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Hi Jjhake, I have noticed that you have interest in the work of David Bentley Hart. I have enjoyed modifying a page you have invested much time in. May I be so brazenly and bluntly ask if you know of any discussion (usually critical) of "manualist" ethics in Hart's books? (Quotations and page numbers would be extremely helpful.) My intention of my request for help is for improvement of Draft:Manualism in moral theology. Thanks - and please do not feel obliged! FatalSubjectivities ( talk) 09:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Nowhere near ready or stable for a review. I would recommend withdrawing this submission and resubmitting in another month. I say this as a reviewer with many articles under my belt. I would fail this in a minute. The stability criterion is essential. Viriditas ( talk) 22:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. At this moment, I am not able to get over the talk page of the current article we are both working on. But I want to say a few words in general about the historic value of this article compared to other, more down to earth, articles.
It seems your goal is to record what is happening now for the benefit of future historians and using Wikipedia as a vehicle for doing that. This is a laudable goal. And in regards to this Grusch article I am wondering if it is worth your valuable training and experience to put so much effort into this particular article. I am pretty sure this will be merely a blip in our nation's and the world's history when looking back decades or a century from now.
I'm thinking it would be better to apply your talents to articles that are more mainstream and have a potential to impact the direction of our nation and the nations of the world. I don't think an article such as this and the other related article you recently edited will have such an impact. It seems these types of events will interest only hobbyists and true believers. And true believers do not run the world for the most part.
It may be such reports like Grush's are simply the manifestations of past unacknowledged personal trauma that resides in the unconscious. And It is Ross Douthat who seems to say this in his opinion piece when referencing Carl Jung.
Therefore it is most likely an illusion, currently covered by the press, and rogue intelligence officials failing to report classified SAP programs to Congress, also covered by the press. So, the real reason that Congress is upset is the failure to inform Congress about classified data and programs. I think the vast majority of Congressmen do not believe we are storing extraterrestrial vehicles and bodies. So how much of an impact can this story have in the end?
I don't know exactly what type of articles will best be served by your training and experience. Well, one that comes to mind is Artificial Intelligence (fondly known as AI), which is causing serious concern. Another is the work behind developing manned missions to Mars and that planet's eventual colonization. There is also the technologies being developed to ameliorate the impact of Global Climate Change, such as fusion reaction, which seems to be an interesting field of historical value all on its own.
Anyway, these are just some thoughts. Expertise in all disciplines are needed on Wikipedia. Regards, ---- Steve Quinn ( talk) 02:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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Great work on David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Don't give up now. Take a break and come back to it. Your efforts are truly appreciated. Viriditas ( talk) 08:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC) |
Here I suggested that you familiarize yourself with
WP:NPA. I do so again, for the final time, because Talk page comments like
this (your ridiculously narrow-minded questions
) and
this you entirely misrepresent the topic and fan the flames
) are personal attacks that are against policy and do nothing to improve article content.
JoJo Anthrax (
talk) 13:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
This will be my final note here (I hope), and I make it in good faith. Despite beginning your Wikipedia 'career' in 2004, you keep claiming that you are a newbie (I can list the diffs if you insist, but your user page makes the same claim). You have made over 3100 edits, so please recognize that you are not a newbie. Continuing to use that claim as an explanation/shield/whatever for your edits is not tenable. I write this because you seem to be bludgeoning the David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims Talk page in a manner that is verging upon disruption, and claiming to be a newbie will not excuse that. Furthermore, I and other editors have recently provided you with direct links to many Wikipedia policies and guidelines (PAGs), including WP:CONSENSUS, WP:EW, and WP:NPA. I really hope you will read those PAGs before going much further. You clearly have a high level of interest in the Grusch page, and that's cool. But please do not let that interest devolve into disruptive editing, which I fear is becoming a real possibility. Such editing could lead to a topic ban or worse, and absolutely no one wants that to happen. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 19:25, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Are you familiar with Wikipedia's policies regarding copying copyrighted material and placing this material into Wikipedia articles? Let me give an instance where I see this and it seems there are more:
Here is what appears to be what you wrote in the Unidentified flying object article [1] (one has to use the "find" search tool in the browser to get to it):
Inspired by the development of science fiction fan clubs and newsletters in the 1930s and 1940s, UFO enthusiasts in the early 1950s started to organize local "saucer clubs" to collect and discuss the latest developments. By the end of the decade, some had grown into vibrant organizations, with national, even international followings and monthly newsletters which actively solicited contributions from members about their own sightings and theories.
