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Please stop hounding Friday on his talk page. Leaving messages which are rude, insulting, condescending, and incivil is not a helpful form of constructive criticism. Engaging in exactly the type of behaviour for which you criticise Friday is not likely to resolve improve Wikipedia. Leaving rude messages which (you explicitly acknowledge) will be ignored is a waste of time and pointlessly inflammatory.
If you don't want people to shoot the messenger, the messenger shouldn't paint a big red target on his ass and wave it at the crowd. If you'd prefer that people not criticise your conduct, don't behave in a way that is worthy of reproach. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 20:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing :-) BTW this talk page is watched by 268 people, more than Iridescent (235), Ottava Rima (144), Malleus (156), and Keeper76 (186) to name a few who I'd have expected to have more than me. Interesting tool there. It would be good if we could actually see who was watching too. Majorly talk 16:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Majorly, I want to apologize for my misunderstanding of the intent of the questions you used to post at RFA and moreover for my recent ridicule of your stance against an RfB candidate that related in part to his canned questions. I didn't get it. Sorry.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 21:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Would you considering userfying the article which you put up for deletion? The editor is a new editor, and this will give the new user a chance to rework the article and maybe wikipedia will get a new dedicated editor. Please let me know as soon as possible, because as soon as someone else comments on the AfD, they must agree also before I can userfy the article. Ikip ( talk) 00:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The Helping Hand Barnstar | ||
This barnstar is for Majorly, for helping brand new editors develop and grow hopefully into dedicated volunteers to our project. Thank you so much for thinking of those who have no voice. Ikip ( talk) 01:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC) |
I noticed you created a redirect from the mainspace to your userfied page. It's my understanding this is against policy. I've held off on speedy to bring it to you. Shadowjams ( talk) 04:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I've given this a once-over copyedit and left some notes on the talkpage. In many cases phrasings I introduced were still suboptimal, so feel free to raise them on talk along with any disputed tags or other concerns. I'm not particularly partial to having my way, and I usually greet any copyediting of articles I write with horror, so no need to be diplomatic! Cheers, Skomorokh 00:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
email. – iride scent 23:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
My original reaction to this was to reply something along the lines of "We apologize for having scuttled your opportunity to shit on the committee by having done our best to act reasonably in a blatant show of disregard for your presumptions." It would have been cathartic if undiplomatic and overly caustic — but the sentiment is nonetheless felt, and I hope you can understand why.
None of us were stupid enough to expect that sacrificing what little free time and sanity we have left for this crummy responsibility would have us loved and celebrated by everyone. But when an intelligent and otherwise discerning editor like you starts spewing vicious bile like this for no (apparent) reason beyond spite, it hurts. I don't know what particular bone you have to pick with the committee that led to your feeling the need to presume our evilness, but I would appreciate it if you refrained from attacking preemptively like this. At best it leads to needless drama, and at worst it's an unwarranted and malicious attack towards a dozen people who don't deserve it.
You might not want to hear it, but we (the committee members) are a pretty good bunch of people who try our damnest to do good for the encyclopedia and its editors. We don't always agree on how, and we don't always succeed, but we try. I can tell you for a fact that not one of us is in it for the politics, is attempting to misuse the authority of their seats (Ha!) for personal gain or revenge, nor do we support any form of dissent suppression. You need to either presume that we are imperfectly trying to do the Right Thing, or that we are all lying bastards — because none of us would condone the kind of unethical and amoral behavior you ascribe to us without raising hell. — Coren (talk) 13:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with your assessment of the nature of ArbCom. I believe that having a body entrusted with the ability to draw bright lines and to act decisively without prior community consensus not only isn't against the nature or spirit of the project but is, in fact, necessary to protect and sustain those ideals. I don't think that enforcing the rules while trying to minimize the negative impact, which sometimes need discreet deliberation, is political.
