I have made some changes to the board, transcluded the header, and added archives. My question is, how do we get Essjaybot II to archive it automatically similar to the other noticeboards? Regards, Navou banter / review me 04:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Go for it. Cheers, Durova Charge! 20:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I am interested in training to be a mediator. G e o. Talk to me 02:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thank you for offering! Sure, I'd like very much to be coached by you. · AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 10:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) SSP could use the help. Durova Charge! 00:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
If I fit the mold, I would like to help as a mediator. Regards, Navou banter / review me 01:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I ran across the Community enforced mediation page and would be interested in becoming a mediator in training. I've done a small bit of work at WP:3O and attempted to take a case for Mediation cabal, but the person who brought the case never got back to me. I think this forum has a lot of potential to improve on both of those processes (though not necessarily supplant them entirely). Off-wiki, I have received formal consensus training and attempted to start a mediation group at my undergraduate college (I went to Haverford College and was actually co-Chair of the Honor Council there). I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have for me - you can reply either here or on my talk page. Thanks in advance, JaimeLesMaths ( talk! edits) 06:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Of course I'm quite willing to discuss the underlying policy issues. However, the point is that in the past few weeks, Jeff has filed two mediation requests (both rejected) that boil down to "has Radiant stopped beating his wife", and is trying hard to depict me as a tendentious editor, disruptive stalker, and "someone who has never made any positive contributions", on several public forums including the admin noticeboard. We really can't be having a decent conversation until he stops making such attacks and accusations, and is willing to discuss in a civil manner instead. Unfortunately, he has flat out refused to stop making personal attacks until I make him "concessions". So like I said before, if someone (e.g. you) can get him to retract those accusations and attacks, and to stop making them in the future, I'd be happy do discuss our disagreements. >Radiant< 13:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
May I suggest some structure to this? A community enforced mediation would be a chance to say I won't if you won't and demonstrate you can both walk that walk. You'd both talk things over and figure out how to move forward. Would you be willing to try that? Durova Charge! 22:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm really happy to hear that you are interested in participating. Please send me an email when you can! It is sordonez@wikimedia.org. We definitely need more volunteers to deal with press.
sandy --~~~~
Hello Durova, you offered to look into this violation of CIV/NPA. I think the whole thing was forgotten when WP:PAIN was discontinued, and the matter remains unresolved. Would you still be interested in picking up where we left off when Ghirlandajo returns? Appleseed ( Talk) 15:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
What is a major problem is certain users frivolously invoking WP:CIV and WP:NPA simply to get an upper hand in the content disputes by calling for their opponent's blocks or simply deflecting the discussion from the issues at hand. This, for instance, is a recent example of such trick. Unwarranted accusations of personal attacks are outright offensive but ther repeatedly recur. What was done to several editors multiple times has become more difficult to repeat as WP:RFI and WP:PAIN has been deleted specifically due to the instances of their frivolous use. I hope the community will make it clear that resorting to wikilawyering to win the content disputes is frown upon. WP:CIV and WP:NPA being written and aimed to address the instances of the real abuse are misused all too often to get an unethical advantage against the content opponents by submitting misleading and frivolous complaints. -- Irpen 05:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your thoughts on this issue. I don't know what that user "Langara College"'s problem is. I have a feeling that is a sock puppet name for another user that has been harassing me. These people have been harassing and trying to gang up on me for some time now. I appreciate that you see that I am a serious editor and that my contributions are worthy ones. Thanks again for your thoughts. Sorry that these people are wasting your time. - Donteatyellowsnow 23:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Durova,
