it should be taken seriously. Why are you claiming I am "falsely accusing" you? Do you have a reason for thinking that? The fact is, I believe that you've made a personal attack. Perhaps that was not your intent. But the fact that your word choice could cause someone to feel that they've been a victim of personal attack might cause you to reflect on your language. Please don't refer to me as being part of any kind of "cloud" in the future. Safehaven86 ( talk) 06:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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You tell em Miles It appears Arthur Rubin has been blocked from editing Tea Party articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tea_Party_movement#Arthur_Rubin_topic-banned and also using a sock puppet to evade the block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive142#Arthur_Rubin which I believe you reported which is why I'm posting here. See http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Virginia_Thomas&action=history who is a Tea Party person. He deleted her External links: official, her own jobs, column archives and statements on C-SPAN, Open Secrets several times - nothing controversial or outside guidelines, just another blatant whitewash attempt. This is an Admin? ArbCom candidate? What's going on here? 71.23.178.214 ( talk) 15:44, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, well. Seems your "Conservative Cloud" got their usual go-to guy Plasticspork to do their dirty work delete for them with Template NGOlinks
Not long before you were blocked for 48 hours. They'll do absolutely anything to conceal facts, won't they? Just for the record, these are the sources they were so terrified to let the encyclopedia readers see: ( NGOLinks | ballot = | nndb = | votesmart = | charity = | guidestar = | factcheck = | politifact = | influence = | opensecrets = | worldcat = | c-span = | imdb = | bloomberg = | economist = | ft = | guardian = | huffpo = | nyt = | wsj = | washpo = | washtime = )
So now "their" articles are back to their preferred mix of spin and whitewash, "their" definition of the role of an encyclopedia. Thandor et al now have their sites set on getting Template:CongLinks deleted - check the Talk page for that template. What a way to start the new year, eh? Wikipedia morphs into Conservapedia. Bell Pottinger is going to look like a tempest in a teapot compared to this. 71.23.178.214 ( talk) 02:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Just FYI: User_talk:BD2412#Query -- Calton | Talk 04:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I heard a rumor that User:Adjwilley was really a sockpuppet of User:Jimbo. I think it was on a self-published source, like a biased blog or something. MilesMoney ( talk) 07:26, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Speaking of reliable sources, don't make bad faith edit summaries about me. Reliable Sourcing had nothing to do with that edit you so haphazardly reverted. Arzel ( talk) 16:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Note discussion started. Collect ( talk) 22:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC) I've blocked you for 48 hours for abusing the thanks function as well as the other notification function, compare
this conversation on Someguy's page. See
WP:BATTLE. You stated on ANI that You are being discussed at ANI and may respond here. TFD ( talk) 02:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=I agree not to Thank or otherwise notify Collect. Unblocking would give me the opportunity to explain how the misunderstanding occurred and defend myself at ANI. If you would not agree to unblock me on this basis, I ask that you at least unblock me for the purpose of responding on ANI. [[User:MilesMoney|MilesMoney]] ([[User talk:MilesMoney#top|talk]]) 03:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)}}
This ANI report is the sequel to that one. The same people who tried for two weeks to get me banned then are trying again. Here's what TP, the closing admin, wrote:
He's right. ANI is not the place for this. If the community has a problem with my behavior, then we should take this to RFC/U. MilesMoney ( talk) 05:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC) FWIW, this comes off as a pretty good summation of things, and includes some helpful advice for anyone trying to deal with clouds. Sportfan5000 ( talk) 12:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that another sockpuppet accusation has been thrown at me. Obviously, ANI is the wrong place for such things, but they've already tried SPI a few different ways, and there's no puppeting going on. So why would they bring it up? Well, one reason is to justify getting rid of me. Can you think of any others? Speaking of accusations, I'm told that I "harassed Collect's talk page". This isn't true, but it sure sounds bad, almost as if it reinforces ThanksGate. Really, what's with all the falsehoods? How can you pretend this ANI report is more than a lynching when my accusers can't stick to the truth? MilesMoney ( talk) 17:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I love how an ANI report that is supposed to be about my behavior is being distorted by the same old trick of claiming I'm a sockpuppet. Again, this line of attack has been tried a half dozen times, most of which made it all the way to SPI before being laughed away. Despite this, we have yet another editor muddying the waters (or blooding them) with more of the same. ANI is not SPI, people. MilesMoney ( talk) 01:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC) MilesMoney, left the following comment on my (NK's) talk page: This revert constitutes edit-warring, particularly as you left no edit comment and did not participate in the subsequent talk page discussion. Please do not edit-war. MilesMoney ( talk) 19:09, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Standard wikipedia practice WP:TPO is Miles Money may remove any comment from their talk page except declined unblock notices and notices of sanctions. I recommend they do so with either a neutral summary or no edit summary, but not liking his edit summary is not a reason to reinstate it. Except for admins declining unblock requests, the only legitimate reasons to be posting on a block user's page is to provide advice or counsel the blocked user may find helpful; if the editor removes the comments that's a really strong clue they're not finding the commentary helpful. NE Ent 17:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I am asking for an admin to WP:IAR by closing the WP:ANI report against me as invalid. MilesMoney ( talk) 22:49, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I was asked to clarify something. If I'm blocked or banned or otherwise left in a position where I can no longer edit the articles on my watchlist, the next step is to visit ArbCom with all of my accumulated evidence against the Conservative Cloud. I've been hesitant because they have a reputation for smiting everyone equally, but if I have nothing left to lose then I have much to gain. MilesMoney ( talk) 00:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't want to harp on this, but I should have been allowed to defend myself from the get-go, and now it's too late. There have been two days of unanswered slander against me. The well is poisoned and the ANI has snowballed into a full lynching. There is a pretty obvious feedback mechanism, where even non-involved editors are influenced by the tide of involved editors and their slander. This ANI is spoiled. MilesMoney ( talk) 18:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
