News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).
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Guideline and policy news
- There are a number of new or changed speedy deletion criteria, each previously part of WP:CSD#G6:
- G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion ( discussion). This is {{ db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
- R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion ( discussion). This is {{ db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
- G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts ( discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{ db-blankdraft}}.
- The Wikimedia Foundation now requires all interface administrators to enable two-factor authentication.
- Members of the Bot Approvals Group (BAG) are now subject to an activity requirement. After two years without any bot-related activity (e.g. operating a bot, posting on a bot-related talk page), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice.
Technical news
- Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:
- At least 8 characters in length
- Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
- Different from their username
- User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on MediaWiki.org.
- Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
- {{ Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.
Arbitration
- Following the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: AGK, Courcelles, GorillaWarfare, Joe Roe, Mkdw, SilkTork.
Miscellaneous
- Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
- Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
In reference to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 147#Ref. desk protection, I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the current discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Indefinitely protecting the refdesk. -- RDBury ( talk) 09:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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Your common-sense explanation of the "partial government shutdown" on the Humanities RefDesk is concise and helpful. May I please copy it to post outside of WP?-- Thomprod ( talk) 14:18, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm way behind. Here you gave an interesting explanation about being autoconfirmed, although you said the person had to edit 4 articles before they could be autoconfirmed. You actually meant 10 since it's 4 days and 10 edits, but in fact it could be ten edits to the same page. And that wouldn't even have to be an article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Several really good explanations in that archive.—
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- Alright. I'm not sure why you're digging up a mistake I made over 3 months ago in the Teahouse, but I humbly apologize for my catastrophic mistake in judgement, and I hope that the damage I did in writing the wrong word 3 months ago will not cause undo destruction to Wikipedia. -- Jayron 32 13:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me rather strange that you protected a talk page indefinitely. I can see that there was a long track record of disruptive editing that merited a lot longer than the usual weeks or even months. I can see a case to protect a main space article indefinitely though it ought to be a really exceptional case for a high profile biography of a living person. Setting a time limit forces a review, even if it has to be because of renewed disruptive editing. Hard cases make bad law. In the case of tropical year and talk:tropical year, it looks like an anon editor is trying to make a good faith edit and the discussion about the change is happening in the edit summaries instead of the talk page. Would you unblock please? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 16:26, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- I see that there is a wider discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Inability to use talk page at "Tropical year" so you may wish to see that resolved first. --
John Maynard Friedman (
talk) 16:37, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- BTW, you probably don't have to read the whole ANI thread. I'm pretty sure you misread the protection log (or whatever) as you said when protecting the sock came back within minutes. It was actually over a year later, protection expired on 13:19, 31 January 2017 and you protected on 15:59, 31 January 2018
[1] so may be better to just unprotect. If you think this case has probably drawn their attention and decline to unprotect at the moment because of that, then maybe explain that at ANI.
Nil Einne (
talk) 18:17, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- BTW, the prior 1 year protection started in January, 2017, and ended a few minutes before VXFC edited in January 2018. That pattern (waiting on a protection to expire, then immediately starting to disrupt the page again) is standard VXFC behavior. I fully expect VXFC to start editing that talk page again. However, I have unprotected the page, per your request. Via con dios. -- Jayron 32 12:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- BTW, you probably don't have to read the whole ANI thread. I'm pretty sure you misread the protection log (or whatever) as you said when protecting the sock came back within minutes. It was actually over a year later, protection expired on 13:19, 31 January 2017 and you protected on 15:59, 31 January 2018
[1] so may be better to just unprotect. If you think this case has probably drawn their attention and decline to unprotect at the moment because of that, then maybe explain that at ANI.
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Yet most of the content is already covered at Carrie Lam as Chief Executive of Hong Kong. It is not necessary to have the exact same information on two different articles. Doesn’t matter if it’s “repeated elsewhere in the article”, if another article already covers it, there should only be a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article. Hayman30 ( talk) 15:50, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, but you didn't leave a summary and a hatnote. You wholesale removed the entirety of it. If you just tightened up the language, or left a summary and a hatnote behind, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. So, go do that if you want to. Shorten the summaries, leave the hatnotes, etc. But you removed entire chunks of relevant text with no further reading or summary left behind for others. --
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- What do you mean I didn’t leave a summary? I literally said that the content is repetitive. If I had to be as specific as saying that it’s repeating content from another article, I apologize. And there is already a hatnote in the section, and I did left a short summary. Apparently you saw me removing a great deal of content and you exercised poor judgment by not looking into the matter first and hastily undid my edit. I won’t be touching he article now and I’ll just let the people who’s been working on the article handle it. Will be leaving a message on the article talk page.
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- Sorry, I don't follow.
Here you removed all of the short summaries and hatnotes for a good half dozen sections. You didn't leave behind, as you say "a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article." You quite literally did the opposite; you removed all of the summaries, hatnotes, and everything else. For someone calling someone else "hasty", you put very little effort into complying with the very guidance you just told me to do; you simply blanked out a half dozen sections of the article, and left no summaries or pointers behind to the content you called repetitive. --
Jayron
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- Oh my word can please examine closely. All those sections were supposed to be placed under “Chief Executive” and I left that section behind along with the hatnote. That section was all the primary article needed as somebody literally just copy-pasted content from/to the secondary article (compare Carrie Lam#Disqualifications of localists and Carrie Lam as Chief Executive of Hong Kong#Localist candidates' disqualification). It was you who put absolutely no effort looking into my edit and assumed bad faith because of the amount of content I removed. And can you not assume that you’re always right for literally one second? Shit happens, take it. Hayman30 ( talk) 16:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't follow.
Here you removed all of the short summaries and hatnotes for a good half dozen sections. You didn't leave behind, as you say "a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article." You quite literally did the opposite; you removed all of the summaries, hatnotes, and everything else. For someone calling someone else "hasty", you put very little effort into complying with the very guidance you just told me to do; you simply blanked out a half dozen sections of the article, and left no summaries or pointers behind to the content you called repetitive. --
Jayron
32 16:20, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- What do you mean I didn’t leave a summary? I literally said that the content is repetitive. If I had to be as specific as saying that it’s repeating content from another article, I apologize. And there is already a hatnote in the section, and I did left a short summary. Apparently you saw me removing a great deal of content and you exercised poor judgment by not looking into the matter first and hastily undid my edit. I won’t be touching he article now and I’ll just let the people who’s been working on the article handle it. Will be leaving a message on the article talk page.
Hayman30 (
talk) 16:08, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).
Administrator changes
Interface administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
- Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
- A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.
Technical news
- A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress ( permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.
Miscellaneous
- Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
- A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.
How does an actual "new" user know to go to a specific user and proclaim that they're a new user? [2] The user's approach reminds me a little bit of the banned Bowei Huang or whoever the name was, but it could just be a brief shot. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:26, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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This is a bush move. Don't do this. Nobody gives a rat's ass about what the official name is. What matters is what people call it. See WP:COMMONNAME. Also see the two recent discussion on the talk page where it was decided not to move the article. Either you are aware of these, in which case you know perfectly well that the move was way out of line, or else you're not aware of them, in which case you shouldn't be moving articles. Herostratus ( talk) 14:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- I have fixed the problem. As a side note, if you had not have been an asshole in the tone you took with me, I still would have done so. You can be polite and still get things done. --
Jayron
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- OK, sorry. Herostratus ( talk) 15:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi - I tried to ping you from the "Meaning of life" paragraph at the Teahouse. I think you ping someone if you responded to their comment or edit. I didn't realize you were an administrator so I'm sorry for taking your time on my learning experiment. Eschoryii ( talk) 06:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
NCDOT made it official last month, US 311 is no more south of Winston-Salem. I figured you would want to make the edits to U.S. Route 311 since you have made recent changes to it first. -- WashuOtaku ( talk) 02:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- They had received permission to do so from AASHTO. Do we have sources showing they are taking down the signs? If so, we can start fixing the article based on the sources. -- Jayron 32 14:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
You broke the 'hidden' stuff here, and the words "readd if Lagerfeld is promoted to blurb" were displayed on the main page. I've attempted a fix but you might want to take another look in case I've misinterpreted what you were trying to do... Giant Snowman 15:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi hii. Would you care to review or offer comments to this nomination? Apart from one substantial review, it has been relatively stale so far. Dan56 ( talk) 14:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).
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Guideline and policy news
- The RfC on administrator activity requirements failed to reach consensus for any proposal.
- Following discussions at the Bureaucrats' noticeboard and Wikipedia talk:Administrators, an earlier change to the restoration of adminship policy was reverted. If requested, bureaucrats will not restore administrator permissions removed due to inactivity if there have been five years without a logged administrator action; this "five year rule" does not apply to permissions removed voluntarily.
Technical news
- A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.
Arbitration
- The Arbitration Committee announced
two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g.,
WP:COIN or
WP:SPI).
- paid-en-wp
wikipedia.org has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive
paid editing. - checkuser-en-wpwikipedia.org has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.
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- The Arbitration Committee announced
two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g.,
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WP:SPI).
Miscellaneous
- Following the 2019 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: Base, Einsbor, Jon Kolbert, Schniggendiller, and Wim b.