Here is the text in the Boston Review article used as a source [2]:
Inspired by the development of science fiction fan clubs and newsletters in the 1930s and ’40s, enthusiasts beginning in the early ’50s organized local saucer clubs where members could meet to discuss the latest developments. By the end of the decade, some had grown into vibrant organizations, with national, even international followings and monthly newsletters which actively solicited contributions from members about their own sightings and theories.
These are word for word copyright violations. And as I look at the text just from that edit there seems to be more that has been copy and pasted into this article. All the material that has been copy and pasted into this article has to be reverted. This includes text copy and pasted from other articles. So, I have reverted the article to the version just prior to the copy right violations. Please don't do this anymore. Repeated instances can lead to being blocked and ultimately banned. And I don't want to see that happen. Also, please remove any material that you have copy and pasted into any articles. This will be very helpful. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 03:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Normally, I don't really recommend bad films, but some people, like User:Drbogdan and myself, get a kick out of B movie science fiction films. The 11th Green (2020) is one of these films. I just watched it on Amazon, but I'm sure it is available elsewhere. It is very entertaining in some sense, as Christopher Münch is not a particularly bad writer or director. What I think you'll find interesting, is that the film is a fictionalized account of the modern UFO mythos that attempts to explain it in contemporaneous terms using what can only be described as hilarious plot points. For example, an actor portraying Barack Obama (quite well, I must say), uses a binaural beats app on his phone to "time travel" (in some sense, I think) to the past to talk about UFOs with Dwight D. Eisenhower and an official representative of the aliens, who if I'm not mistaken seems to resemble Jesus Christ. It's one of the weirdest films I've seen in years, so it's worth checking out, just as long as you leave your brain at the door. Viriditas ( talk) 10:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
For your consideration... Viriditas ( talk) 10:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
This can affect the entire article:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/22/tim-burchett-ufos-00107708
The Oversight hearing next week will feature David Grusch, a former intelligence employee who claimed in June that the government had a secret UFO recovery program that found a “partially intact craft of non-human remains.” While at least one Democrat has helped Republican colleagues push the issue, members say they have faced pushback from different corners and seen witnesses drop out. Bolstering the transparency effort is a bipartisan charge on the other side of the Capitol led by Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who has pushed legislation that would lead to the declassification of documents on the matter. The bill would amend the annual defense authorization to mandate government agencies to collect and submit records on UFOs to a review board within 300 days. “The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena,” Schumer said of the legislation in a release. “We are not only working to declassify what the government has previously learned about these phenomena but to create a pipeline for future research to be made public.” Amirrezaahmadi134 ( talk) 23:13, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Please watch this. this guy is a top security geopolitics analyst. extremely smart and an absolute expert on the topic.
https://twitter.com/matthew_pines
I've selected two important moments from the conversation below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJM4YydWkI&t=4654s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJM4YydWkI&t=4285s
notes: https://twitter.com/matthew_pines/status/1682912062626844672
Amirrezaahmadi134 ( talk) 01:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
https://www.ft.com/content/5235af64-9646-4c50-8d7c-93f7f04f7bb6
mentions David Frevor as retired Navy commander. the article right now says pilot. Amirrezaahmadi134 ( talk) 15:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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I hope you had a chance to listen to the latest podcast from the Black Vault. It's pretty good. The end of the podcast has some surprises, particularly John's cogent argument as to why an alleged coverup might be justified (or rationalized). Viriditas ( talk) 10:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Anyone know of good sources that noted and commented on how Charles McCullough (President Obama’s former Intelligence Community Inspector General who represented Grusch in his Intelligence Community Inspector General complaint) was seated directly behind Grusch in the Congressional hearings?
