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Should equal-ranked ballots, abstentions, or other expressions of indifference be included in wikiboxes reporting vote totals? For example, if 20% of people abstain in a vote, should the results be reported as 50% support and 50% opposition, or as 40% support vs. 40% opposition? (vs. 20% abstention, which might not have its own column for space reasons, but can be reconstructed from the other options.) Closed Limelike Curves ( talk) 19:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
So I have been on the platform for a bit, though I am still learning the ropes to an extent, and I have noticed Template:Party shading/Independent (US) is used on a lot of older or more prominent current election articles. Does this color need to exist on a fundamental level? Especially since a US independent is no different to independents in other countries in any legal, historical, cultural, or electoral way. The color seems arbitrary and is not even used as a basis for colors on maps, which use the internationally-based independent colors instead for holds/gains, or vote % colors. Talthiel ( talk) 21:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
{{Party color|Independent (India)}}
, {{Party color|Independent (Vietnam)}}
, etc. And I have articulated several times that similar shades of gray are used to indicate hold/gain/vacant/loss in US politics templates. The point of using colors is to aid readers, and if they are too similar to other colors in common use around the same same pages, they do not serve that purpose. All of that said, I don't know if the onus is on me to make a case here, as I'm not the one who made the change. Standardization is not a requirement on Wikipedia, and there are countless country-specific templates in use around the project. I don't see why this should be treated any differently, and I don't understand what is accomplished by such an undertaking. How do readers benefit by seeing gray next to American independent politicians instead of buff?
WMSR (
talk) 16:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
The article 2024 West Yorkshire mayoral election has one opinion poll which has been noted for being poor quality. Would it be better to remove that poll and have no results, or is a poor poll better than none? Someone's raised this on the article's talk page and I think the opinion of an editor whose spent more time on election articles would be helpful. -- D'n'B- t -- 07:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Why don't all articles have the same type of table? Would it be smart to implement a template that generates these tables instead, similar to how we have Template:Election results? Why or why not? I am thinking more about the proportional representation system with electoral districts and than show percentage and mandate.
I don't think it would be possible for this new template to be used for a First-past-the-post election system due to the presence of single districts.
Examples
Johshh ( talk) 01:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I noticed an editor added opposition arguments to 2024 Florida Amendment 4. I haven't seen this sort of coverage in other referendum articles and I worry it will lead to these articles being used for actual campaigning, i.e. partisans spamming the article with arguments for or against in order to sway readers. When is including this sort of content OK and when is it crossing the line? Should it have limits or requirements for balanced viewpoints? Nosferattus ( talk) 03:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Is there an existing IRC/Discord/somesuch channel for low-level communication related to the project? Out of curiosity. Juxlos ( talk) 11:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
The election box is not respecting the theme selected by the user on Wikipedia mobile app. Refer to below data and the box, Last three rows are shown with white background, when the theme selected on Wikipedia is dark. I couldn't add the screenshot from mobile app, because Wiki do not consider it as "own work". :D
{{Election box begin | title=[[2019 Indian general elections]]: [[Pilibhit]]}} {{Election box winning candidate with party link| |party = Bharatiya Janata Party |candidate = [[Feroze Varun Gandhi]] |votes = 704,549 |percentage = 59.38 |change = +7.32 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Samajwadi Party |candidate = [[Hemraj Verma]] |votes = 448,922 |percentage = 37.83 |change = +15.00 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = NOTA |candidate = [[None of the Above]] |votes = 9,973 |percentage = 0.84 |change = -0.26 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Varun Gandhi |votes = 4,483 |percentage = 0.38 |change = +0.38 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Surendra Kumar Gupta |votes = 4,442 |percentage = 0.37 |change = +0.37 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Shiv Sena |candidate = Anita Tripati |votes = 3,974 |percentage = 0.30 |change = +0.30 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Munesh singh |votes = 2,129 |percentage = 0.18 |change = -0.41 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Jafri