If that user persists in asking about his favorite subject, vasectomy and its variations, do you recommend just hatting it right away, to be done with it? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- I don't recommended things, but that's what I plan to do myself.--
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- Rogereeny. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hello friend from the USA It's Ahab You did a bad move shutting down the discussion on Harriet Owen/Sophie B. Hawkins I am asking where sources are that show that they are different people and instead you guys are being unhelpful, thinking i'm doing something else. You had better have a good reason without links to long-winded policies for shutting down that discussion. thanks. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I suggest you stop calling me names like insane dear friend. It only reinforces my feelings towards you guys in the red white and blue country. Also since you're an admin, I invite you to read why it is that I will not take orders from an American like that, "you will stop it" as opposed to the request "please sto pit". I have no problem discussing things wit hyou, and I have no problems taking suggestions from you or any other users, but you will not give me orders. I can't take orders from Americans because you guys continue to attack my country of origin, and you guys support the Saudis, who have destroyed the area I live in. As for the discussions themselves, Im' being combative because everybody links me to long long policy pages. I can't just skim through them like you sighted people can. What I have to do is use my creen-reader called JAWS to listen to the whole page in hopes of finding somethign that relates to what's going on. Try listening to a monotonous voie read out pollicies, and it's as interesting as watching paint dry. So yes, I will take suggestions from you, I will have discussions from you, but I will never take orders from any American until the USA stops attacking Yemen and the Aden area, that I called home for the first part of my life. The bad people are gone, please, leave Yemen alone. That is why I cannot take any orders form Americans. here's something to remember, أنا صديقك وليس المرؤوس الخاص بك 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC) it means i am your friend, not your subbordinates. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
You live in NH and NC, two U.S> states. and no I don't mean it in a bad way. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
This may help explain why I don't take orders from Americans baseball bugs. Let's say an arsonist comes around and burns your house down. You ended up finding out the arsonist is Mr. Jones. Then a time later mr. Jones comes and starts bossing you around. are you going to let Mr. Jones order you around? no! Mr. Jones goes to jail and comes out a changed man, wiling to discuss things and what not. But then he comes and starts ordering you around again. Are you going to follow his orders, knowing that he burned down your house? I wouldn't. I hope that helps. Also cut the racism and xenophobia crap, if somebody came and destroyed your home you'd dislike them too. and I said I'd engage with Americans I just won't take orders from them. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 14:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
OK. I think we've had enough here.-- Jayron 32 16:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)}} |
Hello Take a look at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment where some guy with a long number username tries to do this big huge exposé on me. He links some IP addresses with similar numbers to the one I use, and tha thave some similarities to me (one's blind the 23 one that I'm wondering if he messed u pwith that one), but hasn't explained how I match this troll to a T. By the looks of things, the troll is anti-American while I just ask that they not essentially boss me around due to the war in yemen. As for the blind guy at the 23 IP address this perosn mentions, he's Eritrean, and I have no idea where the 199 addresses are from. We geolocate to the same general area, maybe there's a wiki troll in the area I am in, i don't know. I can see we both are bad typists too (not insulting anyone) Can you please weigh in on my talk page and help me move the discussion there rather than on the ref desk? thanks 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 01:38, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
I do want to point out something that I remember from my time in the UK when I edited from some UK IP addresses, I was accused of being a troll, linked to a
guy named Cuddlyable3 (an odd name hence why I remembe rit, sounds cartoony), and they said we had similar behaviors, save th elack of asking Americans not to come after me.
marnetteD and
2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 had better have some damn good explanations for claiming i am trolling. I mean it. After the Cuddlyable incident a couple years ago I'm not really willing to take an accusation at face value.
199.101.61.34 (
talk) 01:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Update:
Apparently now I am
Comet Egyot or maybe I'm
Nissae Isen's man or I don't know wh oelse, on my talk page I'm also being linked to
User:Eric Ramus
The one making the accusations there is
this user.
Can all this bullshit stop lease? I'm losing my patience here big time.
First, it was cuddlyable3 when I lived in the UK. I move to Canada, have some time to edit, and now I'm Commet Egypt or Nissea's man or Eric Ramus or eric the red or whatever whatever i'm going mental here!
Seriously, can you please talk to these people because short of me showing them my immigration papers I have no way of proving I moved to Canada in June of 2018, and I don't like the idea of having to go to suc hlengths to prove I am who I am.
This is cuddlyable3 all over again and I will not have it.
Maybe Wikipedia is a toxic environment after all. I sure as hell feel poisoned after all of this crap, it'sa disaster.
I can't speak to whether any of these users used my IP before me, I can only speak to what I know, and I know that I have never had an account, unless somebody used my e-mail address to create one several years ago. I did have my e-mail hacked i nlike 2015 or so, but I don't know if there was an account because when I tried creating an account last year my e-mail was associated with an existing account.
SO I am begging you, help help help! thanks
199.101.61.34 (
talk) 10:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Just as a test, I created a user called "Baseball Bugs test" and it accepted the same email address that's associated with my normal logon. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Good to know, when I'm back from Africa I may just look into an account if it will get all these troll accusations to stop. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 14:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
About the ongoing discussion at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks,_POV-pushing,_refspamming_and_attempts_to_unilaterally_override_AfD_consensus_by_91.169.1.118_and_probable_socks
XOR'easter is misleading, is distorting facts by giving microscopic and insignificant details, and is giving voluntarily a very biased/erroneous view; a quick read of the article's Talk discussion should be enough to agree. But this is not my point. I wonder why nobody ask why XOR'easter is constantly scratching the surface of the debate (and agreeing with some gentle words he/she was wrong to begin 3RR with me), instead of discussing the root fact : his/her opinion on theories disqualify him/her to contribute on cosmology related articles, because of total lack of NPOV! Detailed examples : 1) why is it strictly impossible to publish a single sentence about the crisis in cosmology whatever the huge number of valid primary and secondary references ? /info/en/?search=Talk:Bimetric_gravity 2) why having failed this simple test, is XOR'easter still allowed to be a WP admin, without even starting a debate about a ban? cf URL provided by XOR'easter himself : /info/en/?search=Talk:Black_hole#Absence_of_central_singularity_according_to_new_scientific_articles
You say the proposed sources are not enough. Please answer these questions : 1) where is written that the present article should be considered with different rules than others WP articles ? 2) to clarify Notability, give us a precise list of the minimum mandatory criteria (qualitatively and quantitatively) to add the proposed sentences in the article, according to yourself (for instance: the authors must received Nobel Price, one of them has to be named Time's magazine Man of the Year). 3) map each criteria with a WP rule (not a guideline) If you fail to provide 3) in a few days, then this would mean your approach is arbitrary. Such approach, a.k.a censorship, has no place in WP. --80.215.195.0 (talk) 09:05, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Have a nice day, -- 91.169.1.118 ( talk) 20:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not an admin, I never claimed to be one, and I have no inclination to become one. The rest of these complaints are at least as misguided. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:09, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).
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- In Special:Preferences under "Appearance" → "Advanced options", there is now an option to show a confirmation prompt when clicking on a rollback link.
- The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Please see meta:Community health initiative/User reporting system consultation 2019 to provide your input on this idea.
Arbitration
- The Arbitration Committee clarified that the General 1RR prohibition for Palestine-Israel articles may only be enforced on pages with the {{ ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}} edit notice.
Miscellaneous
- Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
- As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.
Hi - you just reverted my request for page protection - did I do something wrong? thanks GirthSummit (blether) 17:47, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- No, but I did. It was a stray click on my part. I have fixed the problem. --
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- OK, thanks. Should I resubmit the request for PP? I see that the IP user has already vandalised the page again (and been reverted). GirthSummit (blether) 17:53, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Scratch that, sorry, I see you reinstated my original request. Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 17:54, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
I want to ask you a quick alternate history question. I'm asking it here because the Ref Desks aren't supposed to be for AH questions. Anyway, here goes:
Had there been no Spanish-American War (for instance, as a result of the USS Maine being sunk in US waters rather than in Cuban waters), do you think that Puerto Rico would have remained a part of Spain up to the present-day or do you think that Puerto Rico would have eventually acquired independence from Spain and become an independent country? Futurist110 ( talk) 03:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Probably not. Spain had divested itself (or been forced to, because they revolted) of nearly all of the rest of its Western Hemisphere possessions by then anyways. There is, of course, a chance they would have held on a little longer, i.e. many other European powers still had colonies until the middle 20th century, but between 1945-1980, virtually every other European colony worldwide had been granted independence, or had taken it by force. In 2019, naw, I don't see any way that Spain would have held Puerto Rico until now. Remaining European colonies still exist, but they are so rare as to be exceptional, and playing the odds, I don't see it happening. --
Jayron
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- Small island colonies were more likely to remain a part of the metropole up to the present-day, no? I mean, Britain, France, and the Netherlands still control some small island colonies even right now (New Caledonia, some Caribbean islands, et cetera). For that matter, France also still controls French Guiana (which isn't an island) right now.
- I do agree with you that larger colonies would have very likely eventually acquired their independence. I'm just less sure about smaller colonies--especially (but not only) those that are small islands. I mean, there don't appear to be large independence movements in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, or Guam right now in real life. Rather, all of these territories appear to prefer continued US rule. Futurist110 ( talk) 21:39, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jayron. I did this: Commons:File:T formation.PNG. OK with you? Leviv ich 04:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
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I did get some sort of edit conflict message there, and apparently I did not handle that correctly, and mistakenly removed stuff that wasn't there when I first asked my question. SteamboatPhilly ( talk) 18:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for keeping it real - yes, I know that we have several regular contributors who ought to be better and ought to be held to higher standards, and who have exhausted the benefit of the doubt that we normally pay to the "newbies"... but, we try, nonetheless. After all, we are trying to educate the world, and the world is a decidedly under-educated place.
- One only hopes that an overabundance of civility can soften the edges...