misread "smiting" subjectLast night I mis-read and misinterpreted who Miles was referring to doing smiting. I believed he suggested he rould. That is, on reread, clearly NOT what Miles wrote and I apologize for that. My comment sections above where I warned him against smiting people or wanting to flowed directly from that mistead and were not helpful under the circumstances. I retract those specific comments and will go through and detail strike out those sections once I am editing from a desktop computer later today. I think Specifico was the one who commented on my talk page and pointed this out (not enouvh browser tabs left to recheck/verify that credit) and is thanked for noticing and calling my attention to my mistake. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 18:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
MilesMoney, you have expressed a desire to get evidence-based feedback from editors who don't bear a particular grudge against you. I think I qualify: we have not had any acrimonious disagreement that I am aware of, and although I have general concerns about your behavior (as well as behavior of some of your interlocutors), I think I can help direct a reasonable and dispassionate analysis of the disputes you've been in. I propose to open an RFC/U with an unconventional structure. The focus of the first phase would be on cataloging the disputes you have been involved in, without seeking to assign blame but just to identify the parameters of each dispute: when it started, how long it lasted, who was significantly involved, what it was about, what parts of Wikipedia were affected, what the outcome was. The end result of this phase should be something that basically everyone should be able to stipulate to as factual, and will provide a common reference for later phases of the RFC. The second phase would be to solicit input from the RFC participants, asking them to identify a few specific diffs from each dispute (not limited to your contributions only) that they feel were particularly constructive or unconstructive. Debate over what other editors have identified will not be allowed at this point. The third phase is to have a moderated discussion on the talk page about the diffs identified in the second phase. The fourth and final phase is like the traditional RFC format, where each editor can summarize their opinions of the matter, express support for others' opinions, and suggest behavioral changes and/or sanctions that should take place (not limited exclusively to your behavior). A wholly uninvolved administrator will be asked to review the RFC, close it, and take any necessary measures indicated. I envision each phase taking three or four days. This will require a fair amount of my free time to do properly so I must ask first whether you are willing to participate in good faith in such a process and on your best behavior. You must also be willing to step away temporarily (for the duration of the RFC) from all current disputes you are involved in, and to refrain from engaging in new ones. (As a formality you will also need to waive the normal RFC/U certification requirements.) If you are willing to do all this, and if administrators following this page or the AN/I stuff are comfortable with it, then I will initiate the RFC and propose that the ANI discussion be closed—neither as invalid nor resolved, but as superseded by this more formal process. Is this agreeable to you? alanyst 16:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
You don't believe I'm neutral, Miles? Good to see you come out of your closet of hints about my block and say so. You could perhaps be more explicit still. When you piped a link to my New Year's greeting to my old friend
User:MONGO in your comment above, "
it's not as if we're following the rules, is it?", do you mean to suggest I was guided or prompted by MONGO to place the block? Also, I wondered about how, quoting you again, "these very same editors" (=the Conservative Cloud?) saw an opportunity to get rid of you "after engineering the block," my block. Engineering? And how was the "Apparent Battleground/POV editing" ANI thread "strategically timed to coincide with Collect's block [or as I would call it my block, unless I'm conspiring with Collect as well?]," so that you wouldn't be able to respond? Am I in cahoots with
The Four Deuces as well as MONGO? Nobody likes being blocked, I can sympathize with that. But you and I have never interacted as far as I can recollect; I've never taken any interest to speak of in the articles you edit and discuss, and I'll also mention that I think you and I are in the same political "cloud" (you and me and
Drmies, all three of us). It was for these collected reasons I thought I was a proper admin to block you over the "thanking" business. Nobody contacted me to suggest it, and I didn't advise with anybody, but I read the ANI thread carefully first, especially your own comments. Am I part of a right-wing conspiracy in your opinion? Canvassing or being canvassed against you off-line? If so, I hope it is going to ArbCom and my actions are, as you say, "placed under proper scrutiny," along with my co-conspirators. As for the kind of RFC you describe, Alanyst, I've no opinion, but anyway certainly no objection. I blocked Miles; I have no regrets; the block will expire pretty soon, and I've rather disengaged from this matter. You may notice I haven't commented in the second ANI thread.
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talk 20:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC). P. S. Miles, also, I didn't know TFD was going to open a ban discussion on ANI after I'd blocked you. AFAIK I've never communicated with him/her, on or off line.
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talk 20:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC).