I would like to ask you the favour of being an admin coach for me. I have been active as an editor since July 2006, with some lulls in activity last fall. I've been working mainly on bringing one page, Royal Canadian Air Cadets towards featured article status, but have also participated in the editing and cleanup of some other articles. I like to contribute to discussions on articles for deletion and have been recently contributing to discussion regarding notability guidelines. I welcome new users when ever I notice they have made an edit to an article I've been working on. I also have recently started warning users/anons for vandalism, spam, etc. I would like to eventually become an administrator because there seems to be many a backlog that I could help out with. I don't know what you will expect from me in this relationship, but I have generally had time lately to make about 10 edits per day. Some direction in rounding out my experience at Wikipedia would be appreciated as well as any comments about my current contributions, or whatever has seemed to be helpful in the past. One more thing that interests me is how to help out in a situation like was brought up at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#11-February-2007 regarding a suspected sock-puppet. Sancho McCann 07:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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I thought you would like to see this Talk:Waldorf Education#Swedish Study and User talk:Fergie#Swedish Study, hopefully it will not get out of hand and things will settle down back into consensus reaching practise. Cheers Lethaniol 20:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't have done it without you! NorCalHistory 23:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not at all surprised to read your comment at Talk:Stephanie Adams that "playmates" are automatically accorded wikipediaworthiness. After all, any and every other mainstream product of the US entertainment industry seems to be. (Ditto for that part of the Japanese entertainment industry that has penetrated the US consciousness.) But you've got me thinking: Since I have zero interest in Adams, what the hell am I doing over there anyway? I really don't remember how I arrived there in the first place, but I probably read on WP:ANI or similar of some fight going on there and went over to help remove the silliness. You're most welcome to take over from me. And if, as I guess, you're as little interested as I am, perhaps you could invite the porn-loving admin Anonemouse (or similar name). -- Hoary 23:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Then we're pretty much equal, the difference being that when I was first drawn to that article the mud there stuck on my boots. Consider yourself lucky that it hasn't stuck on yours too. -- Hoary 00:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, agreed. A minor point above: I've now remembered the precise name of the most excellent User:AnonEMouse. Oh, and if you're a <span class="cliche">glutton for punishment<span> and care to see me in truly disputatious (and unpopular) mode, peruse Talk:African American Vernacular English. -- Hoary 01:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC) PS and if you're looking for a real mess, how about this? -- Hoary 06:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Wanted to thank you for having enough conviction in me, by making me your first nomination for adminship. Wikipedia just got a whole lot bigger, with a lot more buttons. Thanks again, won't let you down!-- Hu12 15:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I thought you'd be able to give me a little advice on a situation I'm in whilst mediating a MedCab case, seeing as it's part of the training, as it were. Whilst mediating Surrealism, it's become apparent that one of the parties that I have mediated with has been operating a veritable army of sockpuppets in order to get one link (which was widely regarded as spam) onto the article. Whilst I tried my best to be objective the whole way through, this sockpuppetry threatens most of wikipedia policies and has been damaging what is otherwise a very comprehensive article. I filled a SSP, but stopped short of RfCU because it was blatantly obvious that it wa sthe same user (text and writing paterns etc.). Neither that nor an AN/I really attracted any response. Now I'm coming to the conclusion that the only way to take this forward is to the ArbCom, because one user more than anyone is pushing this link and is completely violating all conduct policies I can think of. The article has been the source of some heated debate (both this user and another have had a 3RR block because of it) but there is a definite need for some formal arbitration. The sheer number of sockpuppets stops any real mediation. The question I have is, as a neutral mediator, am I allowed to give advice to one party as to how to file a RfARB or does this present a conflict of interest? Ultimately, my main concern is the damage this is doing to the article and wikipedia in general, and this is where I have a dilemma. I've given links below to relevant info in case you wanted to get more idea of what I was on about. Thanks.
