first entry Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
( talk) , on 22:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC) made a false+ report..
explanation of my action
2008 kashmir unrest gives wp:undue importance to "kashmir protests" in the heading while ignoring the equally important JAMMU PROTESTS ..so to maintain NEUTRALITY, i had reverted the content to the previous heading since both kashmir and jammu are protesting due to "amarnath land transfer imbroglio"..hence the move to shift back content to original article name.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- besides i had retained the kashmir relevant content in the "2008 kashmir unrest" as a template for a seperate article on kashmiri seperatist protests (not limited to the land controversy--evolving scenario into seperatist movement).. Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
In future can you use the discussion facility before making such large scale changed to the page like you did in separating 2 pages that were eventually merged. Furthermore, instead of going through multiple edits you are encouraged to use the WP:Sandbox. Right now the page is a complete mess and needs a revamp through multi-edit wars (I'm not blaming you for it, there were many of us in there). Im trying to get the page back to some level of where it stood before we moved this far. Lihaas ( talk) 13:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello - thanks for the message. I have a statement about protection on my user page, but since you didn't or wouldn't read it I'll sum it up: I don't care which version was protected. I care that the edit war and the move war have stopped. Work out the differences on the talk page and come to some sort of consensus. Krakatoa Katie 02:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thanks
thanks for star Cityvalyu ( talk) 09:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks!
Hi, thanks for the Indian star! Shovon ( talk) 21:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello Kashmircloud, I seem to have reached an understanding with our IP friend and he's agreed to refrain from editing. I'm not sure how sincere he is, only time will tell. Since you were one of us directly involved in this mess, I just felt you should know this milestone. Let us just put that episode behind and let's move on. Thanks and have a good day. S3000 ☎ 09:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Re: IP nuisance
"Monitoring," as in I'm blocking any incarnation of him as they get reported to me. I'm not actively watching any of the articles he frequents, as I really have no interest in those subjects, mainly due to the gobs of drama they produce. I'm not going to semi protect the article, however I have blocked all the IP addresses involved in recent edits for a week. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 00:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Re: Doubt
If you wouldn't mind, I am trying to separate myself from this now, as I think I've gone a little overboard in a few cases, and I am getting tired of having my talk page being turned into a shouting contest between people. If you have evidence to support your claims of sockpuppetry, please try to discuss with the other user or file a report at WP:SSP. Thanks. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 23:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- no problem hersfold, i wont bother you on that sock puppet any more.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies
Will you stop canvassing for votes like you did here and on several talk pages, your notices are non-neutral and mostly aimed at editors whom you believe will behave in a partisan manner. Also why are you mentioning my name each time? " User:paharisahib is pakistani" and conflating it with nonsense like ""nationalistic (pakistani)/ religious(islamist?) motives for POK article removal". It seems like a smear to me, I I have never referred to you in such a way in any discussion and made any inferences about your motives. How would you feel if I had said for example "Indian extremist", "single purpose account", "Hindutva hothead" when referring to you. You probably wouldn't like it would you. Pahari Sahib 12:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- i didnt want to hurt you ..if mentioning your nationality or religion hurt you, i am extremely sorry since nowhere have i intended to use derogatory words like the ones you used like "hothead"/ "extremist" or other commonly used "terrorist" /"paki" terms..further your accusation of all my respondents being partisan is a pakistani point of view!!..i didnt post my messages on your page / soman page because it had a simple logic: you two had already participated..i merely invited other users who had edited pok page or those belonging to wiki kashmir group to prevent legal vandalism (i mean the low profile quick delete move)...i don't consider it a "smear" if some one points out my nationhood or my religion (without using the cheap words that you used above)..i feel proud when my nationality / religion is mentioned..so, i thought others too would not "feel smear"ed by mentioning theirs..i repeat "i did not want to cause hurt to you for sake of nationality/religion"..i just wanted to save the pok page from unilateral deletion..(i didnt know that one vote can stop deletion, then..i also was not told that informing other users relevant to pok was banned..so forgive on that account..) everyone taking part in that afd including yourself failed to inform me about the afd (before i accidentally spotted it)..please see: steps to do in afd 1. use {subst:afd}} 2. {{subst:afd2|pg=Pakistan occupied Kashmir|cat=|text=} ~ ~ ~ ~ (categoris) 3. {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakistan occupied Kashmir} (add to top of list) 4. Please consider notifying the [index.php?title=Pakistan_occupied_Kashmir&action=history author(s)] by placing {subst:adw}} ~ ~ ~ ~ on their talk page(s).
Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- pahari sahib cool down..kashmir cloud, canvassing is not necessary..your single vote is enough to avoid consensus deletion..i didnt take part as i saw a whole lot of guys there fighting for your cause. i support relaxing the edit ban so that article's quality can be upgraded Cityvalyu ( talk) 09:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i am not administrator!! try to contact admin to remove tag..i am busy with
abkhazia
Cityvalyu (
talk) 14:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- cityvalyu, i read your edits and i express my gratitude for your suggestion..but i was never warned that informing others to prevent a bad thing is considered bad in wiki!.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Please stop sending these notices out immediately. Deletion discussions are not votes, and canvassing for support in this manner is highly disruptive. The article will be looked at and a consensus will be formed on whether or not to delete it based on its merits and Wikipedia policy, which I suggest you review. If you have any questions, please let me know, however I will not do anything in regards to deleting the article or closing the deletion discussion until the discussion has had a chance to run its course. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 14:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I've put in my input. I do believe you asked me to write a bit if I was interested, on my viewpoint? Note, though, that I was on my way to write there anyway, regardless of if you'd asked me or not ;) BlackPearl14 talkies!• contribs! 00:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Please do one favour the same persons who are removing your words from the "Orissa communal violence" are removing my words from "arundhati_roy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arundhati_Roy and "sanddep_pandey" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Pandey who are giving frequently Anti india ,Anti hindu , pro pakistani and pro terrorists statements and statements favoring kashmiri Separatists in public.This is tarnishing over country's image in the world
Please help me out. you are free to take my help in any such issues. Indianbhoot ( talk) 08:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
initial suspicion
It certainly seems that Cast788 ( talk · contribs) is a sock of yours. FYI, i'll post a report on the issue. -- Soman ( talk) 13:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry case
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You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kashmircloud for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Soman ( talk) 14:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
initial Block
I have blocked you for one week for sockpuppetry and disruption based on the evidence presented at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kashmircloud. You are only permitted to use one account with which to edit, and canvassing for support in discussions is not allowed. You may appeal this block by placing the text {{ unblock|1=your reasoning ~~~~}} below this message. This guide may be of some help in formatting your request. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 15:31, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
subsequently revoked as false positive
discussions during the intervening period(does not include the fruitful chat with hersfold and a irc check that vindicated my innocence)
- Articles for deletion is hardly a "secretive, quick deletion" since there's a huge red box at the top of the page for at least five days while the discussion takes place. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 18:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i didnt know it would stay for 5 days..please forgive for not knowing that..i thought that red box meant impending delete..(that box did not mention 5 days..so i panicked)
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- hersfold, how to make you realise that you made a false positive sock puppetry accusation..am unable to reach you ..quite irritating!! you can reply here ..both of us will be then be clear about the other..i am not sock of anyone like cast788, casth7888, anyone else..please check ip address and other evidences properly..please do it as fast as you can Kashmircloud ( talk) 20:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i didnt know it would stay for 5 days..please forgive for not knowing that..i thought that red box meant impending delete..(that box did not mention 5 days..so i panicked)
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- how to use check user?? can you help me there..what must i do? Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- I would, if you agree, put a request at
WP:RFCU. An admin would then make a check whether the accusation of sockpuppetry is false or not. If false, you would be speedily unblocked. --
Soman (
talk) 19:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i agree..please help
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Request posted at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Kashmircloud. Not 100% sure that the request will be granted though. -- Soman ( talk) 19:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i agree..please help
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- I would, if you agree, put a request at
WP:RFCU. An admin would then make a check whether the accusation of sockpuppetry is false or not. If false, you would be speedily unblocked. --
Soman (
talk) 19:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hello soman, What should i do next?..Direction needed!! Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- I know that I am not a sock puppet..But, I don't know how to disprove the allegation. Anything else that i could do now to prove my innocence (other than waiting)??.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Kashmir Cloud,
Thanks for your note on my talk page, but just to clear a few things up. I don't think it is a smear to be called Pakistani. However I don't think you should go around posting names in the manner you have been. If say roles were reversed and I had said things like there were "nationalistic (indian)/ religious(hindutva?) motives for article retention" / "User:kashmircloud is Indian"
Are you sure you would be happy with this?