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ain'tisn't an easy job... - Nimur ( talk) 17:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
hi. i noticed that you blocked a user called Dean12065 some time ago for nuisance editing. they appear to have opened a new account to evade that block
/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Musicfan245
the subjects and edits are identical in style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:bac5:7800:4956:3352:2797:929c ( talk • contribs)
- You should report this to WP:SPI instead of me. They can run a checkuser utility to see if they are the same person. I don't see enough to link them behaviorally; there are many fans of music in the world. -- Jayron 32 12:36, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
they're editing the exact same articles in the exact same style. what kind of new user edits templates?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:bac5:7800:4956:3352:2797:929c ( talk • contribs)
- You should report this to WP:SPI instead of me. They can run a checkuser utility to see if they are the same person. -- Jayron 32 13:59, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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I've got another quick alternate history question for you, Jayron32: Had there been no Spanish-American War, do you think that there would have eventually been a Spanish-Japanese war over the Philippines? Futurist110 ( talk) 05:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Depends on whether or not the Spanish would keep the Philippines or if they would have fought for their own independence before the 1930s. See Philippine–American War. -- Jayron 32 12:40, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Do you remember Tamara Press? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:17, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jayron, I don't know if you noticed, but one of your closes at ANI was modified by extending its scope (see this edit), then the entire discussion was archived. I restored the discussion to ANI, with your original close scope, but the archived version remains unchanged, looking as if you closed the entire discussion. Paul August ☎ 10:31, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
- You should have left the second closure. It was fine. Dead horses should remain unflogged. --
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- Perhaps so. But I was disturbed by the subjects subsequent edits following your close. Paul August ☎ 11:04, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Re block of Special:Contributions/Jtcampbell_baseball
While I strongly believe there is off-wiki canvasing and/or meatpuppetry involved here, I am a bit skeptical that there is socking (so far). In this case, I do not see how the edit you refer to is a self-admission of socking. Did I miss something? - SummerPhD v2.0 16:51, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
- He uses the first-person pronoun and quotes the edit of another editor account. He said "I correctly stated MGTOW is not on SPLC list" which previously that account had never said. Indeed, before showing up out of the blue to jump into the edit war, that account had not edited since 2014. It suddenly jumps into an edit war and instantly quotes, as a rationale for reverting, the edit summary of a different account, using the phrase "I correctly stated". This one is clearly the same human. -- Jayron 32 16:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for pinging you in something and then changing it. On the off chance you read it before my changes, this was what I actually think makes more sense. I didn't realize that ARBGG hadn't been updated with the clarification about how it should be interpreted... Anyway, sorry for any confusion. TonyBallioni ( talk) 03:01, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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You said, "Also, "swing feel" is wrong; it is not a dotted rhythm, which is what "swing" means." This is patently false. From here: https://www.howmusicworks.org/510/Meter-and-Rhythm/Straight-and-Swing-Timing "You will sometimes see this type of rhythm notated using dotted eighth-notes and sixteenth-notes, as shown below. This seems convenient, but it is incorrect, and should be avoided. Listen carefully to how this notation actually sounds and you will hear it is not the same as swing timing." Also, the citation from the YT channel Signals Music Studio has many incorrect assumptions. Such as timing a song with a stop-watch. You don't count music using microseconds. You use rhythm. "the time signature is often reported as 5 8, but is closer to 21 32, though it is unlikely Metallica actually intended to count 21 beats" At that tempo there are zero people on earth that can count 21/32 beats. You could at least know something about music before you get authoritative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4B5A:1D00:F07D:3D8B:F0EA:9C30 ( talk • contribs)
Rich, considering you made up that thing about swing feel and dotted rhythms are the same thing. And I did check the source. It was wrong. Dissecting music using a stop-watch leads to the wrong conclusions. Which if you would simply conduct this experiment for yourself by starting with the lyrics "End of passion play..." For each beat of the song, count it. 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 2 3 4 5 Repeat. You would't be taken in by this bogus "proof" you keep citing. But good luck trying to convince dilettantes of anything. Especially ones that refuse to do tests.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4B5A:1D00:F07D:3D8B:F0EA:9C30 ( talk • contribs) Lazy and immature. Great. I'm sure you'll find those flat-earth videos compelling proof too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4B5A:1D00:F07D:3D8B:F0EA:9C30 ( talk • contribs)
I'm sorry for being cross with you. I didn't appreciate you lying to me. Anyway, the trouble with citing a source is that the sheet music is copyrighted. Making an honest discussion about whats going on in the music, difficult. So, I guess people will just have to have bad info. swing feel and dotted rhythms are the same thing
Sigh. The relationship between "swing" notes is 66/33. The relationship between a dotted eighth note and an eighth note is 75/25. Please graduate from a conservatory. Or at least buy the music theory syllabus and study to grade 8. Yet another citation concerning swing rhythm vs dotted rhythm: http://www2.siba.fi/muste1/index.php?id=99&la=en Just because you "can represent it that way" doesn't mean it "IS that way". "You'll find many sources that will use dotted notation to indicate a swing feel." I'll also find many sources that use the phoneme ax to indicate ask. That doesn't make them correct. |
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Which other highway(s) had their number(s) designated by statute, breaking the numbering system? ~ cc
- There are dozens of interstates that violate numbering conventions. I'll not insult your intelligence by listing every one. Singling out 99 is not particularly useful. It's also a convention, and not an unbreakable law, and noting every time it happens is beyond trivial and not needed. -- Jayron 32 14:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm
Mjs1991. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person, but you didn't support your changes with a
citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning
how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Adding "Nigerish" in the Demonym, needs to have a references for it
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Hi Jayron32, you added "Nigerish" to the Demonyms, which is the Demographics of Niger. The word "Nigerish" is an offensive racial remark. Unless you can give an appropriate references that Nigerish is part of the demographics, I've removed it -- Mjs1991 ( talk) 05:00, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for your edits to Commonwealth of England (in April 2019}. Unfortunately you did not add any citations to support you additions. I have placed a template at the top of the article requesting citations (see WP:CHALLENGE) You need to supply inline citations to reliable sources to support your new text as the WP:BURDEN is on you to do so.
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Some one from the ref desk, said to give the info. Tainted-wingsz ( talk) 15:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm not much with technical matters. I wish I could help, but I'm afraid I would be useless. I am not even sure I understand the nature of your problem. Maybe someone with checkuser permissions could help? --
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- Where do I go for that? Err, my short problem was that. I just moved and for the next two months, I don't know if to add the
template? If I'm around for a short time. But the only thing is, the ip number didn't made an account. So I'm not sure what is the next course of action from there?
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- Honestly, as I think about it, I'm not exactly sure you need to do anything. Your IP address is entirely hidden from everyone except those few that HAVE checkuser permissions, of which not even normal admins have access to. Since you are editing from a registered account, basically no one will ever know that you've changed IP addresses or physical locations. What sort of problems are you anticipating or having? If you aren't anticipating or having any problems currently, I can't actually foresee any in the future. The only time
WP:SHARE comes into play is where there is the appearance of impropriety going on; it is just a reminder that checkusers can tell only if two users are sharing an IP address, but that there also needs to be behavioral evidence that there is shenanigans. You can't get dinged merely because you just happen to edit from the same address as someone else. --
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- Forgive me, for taking up your time. As I have no other further issues. Tainted-wingsz ( talk) 02:16, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly, as I think about it, I'm not exactly sure you need to do anything. Your IP address is entirely hidden from everyone except those few that HAVE checkuser permissions, of which not even normal admins have access to. Since you are editing from a registered account, basically no one will ever know that you've changed IP addresses or physical locations. What sort of problems are you anticipating or having? If you aren't anticipating or having any problems currently, I can't actually foresee any in the future. The only time
WP:SHARE comes into play is where there is the appearance of impropriety going on; it is just a reminder that checkusers can tell only if two users are sharing an IP address, but that there also needs to be behavioral evidence that there is shenanigans. You can't get dinged merely because you just happen to edit from the same address as someone else. --
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- Where do I go for that? Err, my short problem was that. I just moved and for the next two months, I don't know if to add the
template? If I'm around for a short time. But the only thing is, the ip number didn't made an account. So I'm not sure what is the next course of action from there?
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Sir, I have posted my request on top of your talk page by mistake and I don't know how to bring it at bottom. Please! see that. Thank you. ( 223.230.145.71 ( talk) 10:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC))
Sir, I am new to Wikipedia and don't know how to add information in an article. I found some important information about Dr. Shamsheer and want it to be added in the article. At first I tried myself but it lead to disruption of the article. That's why I posted the request on his talk page. Since you are an administrator you must be knowing about the procedure to add information in the article. Please! visit Dr. Shamsheer's talk page and add those informations in the article on my behalf. I will never mind that whole credit(of adding new informations)goes to you. This is the link to talk page Talk:Shamsheer Vayalil Thank you. ( 223.230.145.71 ( talk) 18:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC))
- Sorry, I don't have a lot of background in the area. I'm not sure I would be much help evaluating sources or knowing what to write. -- Jayron 32 14:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- I had provided links of those informations which I asked to add in the paragraph.
Thank you. ( 223.230.161.1 ( talk) 11:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC))
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Hi Jayron, you replied to an editor at the humanities help desk who turned out to be an LTA. I initially redacted just enough to remove the outing, but on reflection I removed their whole comment. Your comment was a direct reply, but it seemed useful so I left it in. Sorry if it makes you look a little like you're pontificating for no reason. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:51, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
- In the future, if you need to remove my response, feel free to do so as well. I hold no particular ownership over it, and I don't really care if you need to remove it if I have inadvertently fed a troll I was not supposed to. It's really no big deal to me, and feel free to go ahead and clean up any messes, including removing my comments, where necessary. --
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- Thanks, I assumed you felt that way. In this case I didn't leave your comment alone out of deference to you, but because it seemed useful info for future readers of the thread. But I just made it look like you kind of brought up a subject out of the blue, and that's what I'm saying a (minor) sorry for. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 13:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I just sent you an email. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:18, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jayron32, could you take a look at the ITN nom for the 71st Emmys? Looks like the article has been updated. -- LaserLegs ( talk) 13:42, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
It appears incivility towards other people's work is catching. Having an article I worked hard on being described as a "crap article" and one that is "sub-standard", are just two phrases that makes me think why I bother to write anything at all. I'm apathetic towards the main page and TFA is a waste of time. I care not one bit about your opinion towards my writing abilities as I've gone through your contributions and see nothing special, but your rather obvious display of contempt towards those who bother to write anything decent, is utterly disgraceful. And I'm not entirely surprised to see that you're an admin. You seem to be a pretty sub-standard one. Not nice, is it. Cassianto Talk 16:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- I never use the words "crap article". I have no idea what your writing abilities are. I have made no comment on your writing abilities at all. I haven't even looked that closely. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I would never say something like that. --
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- Try opening the diff. You described the Hordern article as being "substandard". For what reason? Because I had a date wrong? I had a questionable source (that's since been fixed)? You've written off an entire article as being "substandard" because of one minor quibble? You are being disrespectful. And it's no good gaslighting me; you know exactly what I'm on about.