Begum |votes = 1,633 |percentage = 0.14 |change = +0.14 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Janata Dal |candidate = Dr. Bharat |votes = 1,624 |percentage = 0.14 |change = +0.14 }} {{Election box candidate| |party = Pragatishil Party |candidate = Mohammad Hanif |votes = 1,276 |percentage = 0.11 |change = +0.11 }} {{Election box candidate | |party = Sabka Dal United |candidate = Dr. Sita Ram Rajput |votes = 1,098 |percentage = 0.09 |change = +0.09 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Kaif Raza Khan |votes = 926 |percentage = 0.08 |change = +0.08 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Urvashi Singh |votes = 864 |percentage = 0.07 |change = +0.07 }} {{Election box candidate | |party = Naitik Party |candidate = Sanjay Kumar Bharti |votes = 696 |percentage = 0.06 |change = +0.06 }} {{Election box majority| |votes = 255,627 |percentage = 21.55 |change = -7.68 }} {{Election box turnout| |votes = 1,187,225 |percentage = 67.41 |change = +4.55 }} {{Election box hold with party link| |winner = Bharatiya Janata Party |swing = +7.32 }} {{Election box end}}
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | ±% | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
BJP | Feroze Varun Gandhi | 704,549 | 59.38 | +7.32 | |
SP | Hemraj Verma | 448,922 | 37.83 | +15.00 | |
NOTA | None of the Above | 9,973 | 0.84 | -0.26 | |
Independent | Varun Gandhi | 4,483 | 0.38 | +0.38 | |
Independent | Surendra Kumar Gupta | 4,442 | 0.37 | +0.37 | |
SHS | Anita Tripati | 3,974 | 0.30 | +0.30 | |
Independent | Munesh singh | 2,129 | 0.18 | -0.41 | |
Independent | Jafri Begum | 1,633 | 0.14 | +0.14 | |
JD | Dr. Bharat | 1,624 | 0.14 | +0.14 | |
Pragatishil Party | Mohammad Hanif | 1,276 | 0.11 | +0.11 | |
Sabka Dal United | Dr. Sita Ram Rajput | 1,098 | 0.09 | +0.09 | |
Independent | Kaif Raza Khan | 926 | 0.08 | +0.08 | |
Independent | Urvashi Singh | 864 | 0.07 | +0.07 | |
Naitik Party | Sanjay Kumar Bharti | 696 | 0.06 | +0.06 | |
Majority | 255,627 | 21.55 | -7.68 | ||
Turnout | 1,187,225 | 67.41 | +4.55 | ||
BJP hold | Swing | +7.32 |
PyneEditor ( talk) 04:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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Should equal-ranked ballots, abstentions, or other expressions of indifference be included in wikiboxes reporting vote totals? For example, if 20% of people abstain in a vote, should the results be reported as 50% support and 50% opposition, or as 40% support vs. 40% opposition? (vs. 20% abstention, which might not have its own column for space reasons, but can be reconstructed from the other options.) Closed Limelike Curves ( talk) 19:49, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
So I have been on the platform for a bit, though I am still learning the ropes to an extent, and I have noticed Template:Party shading/Independent (US) is used on a lot of older or more prominent current election articles. Does this color need to exist on a fundamental level? Especially since a US independent is no different to independents in other countries in any legal, historical, cultural, or electoral way. The color seems arbitrary and is not even used as a basis for colors on maps, which use the internationally-based independent colors instead for holds/gains, or vote % colors. Talthiel ( talk) 21:34, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
{{Party color|Independent (India)}}
, {{Party color|Independent (Vietnam)}}
, etc. And I have articulated several times that similar shades of gray are used to indicate hold/gain/vacant/loss in US politics templates. The point of using colors is to aid readers, and if they are too similar to other colors in common use around the same same pages, they do not serve that purpose. All of that said, I don't know if the onus is on me to make a case here, as I'm not the one who made the change. Standardization is not a requirement on Wikipedia, and there are countless country-specific templates in use around the project. I don't see why this should be treated any differently, and I don't understand what is accomplished by such an undertaking. How do readers benefit by seeing gray next to American independent politicians instead of buff?
WMSR (
talk) 16:56, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
The article 2024 West Yorkshire mayoral election has one opinion poll which has been noted for being poor quality. Would it be better to remove that poll and have no results, or is a poor poll better than none? Someone's raised this on the article's talk page and I think the opinion of an editor whose spent more time on election articles would be helpful. -- D'n'B- t -- 07:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Why don't all articles have the same type of table? Would it be smart to implement a template that generates these tables instead, similar to how we have Template:Election results? Why or why not? I am thinking more about the proportional representation system with electoral districts and than show percentage and mandate.
I don't think it would be possible for this new template to be used for a First-past-the-post election system due to the presence of single districts.