I do note that this is possibly an interesting discussion we could have — and which I do welcome — but that your opinion in no way places you in "danger" from the committee. That you imply malice from the arbitrators, especially by making a provocative "question" like you have, is quite allowable. It is, however, disappointing that you would chose to make use of such rhetoric (which— I should point out— is considerably more political than blocking a sock ever could be) rather than discuss the matter. — Coren (talk) 14:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
This sort of thing really doesn't help ArbCom's already bad reputation. Stifling legit concerns, rolling back an established user on a talk page and fully protecting it... it's preposterous. The clerks are no better than the arbitrators, it seems. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds ArbCom's actions problematic. Majorly talk 13:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Doing a bit of talk-page stalking, and came across this one. Just a couple of humble suggestions: I've have enormous success in getting images for my current project by asking people on Flickr to relicense to a compatible license. 8 of the images are relicensed from copyright; only one person ignored me completely, and I'm waiting to hear back from another who's changed to an incompatible license - a much greater hit rate than I expected. A quick Flickr search shows some possibilities (and not all ones that you took, either!) Also, the architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsner says that it's "one of the four best timber mansions in England", so you might want to hunt down the Cheshire volume of his Buildings of England series. Regards, Bencherlite Talk 23:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments at the Moors murders FAC. I really can relate to what you said about the James Bulger article. I'm not afraid to admit that there were times I was moved to tears by some of the things I read about this case, and I know PoD felt just the same. Had to be done though. -- Malleus Fatuorum 23:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Short (without deep research) answer: no, unless this particular image is by some reason in the public domain (published before 1923 for US, author died more than 70 years ago, etc).
A reading of commons:Commons:Coats of Arms would be of help. Basically, while the definition for this coat of arms is in the public domain (first set down way back in the 12th century), the representation is an artistic interpretation and can be subjected to copyright laws. So the copyrights of this particular representation have to be known before it can be used as a "free" image.
There is a representation (albeit slightly different) that is in the public domain. It was published on the first page of this book; it is in the public domain because it was published before 1923 (1851) and the artist of this representation (very likely the author Amzi Benedict Davenport) has very likely died more than 70 years ago (even if the artist was not Amzi). Although this representation lacks the helm and wings of the one you found, the head of the hanged-man is there. Jappalang ( talk) 02:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Please stop hounding Friday on his talk page. Leaving messages which are rude, insulting, condescending, and incivil is not a helpful form of constructive criticism. Engaging in exactly the type of behaviour for which you criticise Friday is not likely to resolve improve Wikipedia. Leaving rude messages which (you explicitly acknowledge) will be ignored is a waste of time and pointlessly inflammatory.
If you don't want people to shoot the messenger, the messenger shouldn't paint a big red target on his ass and wave it at the crowd. If you'd prefer that people not criticise your conduct, don't behave in a way that is worthy of reproach. TenOfAllTrades( talk) 20:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing :-) BTW this talk page is watched by 268 people, more than Iridescent (235), Ottava Rima (144), Malleus (156), and Keeper76 (186) to name a few who I'd have expected to have more than me. Interesting tool there. It would be good if we could actually see who was watching too. Majorly talk 16:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Majorly, I want to apologize for my misunderstanding of the intent of the questions you used to post at RFA and moreover for my recent ridicule of your stance against an RfB candidate that related in part to his canned questions. I didn't get it. Sorry.-- Doug.( talk • contribs) 21:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Would you considering userfying the article which you put up for deletion? The editor is a new editor, and this will give the new user a chance to rework the article and maybe wikipedia will get a new dedicated editor. Please let me know as soon as possible, because as soon as someone else comments on the AfD, they must agree also before I can userfy the article. Ikip ( talk) 00:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The Helping Hand Barnstar | ||
This barnstar is for Majorly, for helping brand new editors develop and grow hopefully into dedicated volunteers to our project. Thank you so much for thinking of those who have no voice. Ikip ( talk) 01:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC) |
I noticed you created a redirect from the mainspace to your userfied page. It's my understanding this is against policy. I've held off on speedy to bring it to you. Shadowjams ( talk) 04:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I've given this a once-over copyedit and left some notes on the talkpage. In many cases phrasings I introduced were still suboptimal, so feel free to raise them on talk along with any disputed tags or other concerns. I'm not particularly partial to having my way, and I usually greet any copyediting of articles I write with horror, so no need to be diplomatic! Cheers, Skomorokh 00:17, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
email. – iride scent 23:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
My original reaction to this was to reply something along the lines of "We apologize for having scuttled your opportunity to shit on the committee by having done our best to act reasonably in a blatant show of disregard for your presumptions." It would have been cathartic if undiplomatic and overly caustic — but the sentiment is nonetheless felt, and I hope you can understand why.