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- Calm your liver. I wasn't even talking to you, I was telling the people who didn't want to fix the tag to fix it. I was agreeing with you, and arguing against the same people you were arguing against. You really need to read things before you fly off the handle. Get a grip. --
Jayron
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- Again, gaslighting me won't do you any favours. Who said you were talking to me? I wrote this article. To quote:
"I'm not exactly sure why, but those of you fighting to ensure that a maintenance tag goes unfixed have not yet proposed a replacement article 2 days out so we can avoid having a substandard article on the main page."
What you are saying is that having an article with a tag on it makes it "substandard". It doesn't, it makes it fair game to be fixed. Cassianto Talk 17:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)- Seriously. Just stop. Your article is fine. It's continuing to be fine. It will continue to be fine. I will clarify again. I was not saying that your writing was a problem. You're writing is perfectly good. I was saying that the people who were arguing against fixing the link. The same people you were arguing against, with the same point you were trying to make, that those people should fix the link rather than editwar to put a tag in. If I was not clear, and gave you the impression that I was trying to besmirch your reputation, let me re-assure you, I didn't even know your name before you started this pointless argument on my talk page. And in case you still want to continue this argument, let me state it, in no uncertain terms: Your writing is very good, and the article is excellent, and well worthy of being posted on the main page. Nothing I said before should give you the impression that it wasn't, and if what I said gives you that impression, let me assure you the blame for that lies entirely on me for not writing clearly. I apologize fully for what I said, it was unfair to you, and I should have read what I wrote and stated my point more clearly. I hope that we now understand each other. --
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32 17:30, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- I don't care about what you think of me, or indeed if you've ever heard of me before, but I do care very much about people making such dismissive slurs towards FAs which have taken a lot of time and money to write. This does not include editorial critiques. This is not the desired response I was hoping for; but in amongst all the gaslighting and patronising comments here, there's at least an apology, which I'll have to take as a way to end this. Good evening. Cassianto Talk 17:56, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Seriously. Just stop. Your article is fine. It's continuing to be fine. It will continue to be fine. I will clarify again. I was not saying that your writing was a problem. You're writing is perfectly good. I was saying that the people who were arguing against fixing the link. The same people you were arguing against, with the same point you were trying to make, that those people should fix the link rather than editwar to put a tag in. If I was not clear, and gave you the impression that I was trying to besmirch your reputation, let me re-assure you, I didn't even know your name before you started this pointless argument on my talk page. And in case you still want to continue this argument, let me state it, in no uncertain terms: Your writing is very good, and the article is excellent, and well worthy of being posted on the main page. Nothing I said before should give you the impression that it wasn't, and if what I said gives you that impression, let me assure you the blame for that lies entirely on me for not writing clearly. I apologize fully for what I said, it was unfair to you, and I should have read what I wrote and stated my point more clearly. I hope that we now understand each other. --
Jayron
32 17:30, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Again, gaslighting me won't do you any favours. Who said you were talking to me? I wrote this article. To quote:
- Calm your liver. I wasn't even talking to you, I was telling the people who didn't want to fix the tag to fix it. I was agreeing with you, and arguing against the same people you were arguing against. You really need to read things before you fly off the handle. Get a grip. --
Jayron
32 17:12, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Try opening the diff. You described the Hordern article as being "substandard". For what reason? Because I had a date wrong? I had a questionable source (that's since been fixed)? You've written off an entire article as being "substandard" because of one minor quibble? You are being disrespectful. And it's no good gaslighting me; you know exactly what I'm on about.
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Several of the concerns have now been dealt with, including a significant prose summary of results with references. However, no one is looking that far down on ITN anymore. Maybe you could take a look at the article and update the nomination, if you find it appropriate? (As I wrote on ITN, I don't think the paring down of the article can happen for at least a couple of months, the emotions are that high -- but your concerns were primarily with the results section.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 19:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Isn't it too old to make it? Is it older than the currently oldest blurb? --
Jayron
32 11:40, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- It is now. The election was a week ago yesterday (Oct 21, very tight local results, so preliminary results were not available until Tues Oct 22), but it was less than a week ago when I dropped you this note (granted, the weekend). The country is a member of the G7, so I leave it to your judgement whether it is still worth posting. Of those who opposed, not one person had revisited the article to note its improvement, even well before I finally posted. I don't usually weigh in on political articles of any stripe, but its absence was becoming a bit embarrassing. - Tenebris
66.11.171.90 (
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- It is an embarrassment that you did not clean up the article on time to get it on the main page. In the future, please work harder at improving articles so they can be posted in a timely manner. I would hate for you to go through this kind of embarrassment again. --
Jayron
32 17:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- I am the one who raised it with you, so in that sense the "you" would be accurate. I will not otherwise take ownership (or responsibility, if you prefer that word) for any political page of any stripe. Believe me, I have no personal embarrassment in this regard. I simply chose to speak for this one page this one time, and on the basis of your answer, I now return to my previous habit of not speaking for it or acting upon it at all. I do also notice that you do not address the related issue of the abandoned votes on ITN being treated as fixed, regardless of *their* not checking back on the subject of their criticisms in a timely manner. Your prerogative. I leave it here. - Tenebris
66.11.171.90 (
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- The thing is, nothing gets done on Wikipedia unless people who want it done so it themselves. Getting the Canadian election on the ITN ticker was not a goal of mine. It had to have been a goal of yours since you literally tried to get it posted. That's why it was your responsibility. Because you wanted it done, you should have done it. Asking other random people to do work just do you can make things happen if not what happens here. I'm just another volunteer, equal in all ways to you. I am not more important. As such, taking the extra step of expecting me (or literally any other person in the universe) to do anything to fix a situation you care about is not going to happen. Next time, if you take care of it yourself right away, (and the ONLY thing that means is "make the article in question better") then your goal of getting it posted on the main page will happen. Or don't. Butt if you didn't fix the problem yourself, don't also act as though anyone else should have. Because none of us are getting paid either. So it isn't anyone else's responsibility more than yours. Again, I'm not anyone important. --
Jayron
32 01:28, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- I really did mean to leave it there, but that last post of yours has a few rather significant misconceptions in it.
- (1) Nearly all of the work in question had already been long done -- by others, not me -- by the time I posted here and at ITN. However, not one person who had posted negatively on ITN had bothered to check the article for several days prior to my posting. If anyone had, they would have seen that their opposition points had been addressed -- again, I stress, by others, not me. Since it took you several days even to answer me here, that includes you. You chided me above that I "did not clean up the article on time" -- yet even though others had actually done so, any changes made between Oct 24 and my posting four days later might as well not have been made, as far as ITN is concerned.
- (2) I did not "try to get it posted" at ITN. I did not even vote there. I simply asked you, as someone who had voted negatively at ITN and had clearly not looked again between then and my posting, to take another look. I was late in posting (Oct 27), but I still asked that of you before it was too old to post. My first comment here is dated, so you can readily check this for yourself. I will readily take ownership of those comments, but otherwise you are choosing to lay responsibility on me which is not mine, for no other reason than because I am the one who spoke up.
- And btw (3) you are not equal to me at WP or at ITN. You are an admin, I am not. You do not set sole policy at ITN, but whether you choose to admit it or not, others do follow your lead. If people such as you make a negative vote and then do not bother to return to the article after you vote to see if your points have been addressed, why should others?
- Now that I have corrected the misconceptions in your post, I really will leave it up to you at this point. Based on your previous pattern in this thread, you will continue to answer me as though this were entirely my responsibility as a volunteer at WP. You can say that all you like, but that will not make it true. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 07:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- The thing is, nothing gets done on Wikipedia unless people who want it done so it themselves. Getting the Canadian election on the ITN ticker was not a goal of mine. It had to have been a goal of yours since you literally tried to get it posted. That's why it was your responsibility. Because you wanted it done, you should have done it. Asking other random people to do work just do you can make things happen if not what happens here. I'm just another volunteer, equal in all ways to you. I am not more important. As such, taking the extra step of expecting me (or literally any other person in the universe) to do anything to fix a situation you care about is not going to happen. Next time, if you take care of it yourself right away, (and the ONLY thing that means is "make the article in question better") then your goal of getting it posted on the main page will happen. Or don't. Butt if you didn't fix the problem yourself, don't also act as though anyone else should have. Because none of us are getting paid either. So it isn't anyone else's responsibility more than yours. Again, I'm not anyone important. --
Jayron
32 01:28, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- I am the one who raised it with you, so in that sense the "you" would be accurate. I will not otherwise take ownership (or responsibility, if you prefer that word) for any political page of any stripe. Believe me, I have no personal embarrassment in this regard. I simply chose to speak for this one page this one time, and on the basis of your answer, I now return to my previous habit of not speaking for it or acting upon it at all. I do also notice that you do not address the related issue of the abandoned votes on ITN being treated as fixed, regardless of *their* not checking back on the subject of their criticisms in a timely manner. Your prerogative. I leave it here. - Tenebris
66.11.171.90 (
talk) 23:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- It is an embarrassment that you did not clean up the article on time to get it on the main page. In the future, please work harder at improving articles so they can be posted in a timely manner. I would hate for you to go through this kind of embarrassment again. --
Jayron
32 17:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- It is now. The election was a week ago yesterday (Oct 21, very tight local results, so preliminary results were not available until Tues Oct 22), but it was less than a week ago when I dropped you this note (granted, the weekend). The country is a member of the G7, so I leave it to your judgement whether it is still worth posting. Of those who opposed, not one person had revisited the article to note its improvement, even well before I finally posted. I don't usually weigh in on political articles of any stripe, but its absence was becoming a bit embarrassing. - Tenebris
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- There are a number of new or changed speedy deletion criteria, each previously part of WP:CSD#G6:
- G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion ( discussion). This is {{ db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
- R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion ( discussion). This is {{ db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
- G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts ( discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{ db-blankdraft}}.