MedCab case page
Surrealism Talk Page (discussion is nearer bottom)
SSP Case Page
AN/I posting
Jem 21:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Please see here for ongoing problems with sloat: User_talk:JoshuaZ#edit_warring_on_memri_page. Frankly, I don't see any other option but arbcom at this point. Do you have any other suggestions? Otherwise, I guess I'll have to ask for your assistance in putting in the request. <<-armon->> 23:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
How dare you make such a critical comment at my idea about the wiki-cartoon. It is not to make a joke out of Jimbo Wales or troll him; but a professional idea. With a professional plot, and I'm not a vandal but a professional editor, what a disgraceful comment. It's plot is about a artifact of knowledge known as the wiki-oracle, which contains all knowledge to the world, and Jimbo and his friends control it to create a perfect world. But when a group of vandals and their armies of sockpuppets appear and steal it. They imply to create a world of patent nonsense with it, and its an ongoing thing. I did not mean any offence by this. Retiono Virginian 13:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Note: Just because it features the vandals does not mean it promotes it. But rather shows you how it happens and why people do it, and teaches people not to spoil the work of others. Cartoons have badguys...remember. Retiono Virginian 13:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated a category you created, Category:Eguor admins, for renaming. You can contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion. Thanks, VegaDark 05:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested to know that User:Ghirlandajo is active again (RfAr was dismissed w/o prejudice). - Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 04:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. Irpen, please stop accusing me of imagined crusades against you and your friends. Like it or not, some people here try to enforce WP:CIV, to much crying among certain trolls (and misguided users, which I find rather sad - you should concentrate your efforts on fighting real dangers instead of imagined ones). PS. Durova, you may find this page and discussion interesting for some brainstorming about how to deal with WP:CIV issues.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 05:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You must admit that I am equally critical to your opponents when they try to do this to you [10] [11] and Halibutt. [12] -- Irpen 05:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Referee whistle. Time out. Durova Charge! 18:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova, thanks for semi-protecting Antje Duvekot back in November; that was much needed. I think it might be time to try lifting it for a while, though; perhaps whoever had the personal grudge has moved on. -- Allen 16:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Re: [13] and other recent edits of that user. As you can see he didn't seem to have learned anything from his block. Would you recommend ANI, CB or what other place where I can seek help in reigning this increasing torrent of incivility?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 22:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
In response to the original question, I was the first editor to welcome Ghirla back on his user talk page. When I did so I reminded him that the door remains open for mediation.
To Irpen, the appropriate way for you to express any suggestions regarding Piotrus's comments at my user talk page would have been via private e-mail directly to me. Had you chosen that option I would have asked your reasons and read any diffs you provided. Since this is my user space and you are not a neutral party, any advice of that nature would have been better if I had delivered it myself. What you have done instead is way over the WP:POINT and WP:CIVIL line. You are interfering with a mediation which no one has asked you to join. Cease and desist. Durova Charge! 18:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a request (since if not addressed such claims have a habit of returning like a boomerang): could you answer this question - do you consider yourself 'duped' by me?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Durova! Knowing your good skills in various areas, I would like to ask you - could you additionally review this 3RR case and state was there 3RR violation or not. Thanks! M.K. 18:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
There is no need to do anything at this point. Piotrus promised not to edit the article for 24 hours. Blocking him would not accomplish anything in the conflict wrt this article and will only add an needless entry to his block log. Time to move on. -- Irpen 19:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova, today I spent a long time looking through the history of Talk:Surrealism trying to figure out what's going on with User:Classicjupiter2. I'm posting at your talk page rather than WP:CN because I'm not sure everything in this post is appropriate for the noticeboard. I think the allegation that Classicjupiter2 has been a problem at the article for two years is credible; he himself said that "there has been a three year plus edit war in regards to any mention of the 'Chicago Surrealist Group'." This seems to start at least as early as Summer 2004: see Talk:Surrealism/Archive_02#Keith_Wigdor_and_Daniel_C._Boyer, for instance. The dispute spreads to a bunch of Surrealism-related articles, including Chicago Surrealist Group. As far as I can tell, there's a real-life dispute between different artists/groups about who's really a Surrealist, and it shows up in a range of WP articles as edit wars over content & the inclusion of external links. For more on the history of this dispute, see User:Akhilleus/Classicjupiter2.
The thing is, the editors he's been fighting with most recently, TextureSavant ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and TheEvilPanda ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) are basically single-purpose accounts devoted to this conflict. EvilPanda has 2 contributions in June 2006; otherwise, everything comes after 19 Jan 2007 (and stops on 12 Feb). TextureSavant was created on 22 Jan 2007, and immediately seemed familiar with the dispute at Surrealism and the concept of sockpuppetry. Sockpuppetry also seems to be a longstanding problem on this article, going back to at least July 2006 (there's some real fun stuff in Talk:Surrealism/Archive 07), and I don't think it can all be blamed on Classicjupiter2. I'm having a very difficult time figuring out what's going on.