Sorry, I got distracted by many other shiny things. Ape see nice object, ape like. Anyway, back to your outline: I was originally interested in adding material about Project Sign and Grudge way back during the Grusch article development spurt. I even downloaded a book to do it. But I need to go back into my files to find it. When I can, I will attempt to add material your article. Viriditas ( talk) 23:11, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Page 141:...The media and science fiction magazines were one thing, but ironically in view of subsequent history, it was only when the U.S. Air Force decided to investigate the flying saucer reports that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was recognized at an official level. During 1947 the Air Force, charged with the security of the skies for the United States, collected 147 flying saucer reports at its Technical Intelligence Division of the Air Materiel Command at Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio. On December 30, 1947, the order was given to begin a project to study the phenomenon, and an incident on January 7, 1948, reinforced the propriety of Air Force participation. On that date a large number of people spotted a UFO in proximity to Godman Air Force Base, near Louisville and Fort Knox, Kentucky. When three F-51 planes, led by Captain Thomas Mantell, went to check out the reports, Mantell’s plane crashed after he reported that he was at an altitude of 22,000 feet. Although investigators concluded that he had blacked out from lack of oxygen, speculation persisted that Mantell had been shot down by an extraterrestrial spacecraft. While it is now believed that Mantell was chasing a Skyhook balloon outfitted with a camera (later used for secret reconnaissance over Iron Curtain countries), the more colorful and exciting extraterrestrial rumors were hard to quash. This was only the beginning of many hard lessons concerning the UFO phenomenon. The Air Force would investigate this and a growing number of UFO reports through Project Sign, set up on January 22, 1948; Project Grudge, set up on December 16, 1948; and finally Project Blue Book, set up in March 1952, and continuing for 17 years.
Page 142: An illustration of a saucer-shaped UFO from a 1929 issue of Science Wonder Stories foreshadowing the phenomenon two decades later
Page 143: The extraterrestrial hypothesis first emerged officially in Project Sign, where an "Estimate of the Situation" in late 1948 concluded that the UFOs were of extraterrestrial origin. But General Hoyt S. Vandenburg disagreed, and the report was returned, declassified, and burned. For the time being, the extraterrestrial hypothesis lost ground in the Air Force, but Project Sign’s final report still left open the possibility that the UFO phenomenon might be something extraordinary and extraterrestrial. However, because it lacked the facts for an objective assessment, the study labeled the ideas of extraterrestrial space ships or atomic-powered aircraft "largely conjecture." In an appendix to the report on "the likelihood of a visit from other worlds as an engineering problem," James E. Lipp of the Rand Corporation placed thousand-to-one odds against the existence of higher life forms in our solar system and concluded that although space travelers from neighboring stars were much more likely than spaceships from Mars, this would require propulsion systems as yet unconceived on Earth. Visits from space were possible, he concluded, but they were "very improbable," and the actions attributed to flying saucers in 1947 and 1948 "seem[ed] inconsistent with the requirements for space travel."
When Project Grudge replaced Project Sign at the end of 1948, it had a less open-minded strategy. In the words of the historian David Jacobs, "New staff people replaced many of the old personnel who had leaned toward the extraterrestrial hypothesis. In the future, Sign personnel would assume that all UFO reports were misidentifications, hoaxes, or hallucinations." Project Grudge shifted the focus from explaining an unusual phenomenon in the atmosphere as something real to explaining it as illusion. A Saturday Evening Post article stated the new Air Force philosophy, backed up by Nobel Prize-winning chemist Irving Langmuir, a Project Sign consultant, whose advice to the Air Force on UFOs was to "Forget it!"
Project Grudge did, however, take one step that would be of profound importance to UFO history. It hired J. Allen Hynek (Fig. 5.2), an astronomy professor at nearby Ohio State University, to examine possible astronomical explanations for UFOs. Hynek (1910-1986) had come to Ohio State immediately after graduating with a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in 1935. In 1956 he would go on to become the associate director of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, and 4 years later he became chairman of the Astronomy Department at Northwestern University. The year 1949 marked the beginning of a lifelong association with the UFO problem, culminating with his founding of the Center for UFO Studies in 1973.
Hi Jhake,
I was wondering about how wikipedia articles are created, who can I ask for help? Westerosi456H ( talk) 02:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
We could probably add this to about half a dozen articles. That's why I'm putting it on your talkpage.
jps ( talk) 16:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
This is the reason why Wikipedia is rapidly loosing interest. By the bias remarks on a subject like David Grusch. A completely one sided article. Why did you not focus on David high ranking status and employment and others on the stand?? Hellomrcrumpet62 ( talk) 16:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a new user and wasn't able to comment on talk page for David Grusch, but I noticed this in the article:
"Reporting on past psychiatric treatment received by Grusch"
Doesn't this violate descrimation policy of wikipedia to write this about claims made by a veteran suffering from PTSD?