- The Wikimedia Foundation now requires all interface administrators to enable two-factor authentication.
- Members of the Bot Approvals Group (BAG) are now subject to an activity requirement. After two years without any bot-related activity (e.g. operating a bot, posting on a bot-related talk page), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice.
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In reference to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 147#Ref. desk protection, I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the current discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Indefinitely protecting the refdesk. -- RDBury ( talk) 09:58, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
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Your common-sense explanation of the "partial government shutdown" on the Humanities RefDesk is concise and helpful. May I please copy it to post outside of WP?-- Thomprod ( talk) 14:18, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm way behind. Here you gave an interesting explanation about being autoconfirmed, although you said the person had to edit 4 articles before they could be autoconfirmed. You actually meant 10 since it's 4 days and 10 edits, but in fact it could be ten edits to the same page. And that wouldn't even have to be an article.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Several really good explanations in that archive.—
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- Alright. I'm not sure why you're digging up a mistake I made over 3 months ago in the Teahouse, but I humbly apologize for my catastrophic mistake in judgement, and I hope that the damage I did in writing the wrong word 3 months ago will not cause undo destruction to Wikipedia. -- Jayron 32 13:24, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me rather strange that you protected a talk page indefinitely. I can see that there was a long track record of disruptive editing that merited a lot longer than the usual weeks or even months. I can see a case to protect a main space article indefinitely though it ought to be a really exceptional case for a high profile biography of a living person. Setting a time limit forces a review, even if it has to be because of renewed disruptive editing. Hard cases make bad law. In the case of tropical year and talk:tropical year, it looks like an anon editor is trying to make a good faith edit and the discussion about the change is happening in the edit summaries instead of the talk page. Would you unblock please? -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 16:26, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
- I see that there is a wider discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Inability to use talk page at "Tropical year" so you may wish to see that resolved first. --
John Maynard Friedman (
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- BTW, you probably don't have to read the whole ANI thread. I'm pretty sure you misread the protection log (or whatever) as you said when protecting the sock came back within minutes. It was actually over a year later, protection expired on 13:19, 31 January 2017 and you protected on 15:59, 31 January 2018
[1] so may be better to just unprotect. If you think this case has probably drawn their attention and decline to unprotect at the moment because of that, then maybe explain that at ANI.
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- BTW, the prior 1 year protection started in January, 2017, and ended a few minutes before VXFC edited in January 2018. That pattern (waiting on a protection to expire, then immediately starting to disrupt the page again) is standard VXFC behavior. I fully expect VXFC to start editing that talk page again. However, I have unprotected the page, per your request. Via con dios. -- Jayron 32 12:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
- BTW, you probably don't have to read the whole ANI thread. I'm pretty sure you misread the protection log (or whatever) as you said when protecting the sock came back within minutes. It was actually over a year later, protection expired on 13:19, 31 January 2017 and you protected on 15:59, 31 January 2018
[1] so may be better to just unprotect. If you think this case has probably drawn their attention and decline to unprotect at the moment because of that, then maybe explain that at ANI.
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Yet most of the content is already covered at Carrie Lam as Chief Executive of Hong Kong. It is not necessary to have the exact same information on two different articles. Doesn’t matter if it’s “repeated elsewhere in the article”, if another article already covers it, there should only be a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article. Hayman30 ( talk) 15:50, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, but you didn't leave a summary and a hatnote. You wholesale removed the entirety of it. If you just tightened up the language, or left a summary and a hatnote behind, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. So, go do that if you want to. Shorten the summaries, leave the hatnotes, etc. But you removed entire chunks of relevant text with no further reading or summary left behind for others. --
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- What do you mean I didn’t leave a summary? I literally said that the content is repetitive. If I had to be as specific as saying that it’s repeating content from another article, I apologize. And there is already a hatnote in the section, and I did left a short summary. Apparently you saw me removing a great deal of content and you exercised poor judgment by not looking into the matter first and hastily undid my edit. I won’t be touching he article now and I’ll just let the people who’s been working on the article handle it. Will be leaving a message on the article talk page.
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- Sorry, I don't follow.
Here you removed all of the short summaries and hatnotes for a good half dozen sections. You didn't leave behind, as you say "a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article." You quite literally did the opposite; you removed all of the summaries, hatnotes, and everything else. For someone calling someone else "hasty", you put very little effort into complying with the very guidance you just told me to do; you simply blanked out a half dozen sections of the article, and left no summaries or pointers behind to the content you called repetitive. --
Jayron
32 16:20, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oh my word can please examine closely. All those sections were supposed to be placed under “Chief Executive” and I left that section behind along with the hatnote. That section was all the primary article needed as somebody literally just copy-pasted content from/to the secondary article (compare Carrie Lam#Disqualifications of localists and Carrie Lam as Chief Executive of Hong Kong#Localist candidates' disqualification). It was you who put absolutely no effort looking into my edit and assumed bad faith because of the amount of content I removed. And can you not assume that you’re always right for literally one second? Shit happens, take it. Hayman30 ( talk) 16:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't follow.
Here you removed all of the short summaries and hatnotes for a good half dozen sections. You didn't leave behind, as you say "a brief summary and a hatnote on the primary article." You quite literally did the opposite; you removed all of the summaries, hatnotes, and everything else. For someone calling someone else "hasty", you put very little effort into complying with the very guidance you just told me to do; you simply blanked out a half dozen sections of the article, and left no summaries or pointers behind to the content you called repetitive. --
Jayron
32 16:20, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
- What do you mean I didn’t leave a summary? I literally said that the content is repetitive. If I had to be as specific as saying that it’s repeating content from another article, I apologize. And there is already a hatnote in the section, and I did left a short summary. Apparently you saw me removing a great deal of content and you exercised poor judgment by not looking into the matter first and hastily undid my edit. I won’t be touching he article now and I’ll just let the people who’s been working on the article handle it. Will be leaving a message on the article talk page.
Hayman30 (
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- Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
- A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.
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- A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress ( permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.
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- Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
- A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.
How does an actual "new" user know to go to a specific user and proclaim that they're a new user? [2] The user's approach reminds me a little bit of the banned Bowei Huang or whoever the name was, but it could just be a brief shot. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:26, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
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This is a bush move. Don't do this. Nobody gives a rat's ass about what the official name is. What matters is what people call it. See WP:COMMONNAME. Also see the two recent discussion on the talk page where it was decided not to move the article. Either you are aware of these, in which case you know perfectly well that the move was way out of line, or else you're not aware of them, in which case you shouldn't be moving articles. Herostratus ( talk) 14:52, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- I have fixed the problem. As a side note, if you had not have been an asshole in the tone you took with me, I still would have done so. You can be polite and still get things done. --
Jayron
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- OK, sorry. Herostratus ( talk) 15:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi - I tried to ping you from the "Meaning of life" paragraph at the Teahouse. I think you ping someone if you responded to their comment or edit. I didn't realize you were an administrator so I'm sorry for taking your time on my learning experiment. Eschoryii ( talk) 06:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
NCDOT made it official last month, US 311 is no more south of Winston-Salem. I figured you would want to make the edits to U.S. Route 311 since you have made recent changes to it first. -- WashuOtaku ( talk) 02:05, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- They had received permission to do so from AASHTO. Do we have sources showing they are taking down the signs? If so, we can start fixing the article based on the sources. -- Jayron 32 14:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
You broke the 'hidden' stuff here, and the words "readd if Lagerfeld is promoted to blurb" were displayed on the main page. I've attempted a fix but you might want to take another look in case I've misinterpreted what you were trying to do... Giant Snowman 15:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi hii. Would you care to review or offer comments to this nomination? Apart from one substantial review, it has been relatively stale so far. Dan56 ( talk) 14:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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If that user persists in asking about his favorite subject, vasectomy and its variations, do you recommend just hatting it right away, to be done with it? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:07, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- I don't recommended things, but that's what I plan to do myself.--
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Hello friend from the USA It's Ahab You did a bad move shutting down the discussion on Harriet Owen/Sophie B. Hawkins I am asking where sources are that show that they are different people and instead you guys are being unhelpful, thinking i'm doing something else. You had better have a good reason without links to long-winded policies for shutting down that discussion. thanks. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I suggest you stop calling me names like insane dear friend. It only reinforces my feelings towards you guys in the red white and blue country. Also since you're an admin, I invite you to read why it is that I will not take orders from an American like that, "you will stop it" as opposed to the request "please sto pit". I have no problem discussing things wit hyou, and I have no problems taking suggestions from you or any other users, but you will not give me orders. I can't take orders from Americans because you guys continue to attack my country of origin, and you guys support the Saudis, who have destroyed the area I live in. As for the discussions themselves, Im' being combative because everybody links me to long long policy pages. I can't just skim through them like you sighted people can. What I have to do is use my creen-reader called JAWS to listen to the whole page in hopes of finding somethign that relates to what's going on. Try listening to a monotonous voie read out pollicies, and it's as interesting as watching paint dry. So yes, I will take suggestions from you, I will have discussions from you, but I will never take orders from any American until the USA stops attacking Yemen and the Aden area, that I called home for the first part of my life. The bad people are gone, please, leave Yemen alone. That is why I cannot take any orders form Americans. here's something to remember, أنا صديقك وليس المرؤوس الخاص بك 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC) it means i am your friend, not your subbordinates. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
You live in NH and NC, two U.S> states. and no I don't mean it in a bad way. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 13:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
This may help explain why I don't take orders from Americans baseball bugs. Let's say an arsonist comes around and burns your house down. You ended up finding out the arsonist is Mr. Jones. Then a time later mr. Jones comes and starts bossing you around. are you going to let Mr. Jones order you around? no! Mr. Jones goes to jail and comes out a changed man, wiling to discuss things and what not. But then he comes and starts ordering you around again. Are you going to follow his orders, knowing that he burned down your house? I wouldn't. I hope that helps. Also cut the racism and xenophobia crap, if somebody came and destroyed your home you'd dislike them too. and I said I'd engage with Americans I just won't take orders from them. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 14:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
OK. I think we've had enough here.-- Jayron 32 16:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)}} |
Hello Take a look at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment where some guy with a long number username tries to do this big huge exposé on me. He links some IP addresses with similar numbers to the one I use, and tha thave some similarities to me (one's blind the 23 one that I'm wondering if he messed u pwith that one), but hasn't explained how I match this troll to a T. By the looks of things, the troll is anti-American while I just ask that they not essentially boss me around due to the war in yemen. As for the blind guy at the 23 IP address this perosn mentions, he's Eritrean, and I have no idea where the 199 addresses are from. We geolocate to the same general area, maybe there's a wiki troll in the area I am in, i don't know. I can see we both are bad typists too (not insulting anyone) Can you please weigh in on my talk page and help me move the discussion there rather than on the ref desk? thanks 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 01:38, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
I do want to point out something that I remember from my time in the UK when I edited from some UK IP addresses, I was accused of being a troll, linked to a
guy named Cuddlyable3 (an odd name hence why I remembe rit, sounds cartoony), and they said we had similar behaviors, save th elack of asking Americans not to come after me.