I'm not sure how to address the problem. Aside from the fact that TextureSavant didn't make a convincing case for banning Classicjupiter2, I'd have a hard time supporting a ban proposal made by an SPA. As for the article, the talk page is semi-protected and the article is fully protected, so maybe mediation can simply proceed without new socks popping up. --Akhilleus ( talk) 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Durova, I think it's fair to say that this is an off-wiki dispute that now includes WP; I haven't done in-depth investigation, but there's stuff on forums & usenet that relate to what's going on, and the parties have seemed familiar with each other from the start of the dispute. I'm not sure whether I see a possibility for compromise or not; there's been editwarring since 2004 on the same set of issues, but no one ever tried to go through DR, except for some user conduct RfCs that look more like extensions of edit warring than attempts to solve a problem. At this point I'm weakly inclined to see how further mediation might work; the option of going to arbitration would still be open, obviously. Classicjupiter2 seems to be editing entirely through sockpuppets and IPs right now, so the whole thing might be moot anyway. --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Durova, at this point I don't think ArbCom is necessary--page protection has a way of calming things down. If problems resume after page protection is lifted, I might recommend going to arbitration, but I don't see any urgency right now. Anyway, I'm sorry that TextureSavant presented a non-case to the CN page; I advised him to look at other cases as a model, but I should have given him more explicit guidance, it looks like--it's not even clear that he understands how to create a diff, let alone what's required to present a compelling case of editing abuse.
By the way, for evidence that this the on-wiki problems reflect a real world dispute, you might want to look at [14], [15], [16], [17]. I'm pretty confident the IP edits in those diffs are by the user later known as Classicjupiter2, but another series of diffs would be necessary to establish that... --Akhilleus ( talk) 02:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I tried to introduce again the poster for the 2002 presidential election of which you talked about on Talk:National Front (France), but it seems to have been deleted. I wonder why? If it was a copyright problem, and you were the uploader of it, I call your attention to Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/All#Promotional_material, where you can find a "political poster" fair-use template, which will block any attempt to delete it under pseudo-copyright concerns. Cheers! PS: by the way, since I'm at it, you might be intereted in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Macrohistorical_battles_tied_to_the_existence_of_European_civilisation. Tazmaniacs 22:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
G'day Durova. You might remember me from that brouhaha with User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles and his army of doppelgangers late last year. I just thought I'd mention that the various warnings etc that you gave him over that affair have been removed, per his rationale that they're archived in the history. He did so back in early January, so I don't know whether it's too late to do anything about it - or even whether it matters overmuch, since his contribs show that he's reformed these days anyway (no AfD participation at all) - but since you were the "Johnny on the Spot" when this first happened, I just thought I'd let you know. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
You're probably reading it already, but with respect to your "essay sweep" comment, see the admin board. >Radiant< 12:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova,
When you responded some time ago to Randroide’s “request for clarification” related to this article, you stated that you thought it was appropriate for us to go to arbitration on the dispute over this page. Randroide has just blocked, after two weeks of discussion, my latest attempt to take the issue to mediation; saying that he now wants an RFC. At the same time he is using your reply as justification to embark on significant edits to one of the articles under dispute. Can you please ask him to refrain from making the dispute worse than it already is? I have now attempted, without success, to launch one RFC process, and two requests for mediation. Given these circumstances, my question is whether it would be appropriate now for me to make a direct request for arbitration to try and achieve a resolution of such a long running dispute. What do you think? Southofwatford 14:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I see you are having hardware problems but does your email work? If it does and you don't mind, I would like you to email me please. I am new and take a lot of medications (sick right now with a major flare going on, so my being a newbie may take a bit longer than the normal editor but I have gotten a lot of support and help from multiple editors (you can see this on my talk page). I am trying to learn by lurking mostly at different locations. I am finding a lot of disturbing things that makes me wonder if I should be here at all. Anyways, if you would be kind enough to email me I would appreciate it. -- Crohnie 21:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Sure as I had it sent to me too. It is the address on the left side that says "email this user" right? -- Crohnie 22:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I received your email and responded. Just wanted to let you know in case the same problem occurred. Thanks so much for taking the time for me. I have enjoyed reading your posts. -- Crohnie 20:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Per this admin's request, I am notifying you of WP:RFAR action.
Even though I am not seeking the action against you, nonethheless, you are a party, and rules require that I notify you. Observe:
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#GordonWatts
-- GordonWatts 08:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 21:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any way we can chat privately?