Although you are proud of your religion and nationality (which everyone is entitled to be) You may find it a little jarring to find this posted about you on several pages. While I will criticise an article, the style it is written etc I do not mention individual users in such a context.
Having said all that, I was using "Indian extremist", "single purpose account", "Hindutva hothead" as examples in a discussion *with* you. If this has offended you then I likewise apologise to you.
On the subject of the AFD, the instructions state: "Please consider notifying the editor" It is not mandatory, but a courtesy aimed at the nominator.
The AFD was created on 17:30, 4 September 2008 by Meco I did not edit the page until 04:59, 6 September 2008 My previous edit being 04:08, 3 September 2008 to the Jirga page. So I too was unaware of this for a couple of days.
I noticed because it was on one of the pages I had recently edited as did you, as your was next. Although I do think you should have been notified of the AFD notice directly. But again the instructions for AFD are there for the nominator.
The reason I said partisan was because you were mostly contacting Indian editors. Did you contact any Pakistani editors? You might think this is a foolish question but this is what being partisan means, whether or not you are right or wrong. Appealing to one side like this is frowned upon.
Another thing User:meco who launched the AFD is not Pakistani. And not that many Pakistani editors were actually involved. Pahari Sahib 11:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
you are cleared of sockpupettry accusations. good luck. Docku Hi 01:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, congrats! Glad you're back ;) BlackPearl14 talkies!• contribs! 05:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- THANKS Kashmircloud ( talk) 00:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I came across POK etc. We need to come together and pool our resources. I do not know how that is done. Wikipedia is run by anti-Indians. Wonder how to go about it though? Yogesh Khandke ( talk) 03:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
first entry Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
( talk) , on 22:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC) made a false+ report..
explanation of my action
2008 kashmir unrest gives wp:undue importance to "kashmir protests" in the heading while ignoring the equally important JAMMU PROTESTS ..so to maintain NEUTRALITY, i had reverted the content to the previous heading since both kashmir and jammu are protesting due to "amarnath land transfer imbroglio"..hence the move to shift back content to original article name.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
- besides i had retained the kashmir relevant content in the "2008 kashmir unrest" as a template for a seperate article on kashmiri seperatist protests (not limited to the land controversy--evolving scenario into seperatist movement).. Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
In future can you use the discussion facility before making such large scale changed to the page like you did in separating 2 pages that were eventually merged. Furthermore, instead of going through multiple edits you are encouraged to use the WP:Sandbox. Right now the page is a complete mess and needs a revamp through multi-edit wars (I'm not blaming you for it, there were many of us in there). Im trying to get the page back to some level of where it stood before we moved this far. Lihaas ( talk) 13:57, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello - thanks for the message. I have a statement about protection on my user page, but since you didn't or wouldn't read it I'll sum it up: I don't care which version was protected. I care that the edit war and the move war have stopped. Work out the differences on the talk page and come to some sort of consensus. Krakatoa Katie 02:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thanks
thanks for star Cityvalyu ( talk) 09:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks!