marnetteD and
2600:8800:1880:FC:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 had better have some damn good explanations for claiming i am trolling. I mean it. After the Cuddlyable incident a couple years ago I'm not really willing to take an accusation at face value.
199.101.61.34 (
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Update:
Apparently now I am
Comet Egyot or maybe I'm
Nissae Isen's man or I don't know wh oelse, on my talk page I'm also being linked to
User:Eric Ramus
The one making the accusations there is
this user.
Can all this bullshit stop lease? I'm losing my patience here big time.
First, it was cuddlyable3 when I lived in the UK. I move to Canada, have some time to edit, and now I'm Commet Egypt or Nissea's man or Eric Ramus or eric the red or whatever whatever i'm going mental here!
Seriously, can you please talk to these people because short of me showing them my immigration papers I have no way of proving I moved to Canada in June of 2018, and I don't like the idea of having to go to suc hlengths to prove I am who I am.
This is cuddlyable3 all over again and I will not have it.
Maybe Wikipedia is a toxic environment after all. I sure as hell feel poisoned after all of this crap, it'sa disaster.
I can't speak to whether any of these users used my IP before me, I can only speak to what I know, and I know that I have never had an account, unless somebody used my e-mail address to create one several years ago. I did have my e-mail hacked i nlike 2015 or so, but I don't know if there was an account because when I tried creating an account last year my e-mail was associated with an existing account.
SO I am begging you, help help help! thanks
199.101.61.34 (
talk) 10:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- Just as a test, I created a user called "Baseball Bugs test" and it accepted the same email address that's associated with my normal logon. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Good to know, when I'm back from Africa I may just look into an account if it will get all these troll accusations to stop. 199.101.61.34 ( talk) 14:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
About the ongoing discussion at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attacks,_POV-pushing,_refspamming_and_attempts_to_unilaterally_override_AfD_consensus_by_91.169.1.118_and_probable_socks
XOR'easter is misleading, is distorting facts by giving microscopic and insignificant details, and is giving voluntarily a very biased/erroneous view; a quick read of the article's Talk discussion should be enough to agree. But this is not my point. I wonder why nobody ask why XOR'easter is constantly scratching the surface of the debate (and agreeing with some gentle words he/she was wrong to begin 3RR with me), instead of discussing the root fact : his/her opinion on theories disqualify him/her to contribute on cosmology related articles, because of total lack of NPOV! Detailed examples : 1) why is it strictly impossible to publish a single sentence about the crisis in cosmology whatever the huge number of valid primary and secondary references ? /info/en/?search=Talk:Bimetric_gravity 2) why having failed this simple test, is XOR'easter still allowed to be a WP admin, without even starting a debate about a ban? cf URL provided by XOR'easter himself : /info/en/?search=Talk:Black_hole#Absence_of_central_singularity_according_to_new_scientific_articles
You say the proposed sources are not enough. Please answer these questions : 1) where is written that the present article should be considered with different rules than others WP articles ? 2) to clarify Notability, give us a precise list of the minimum mandatory criteria (qualitatively and quantitatively) to add the proposed sentences in the article, according to yourself (for instance: the authors must received Nobel Price, one of them has to be named Time's magazine Man of the Year). 3) map each criteria with a WP rule (not a guideline) If you fail to provide 3) in a few days, then this would mean your approach is arbitrary. Such approach, a.k.a censorship, has no place in WP. --80.215.195.0 (talk) 09:05, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Have a nice day, -- 91.169.1.118 ( talk) 20:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not an admin, I never claimed to be one, and I have no inclination to become one. The rest of these complaints are at least as misguided. XOR'easter ( talk) 21:09, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi - you just reverted my request for page protection - did I do something wrong? thanks GirthSummit (blether) 17:47, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- No, but I did. It was a stray click on my part. I have fixed the problem. --
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- OK, thanks. Should I resubmit the request for PP? I see that the IP user has already vandalised the page again (and been reverted). GirthSummit (blether) 17:53, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Scratch that, sorry, I see you reinstated my original request. Thanks GirthSummit (blether) 17:54, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
I want to ask you a quick alternate history question. I'm asking it here because the Ref Desks aren't supposed to be for AH questions. Anyway, here goes:
Had there been no Spanish-American War (for instance, as a result of the USS Maine being sunk in US waters rather than in Cuban waters), do you think that Puerto Rico would have remained a part of Spain up to the present-day or do you think that Puerto Rico would have eventually acquired independence from Spain and become an independent country? Futurist110 ( talk) 03:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
- Probably not. Spain had divested itself (or been forced to, because they revolted) of nearly all of the rest of its Western Hemisphere possessions by then anyways. There is, of course, a chance they would have held on a little longer, i.e. many other European powers still had colonies until the middle 20th century, but between 1945-1980, virtually every other European colony worldwide had been granted independence, or had taken it by force. In 2019, naw, I don't see any way that Spain would have held Puerto Rico until now. Remaining European colonies still exist, but they are so rare as to be exceptional, and playing the odds, I don't see it happening. --
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- Small island colonies were more likely to remain a part of the metropole up to the present-day, no? I mean, Britain, France, and the Netherlands still control some small island colonies even right now (New Caledonia, some Caribbean islands, et cetera). For that matter, France also still controls French Guiana (which isn't an island) right now.
- I do agree with you that larger colonies would have very likely eventually acquired their independence. I'm just less sure about smaller colonies--especially (but not only) those that are small islands. I mean, there don't appear to be large independence movements in Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, or Guam right now in real life. Rather, all of these territories appear to prefer continued US rule. Futurist110 ( talk) 21:39, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jayron. I did this: Commons:File:T formation.PNG. OK with you? Leviv ich 04:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
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I did get some sort of edit conflict message there, and apparently I did not handle that correctly, and mistakenly removed stuff that wasn't there when I first asked my question. SteamboatPhilly ( talk) 18:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for keeping it real - yes, I know that we have several regular contributors who ought to be better and ought to be held to higher standards, and who have exhausted the benefit of the doubt that we normally pay to the "newbies"... but, we try, nonetheless. After all, we are trying to educate the world, and the world is a decidedly under-educated place.