I am about to close the ANI thread concerning you. I see on your talk page that you have concerns that perhaps you haven't been given an ample opportunity to defend yourself. I'll offer you an opportunity now to address any specific concerns. The format that would be most helpful would be if you could point to a specific accusation in the ANI thread with a diff and then provide diffs that conflict with the accusation. I'll give you a few hours, but I can't promise that I'll wait for your response if I don't hear from you soon. This is kind of an unorthodox opportunity I am offering.--v/r - T P 21:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
TParisThe arbcom does have some evidence of edit warring by MM, but I think is not at the core of the ANI/RFCU issues (although could certainly be one more bit of evidence of TE, and inability to accept any content that does not fit his worldview. ) Gaijin42 ( talk) 23:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Just for everyone's reference who might be following things here, there is a page now created at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/MilesMoney. It is not yet not yet a certified RFC/U, and so far I haven't seen any significant discussion at ANI about RFC/U as an alternative to the proposed sanctions. It's mostly been yea or nay on what was proposed (plus the far too typical sideshows). Theoretically any close other than a site ban could be followed by an RFC/U, whether the close mentions it or not. FWIW, HTH. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
@ TParis: it's a moot point now, but the idea of a copy & paste of comments from the usertalkpage to the ANI sounds incredibly awkward. For instance, what if the editor wanted to refute particular statements? With 30+ !votes under consideration, we might get 30+ comments or refutations. In any event it seems that MM's first post-block edit was here. (And now what should we do with the ANI?) – S. Rich ( talk) 01:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC) I am adding you to this arbcom, but expect that it will shortly be moot based on the ANI. [ [10]] Gaijin42 ( talk) 22:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC) I can't respond to everything in the time remaining, but I can at least respond to TFD's original post.
It turns out that everything I tried to link to Rothbard is legitimate.
On all three points that TFD tried to characterize as trying to link Rothbard with "bad things", I was right to do so. In fact, the article currently does link him to all three. What TFD did here was to weave a false narrative in which I'm trying to discredit Rothbard, when the truth is that I was on the side of not whitewashing the article, and that side won out.
This is 80% lies, 20% BS.
This is a combination of misinterpretation, cherry-picking and ancient archeology.
Now, I don't claim to be an innocent, but I deal with some of the ugliest places on Wikipedia, where there are actual personal attacks all the time and I've learned to just redact them and move on, instead of responding in kind. The fact that he wasn't able to find any clear and genuine examples of personal attacks just goes to show how wrong-minded and unfair his summary is.
My response to Bishonen on my talk page covers the Collect issue, which is a misunderstanding, and the LvMI article ban is old news. How does any of this translate to "burn the witch"? In my six months here, there have been dozens of attempts to get me blocked on any basis possible, using tools such as SPI and ANI. It's not primarily about my behavior, although that can often be misinterpreted to provide an opportunity. It's about my goal, which is to keep libertarian-related articles honest with reliably-sourced, relevant facts prominently in the articles. This goal is opposed by the Conservative Cloud, which includes TFD and which has uniformly voted to get rid of me (again), which is what motivates them to pile on to ANI's such as this one and pack them with false accusations. I believe I've shown that the original post by TFD was predominantly false. I can do that for all the rest of the other attacks on me, but time does not permit it. If you've voted to get rid of me based on false allegations, you may wish to reconsider your vote. This is more complicated than it looks, and "kill the bad editor" is not an honest narrative of what's going on here. It's more like "West Side Story", except without all that singing and dancing. MilesMoney ( talk) 22:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC) For my sake, please refrain from editing anywhere but the ANI thread about you and the Arbcom case to which you are a party for the next hour, when your block would've naturally expired.--v/r - T P 23:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I have no opinion as to MM's fate, but its a disgrace that we have many Admin eyes on ANI and they routinely allow these farces to unfold same way each time. In case anybody thinks it doesn't matter, we need only look to the good faith error that Georgewilliamherbert made or the good faith nonsense that Adjwilley posted accusing me of badgering an editor for a simple application of WP policy earlier today. It's propaganda 101 that repeating half-truths and miscellaneous accusations eventually results in a significant number of readers accepting them as fact. I'm appalled at the unwillingness or inability of the community of Admins to keep things more orderly on WP. SPECIFICO talk 00:25, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I should probably explain. TParis closed an ANI against me, favoring draconian measures. It was immediately reopened and led to just a single-article ban. Later, when Rocco's ANI against me didn't quickly lead to a ban, it was allowed to fester for two fucking weeks until I demanded that they close it. Now, TParis is closing an ANI against me just hours after an unblock. This isn't purely about TParis, but it's a sign that something is very wrong with the timing of these reports. There is a tendency to rush to draconian punishments. MilesMoney ( talk) 00:36, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm writing up a response to ArbCom questions now, and I'll mention it, but I don't want my own experiences to take front and center. I'm just one of many editors who's been driven off this way. I'm not the first, but I'd like to be the last. MilesMoney ( talk) 09:15, 5 January 2014 (UTC) As you already have guessed, the consensus at WP:ANI was that you be Community banned from Wikipedia. You may appeal to WP:BASC at any time or you may contact an uninvolved administrator, such as myself or anyone you trust, to appeal to WP:AN no earlier than 6 months from now. Alternatively, since you've already raised the option, if you choose to proceed with an Arbcom case, you may request to be unblocked for that purpose.--v/r - T P 03:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