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:English_Wikipedia_non-discrimination_policy
/info/en/?search=Discrimination#Disability Amirreza-Astro21 ( talk) 02:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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The article David Bentley Hart you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:David Bentley Hart for comments about the article, and Talk:David Bentley Hart/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Helloheart -- Helloheart ( talk) 03:22, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
Congratulations! Towards FA, I recommend now to go for a peer review. I'll comment there, seeing that it looks great at a glance. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:57, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Jjhake, I have noticed that you have interest in the work of David Bentley Hart. I have enjoyed modifying a page you have invested much time in. May I be so brazenly and bluntly ask if you know of any discussion (usually critical) of "manualist" ethics in Hart's books? (Quotations and page numbers would be extremely helpful.) My intention of my request for help is for improvement of Draft:Manualism in moral theology. Thanks - and please do not feel obliged! FatalSubjectivities ( talk) 09:13, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
Nowhere near ready or stable for a review. I would recommend withdrawing this submission and resubmitting in another month. I say this as a reviewer with many articles under my belt. I would fail this in a minute. The stability criterion is essential. Viriditas ( talk) 22:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. At this moment, I am not able to get over the talk page of the current article we are both working on. But I want to say a few words in general about the historic value of this article compared to other, more down to earth, articles.
It seems your goal is to record what is happening now for the benefit of future historians and using Wikipedia as a vehicle for doing that. This is a laudable goal. And in regards to this Grusch article I am wondering if it is worth your valuable training and experience to put so much effort into this particular article. I am pretty sure this will be merely a blip in our nation's and the world's history when looking back decades or a century from now.
I'm thinking it would be better to apply your talents to articles that are more mainstream and have a potential to impact the direction of our nation and the nations of the world. I don't think an article such as this and the other related article you recently edited will have such an impact. It seems these types of events will interest only hobbyists and true believers. And true believers do not run the world for the most part.
It may be such reports like Grush's are simply the manifestations of past unacknowledged personal trauma that resides in the unconscious. And It is Ross Douthat who seems to say this in his opinion piece when referencing Carl Jung.
Therefore it is most likely an illusion, currently covered by the press, and rogue intelligence officials failing to report classified SAP programs to Congress, also covered by the press. So, the real reason that Congress is upset is the failure to inform Congress about classified data and programs. I think the vast majority of Congressmen do not believe we are storing extraterrestrial vehicles and bodies. So how much of an impact can this story have in the end?
I don't know exactly what type of articles will best be served by your training and experience. Well, one that comes to mind is Artificial Intelligence (fondly known as AI), which is causing serious concern. Another is the work behind developing manned missions to Mars and that planet's eventual colonization. There is also the technologies being developed to ameliorate the impact of Global Climate Change, such as fusion reaction, which seems to be an interesting field of historical value all on its own.
Anyway, these are just some thoughts. Expertise in all disciplines are needed on Wikipedia. Regards, ---- Steve Quinn ( talk) 02:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
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Great work on David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." Don't give up now. Take a break and come back to it. Your efforts are truly appreciated. Viriditas ( talk) 08:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC) |
Here I suggested that you familiarize yourself with
WP:NPA. I do so again, for the final time, because Talk page comments like
this (your ridiculously narrow-minded questions
) and
this you entirely misrepresent the topic and fan the flames
) are personal attacks that are against policy and do nothing to improve article content.
JoJo Anthrax (
talk) 13:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
This will be my final note here (I hope), and I make it in good faith. Despite beginning your Wikipedia 'career' in 2004, you keep claiming that you are a newbie (I can list the diffs if you insist, but your user page makes the same claim). You have made over 3100 edits, so please recognize that you are not a newbie. Continuing to use that claim as an explanation/shield/whatever for your edits is not tenable. I write this because you seem to be bludgeoning the David Grusch UFO whistleblower claims Talk page in a manner that is verging upon disruption, and claiming to be a newbie will not excuse that. Furthermore, I and other editors have recently provided you with direct links to many Wikipedia policies and guidelines (PAGs), including WP:CONSENSUS, WP:EW, and WP:NPA. I really hope you will read those PAGs before going much further. You clearly have a high level of interest in the Grusch page, and that's cool. But please do not let that interest devolve into disruptive editing, which I fear is becoming a real possibility. Such editing could lead to a topic ban or worse, and absolutely no one wants that to happen. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 19:25, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello. Are you familiar with Wikipedia's policies regarding copying copyrighted material and placing this material into Wikipedia articles? Let me give an instance where I see this and it seems there are more:
Here is what appears to be what you wrote in the Unidentified flying object article [1] (one has to use the "find" search tool in the browser to get to it):
Inspired by the development of science fiction fan clubs and newsletters in the 1930s and 1940s, UFO enthusiasts in the early 1950s started to organize local "saucer clubs" to collect and discuss the latest developments. By the end of the decade, some had grown into vibrant organizations, with national, even international followings and monthly newsletters which actively solicited contributions from members about their own sightings and theories.