Hi, thanks for the Indian star! Shovon ( talk) 21:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello Kashmircloud, I seem to have reached an understanding with our IP friend and he's agreed to refrain from editing. I'm not sure how sincere he is, only time will tell. Since you were one of us directly involved in this mess, I just felt you should know this milestone. Let us just put that episode behind and let's move on. Thanks and have a good day. S3000 ☎ 09:00, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Re: IP nuisance
"Monitoring," as in I'm blocking any incarnation of him as they get reported to me. I'm not actively watching any of the articles he frequents, as I really have no interest in those subjects, mainly due to the gobs of drama they produce. I'm not going to semi protect the article, however I have blocked all the IP addresses involved in recent edits for a week. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 00:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Re: Doubt
If you wouldn't mind, I am trying to separate myself from this now, as I think I've gone a little overboard in a few cases, and I am getting tired of having my talk page being turned into a shouting contest between people. If you have evidence to support your claims of sockpuppetry, please try to discuss with the other user or file a report at WP:SSP. Thanks. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 23:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- no problem hersfold, i wont bother you on that sock puppet any more.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 23:54, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies
Will you stop canvassing for votes like you did here and on several talk pages, your notices are non-neutral and mostly aimed at editors whom you believe will behave in a partisan manner. Also why are you mentioning my name each time? " User:paharisahib is pakistani" and conflating it with nonsense like ""nationalistic (pakistani)/ religious(islamist?) motives for POK article removal". It seems like a smear to me, I I have never referred to you in such a way in any discussion and made any inferences about your motives. How would you feel if I had said for example "Indian extremist", "single purpose account", "Hindutva hothead" when referring to you. You probably wouldn't like it would you. Pahari Sahib 12:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- i didnt want to hurt you ..if mentioning your nationality or religion hurt you, i am extremely sorry since nowhere have i intended to use derogatory words like the ones you used like "hothead"/ "extremist" or other commonly used "terrorist" /"paki" terms..further your accusation of all my respondents being partisan is a pakistani point of view!!..i didnt post my messages on your page / soman page because it had a simple logic: you two had already participated..i merely invited other users who had edited pok page or those belonging to wiki kashmir group to prevent legal vandalism (i mean the low profile quick delete move)...i don't consider it a "smear" if some one points out my nationhood or my religion (without using the cheap words that you used above)..i feel proud when my nationality / religion is mentioned..so, i thought others too would not "feel smear"ed by mentioning theirs..i repeat "i did not want to cause hurt to you for sake of nationality/religion"..i just wanted to save the pok page from unilateral deletion..(i didnt know that one vote can stop deletion, then..i also was not told that informing other users relevant to pok was banned..so forgive on that account..) everyone taking part in that afd including yourself failed to inform me about the afd (before i accidentally spotted it)..please see: steps to do in afd 1. use {subst:afd}} 2. {{subst:afd2|pg=Pakistan occupied Kashmir|cat=|text=} ~ ~ ~ ~ (categoris) 3. {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakistan occupied Kashmir} (add to top of list) 4. Please consider notifying the [index.php?title=Pakistan_occupied_Kashmir&action=history author(s)] by placing {subst:adw}} ~ ~ ~ ~ on their talk page(s).
Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- pahari sahib cool down..kashmir cloud, canvassing is not necessary..your single vote is enough to avoid consensus deletion..i didnt take part as i saw a whole lot of guys there fighting for your cause. i support relaxing the edit ban so that article's quality can be upgraded Cityvalyu ( talk) 09:12, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i am not administrator!! try to contact admin to remove tag..i am busy with
abkhazia
Cityvalyu (
talk) 14:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- cityvalyu, i read your edits and i express my gratitude for your suggestion..but i was never warned that informing others to prevent a bad thing is considered bad in wiki!.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Please stop sending these notices out immediately. Deletion discussions are not votes, and canvassing for support in this manner is highly disruptive. The article will be looked at and a consensus will be formed on whether or not to delete it based on its merits and Wikipedia policy, which I suggest you review. If you have any questions, please let me know, however I will not do anything in regards to deleting the article or closing the deletion discussion until the discussion has had a chance to run its course. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 14:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I've put in my input. I do believe you asked me to write a bit if I was interested, on my viewpoint? Note, though, that I was on my way to write there anyway, regardless of if you'd asked me or not ;) BlackPearl14 talkies!• contribs! 00:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Please do one favour the same persons who are removing your words from the "Orissa communal violence" are removing my words from "arundhati_roy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arundhati_Roy and "sanddep_pandey" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandeep_Pandey who are giving frequently Anti india ,Anti hindu , pro pakistani and pro terrorists statements and statements favoring kashmiri Separatists in public.This is tarnishing over country's image in the world
