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- Appreciate the pointers, though I'm having trouble to understand how I am being flagged and attacked for trying to keep a neutral stance in the redaction, adding balancing sources and somehow, I'm being targeted, by users Shimbo and others, being honest this is very worrying, it's sad what some people under de auspices of "administrators" can get out there as neutral information and encyclopedical knowledge, very very worrying, how you didn't changed or reviewed anything else, I can see many "original research", maybe you should check the history of edits and talk page to get an understanding of this ordeal Juanriveranava ( talk) 19:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- Content must be directly supported by the source. The source says nothing about "Butcher of Syria" being "widely used amongs western media narrative" and "further fueled by declarations...". The source just says that Sullivan expected brutality from Dvornikov and did not present any evidence to support that prediction. I don't think his opinion belongs in the article at all. However, your second addition was fine. Also, below you were notified of the community sanctions on articles related to the Russo-Ukrainian War. You need to edit unrelated articles before your account reaches the extended-confirmed status. This is not optional. Prolog ( talk) 20:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Juanriveranava ( talk) 03:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)== Your post at the VP Idea lab ==
@ Juanriveranava, regarding your recent VP post as well as your Teahouse post, I'd like to give you a couple of pointers. First, for a person at your level of English proficiency, it would improve reader comprehension if you would type into Google Translate in your first language and let it make an English translation. I couldn't quite understand the points you were making, other than that you were not happy with something.
Secondly, It's important to be specific when writing posts on Wikipedia. Give examples of the harsh treatment you have a problem with. Was it the copyright and Original research messages, which are previously-written templates designed not to offend? Did you expect a personal note? Volunteer time on Wikipedia is in short supply, with over 6 million articles to maintain. Without templates, nothing would get done. I hope you get a good response from VP. If not, try the Teahouse again, and try to be unambiguous. Paragraphs help a lot, too.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 01:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Quisqualis thank you for the pointer, IELTS, the University of Manchester and my 10 years foreign experience might beg to differ on your appreciation of my English proficiency.
I don't know if my devices are wrongly set up but every time I try to paragraph it automatically post my texts, so I gave up, I'll try to find other ways (i write on word and copy paste now) but honestly I'm getting very discouraged to even try ,you want examples of harsh treatment, well, just read the teahouse post and my participation on it, it's very hard to contribute when you're constantly being patronized and demeaned by the people who are supposed to be there to guide, with attitudes like that it's no wonder volunteer time is in short supply. Juanriveranava ( talk) 02:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- You have to understand that on English Wikipedia, we don't jump in to any discussion to give our personal opinion of Wikipedia or its volunteers. Discussions on Wikipedia are to be calmly and politely conducted; they are also to be about improving Wikipedia, not a place to vent.
- You have been here 5 years; yet, when you verbally attacked an administrator, you had fewer than 100 edits. Anyone with an account can set up a preference to hover over a user name and find out their edit count and their permissions, etc. Naturally that's what happened, with predictable results. Others saw you as an novice trying to hijack a thread in which a suspect editor had asked a question and gotten the right answer. I cannot tell you how many trolls have been visiting the Teahouse since the winter holiday break began.