It looks like EllenCT has petitioned TParis to reverse his refusal to allow the RFC/U to continue. There's more at User_talk:TParis#Please_un-ban_MilesMoney, but highlights include Rich "helpfully" butting in to support the ban and Ellen mistakenly thinking I have some interest in Asian porn actors. Bring some popcorn. MilesMoney ( talk) 10:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Apparently, it used to be harder to site ban someone. There was some sort of procedure that took a bit of time and offered checks and balances to prevent a lynching. Naturally, this was done away with because it's so inconvenient. Now, EllenCT has suggested a minimum duration for ANI reports leading to site bans, which is entirely reasonable and therefore enormously unpopular. MilesMoney ( talk) 19:36, 5 January 2014 (UTC) I strongly encourage you to bring up the SPI accusations that the users who pushed for your block previously made against you. These previous (and frivolous/dismissed) attempts to get you booted off WP illustrate their vendetta against you. If anyone on Arbcom has taken high school stats, s/he will consider the reasoning used in this SPI to be highly revealing. Please compile a list of examples that illustrate the limitations of your accusers and the lack of credibility underlying their allegations. Steeletrap ( talk) 23:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
You also need to mention to Arbcom that the closing admin either ignored (or was ignorant of) the rules. Per WP:CBAN, a consensus for a community ban must be established by uninvolved editors. TP's vote count failed to take into account whether a user was involved or not. Steeletrap ( talk) 23:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it's safer to avoid bad neighborhoods, but it's the bad neighborhoods where I can do some good. Somehow, the articles on minor characters in soap operas will be just fine without my attention. MilesMoney ( talk) 15:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
A battleground mentality is not a good thing. But admitting you have it is the second step to getting better. The first is to stop accepting high-fives. MilesMoney ( talk) 05:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You are being discussed at ANI and may respond here. TFD ( talk) 09:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
If the koch list is intended as arbcom evidence, maybe a userspace subpage would be more appropriate, especially if a header indicated its intended purpose. However, as is going on in the current gun control arbcom, they are quite clear that they don't involve themselves in the content dispute, but only behavior (ANI+?) so evidence would need to be on point to be plausible. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC) You might want to tone it down it bit. Getting blocked/banned again hasn't help the project and wasted a lot of folks' time. Just saying. -- Malerooster ( talk) 02:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
User:Bishonen, you told User:Malerooster not to post here again, and yet he did. Guess he ignored your warning. MilesMoney ( talk) 04:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
One of the points that I've made is that the block is about settling personal grudges. Each time someone comes here to taunt me or defaces my user page [12] [13], it just proves my point again. If it wasn't personal, why all the venom? Why the back-patting between PrairieKid and Rich? Why the baiting by Rooster and NK? Please don't tell me that this is a calm, reasonable decision to deal with a disruptive editor. MilesMoney ( talk) 04:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC) A case is under review by the ArbCom at WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case on Austrian economics. If the ArbCom accepts the case, that case would be a reasonable vehicle for you to appeal your "community ban" to request that it be reviewed in the case. If you wish to be included as a party to the case, you may email them at arbcom-appeals-en@lists.wikimedia.org. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
We have received and considered an appeal of MilesMoney's community ban. We have now decided to dismiss this appeal, and the appellant has been informed to this effect. For the Ban Appeals Subcommittee, AGK [•] 23:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC) There is a Split proposal discussion on the Gun politics in the U.S. talk page that may be of interest to you. Lightbreather ( talk) 04:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, MilesMoney. You have new messages at
Talk:Mohan_Rakesh#3rd_opinion.
Message added 16:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Hitro talk 16:37, 27 December 2013 (UTC) Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:MilesMoney reported by User:Gaijin42 (Result: ). Thank you. Gaijin42 ( talk) 18:36, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Darkness Shines ( talk) 20:38, 27 December 2013 (UTC) You really need to back down on some of these fights. I just don't see how your crusade to lay the homosexual marriage material on Scott Rasmussen is justifiable. Mangoe ( talk) 21:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you edit-warring to include material on a living person which is in flagrant breach of WP:BLPSOURCES. The article has now been protected by another admin to prevent further edit warring. If I see you do this again, ever, on any article I shall block you. As you have never been blocked before, your first block would be for 31 hours. Please be advised and desist from adding poorly sourced material on BLPs as I do not think you would wish to be blocked. -- John ( talk) 21:55, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Sometimes less is more. Others have told you this before but it doesn't seem to be sinking in. Hectoring on article talk pages etc is bad enough but if you are perceived to be hectoring others at ANI then the outcome is unlikely to be good because in many respects it just makes people scratch that itch harder. I'm not saying that you should entirely refrain from responding but I am suggesting that you should think twice beforehand in order to avoid kneejerks etc. A. E. Housman: "Three minutes' thought would have told him he was wrong but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time". - Sitush ( talk) 02:11, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Of all the articles to edit, and of all the articles which result in a revert, this one take the cake: List of Asian pornographic actors. I'd hope that WP:WTAF would be a motivator to remove all the redlinks. But that did not happen in this case. One redlink was removed and one redlink was added. My gosh! (This message is being posted on both user talk pages.) – S. Rich ( talk) 00:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Anyone know what Srich's exact problem is with Red Links on a Talk page? I've been trying to create a list of names of actors that have been removed from the main List article to keep track of them, but Srich keeps removing them (and now claiming a 3RR exception because its BLP related) saying its a violation, but not referencing how or why. I've even adding references that a person with the name or stage name of each name listed is actually a porn actor/actress. Its not even my list, I just took the most recent names that have been removed and moved them to the Talk page. What more do we need? -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 17:47, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Ah, so you are familiar. Yeah, the GC article is a minefield these days. I keep trying to get things organized with suggestions of sections or how to organize the content, but to no avail. I know I'm probably put in the category of "gun nut", but I've gone out of my way to be neutral on a great many topics. I am fairly proud of the fact that the "Context and terminology" section that I wrote seems to be accepted, I wish it was an attribute of other articles to help stem the debate. Its silly really, why we can't just talk about the subject instead of debating the subject in the article, this would seemingly make all of this diatribe go away. -- Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... ( talk) 00:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