Please help me out. you are free to take my help in any such issues. Indianbhoot ( talk) 08:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
initial suspicion
It certainly seems that Cast788 ( talk · contribs) is a sock of yours. FYI, i'll post a report on the issue. -- Soman ( talk) 13:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry case
|
|
You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kashmircloud for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. Soman ( talk) 14:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
initial Block
I have blocked you for one week for sockpuppetry and disruption based on the evidence presented at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kashmircloud. You are only permitted to use one account with which to edit, and canvassing for support in discussions is not allowed. You may appeal this block by placing the text {{ unblock|1=your reasoning ~~~~}} below this message. This guide may be of some help in formatting your request. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 15:31, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
subsequently revoked as false positive
discussions during the intervening period(does not include the fruitful chat with hersfold and a irc check that vindicated my innocence)
- Articles for deletion is hardly a "secretive, quick deletion" since there's a huge red box at the top of the page for at least five days while the discussion takes place. Hersfold ( t/ a/ c) 18:55, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i didnt know it would stay for 5 days..please forgive for not knowing that..i thought that red box meant impending delete..(that box did not mention 5 days..so i panicked)
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- hersfold, how to make you realise that you made a false positive sock puppetry accusation..am unable to reach you ..quite irritating!! you can reply here ..both of us will be then be clear about the other..i am not sock of anyone like cast788, casth7888, anyone else..please check ip address and other evidences properly..please do it as fast as you can Kashmircloud ( talk) 20:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i didnt know it would stay for 5 days..please forgive for not knowing that..i thought that red box meant impending delete..(that box did not mention 5 days..so i panicked)
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- how to use check user?? can you help me there..what must i do? Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- I would, if you agree, put a request at
WP:RFCU. An admin would then make a check whether the accusation of sockpuppetry is false or not. If false, you would be speedily unblocked. --
Soman (
talk) 19:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i agree..please help
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Request posted at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Kashmircloud. Not 100% sure that the request will be granted though. -- Soman ( talk) 19:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- i agree..please help
Kashmircloud (
talk) 19:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- I would, if you agree, put a request at
WP:RFCU. An admin would then make a check whether the accusation of sockpuppetry is false or not. If false, you would be speedily unblocked. --
Soman (
talk) 19:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hello soman, What should i do next?..Direction needed!! Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- I know that I am not a sock puppet..But, I don't know how to disprove the allegation. Anything else that i could do now to prove my innocence (other than waiting)??.. Kashmircloud ( talk) 19:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Kashmir Cloud,
Thanks for your note on my talk page, but just to clear a few things up. I don't think it is a smear to be called Pakistani. However I don't think you should go around posting names in the manner you have been. If say roles were reversed and I had said things like there were "nationalistic (indian)/ religious(hindutva?) motives for article retention" / "User:kashmircloud is Indian"
Are you sure you would be happy with this?
Although you are proud of your religion and nationality (which everyone is entitled to be) You may find it a little jarring to find this posted about you on several pages. While I will criticise an article, the style it is written etc I do not mention individual users in such a context.
Having said all that, I was using "Indian extremist", "single purpose account", "Hindutva hothead" as examples in a discussion *with* you. If this has offended you then I likewise apologise to you.
On the subject of the AFD, the instructions state: "Please consider notifying the editor" It is not mandatory, but a courtesy aimed at the nominator.
The AFD was created on 17:30, 4 September 2008 by Meco I did not edit the page until 04:59, 6 September 2008 My previous edit being 04:08, 3 September 2008 to the Jirga page. So I too was unaware of this for a couple of days.
I noticed because it was on one of the pages I had recently edited as did you, as your was next. Although I do think you should have been notified of the AFD notice directly. But again the instructions for AFD are there for the nominator.
The reason I said partisan was because you were mostly contacting Indian editors. Did you contact any Pakistani editors? You might think this is a foolish question but this is what being partisan means, whether or not you are right or wrong. Appealing to one side like this is frowned upon.
Another thing User:meco who launched the AFD is not Pakistani. And not that many Pakistani editors were actually involved. Pahari Sahib 11:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
you are cleared of sockpupettry accusations. good luck. Docku Hi 01:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- Hey, congrats! Glad you're back ;) BlackPearl14 talkies!• contribs! 05:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
- THANKS Kashmircloud ( talk) 00:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I came across POK etc. We need to come together and pool our resources. I do not know how that is done. Wikipedia is run by anti-Indians. Wonder how to go about it though? Yogesh Khandke ( talk) 03:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)