I have made some changes to the board, transcluded the header, and added archives. My question is, how do we get Essjaybot II to archive it automatically similar to the other noticeboards? Regards, Navou banter / review me 04:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) Go for it. Cheers, Durova Charge! 20:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I am interested in training to be a mediator. G e o. Talk to me 02:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thank you for offering! Sure, I'd like very much to be coached by you. · AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 10:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
(outdent) SSP could use the help. Durova Charge! 00:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
If I fit the mold, I would like to help as a mediator. Regards, Navou banter / review me 01:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I ran across the Community enforced mediation page and would be interested in becoming a mediator in training. I've done a small bit of work at WP:3O and attempted to take a case for Mediation cabal, but the person who brought the case never got back to me. I think this forum has a lot of potential to improve on both of those processes (though not necessarily supplant them entirely). Off-wiki, I have received formal consensus training and attempted to start a mediation group at my undergraduate college (I went to Haverford College and was actually co-Chair of the Honor Council there). I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have for me - you can reply either here or on my talk page. Thanks in advance, JaimeLesMaths ( talk! edits) 06:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Of course I'm quite willing to discuss the underlying policy issues. However, the point is that in the past few weeks, Jeff has filed two mediation requests (both rejected) that boil down to "has Radiant stopped beating his wife", and is trying hard to depict me as a tendentious editor, disruptive stalker, and "someone who has never made any positive contributions", on several public forums including the admin noticeboard. We really can't be having a decent conversation until he stops making such attacks and accusations, and is willing to discuss in a civil manner instead. Unfortunately, he has flat out refused to stop making personal attacks until I make him "concessions". So like I said before, if someone (e.g. you) can get him to retract those accusations and attacks, and to stop making them in the future, I'd be happy do discuss our disagreements. >Radiant< 13:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
May I suggest some structure to this? A community enforced mediation would be a chance to say I won't if you won't and demonstrate you can both walk that walk. You'd both talk things over and figure out how to move forward. Would you be willing to try that? Durova Charge! 22:05, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm really happy to hear that you are interested in participating. Please send me an email when you can! It is sordonez@wikimedia.org. We definitely need more volunteers to deal with press.
sandy --~~~~
Hello Durova, you offered to look into this violation of CIV/NPA. I think the whole thing was forgotten when WP:PAIN was discontinued, and the matter remains unresolved. Would you still be interested in picking up where we left off when Ghirlandajo returns? Appleseed ( Talk) 15:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
What is a major problem is certain users frivolously invoking WP:CIV and WP:NPA simply to get an upper hand in the content disputes by calling for their opponent's blocks or simply deflecting the discussion from the issues at hand. This, for instance, is a recent example of such trick. Unwarranted accusations of personal attacks are outright offensive but ther repeatedly recur. What was done to several editors multiple times has become more difficult to repeat as WP:RFI and WP:PAIN has been deleted specifically due to the instances of their frivolous use. I hope the community will make it clear that resorting to wikilawyering to win the content disputes is frown upon. WP:CIV and WP:NPA being written and aimed to address the instances of the real abuse are misused all too often to get an unethical advantage against the content opponents by submitting misleading and frivolous complaints. -- Irpen 05:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your thoughts on this issue. I don't know what that user "Langara College"'s problem is. I have a feeling that is a sock puppet name for another user that has been harassing me. These people have been harassing and trying to gang up on me for some time now. I appreciate that you see that I am a serious editor and that my contributions are worthy ones. Thanks again for your thoughts. Sorry that these people are wasting your time. - Donteatyellowsnow 23:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Durova,
I would like to ask you the favour of being an admin coach for me. I have been active as an editor since July 2006, with some lulls in activity last fall. I've been working mainly on bringing one page, Royal Canadian Air Cadets towards featured article status, but have also participated in the editing and cleanup of some other articles. I like to contribute to discussions on articles for deletion and have been recently contributing to discussion regarding notability guidelines. I welcome new users when ever I notice they have made an edit to an article I've been working on. I also have recently started warning users/anons for vandalism, spam, etc. I would like to eventually become an administrator because there seems to be many a backlog that I could help out with. I don't know what you will expect from me in this relationship, but I have generally had time lately to make about 10 edits per day. Some direction in rounding out my experience at Wikipedia would be appreciated as well as any comments about my current contributions, or whatever has seemed to be helpful in the past. One more thing that interests me is how to help out in a situation like was brought up at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#11-February-2007 regarding a suspected sock-puppet. Sancho McCann 07:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic/Workshop.