- You were agitated over the Dvornikov controversy, but that was months ago. We try hard to be grownups on Wikipedia, with varying degrees of success.--
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- thank you for your insights @ Quisqualis, sorry but I'm perceiving a dead end in this with you, is hard to engage in dialoge when one of the parties refuses to acknowledge a fact or tries to diminish it in order to make a point, fortunately my post on vp is starting to begin a discussion on the improvement of the policies, that was my sole purpose, i now find it amusing how you qualify my objections on neutrality an attack on someone, when in my interventions i've never attacked someone personally and only stated a point, then I got attacked and now you're trying to whitewash that reprehensible behaviour attempting to gaslighting me into believing the poor response was somehow my responsibility, i commend your attempts to act like a grown up, i hope more editors and administrators would follow suit, i also hope you start to recognize this negative trend, that has many other editors starting to come out and speak up, my sole purpose again was to start a discussion in order to improve the project, this is not an isolated case as you imply and its becoming more and more common. please tell me about how may trolls have been visiting the teahouse, it might give me an insight to understand the motivations behind the aggressive position shown. thank you again i appreciate the time and effort spent into this exchange, rest assured i'll take it into consideration in future interventions. Juanriveranava ( talk) 16:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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- Appreciate the pointers, though I'm having trouble to understand how I am being flagged and attacked for trying to keep a neutral stance in the redaction, adding balancing sources and somehow, I'm being targeted, by users Shimbo and others, being honest this is very worrying, it's sad what some people under de auspices of "administrators" can get out there as neutral information and encyclopedical knowledge, very very worrying, how you didn't changed or reviewed anything else, I can see many "original research", maybe you should check the history of edits and talk page to get an understanding of this ordeal Juanriveranava ( talk) 19:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
- Content must be directly supported by the source. The source says nothing about "Butcher of Syria" being "widely used amongs western media narrative" and "further fueled by declarations...". The source just says that Sullivan expected brutality from Dvornikov and did not present any evidence to support that prediction. I don't think his opinion belongs in the article at all. However, your second addition was fine. Also, below you were notified of the community sanctions on articles related to the Russo-Ukrainian War. You need to edit unrelated articles before your account reaches the extended-confirmed status. This is not optional. Prolog ( talk) 20:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Please note that there is a new general sanction; only extended-confirmed users are allowed to edit articles related to the Russo-Ukrainian War ( WP:GS/RUSUKR). Prolog ( talk) 11:41, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
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Juanriveranava ( talk) 03:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)== Your post at the VP Idea lab ==
@ Juanriveranava, regarding your recent VP post as well as your Teahouse post, I'd like to give you a couple of pointers. First, for a person at your level of English proficiency, it would improve reader comprehension if you would type into Google Translate in your first language and let it make an English translation. I couldn't quite understand the points you were making, other than that you were not happy with something.
Secondly, It's important to be specific when writing posts on Wikipedia. Give examples of the harsh treatment you have a problem with. Was it the copyright and Original research messages, which are previously-written templates designed not to offend? Did you expect a personal note? Volunteer time on Wikipedia is in short supply, with over 6 million articles to maintain. Without templates, nothing would get done. I hope you get a good response from VP. If not, try the Teahouse again, and try to be unambiguous. Paragraphs help a lot, too.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 01:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Quisqualis thank you for the pointer, IELTS, the University of Manchester and my 10 years foreign experience might beg to differ on your appreciation of my English proficiency.
I don't know if my devices are wrongly set up but every time I try to paragraph it automatically post my texts, so I gave up, I'll try to find other ways (i write on word and copy paste now) but honestly I'm getting very discouraged to even try ,you want examples of harsh treatment, well, just read the teahouse post and my participation on it, it's very hard to contribute when you're constantly being patronized and demeaned by the people who are supposed to be there to guide, with attitudes like that it's no wonder volunteer time is in short supply. Juanriveranava ( talk) 02:33, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- You have to understand that on English Wikipedia, we don't jump in to any discussion to give our personal opinion of Wikipedia or its volunteers. Discussions on Wikipedia are to be calmly and politely conducted; they are also to be about improving Wikipedia, not a place to vent.
- You have been here 5 years; yet, when you verbally attacked an administrator, you had fewer than 100 edits. Anyone with an account can set up a preference to hover over a user name and find out their edit count and their permissions, etc. Naturally that's what happened, with predictable results. Others saw you as an novice trying to hijack a thread in which a suspect editor had asked a question and gotten the right answer. I cannot tell you how many trolls have been visiting the Teahouse since the winter holiday break began.
- You were agitated over the Dvornikov controversy, but that was months ago. We try hard to be grownups on Wikipedia, with varying degrees of success.--
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- thank you for your insights @ Quisqualis, sorry but I'm perceiving a dead end in this with you, is hard to engage in dialoge when one of the parties refuses to acknowledge a fact or tries to diminish it in order to make a point, fortunately my post on vp is starting to begin a discussion on the improvement of the policies, that was my sole purpose, i now find it amusing how you qualify my objections on neutrality an attack on someone, when in my interventions i've never attacked someone personally and only stated a point, then I got attacked and now you're trying to whitewash that reprehensible behaviour attempting to gaslighting me into believing the poor response was somehow my responsibility, i commend your attempts to act like a grown up, i hope more editors and administrators would follow suit, i also hope you start to recognize this negative trend, that has many other editors starting to come out and speak up, my sole purpose again was to start a discussion in order to improve the project, this is not an isolated case as you imply and its becoming more and more common. please tell me about how may trolls have been visiting the teahouse, it might give me an insight to understand the motivations behind the aggressive position shown. thank you again i appreciate the time and effort spent into this exchange, rest assured i'll take it into consideration in future interventions. Juanriveranava ( talk) 16:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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