Here is the text in the Boston Review article used as a source [2]:
Inspired by the development of science fiction fan clubs and newsletters in the 1930s and ’40s, enthusiasts beginning in the early ’50s organized local saucer clubs where members could meet to discuss the latest developments. By the end of the decade, some had grown into vibrant organizations, with national, even international followings and monthly newsletters which actively solicited contributions from members about their own sightings and theories.
These are word for word copyright violations. And as I look at the text just from that edit there seems to be more that has been copy and pasted into this article. All the material that has been copy and pasted into this article has to be reverted. This includes text copy and pasted from other articles. So, I have reverted the article to the version just prior to the copy right violations. Please don't do this anymore. Repeated instances can lead to being blocked and ultimately banned. And I don't want to see that happen. Also, please remove any material that you have copy and pasted into any articles. This will be very helpful. --- Steve Quinn ( talk) 03:41, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Normally, I don't really recommend bad films, but some people, like User:Drbogdan and myself, get a kick out of B movie science fiction films. The 11th Green (2020) is one of these films. I just watched it on Amazon, but I'm sure it is available elsewhere. It is very entertaining in some sense, as Christopher Münch is not a particularly bad writer or director. What I think you'll find interesting, is that the film is a fictionalized account of the modern UFO mythos that attempts to explain it in contemporaneous terms using what can only be described as hilarious plot points. For example, an actor portraying Barack Obama (quite well, I must say), uses a binaural beats app on his phone to "time travel" (in some sense, I think) to the past to talk about UFOs with Dwight D. Eisenhower and an official representative of the aliens, who if I'm not mistaken seems to resemble Jesus Christ. It's one of the weirdest films I've seen in years, so it's worth checking out, just as long as you leave your brain at the door. Viriditas ( talk) 10:10, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
For your consideration... Viriditas ( talk) 10:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
This can affect the entire article:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/22/tim-burchett-ufos-00107708
The Oversight hearing next week will feature David Grusch, a former intelligence employee who claimed in June that the government had a secret UFO recovery program that found a “partially intact craft of non-human remains.” While at least one Democrat has helped Republican colleagues push the issue, members say they have faced pushback from different corners and seen witnesses drop out. Bolstering the transparency effort is a bipartisan charge on the other side of the Capitol led by Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who has pushed legislation that would lead to the declassification of documents on the matter. The bill would amend the annual defense authorization to mandate government agencies to collect and submit records on UFOs to a review board within 300 days. “The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena,” Schumer said of the legislation in a release. “We are not only working to declassify what the government has previously learned about these phenomena but to create a pipeline for future research to be made public.” Amirrezaahmadi134 ( talk) 23:13, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Please watch this. this guy is a top security geopolitics analyst. extremely smart and an absolute expert on the topic.
https://twitter.com/matthew_pines
I've selected two important moments from the conversation below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJM4YydWkI&t=4654s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJJM4YydWkI&t=4285s
notes: https://twitter.com/matthew_pines/status/1682912062626844672
Amirrezaahmadi134 ( talk) 01:00, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
https://www.ft.com/content/5235af64-9646-4c50-8d7c-93f7f04f7bb6
mentions David Frevor as retired Navy commander. the article right now says pilot. Amirrezaahmadi134 ( talk) 15:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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I hope you had a chance to listen to the latest podcast from the Black Vault. It's pretty good. The end of the podcast has some surprises, particularly John's cogent argument as to why an alleged coverup might be justified (or rationalized). Viriditas ( talk) 10:39, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
Anyone know of good sources that noted and commented on how Charles McCullough (President Obama’s former Intelligence Community Inspector General who represented Grusch in his Intelligence Community Inspector General complaint) was seated directly behind Grusch in the Congressional hearings?