See: WP:PORNSTAR. – S. Rich ( talk) 03:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC) Sorry it is not of more help. I think it's the only thing out there. I can't think of where else BLP or BDP notability guidelines might be set forth. – S. Rich ( talk) 04:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC) We were having this discussion on an article talk page [1], but this isn't relevant to the article, so I am moving it here. I told you that I believe you are violating WP:NPA by regularly referring to me and other editors as being part of "The Conservative Cloud." [2], [3], [4]. I believe this violates the tenet of the policy which states: "Racial, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, religious, political, ethnic, national, sexual, or other epithets (such as against people with disabilities) directed against another contributor, or against a group of contributors." When I brought this up with you, you said I was falsely accusing you of violating WP:NPA. [5] You said, "The quote was about "epithets", and "conservative" is not an epithet, it's their preferred term." First of all, "their" preferred term? What about my preferred term? Am I an individual, or just part of a mysterious "their" that you've lumped me in with? Second, I think "cloud" is what you're using as an epithet, more than conservative. What do you mean by "cloud?" It sounds like you mean some sort of menacing group of people hovering over Wikipedia in some unsavory way. As WP:NPA states many times, this policy is subjective. If someone is accused of making a personal attack, it should be taken seriously. Why are you claiming I am "falsely accusing" you? Do you have a reason for thinking that? The fact is, I believe that you've made a personal attack. Perhaps that was not your intent. But the fact that your word choice could cause someone to feel that they've been a victim of personal attack might cause you to reflect on your language. Please don't refer to me as being part of any kind of "cloud" in the future. Safehaven86 ( talk) 06:59, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
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You tell em Miles It appears Arthur Rubin has been blocked from editing Tea Party articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tea_Party_movement#Arthur_Rubin_topic-banned and also using a sock puppet to evade the block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive142#Arthur_Rubin which I believe you reported which is why I'm posting here. See http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Virginia_Thomas&action=history who is a Tea Party person. He deleted her External links: official, her own jobs, column archives and statements on C-SPAN, Open Secrets several times - nothing controversial or outside guidelines, just another blatant whitewash attempt. This is an Admin? ArbCom candidate? What's going on here? 71.23.178.214 ( talk) 15:44, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, well. Seems your "Conservative Cloud" got their usual go-to guy Plasticspork to do their dirty work delete for them with Template NGOlinks
Not long before you were blocked for 48 hours. They'll do absolutely anything to conceal facts, won't they? Just for the record, these are the sources they were so terrified to let the encyclopedia readers see: ( NGOLinks | ballot = | nndb = | votesmart = | charity = | guidestar = | factcheck = | politifact = | influence = | opensecrets = | worldcat = | c-span = | imdb = | bloomberg = | economist = | ft = | guardian = | huffpo = | nyt = | wsj = | washpo = | washtime = )
So now "their" articles are back to their preferred mix of spin and whitewash, "their" definition of the role of an encyclopedia. Thandor et al now have their sites set on getting Template:CongLinks deleted - check the Talk page for that template. What a way to start the new year, eh? Wikipedia morphs into Conservapedia. Bell Pottinger is going to look like a tempest in a teapot compared to this. 71.23.178.214 ( talk) 02:52, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Just FYI: User_talk:BD2412#Query -- Calton | Talk 04:29, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I heard a rumor that User:Adjwilley was really a sockpuppet of User:Jimbo. I think it was on a self-published source, like a biased blog or something. MilesMoney ( talk) 07:26, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Speaking of reliable sources, don't make bad faith edit summaries about me. Reliable Sourcing had nothing to do with that edit you so haphazardly reverted. Arzel ( talk) 16:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Note discussion started. Collect ( talk) 22:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC) I've blocked you for 48 hours for abusing the thanks function as well as the other notification function, compare
this conversation on Someguy's page. See
WP:BATTLE. You stated on ANI that You are being discussed at ANI and may respond here. TFD ( talk) 02:58, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=I agree not to Thank or otherwise notify Collect. Unblocking would give me the opportunity to explain how the misunderstanding occurred and defend myself at ANI. If you would not agree to unblock me on this basis, I ask that you at least unblock me for the purpose of responding on ANI. [[User:MilesMoney|MilesMoney]] ([[User talk:MilesMoney#top|talk]]) 03:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)}}
This ANI report is the sequel to that one. The same people who tried for two weeks to get me banned then are trying again. Here's what TP, the closing admin, wrote:
He's right. ANI is not the place for this. If the community has a problem with my behavior, then we should take this to RFC/U. MilesMoney ( talk) 05:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC) FWIW, this comes off as a pretty good summation of things, and includes some helpful advice for anyone trying to deal with clouds. Sportfan5000 ( talk) 12:12, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that another sockpuppet accusation has been thrown at me. Obviously, ANI is the wrong place for such things, but they've already tried SPI a few different ways, and there's no puppeting going on. So why would they bring it up? Well, one reason is to justify getting rid of me. Can you think of any others? Speaking of accusations, I'm told that I "harassed Collect's talk page". This isn't true, but it sure sounds bad, almost as if it reinforces ThanksGate. Really, what's with all the falsehoods? How can you pretend this ANI report is more than a lynching when my accusers can't stick to the truth? MilesMoney ( talk) 17:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I love how an ANI report that is supposed to be about my behavior is being distorted by the same old trick of claiming I'm a sockpuppet. Again, this line of attack has been tried a half dozen times, most of which made it all the way to SPI before being laughed away. Despite this, we have yet another editor muddying the waters (or blooding them) with more of the same. ANI is not SPI, people. MilesMoney ( talk) 01:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC) MilesMoney, left