Examples
Johshh ( talk) 01:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I noticed an editor added opposition arguments to 2024 Florida Amendment 4. I haven't seen this sort of coverage in other referendum articles and I worry it will lead to these articles being used for actual campaigning, i.e. partisans spamming the article with arguments for or against in order to sway readers. When is including this sort of content OK and when is it crossing the line? Should it have limits or requirements for balanced viewpoints? Nosferattus ( talk) 03:17, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Is there an existing IRC/Discord/somesuch channel for low-level communication related to the project? Out of curiosity. Juxlos ( talk) 11:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
The election box is not respecting the theme selected by the user on Wikipedia mobile app. Refer to below data and the box, Last three rows are shown with white background, when the theme selected on Wikipedia is dark. I couldn't add the screenshot from mobile app, because Wiki do not consider it as "own work". :D
{{Election box begin | title=[[2019 Indian general elections]]: [[Pilibhit]]}} {{Election box winning candidate with party link| |party = Bharatiya Janata Party |candidate = [[Feroze Varun Gandhi]] |votes = 704,549 |percentage = 59.38 |change = +7.32 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Samajwadi Party |candidate = [[Hemraj Verma]] |votes = 448,922 |percentage = 37.83 |change = +15.00 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = NOTA |candidate = [[None of the Above]] |votes = 9,973 |percentage = 0.84 |change = -0.26 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Varun Gandhi |votes = 4,483 |percentage = 0.38 |change = +0.38 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Surendra Kumar Gupta |votes = 4,442 |percentage = 0.37 |change = +0.37 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Shiv Sena |candidate = Anita Tripati |votes = 3,974 |percentage = 0.30 |change = +0.30 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Munesh singh |votes = 2,129 |percentage = 0.18 |change = -0.41 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Jafri Begum |votes = 1,633 |percentage = 0.14 |change = +0.14 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Janata Dal |candidate = Dr. Bharat |votes = 1,624 |percentage = 0.14 |change = +0.14 }} {{Election box candidate| |party = Pragatishil Party |candidate = Mohammad Hanif |votes = 1,276 |percentage = 0.11 |change = +0.11 }} {{Election box candidate | |party = Sabka Dal United |candidate = Dr. Sita Ram Rajput |votes = 1,098 |percentage = 0.09 |change = +0.09 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Kaif Raza Khan |votes = 926 |percentage = 0.08 |change = +0.08 }} {{Election box candidate with party link| |party = Independent (politician) |candidate = Urvashi Singh |votes = 864 |percentage = 0.07 |change = +0.07 }} {{Election box candidate | |party = Naitik Party |candidate = Sanjay Kumar Bharti |votes = 696 |percentage = 0.06 |change = +0.06 }} {{Election box majority| |votes = 255,627 |percentage = 21.55 |change = -7.68 }} {{Election box turnout| |votes = 1,187,225 |percentage = 67.41 |change = +4.55 }} {{Election box hold with party link| |winner = Bharatiya Janata Party |swing = +7.32 }} {{Election box end}}
Party | Candidate | Votes | % | ±% | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
BJP | Feroze Varun Gandhi | 704,549 | 59.38 | +7.32 | |
SP | Hemraj Verma | 448,922 | 37.83 | +15.00 | |
NOTA | None of the Above | 9,973 | 0.84 | -0.26 | |
Independent | Varun Gandhi | 4,483 | 0.38 | +0.38 | |
Independent | Surendra Kumar Gupta | 4,442 | 0.37 | +0.37 | |
SHS | Anita Tripati | 3,974 | 0.30 | +0.30 | |
Independent | Munesh singh | 2,129 | 0.18 | -0.41 | |
Independent | Jafri Begum | 1,633 | 0.14 | +0.14 | |
JD | Dr. Bharat | 1,624 | 0.14 | +0.14 | |
Pragatishil Party | Mohammad Hanif | 1,276 | 0.11 | +0.11 | |
Sabka Dal United | Dr. Sita Ram Rajput | 1,098 | 0.09 | +0.09 | |
Independent | Kaif Raza Khan | 926 | 0.08 | +0.08 | |
Independent | Urvashi Singh | 864 | 0.07 | +0.07 | |
Naitik Party | Sanjay Kumar Bharti | 696 | 0.06 | +0.06 | |
Majority | 255,627 | 21.55 | -7.68 | ||
Turnout | 1,187,225 | 67.41 | +4.55 | ||
BJP hold | Swing | +7.32 |
PyneEditor ( talk) 04:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)