None of us were stupid enough to expect that sacrificing what little free time and sanity we have left for this crummy responsibility would have us loved and celebrated by everyone. But when an intelligent and otherwise discerning editor like you starts spewing vicious bile like this for no (apparent) reason beyond spite, it hurts. I don't know what particular bone you have to pick with the committee that led to your feeling the need to presume our evilness, but I would appreciate it if you refrained from attacking preemptively like this. At best it leads to needless drama, and at worst it's an unwarranted and malicious attack towards a dozen people who don't deserve it.
You might not want to hear it, but we (the committee members) are a pretty good bunch of people who try our damnest to do good for the encyclopedia and its editors. We don't always agree on how, and we don't always succeed, but we try. I can tell you for a fact that not one of us is in it for the politics, is attempting to misuse the authority of their seats (Ha!) for personal gain or revenge, nor do we support any form of dissent suppression. You need to either presume that we are imperfectly trying to do the Right Thing, or that we are all lying bastards — because none of us would condone the kind of unethical and amoral behavior you ascribe to us without raising hell. — Coren (talk) 13:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree with your assessment of the nature of ArbCom. I believe that having a body entrusted with the ability to draw bright lines and to act decisively without prior community consensus not only isn't against the nature or spirit of the project but is, in fact, necessary to protect and sustain those ideals. I don't think that enforcing the rules while trying to minimize the negative impact, which sometimes need discreet deliberation, is political.
I do note that this is possibly an interesting discussion we could have — and which I do welcome — but that your opinion in no way places you in "danger" from the committee. That you imply malice from the arbitrators, especially by making a provocative "question" like you have, is quite allowable. It is, however, disappointing that you would chose to make use of such rhetoric (which— I should point out— is considerably more political than blocking a sock ever could be) rather than discuss the matter. — Coren (talk) 14:21, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
This sort of thing really doesn't help ArbCom's already bad reputation. Stifling legit concerns, rolling back an established user on a talk page and fully protecting it... it's preposterous. The clerks are no better than the arbitrators, it seems. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds ArbCom's actions problematic. Majorly talk 13:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Doing a bit of talk-page stalking, and came across this one. Just a couple of humble suggestions: I've have enormous success in getting images for my current project by asking people on Flickr to relicense to a compatible license. 8 of the images are relicensed from copyright; only one person ignored me completely, and I'm waiting to hear back from another who's changed to an incompatible license - a much greater hit rate than I expected. A quick Flickr search shows some possibilities (and not all ones that you took, either!) Also, the architectural historian Nikolaus Pevsner says that it's "one of the four best timber mansions in England", so you might want to hunt down the Cheshire volume of his Buildings of England series. Regards, Bencherlite Talk 23:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments at the Moors murders FAC. I really can relate to what you said about the James Bulger article. I'm not afraid to admit that there were times I was moved to tears by some of the things I read about this case, and I know PoD felt just the same. Had to be done though. -- Malleus Fatuorum 23:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Short (without deep research) answer: no, unless this particular image is by some reason in the public domain (published before 1923 for US, author died more than 70 years ago, etc).
A reading of commons:Commons:Coats of Arms would be of help. Basically, while the definition for this coat of arms is in the public domain (first set down way back in the 12th century), the representation is an artistic interpretation and can be subjected to copyright laws. So the copyrights of this particular representation have to be known before it can be used as a "free" image.
There is a representation (albeit slightly different) that is in the public domain. It was published on the first page of this book; it is in the public domain because it was published before 1923 (1851) and the artist of this representation (very likely the author Amzi Benedict Davenport) has very likely died more than 70 years ago (even if the artist was not Amzi). Although this representation lacks the helm and wings of the one you found, the head of the hanged-man is there. Jappalang ( talk) 02:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)