Sorry, I got distracted by many other shiny things. Ape see nice object, ape like. Anyway, back to your outline: I was originally interested in adding material about Project Sign and Grudge way back during the Grusch article development spurt. I even downloaded a book to do it. But I need to go back into my files to find it. When I can, I will attempt to add material your article. Viriditas ( talk) 23:11, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Page 141:...The media and science fiction magazines were one thing, but ironically in view of subsequent history, it was only when the U.S. Air Force decided to investigate the flying saucer reports that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was recognized at an official level. During 1947 the Air Force, charged with the security of the skies for the United States, collected 147 flying saucer reports at its Technical Intelligence Division of the Air Materiel Command at Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio. On December 30, 1947, the order was given to begin a project to study the phenomenon, and an incident on January 7, 1948, reinforced the propriety of Air Force participation. On that date a large number of people spotted a UFO in proximity to Godman Air Force Base, near Louisville and Fort Knox, Kentucky. When three F-51 planes, led by Captain Thomas Mantell, went to check out the reports, Mantell’s plane crashed after he reported that he was at an altitude of 22,000 feet. Although investigators concluded that he had blacked out from lack of oxygen, speculation persisted that Mantell had been shot down by an extraterrestrial spacecraft. While it is now believed that Mantell was chasing a Skyhook balloon outfitted with a camera (later used for secret reconnaissance over Iron Curtain countries), the more colorful and exciting extraterrestrial rumors were hard to quash. This was only the beginning of many hard lessons concerning the UFO phenomenon. The Air Force would investigate this and a growing number of UFO reports through Project Sign, set up on January 22, 1948; Project Grudge, set up on December 16, 1948; and finally Project Blue Book, set up in March 1952, and continuing for 17 years.
Page 142: An illustration of a saucer-shaped UFO from a 1929 issue of Science Wonder Stories foreshadowing the phenomenon two decades later
Page 143: The extraterrestrial hypothesis first emerged officially in Project Sign, where an "Estimate of the Situation" in late 1948 concluded that the UFOs were of extraterrestrial origin. But General Hoyt S. Vandenburg disagreed, and the report was returned, declassified, and burned. For the time being, the extraterrestrial hypothesis lost ground in the Air Force, but Project Sign’s final report still left open the possibility that the UFO phenomenon might be something extraordinary and extraterrestrial. However, because it lacked the facts for an objective assessment, the study labeled the ideas of extraterrestrial space ships or atomic-powered aircraft "largely conjecture." In an appendix to the report on "the likelihood of a visit from other worlds as an engineering problem," James E. Lipp of the Rand Corporation placed thousand-to-one odds against the existence of higher life forms in our solar system and concluded that although space travelers from neighboring stars were much more likely than spaceships from Mars, this would require propulsion systems as yet unconceived on Earth. Visits from space were possible, he concluded, but they were "very improbable," and the actions attributed to flying saucers in 1947 and 1948 "seem[ed] inconsistent with the requirements for space travel."
When Project Grudge replaced Project Sign at the end of 1948, it had a less open-minded strategy. In the words of the historian David Jacobs, "New staff people replaced many of the old personnel who had leaned toward the extraterrestrial hypothesis. In the future, Sign personnel would assume that all UFO reports were misidentifications, hoaxes, or hallucinations." Project Grudge shifted the focus from explaining an unusual phenomenon in the atmosphere as something real to explaining it as illusion. A Saturday Evening Post article stated the new Air Force philosophy, backed up by Nobel Prize-winning chemist Irving Langmuir, a Project Sign consultant, whose advice to the Air Force on UFOs was to "Forget it!"
Project Grudge did, however, take one step that would be of profound importance to UFO history. It hired J. Allen Hynek (Fig. 5.2), an astronomy professor at nearby Ohio State University, to examine possible astronomical explanations for UFOs. Hynek (1910-1986) had come to Ohio State immediately after graduating with a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago in 1935. In 1956 he would go on to become the associate director of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, and 4 years later he became chairman of the Astronomy Department at Northwestern University. The year 1949 marked the beginning of a lifelong association with the UFO problem, culminating with his founding of the Center for UFO Studies in 1973.
Hi Jhake,
I was wondering about how wikipedia articles are created, who can I ask for help? Westerosi456H ( talk) 02:09, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
We could probably add this to about half a dozen articles. That's why I'm putting it on your talkpage.
jps ( talk) 16:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
This is the reason why Wikipedia is rapidly loosing interest. By the bias remarks on a subject like David Grusch. A completely one sided article. Why did you not focus on David high ranking status and employment and others on the stand?? Hellomrcrumpet62 ( talk) 16:45, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a new user and wasn't able to comment on talk page for David Grusch, but I noticed this in the article:
"Reporting on past psychiatric treatment received by Grusch"
Doesn't this violate descrimation policy of wikipedia to write this about claims made by a veteran suffering from PTSD?
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/info/en/?search=Discrimination#Disability Amirreza-Astro21 ( talk) 02:23, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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