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I thought you would like to see this Talk:Waldorf Education#Swedish Study and User talk:Fergie#Swedish Study, hopefully it will not get out of hand and things will settle down back into consensus reaching practise. Cheers Lethaniol 20:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Couldn't have done it without you! NorCalHistory 23:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not at all surprised to read your comment at Talk:Stephanie Adams that "playmates" are automatically accorded wikipediaworthiness. After all, any and every other mainstream product of the US entertainment industry seems to be. (Ditto for that part of the Japanese entertainment industry that has penetrated the US consciousness.) But you've got me thinking: Since I have zero interest in Adams, what the hell am I doing over there anyway? I really don't remember how I arrived there in the first place, but I probably read on WP:ANI or similar of some fight going on there and went over to help remove the silliness. You're most welcome to take over from me. And if, as I guess, you're as little interested as I am, perhaps you could invite the porn-loving admin Anonemouse (or similar name). -- Hoary 23:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Then we're pretty much equal, the difference being that when I was first drawn to that article the mud there stuck on my boots. Consider yourself lucky that it hasn't stuck on yours too. -- Hoary 00:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, agreed. A minor point above: I've now remembered the precise name of the most excellent User:AnonEMouse. Oh, and if you're a <span class="cliche">glutton for punishment<span> and care to see me in truly disputatious (and unpopular) mode, peruse Talk:African American Vernacular English. -- Hoary 01:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC) PS and if you're looking for a real mess, how about this? -- Hoary 06:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Wanted to thank you for having enough conviction in me, by making me your first nomination for adminship. Wikipedia just got a whole lot bigger, with a lot more buttons. Thanks again, won't let you down!-- Hu12 15:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I thought you'd be able to give me a little advice on a situation I'm in whilst mediating a MedCab case, seeing as it's part of the training, as it were. Whilst mediating Surrealism, it's become apparent that one of the parties that I have mediated with has been operating a veritable army of sockpuppets in order to get one link (which was widely regarded as spam) onto the article. Whilst I tried my best to be objective the whole way through, this sockpuppetry threatens most of wikipedia policies and has been damaging what is otherwise a very comprehensive article. I filled a SSP, but stopped short of RfCU because it was blatantly obvious that it wa sthe same user (text and writing paterns etc.). Neither that nor an AN/I really attracted any response. Now I'm coming to the conclusion that the only way to take this forward is to the ArbCom, because one user more than anyone is pushing this link and is completely violating all conduct policies I can think of. The article has been the source of some heated debate (both this user and another have had a 3RR block because of it) but there is a definite need for some formal arbitration. The sheer number of sockpuppets stops any real mediation. The question I have is, as a neutral mediator, am I allowed to give advice to one party as to how to file a RfARB or does this present a conflict of interest? Ultimately, my main concern is the damage this is doing to the article and wikipedia in general, and this is where I have a dilemma. I've given links below to relevant info in case you wanted to get more idea of what I was on about. Thanks.