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hi. i noticed that you blocked a user called Dean12065 some time ago for nuisance editing. they appear to have opened a new account to evade that block
/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Musicfan245
the subjects and edits are identical in style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:bac5:7800:4956:3352:2797:929c ( talk • contribs)
- You should report this to WP:SPI instead of me. They can run a checkuser utility to see if they are the same person. I don't see enough to link them behaviorally; there are many fans of music in the world. -- Jayron 32 12:36, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
they're editing the exact same articles in the exact same style. what kind of new user edits templates?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:bac5:7800:4956:3352:2797:929c ( talk • contribs)
- You should report this to WP:SPI instead of me. They can run a checkuser utility to see if they are the same person. -- Jayron 32 13:59, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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I've got another quick alternate history question for you, Jayron32: Had there been no Spanish-American War, do you think that there would have eventually been a Spanish-Japanese war over the Philippines? Futurist110 ( talk) 05:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Depends on whether or not the Spanish would keep the Philippines or if they would have fought for their own independence before the 1930s. See Philippine–American War. -- Jayron 32 12:40, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Do you remember Tamara Press? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:17, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jayron, I don't know if you noticed, but one of your closes at ANI was modified by extending its scope (see this edit), then the entire discussion was archived. I restored the discussion to ANI, with your original close scope, but the archived version remains unchanged, looking as if you closed the entire discussion. Paul August ☎ 10:31, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
- You should have left the second closure. It was fine. Dead horses should remain unflogged. --
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- Perhaps so. But I was disturbed by the subjects subsequent edits following your close. Paul August ☎ 11:04, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Re block of Special:Contributions/Jtcampbell_baseball
While I strongly believe there is off-wiki canvasing and/or meatpuppetry involved here, I am a bit skeptical that there is socking (so far). In this case, I do not see how the edit you refer to is a self-admission of socking. Did I miss something? - SummerPhD v2.0 16:51, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
- He uses the first-person pronoun and quotes the edit of another editor account. He said "I correctly stated MGTOW is not on SPLC list" which previously that account had never said. Indeed, before showing up out of the blue to jump into the edit war, that account had not edited since 2014. It suddenly jumps into an edit war and instantly quotes, as a rationale for reverting, the edit summary of a different account, using the phrase "I correctly stated". This one is clearly the same human. -- Jayron 32 16:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for pinging you in something and then changing it. On the off chance you read it before my changes, this was what I actually think makes more sense. I didn't realize that ARBGG hadn't been updated with the clarification about how it should be interpreted... Anyway, sorry for any confusion. TonyBallioni ( talk) 03:01, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
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You said, "Also, "swing feel" is wrong; it is not a dotted rhythm, which is what "swing" means." This is patently false. From here: https://www.howmusicworks.org/510/Meter-and-Rhythm/Straight-and-Swing-Timing "You will sometimes see this type of rhythm notated using dotted eighth-notes and sixteenth-notes, as shown below. This seems convenient, but it is incorrect, and should be avoided. Listen carefully to how this notation actually sounds and you will hear it is not the same as swing timing." Also, the citation from the YT channel Signals Music Studio has many incorrect assumptions. Such as timing a song with a stop-watch. You don't count music using microseconds. You use rhythm. "the time signature is often reported as 5 8, but is closer to 21 32, though it is unlikely Metallica actually intended to count 21 beats" At that tempo there are zero people on earth that can count 21/32 beats. You could at least know something about music before you get authoritative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4B5A:1D00:F07D:3D8B:F0EA:9C30 ( talk • contribs)
Rich, considering you made up that thing about swing feel and dotted rhythms are the same thing. And I did check the source. It was wrong. Dissecting music using a stop-watch leads to the wrong conclusions. Which if you would simply conduct this experiment for yourself by starting with the lyrics "End of passion play..." For each beat of the song, count it. 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 2 3 4 5 Repeat. You would't be taken in by this bogus "proof" you keep citing. But good luck trying to convince dilettantes of anything. Especially ones that refuse to do tests.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4B5A:1D00:F07D:3D8B:F0EA:9C30 ( talk • contribs) Lazy and immature. Great. I'm sure you'll find those flat-earth videos compelling proof too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:4B5A:1D00:F07D:3D8B:F0EA:9C30 ( talk • contribs)
I'm sorry for being cross with you. I didn't appreciate you lying to me. Anyway, the trouble with citing a source is that the sheet music is copyrighted. Making an honest discussion about whats going on in the music, difficult. So, I guess people will just have to have bad info. swing feel and dotted rhythms are the same thing
Sigh. The relationship between "swing" notes is 66/33. The relationship between a dotted eighth note and an eighth note is 75/25. Please graduate from a conservatory. Or at least buy the music theory syllabus and study to grade 8. Yet another citation concerning swing rhythm vs dotted rhythm: http://www2.siba.fi/muste1/index.php?id=99&la=en Just because you "can represent it that way" doesn't mean it "IS that way". "You'll find many sources that will use dotted notation to indicate a swing feel." I'll also find many sources that use the phoneme ax to indicate ask. That doesn't make them correct. |
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- There are dozens of interstates that violate numbering conventions. I'll not insult your intelligence by listing every one. Singling out 99 is not particularly useful. It's also a convention, and not an unbreakable law, and noting every time it happens is beyond trivial and not needed. -- Jayron 32 14:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm
Mjs1991. I noticed that you made an edit concerning content related to a living (or recently deceased) person, but you didn't support your changes with a
citation to a reliable source, so I removed it. Wikipedia has a very strict policy concerning
how we write about living people, so please help us keep such articles accurate and clear. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Adding "Nigerish" in the Demonym, needs to have a references for it
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Hi Jayron32, you added "Nigerish" to the Demonyms, which is the Demographics of Niger. The word "Nigerish" is an offensive racial remark. Unless you can give an appropriate references that Nigerish is part of the demographics, I've removed it -- Mjs1991 ( talk) 05:00, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
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Thank you for your edits to Commonwealth of England (in April 2019}. Unfortunately you did not add any citations to support you additions. I have placed a template at the top of the article requesting citations (see WP:CHALLENGE) You need to supply inline citations to reliable sources to support your new text as the WP:BURDEN is on you to do so.
I appreciate that a lot of the text does not have inline citations to reliable sources, however that is because in the past verification was laxer than it is now. In the end all of the text in the article will need to be supported by inline citations, but we should not be adding new text to articles unless it is supported by inline citations to reliable sources. -- PBS ( talk) 17:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Also during you edit you changed some of the section headers. One of which contained an intext comment:
- == 1659–1660 ==< !-- This section is linked from The Protectorate -- >
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But you did not change the redirect
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Commonwealth (1659–1660)
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So any article using that redirect would no longer link to the appropriate section. The best way to fix that problem is to include a {{
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Some one from the ref desk, said to give the info. Tainted-wingsz ( talk) 15:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm not much with technical matters. I wish I could help, but I'm afraid I would be useless. I am not even sure I understand the nature of your problem. Maybe someone with checkuser permissions could help? --
Jayron
32 21:45, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- Where do I go for that? Err, my short problem was that. I just moved and for the next two months, I don't know if to add the
template? If I'm around for a short time. But the only thing is, the ip number didn't made an account. So I'm not sure what is the next course of action from there?
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- Honestly, as I think about it, I'm not exactly sure you need to do anything. Your IP address is entirely hidden from everyone except those few that HAVE checkuser permissions, of which not even normal admins have access to. Since you are editing from a registered account, basically no one will ever know that you've changed IP addresses or physical locations. What sort of problems are you anticipating or having? If you aren't anticipating or having any problems currently, I can't actually foresee any in the future. The only time
WP:SHARE comes into play is where there is the appearance of impropriety going on; it is just a reminder that checkusers can tell only if two users are sharing an IP address, but that there also needs to be behavioral evidence that there is shenanigans. You can't get dinged merely because you just happen to edit from the same address as someone else. --
Jayron
32 01:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Forgive me, for taking up your time. As I have no other further issues. Tainted-wingsz ( talk) 02:16, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Honestly, as I think about it, I'm not exactly sure you need to do anything. Your IP address is entirely hidden from everyone except those few that HAVE checkuser permissions, of which not even normal admins have access to. Since you are editing from a registered account, basically no one will ever know that you've changed IP addresses or physical locations. What sort of problems are you anticipating or having? If you aren't anticipating or having any problems currently, I can't actually foresee any in the future. The only time
WP:SHARE comes into play is where there is the appearance of impropriety going on; it is just a reminder that checkusers can tell only if two users are sharing an IP address, but that there also needs to be behavioral evidence that there is shenanigans. You can't get dinged merely because you just happen to edit from the same address as someone else. --
Jayron
32 01:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Where do I go for that? Err, my short problem was that. I just moved and for the next two months, I don't know if to add the
template? If I'm around for a short time. But the only thing is, the ip number didn't made an account. So I'm not sure what is the next course of action from there?
Tainted-wingsz (
talk) 22:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Sir, I have posted my request on top of your talk page by mistake and I don't know how to bring it at bottom. Please! see that. Thank you. ( 223.230.145.71 ( talk) 10:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC))
Sir, I am new to Wikipedia and don't know how to add information in an article. I found some important information about Dr. Shamsheer and want it to be added in the article. At first I tried myself but it lead to disruption of the article. That's why I posted the request on his talk page. Since you are an administrator you must be knowing about the procedure to add information in the article. Please! visit Dr. Shamsheer's talk page and add those informations in the article on my behalf. I will never mind that whole credit(of adding new informations)goes to you. This is the link to talk page Talk:Shamsheer Vayalil Thank you. ( 223.230.145.71 ( talk) 18:07, 16 August 2019 (UTC))
- Sorry, I don't have a lot of background in the area. I'm not sure I would be much help evaluating sources or knowing what to write. -- Jayron 32 14:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
- I had provided links of those informations which I asked to add in the paragraph.
Thank you. ( 223.230.161.1 ( talk) 11:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC))
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Hi Jayron, you replied to an editor at the humanities help desk who turned out to be an LTA. I initially redacted just enough to remove the outing, but on reflection I removed their whole comment. Your comment was a direct reply, but it seemed useful so I left it in. Sorry if it makes you look a little like you're pontificating for no reason. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 20:51, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
- In the future, if you need to remove my response, feel free to do so as well. I hold no particular ownership over it, and I don't really care if you need to remove it if I have inadvertently fed a troll I was not supposed to. It's really no big deal to me, and feel free to go ahead and clean up any messes, including removing my comments, where necessary. --
Jayron
32 13:33, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, I assumed you felt that way. In this case I didn't leave your comment alone out of deference to you, but because it seemed useful info for future readers of the thread. But I just made it look like you kind of brought up a subject out of the blue, and that's what I'm saying a (minor) sorry for. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 13:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I just sent you an email. ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:18, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi Jayron32, could you take a look at the ITN nom for the 71st Emmys? Looks like the article has been updated. -- LaserLegs ( talk) 13:42, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
It appears incivility towards other people's work is catching. Having an article I worked hard on being described as a "crap article" and one that is "sub-standard", are just two phrases that makes me think why I bother to write anything at all. I'm apathetic towards the main page and TFA is a waste of time. I care not one bit about your opinion towards my writing abilities as I've gone through your contributions and see nothing special, but your rather obvious display of contempt towards those who bother to write anything decent, is utterly disgraceful. And I'm not entirely surprised to see that you're an admin. You seem to be a pretty sub-standard one. Not nice, is it. Cassianto Talk 16:33, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- I never use the words "crap article". I have no idea what your writing abilities are. I have made no comment on your writing abilities at all. I haven't even looked that closely. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. I would never say something like that. --
Jayron
32 16:50, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Try opening the diff. You described the Hordern article as being "substandard". For what reason? Because I had a date wrong? I had a questionable source (that's since been fixed)? You've written off an entire article as being "substandard" because of one minor quibble? You are being disrespectful. And it's no good gaslighting me; you know exactly what I'm on about.