the following comment on my (NK's) talk page: This revert constitutes edit-warring, particularly as you left no edit comment and did not participate in the subsequent talk page discussion. Please do not edit-war. MilesMoney ( talk) 19:09, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Standard wikipedia practice WP:TPO is Miles Money may remove any comment from their talk page except declined unblock notices and notices of sanctions. I recommend they do so with either a neutral summary or no edit summary, but not liking his edit summary is not a reason to reinstate it. Except for admins declining unblock requests, the only legitimate reasons to be posting on a block user's page is to provide advice or counsel the blocked user may find helpful; if the editor removes the comments that's a really strong clue they're not finding the commentary helpful. NE Ent 17:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I am asking for an admin to WP:IAR by closing the WP:ANI report against me as invalid. MilesMoney ( talk) 22:49, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I was asked to clarify something. If I'm blocked or banned or otherwise left in a position where I can no longer edit the articles on my watchlist, the next step is to visit ArbCom with all of my accumulated evidence against the Conservative Cloud. I've been hesitant because they have a reputation for smiting everyone equally, but if I have nothing left to lose then I have much to gain. MilesMoney ( talk) 00:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't want to harp on this, but I should have been allowed to defend myself from the get-go, and now it's too late. There have been two days of unanswered slander against me. The well is poisoned and the ANI has snowballed into a full lynching. There is a pretty obvious feedback mechanism, where even non-involved editors are influenced by the tide of involved editors and their slander. This ANI is spoiled. MilesMoney ( talk) 18:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
misread "smiting" subjectLast night I mis-read and misinterpreted who Miles was referring to doing smiting. I believed he suggested he rould. That is, on reread, clearly NOT what Miles wrote and I apologize for that. My comment sections above where I warned him against smiting people or wanting to flowed directly from that mistead and were not helpful under the circumstances. I retract those specific comments and will go through and detail strike out those sections once I am editing from a desktop computer later today. I think Specifico was the one who commented on my talk page and pointed this out (not enouvh browser tabs left to recheck/verify that credit) and is thanked for noticing and calling my attention to my mistake. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 18:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
MilesMoney, you have expressed a desire to get evidence-based feedback from editors who don't bear a particular grudge against you. I think I qualify: we have not had any acrimonious disagreement that I am aware of, and although I have general concerns about your behavior (as well as behavior of some of your interlocutors), I think I can help direct a reasonable and dispassionate analysis of the disputes you've been in. I propose to open an RFC/U with an unconventional structure. The focus of the first phase would be on cataloging the disputes you have been involved in, without seeking to assign blame but just to identify the parameters of each dispute: when it started, how long it lasted, who was significantly involved, what it was about, what parts of Wikipedia were affected, what the outcome was. The end result of this phase should be something that basically everyone should be able to stipulate to as factual, and will provide a common reference for later phases of the RFC. The second phase would be to solicit input from the RFC participants, asking them to identify a few specific diffs from each dispute (not limited to your contributions only) that they feel were particularly constructive or unconstructive. Debate over what other editors have identified will not be allowed at this point. The third phase is to have a moderated discussion on the talk page about the diffs identified in the second phase. The fourth and final phase is like the traditional RFC format, where each editor can summarize their opinions of the matter, express support for others' opinions, and suggest behavioral changes and/or sanctions that should take place (not limited exclusively to your behavior). A wholly uninvolved administrator will be asked to review the RFC, close it, and take any necessary measures indicated. I envision each phase taking three or four days. This will require a fair amount of my free time to do properly so I must ask first whether you are willing to participate in good faith in such a process and on your best behavior. You must also be willing to step away temporarily (for the duration of the RFC) from all current disputes you are involved in, and to refrain from engaging in new ones. (As a formality you will also need to waive the normal RFC/U certification requirements.) If you are willing to do all this, and if administrators following this page or the AN/I stuff are comfortable with it, then I will initiate the RFC and propose that the ANI discussion be closed—neither as invalid nor resolved, but as superseded by this more formal process. Is this agreeable to you? alanyst 16:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
You don't believe I'm neutral, Miles? Good to see you come out of your closet of hints about my block and say so. You could perhaps be more explicit still. When you piped a link to my New Year's greeting to my old friend
User:MONGO in your comment above, "
it's not as if we're following the rules, is it?", do you mean to suggest I was guided or prompted by MONGO to place the block? Also, I wondered about how, quoting you again, "these very same editors" (=the Conservative Cloud?) saw an opportunity to get rid of you "after engineering the block," my block. Engineering? And how was the "Apparent Battleground/POV editing" ANI thread "strategically timed to coincide with Collect's block [or as I would call it my block, unless I'm conspiring with Collect as well?]," so that you wouldn't be able to respond? Am I in cahoots with
The Four Deuces as well as MONGO? Nobody likes being blocked, I can sympathize with that. But you and I have never interacted as far as I can recollect; I've never taken any interest to speak of in the articles you edit and discuss, and I'll also mention that I think you and I are in the same political "cloud" (you and me and
Drmies, all three of us). It was for these collected reasons I thought I was a proper admin to block you over the "thanking" business. Nobody contacted me to suggest it, and I didn't advise with anybody, but I read the ANI thread carefully first, especially your own comments. Am I part of a right-wing conspiracy in your opinion? Canvassing or being canvassed against you off-line? If so, I hope it is going to ArbCom and my actions are, as you say, "placed under proper scrutiny," along with my co-conspirators. As for the kind of RFC you describe, Alanyst, I've no opinion, but anyway certainly no objection. I blocked Miles; I have no regrets; the block will expire pretty soon, and I've rather disengaged from this matter. You may notice I haven't commented in the second ANI thread.