MedCab case page
Surrealism Talk Page (discussion is nearer bottom)
SSP Case Page
AN/I posting
Jem 21:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Please see here for ongoing problems with sloat: User_talk:JoshuaZ#edit_warring_on_memri_page. Frankly, I don't see any other option but arbcom at this point. Do you have any other suggestions? Otherwise, I guess I'll have to ask for your assistance in putting in the request. <<-armon->> 23:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
How dare you make such a critical comment at my idea about the wiki-cartoon. It is not to make a joke out of Jimbo Wales or troll him; but a professional idea. With a professional plot, and I'm not a vandal but a professional editor, what a disgraceful comment. It's plot is about a artifact of knowledge known as the wiki-oracle, which contains all knowledge to the world, and Jimbo and his friends control it to create a perfect world. But when a group of vandals and their armies of sockpuppets appear and steal it. They imply to create a world of patent nonsense with it, and its an ongoing thing. I did not mean any offence by this. Retiono Virginian 13:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Note: Just because it features the vandals does not mean it promotes it. But rather shows you how it happens and why people do it, and teaches people not to spoil the work of others. Cartoons have badguys...remember. Retiono Virginian 13:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated a category you created, Category:Eguor admins, for renaming. You can contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion. Thanks, VegaDark 05:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
You might be interested to know that User:Ghirlandajo is active again (RfAr was dismissed w/o prejudice). - Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 04:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Sigh. Irpen, please stop accusing me of imagined crusades against you and your friends. Like it or not, some people here try to enforce WP:CIV, to much crying among certain trolls (and misguided users, which I find rather sad - you should concentrate your efforts on fighting real dangers instead of imagined ones). PS. Durova, you may find this page and discussion interesting for some brainstorming about how to deal with WP:CIV issues.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 05:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You must admit that I am equally critical to your opponents when they try to do this to you [10] [11] and Halibutt. [12] -- Irpen 05:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Referee whistle. Time out. Durova Charge! 18:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova, thanks for semi-protecting Antje Duvekot back in November; that was much needed. I think it might be time to try lifting it for a while, though; perhaps whoever had the personal grudge has moved on. -- Allen 16:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Re: [13] and other recent edits of that user. As you can see he didn't seem to have learned anything from his block. Would you recommend ANI, CB or what other place where I can seek help in reigning this increasing torrent of incivility?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 22:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
In response to the original question, I was the first editor to welcome Ghirla back on his user talk page. When I did so I reminded him that the door remains open for mediation.
To Irpen, the appropriate way for you to express any suggestions regarding Piotrus's comments at my user talk page would have been via private e-mail directly to me. Had you chosen that option I would have asked your reasons and read any diffs you provided. Since this is my user space and you are not a neutral party, any advice of that nature would have been better if I had delivered it myself. What you have done instead is way over the WP:POINT and WP:CIVIL line. You are interfering with a mediation which no one has asked you to join. Cease and desist. Durova Charge! 18:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a request (since if not addressed such claims have a habit of returning like a boomerang): could you answer this question - do you consider yourself 'duped' by me?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Durova! Knowing your good skills in various areas, I would like to ask you - could you additionally review this 3RR case and state was there 3RR violation or not. Thanks! M.K. 18:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
There is no need to do anything at this point. Piotrus promised not to edit the article for 24 hours. Blocking him would not accomplish anything in the conflict wrt this article and will only add an needless entry to his block log. Time to move on. -- Irpen 19:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova, today I spent a long time looking through the history of Talk:Surrealism trying to figure out what's going on with User:Classicjupiter2. I'm posting at your talk page rather than WP:CN because I'm not sure everything in this post is appropriate for the noticeboard. I think the allegation that Classicjupiter2 has been a problem at the article for two years is credible; he himself said that "there has been a three year plus edit war in regards to any mention of the 'Chicago Surrealist Group'." This seems to start at least as early as Summer 2004: see Talk:Surrealism/Archive_02#Keith_Wigdor_and_Daniel_C._Boyer, for instance. The dispute spreads to a bunch of Surrealism-related articles, including Chicago Surrealist Group. As far as I can tell, there's a real-life dispute between different artists/groups about who's really a Surrealist, and it shows up in a range of WP articles as edit wars over content & the inclusion of external links. For more on the history of this dispute, see User:Akhilleus/Classicjupiter2.
The thing is, the editors he's been fighting with most recently, TextureSavant ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) and TheEvilPanda ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) are basically single-purpose accounts devoted to this conflict. EvilPanda has 2 contributions in June 2006; otherwise, everything comes after 19 Jan 2007 (and stops on 12 Feb). TextureSavant was created on 22 Jan 2007, and immediately seemed familiar with the dispute at Surrealism and the concept of sockpuppetry. Sockpuppetry also seems to be a longstanding problem on this article, going back to at least July 2006 (there's some real fun stuff in Talk:Surrealism/Archive 07), and I don't think it can all be blamed on Classicjupiter2. I'm having a very difficult time figuring out what's going on.