Cassianto
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- Calm your liver. I wasn't even talking to you, I was telling the people who didn't want to fix the tag to fix it. I was agreeing with you, and arguing against the same people you were arguing against. You really need to read things before you fly off the handle. Get a grip. --
Jayron
32 17:12, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Again, gaslighting me won't do you any favours. Who said you were talking to me? I wrote this article. To quote:
"I'm not exactly sure why, but those of you fighting to ensure that a maintenance tag goes unfixed have not yet proposed a replacement article 2 days out so we can avoid having a substandard article on the main page."
What you are saying is that having an article with a tag on it makes it "substandard". It doesn't, it makes it fair game to be fixed. Cassianto Talk 17:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)- Seriously. Just stop. Your article is fine. It's continuing to be fine. It will continue to be fine. I will clarify again. I was not saying that your writing was a problem. You're writing is perfectly good. I was saying that the people who were arguing against fixing the link. The same people you were arguing against, with the same point you were trying to make, that those people should fix the link rather than editwar to put a tag in. If I was not clear, and gave you the impression that I was trying to besmirch your reputation, let me re-assure you, I didn't even know your name before you started this pointless argument on my talk page. And in case you still want to continue this argument, let me state it, in no uncertain terms: Your writing is very good, and the article is excellent, and well worthy of being posted on the main page. Nothing I said before should give you the impression that it wasn't, and if what I said gives you that impression, let me assure you the blame for that lies entirely on me for not writing clearly. I apologize fully for what I said, it was unfair to you, and I should have read what I wrote and stated my point more clearly. I hope that we now understand each other. --
Jayron
32 17:30, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- I don't care about what you think of me, or indeed if you've ever heard of me before, but I do care very much about people making such dismissive slurs towards FAs which have taken a lot of time and money to write. This does not include editorial critiques. This is not the desired response I was hoping for; but in amongst all the gaslighting and patronising comments here, there's at least an apology, which I'll have to take as a way to end this. Good evening. Cassianto Talk 17:56, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Seriously. Just stop. Your article is fine. It's continuing to be fine. It will continue to be fine. I will clarify again. I was not saying that your writing was a problem. You're writing is perfectly good. I was saying that the people who were arguing against fixing the link. The same people you were arguing against, with the same point you were trying to make, that those people should fix the link rather than editwar to put a tag in. If I was not clear, and gave you the impression that I was trying to besmirch your reputation, let me re-assure you, I didn't even know your name before you started this pointless argument on my talk page. And in case you still want to continue this argument, let me state it, in no uncertain terms: Your writing is very good, and the article is excellent, and well worthy of being posted on the main page. Nothing I said before should give you the impression that it wasn't, and if what I said gives you that impression, let me assure you the blame for that lies entirely on me for not writing clearly. I apologize fully for what I said, it was unfair to you, and I should have read what I wrote and stated my point more clearly. I hope that we now understand each other. --
Jayron
32 17:30, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Again, gaslighting me won't do you any favours. Who said you were talking to me? I wrote this article. To quote:
- Calm your liver. I wasn't even talking to you, I was telling the people who didn't want to fix the tag to fix it. I was agreeing with you, and arguing against the same people you were arguing against. You really need to read things before you fly off the handle. Get a grip. --
Jayron
32 17:12, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
- Try opening the diff. You described the Hordern article as being "substandard". For what reason? Because I had a date wrong? I had a questionable source (that's since been fixed)? You've written off an entire article as being "substandard" because of one minor quibble? You are being disrespectful. And it's no good gaslighting me; you know exactly what I'm on about.
Cassianto
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Several of the concerns have now been dealt with, including a significant prose summary of results with references. However, no one is looking that far down on ITN anymore. Maybe you could take a look at the article and update the nomination, if you find it appropriate? (As I wrote on ITN, I don't think the paring down of the article can happen for at least a couple of months, the emotions are that high -- but your concerns were primarily with the results section.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 19:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
- Isn't it too old to make it? Is it older than the currently oldest blurb? --
Jayron
32 11:40, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- It is now. The election was a week ago yesterday (Oct 21, very tight local results, so preliminary results were not available until Tues Oct 22), but it was less than a week ago when I dropped you this note (granted, the weekend). The country is a member of the G7, so I leave it to your judgement whether it is still worth posting. Of those who opposed, not one person had revisited the article to note its improvement, even well before I finally posted. I don't usually weigh in on political articles of any stripe, but its absence was becoming a bit embarrassing. - Tenebris
66.11.171.90 (
talk) 17:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- It is an embarrassment that you did not clean up the article on time to get it on the main page. In the future, please work harder at improving articles so they can be posted in a timely manner. I would hate for you to go through this kind of embarrassment again. --
Jayron
32 17:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- I am the one who raised it with you, so in that sense the "you" would be accurate. I will not otherwise take ownership (or responsibility, if you prefer that word) for any political page of any stripe. Believe me, I have no personal embarrassment in this regard. I simply chose to speak for this one page this one time, and on the basis of your answer, I now return to my previous habit of not speaking for it or acting upon it at all. I do also notice that you do not address the related issue of the abandoned votes on ITN being treated as fixed, regardless of *their* not checking back on the subject of their criticisms in a timely manner. Your prerogative. I leave it here. - Tenebris
66.11.171.90 (
talk) 23:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- The thing is, nothing gets done on Wikipedia unless people who want it done so it themselves. Getting the Canadian election on the ITN ticker was not a goal of mine. It had to have been a goal of yours since you literally tried to get it posted. That's why it was your responsibility. Because you wanted it done, you should have done it. Asking other random people to do work just do you can make things happen if not what happens here. I'm just another volunteer, equal in all ways to you. I am not more important. As such, taking the extra step of expecting me (or literally any other person in the universe) to do anything to fix a situation you care about is not going to happen. Next time, if you take care of it yourself right away, (and the ONLY thing that means is "make the article in question better") then your goal of getting it posted on the main page will happen. Or don't. Butt if you didn't fix the problem yourself, don't also act as though anyone else should have. Because none of us are getting paid either. So it isn't anyone else's responsibility more than yours. Again, I'm not anyone important. --
Jayron
32 01:28, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- I really did mean to leave it there, but that last post of yours has a few rather significant misconceptions in it.
- (1) Nearly all of the work in question had already been long done -- by others, not me -- by the time I posted here and at ITN. However, not one person who had posted negatively on ITN had bothered to check the article for several days prior to my posting. If anyone had, they would have seen that their opposition points had been addressed -- again, I stress, by others, not me. Since it took you several days even to answer me here, that includes you. You chided me above that I "did not clean up the article on time" -- yet even though others had actually done so, any changes made between Oct 24 and my posting four days later might as well not have been made, as far as ITN is concerned.
- (2) I did not "try to get it posted" at ITN. I did not even vote there. I simply asked you, as someone who had voted negatively at ITN and had clearly not looked again between then and my posting, to take another look. I was late in posting (Oct 27), but I still asked that of you before it was too old to post. My first comment here is dated, so you can readily check this for yourself. I will readily take ownership of those comments, but otherwise you are choosing to lay responsibility on me which is not mine, for no other reason than because I am the one who spoke up.
- And btw (3) you are not equal to me at WP or at ITN. You are an admin, I am not. You do not set sole policy at ITN, but whether you choose to admit it or not, others do follow your lead. If people such as you make a negative vote and then do not bother to return to the article after you vote to see if your points have been addressed, why should others?
- Now that I have corrected the misconceptions in your post, I really will leave it up to you at this point. Based on your previous pattern in this thread, you will continue to answer me as though this were entirely my responsibility as a volunteer at WP. You can say that all you like, but that will not make it true. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 ( talk) 07:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- The thing is, nothing gets done on Wikipedia unless people who want it done so it themselves. Getting the Canadian election on the ITN ticker was not a goal of mine. It had to have been a goal of yours since you literally tried to get it posted. That's why it was your responsibility. Because you wanted it done, you should have done it. Asking other random people to do work just do you can make things happen if not what happens here. I'm just another volunteer, equal in all ways to you. I am not more important. As such, taking the extra step of expecting me (or literally any other person in the universe) to do anything to fix a situation you care about is not going to happen. Next time, if you take care of it yourself right away, (and the ONLY thing that means is "make the article in question better") then your goal of getting it posted on the main page will happen. Or don't. Butt if you didn't fix the problem yourself, don't also act as though anyone else should have. Because none of us are getting paid either. So it isn't anyone else's responsibility more than yours. Again, I'm not anyone important. --
Jayron
32 01:28, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- I am the one who raised it with you, so in that sense the "you" would be accurate. I will not otherwise take ownership (or responsibility, if you prefer that word) for any political page of any stripe. Believe me, I have no personal embarrassment in this regard. I simply chose to speak for this one page this one time, and on the basis of your answer, I now return to my previous habit of not speaking for it or acting upon it at all. I do also notice that you do not address the related issue of the abandoned votes on ITN being treated as fixed, regardless of *their* not checking back on the subject of their criticisms in a timely manner. Your prerogative. I leave it here. - Tenebris
66.11.171.90 (
talk) 23:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
- It is an embarrassment that you did not clean up the article on time to get it on the main page. In the future, please work harder at improving articles so they can be posted in a timely manner. I would hate for you to go through this kind of embarrassment again. --
Jayron
32 17:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
- It is now. The election was a week ago yesterday (Oct 21, very tight local results, so preliminary results were not available until Tues Oct 22), but it was less than a week ago when I dropped you this note (granted, the weekend). The country is a member of the G7, so I leave it to your judgement whether it is still worth posting. Of those who opposed, not one person had revisited the article to note its improvement, even well before I finally posted. I don't usually weigh in on political articles of any stripe, but its absence was becoming a bit embarrassing. - Tenebris
66.11.171.90 (
talk) 17:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)