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talk 20:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC). P. S. Miles, also, I didn't know TFD was going to open a ban discussion on ANI after I'd blocked you. AFAIK I've never communicated with him/her, on or off line.
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talk 20:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC).
I am about to close the ANI thread concerning you. I see on your talk page that you have concerns that perhaps you haven't been given an ample opportunity to defend yourself. I'll offer you an opportunity now to address any specific concerns. The format that would be most helpful would be if you could point to a specific accusation in the ANI thread with a diff and then provide diffs that conflict with the accusation. I'll give you a few hours, but I can't promise that I'll wait for your response if I don't hear from you soon. This is kind of an unorthodox opportunity I am offering.--v/r - T P 21:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
TParisThe arbcom does have some evidence of edit warring by MM, but I think is not at the core of the ANI/RFCU issues (although could certainly be one more bit of evidence of TE, and inability to accept any content that does not fit his worldview. ) Gaijin42 ( talk) 23:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Just for everyone's reference who might be following things here, there is a page now created at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/MilesMoney. It is not yet not yet a certified RFC/U, and so far I haven't seen any significant discussion at ANI about RFC/U as an alternative to the proposed sanctions. It's mostly been yea or nay on what was proposed (plus the far too typical sideshows). Theoretically any close other than a site ban could be followed by an RFC/U, whether the close mentions it or not. FWIW, HTH. -- RL0919 ( talk) 23:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
@ TParis: it's a moot point now, but the idea of a copy & paste of comments from the usertalkpage to the ANI sounds incredibly awkward. For instance, what if the editor wanted to refute particular statements? With 30+ !votes under consideration, we might get 30+ comments or refutations. In any event it seems that MM's first post-block edit was here. (And now what should we do with the ANI?) – S. Rich ( talk) 01:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC) I am adding you to this arbcom, but expect that it will shortly be moot based on the ANI. [ [10]] Gaijin42 ( talk) 22:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC) I can't respond to everything in the time remaining, but I can at least respond to TFD's original post.
It turns out that everything I tried to link to Rothbard is legitimate.
On all three points that TFD tried to characterize as trying to link Rothbard with "bad things", I was right to do so. In fact, the article currently does link him to all three. What TFD did here was to weave a false narrative in which I'm trying to discredit Rothbard, when the truth is that I was on the side of not whitewashing the article, and that side won out.
This is 80% lies, 20% BS.
This is a combination of misinterpretation, cherry-picking and ancient archeology.
Now, I don't claim to be an innocent, but I deal with some of the ugliest places on Wikipedia, where there are actual personal attacks all the time and I've learned to just redact them and move on, instead of responding in kind. The fact that he wasn't able to find any clear and genuine examples of personal attacks just goes to show how wrong-minded and unfair his summary is.