I'm not sure how to address the problem. Aside from the fact that TextureSavant didn't make a convincing case for banning Classicjupiter2, I'd have a hard time supporting a ban proposal made by an SPA. As for the article, the talk page is semi-protected and the article is fully protected, so maybe mediation can simply proceed without new socks popping up. --Akhilleus ( talk) 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Durova, I think it's fair to say that this is an off-wiki dispute that now includes WP; I haven't done in-depth investigation, but there's stuff on forums & usenet that relate to what's going on, and the parties have seemed familiar with each other from the start of the dispute. I'm not sure whether I see a possibility for compromise or not; there's been editwarring since 2004 on the same set of issues, but no one ever tried to go through DR, except for some user conduct RfCs that look more like extensions of edit warring than attempts to solve a problem. At this point I'm weakly inclined to see how further mediation might work; the option of going to arbitration would still be open, obviously. Classicjupiter2 seems to be editing entirely through sockpuppets and IPs right now, so the whole thing might be moot anyway. --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Durova, at this point I don't think ArbCom is necessary--page protection has a way of calming things down. If problems resume after page protection is lifted, I might recommend going to arbitration, but I don't see any urgency right now. Anyway, I'm sorry that TextureSavant presented a non-case to the CN page; I advised him to look at other cases as a model, but I should have given him more explicit guidance, it looks like--it's not even clear that he understands how to create a diff, let alone what's required to present a compelling case of editing abuse.
By the way, for evidence that this the on-wiki problems reflect a real world dispute, you might want to look at [14], [15], [16], [17]. I'm pretty confident the IP edits in those diffs are by the user later known as Classicjupiter2, but another series of diffs would be necessary to establish that... --Akhilleus ( talk) 02:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I tried to introduce again the poster for the 2002 presidential election of which you talked about on Talk:National Front (France), but it seems to have been deleted. I wonder why? If it was a copyright problem, and you were the uploader of it, I call your attention to Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/All#Promotional_material, where you can find a "political poster" fair-use template, which will block any attempt to delete it under pseudo-copyright concerns. Cheers! PS: by the way, since I'm at it, you might be intereted in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Macrohistorical_battles_tied_to_the_existence_of_European_civilisation. Tazmaniacs 22:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
G'day Durova. You might remember me from that brouhaha with User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles and his army of doppelgangers late last year. I just thought I'd mention that the various warnings etc that you gave him over that affair have been removed, per his rationale that they're archived in the history. He did so back in early January, so I don't know whether it's too late to do anything about it - or even whether it matters overmuch, since his contribs show that he's reformed these days anyway (no AfD participation at all) - but since you were the "Johnny on the Spot" when this first happened, I just thought I'd let you know. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
You're probably reading it already, but with respect to your "essay sweep" comment, see the admin board. >Radiant< 12:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Durova,
When you responded some time ago to Randroide’s “request for clarification” related to this article, you stated that you thought it was appropriate for us to go to arbitration on the dispute over this page. Randroide has just blocked, after two weeks of discussion, my latest attempt to take the issue to mediation; saying that he now wants an RFC. At the same time he is using your reply as justification to embark on significant edits to one of the articles under dispute. Can you please ask him to refrain from making the dispute worse than it already is? I have now attempted, without success, to launch one RFC process, and two requests for mediation. Given these circumstances, my question is whether it would be appropriate now for me to make a direct request for arbitration to try and achieve a resolution of such a long running dispute. What do you think? Southofwatford 14:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I see you are having hardware problems but does your email work? If it does and you don't mind, I would like you to email me please. I am new and take a lot of medications (sick right now with a major flare going on, so my being a newbie may take a bit longer than the normal editor but I have gotten a lot of support and help from multiple editors (you can see this on my talk page). I am trying to learn by lurking mostly at different locations. I am finding a lot of disturbing things that makes me wonder if I should be here at all. Anyways, if you would be kind enough to email me I would appreciate it. -- Crohnie 21:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Sure as I had it sent to me too. It is the address on the left side that says "email this user" right? -- Crohnie 22:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I received your email and responded. Just wanted to let you know in case the same problem occurred. Thanks so much for taking the time for me. I have enjoyed reading your posts. -- Crohnie 20:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Per this admin's request, I am notifying you of WP:RFAR action.
Even though I am not seeking the action against you, nonethheless, you are a party, and rules require that I notify you. Observe:
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#GordonWatts
-- GordonWatts 08:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 21:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any way we can chat privately?