My response to Bishonen on my talk page covers the Collect issue, which is a misunderstanding, and the LvMI article ban is old news. How does any of this translate to "burn the witch"? In my six months here, there have been dozens of attempts to get me blocked on any basis possible, using tools such as SPI and ANI. It's not primarily about my behavior, although that can often be misinterpreted to provide an opportunity. It's about my goal, which is to keep libertarian-related articles honest with reliably-sourced, relevant facts prominently in the articles. This goal is opposed by the Conservative Cloud, which includes TFD and which has uniformly voted to get rid of me (again), which is what motivates them to pile on to ANI's such as this one and pack them with false accusations. I believe I've shown that the original post by TFD was predominantly false. I can do that for all the rest of the other attacks on me, but time does not permit it. If you've voted to get rid of me based on false allegations, you may wish to reconsider your vote. This is more complicated than it looks, and "kill the bad editor" is not an honest narrative of what's going on here. It's more like "West Side Story", except without all that singing and dancing. MilesMoney ( talk) 22:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC) For my sake, please refrain from editing anywhere but the ANI thread about you and the Arbcom case to which you are a party for the next hour, when your block would've naturally expired.--v/r - T P 23:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I have no opinion as to MM's fate, but its a disgrace that we have many Admin eyes on ANI and they routinely allow these farces to unfold same way each time. In case anybody thinks it doesn't matter, we need only look to the good faith error that Georgewilliamherbert made or the good faith nonsense that Adjwilley posted accusing me of badgering an editor for a simple application of WP policy earlier today. It's propaganda 101 that repeating half-truths and miscellaneous accusations eventually results in a significant number of readers accepting them as fact. I'm appalled at the unwillingness or inability of the community of Admins to keep things more orderly on WP. SPECIFICO talk 00:25, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I should probably explain. TParis closed an ANI against me, favoring draconian measures. It was immediately reopened and led to just a single-article ban. Later, when Rocco's ANI against me didn't quickly lead to a ban, it was allowed to fester for two fucking weeks until I demanded that they close it. Now, TParis is closing an ANI against me just hours after an unblock. This isn't purely about TParis, but it's a sign that something is very wrong with the timing of these reports. There is a tendency to rush to draconian punishments. MilesMoney ( talk) 00:36, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm writing up a response to ArbCom questions now, and I'll mention it, but I don't want my own experiences to take front and center. I'm just one of many editors who's been driven off this way. I'm not the first, but I'd like to be the last. MilesMoney ( talk) 09:15, 5 January 2014 (UTC) As you already have guessed, the consensus at WP:ANI was that you be Community banned from Wikipedia. You may appeal to WP:BASC at any time or you may contact an uninvolved administrator, such as myself or anyone you trust, to appeal to WP:AN no earlier than 6 months from now. Alternatively, since you've already raised the option, if you choose to proceed with an Arbcom case, you may request to be unblocked for that purpose.--v/r - T P 03:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
It looks like EllenCT has petitioned TParis to reverse his refusal to allow the RFC/U to continue. There's more at User_talk:TParis#Please_un-ban_MilesMoney, but highlights include Rich "helpfully" butting in to support the ban and Ellen mistakenly thinking I have some interest in Asian porn actors. Bring some popcorn. MilesMoney ( talk) 10:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC) Apparently, it used to be harder to site ban someone. There was some sort of procedure that took a bit of time and offered checks and balances to prevent a lynching. Naturally, this was done away with because it's so inconvenient. Now, EllenCT has suggested a minimum duration for ANI reports leading to site bans, which is entirely reasonable and therefore enormously unpopular. MilesMoney ( talk) 19:36, 5 January 2014 (UTC) I strongly encourage you to bring up the SPI accusations that the users who pushed for your block previously made against you. These previous (and frivolous/dismissed) attempts to get you booted off WP illustrate their vendetta against you. If anyone on Arbcom has taken high school stats, s/he will consider the reasoning used in this SPI to be highly revealing. Please compile a list of examples that illustrate the limitations of your accusers and the lack of credibility underlying their allegations. Steeletrap ( talk) 23:09, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
You also need to mention to Arbcom that the closing admin either ignored (or was ignorant of) the rules. Per WP:CBAN, a consensus for a community ban must be established by uninvolved editors. TP's vote count failed to take into account whether a user was involved or not. Steeletrap ( talk) 23:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it's safer to avoid bad neighborhoods, but it's the bad neighborhoods where I can do some good. Somehow, the articles on minor characters in soap operas will be just fine without my attention. MilesMoney ( talk) 15:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
A battleground mentality is not a good thing. But admitting you have it is the second step to getting better. The first is to stop accepting high-fives. MilesMoney ( talk) 05:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
You are being discussed at ANI and may respond here. TFD ( talk) 09:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
If the koch list is intended as arbcom evidence, maybe a userspace subpage would be more appropriate, especially if a header indicated its intended purpose. However, as is going on in the current gun control arbcom, they are quite clear that they don't involve themselves in the content dispute, but only behavior (ANI+?) so evidence would need to be on point to be plausible. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:59, 6 January 2014 (UTC) You might want to tone it down it bit. Getting blocked/banned again hasn't help the project and wasted a lot of folks' time. Just saying. -- Malerooster ( talk) 02:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
User:Bishonen, you told User:Malerooster not to post here again, and yet he did. Guess he ignored your warning. MilesMoney ( talk) 04:08, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
One of the points that I've made is that the block is about settling personal grudges. Each time someone comes here to taunt me or defaces my user page [12] [13], it just proves my point again. If it wasn't personal, why all the venom? Why the back-patting between PrairieKid and Rich? Why the baiting by Rooster and NK? Please don't tell me that this is a calm, reasonable decision to deal with a disruptive editor. MilesMoney ( talk) 04:32, 9 January 2014 (UTC) A case is under review by the ArbCom at WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case on Austrian economics. If the ArbCom accepts the case, that case would be a reasonable vehicle for you to appeal your "community ban" to request that it be reviewed in the case. If you wish to be included as a party to the case, you may email them at arbcom-appeals-en@lists.wikimedia.org. Robert McClenon ( talk) 01:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
We have received and considered an appeal of MilesMoney's community ban. We have now decided to dismiss this appeal, and the appellant has been informed to this effect. For the Ban Appeals Subcommittee, AGK [•] 23:53, 27 January 2014 (UTC) There is a Split proposal discussion on the Gun politics in the U.S. talk page that may be of interest to you. Lightbreather ( talk) 04:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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