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Arbitration

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Hi, I'm unsure how to report this but this IP user is making the same edits to Powhatan as blocked accounts User:Powhatan Nation and User:The Powhatan Nation. Yuchitown ( talk) 19:19, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

On it now. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

WP:LOUTSOCK. Blocked. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:57, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! A surprisingly persistent individual. Yuchitown ( talk) 04:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

Well, now I understand why you've treated me so poorly. But is that really how you want to play it at ArbCom? That I waited 8 years before even touching any of that sock farm's articles (you did notice that before you posted, right?), and then when I did start editing them I removed all the poorly-sourced material that the sock farm had added, and somehow that makes me a banned user? And that I waited 17 years to do the same to Celtic reconstructionism, which I only became aware of during the move discussion (which I chose not to respond to), and which wasn't even on my radar for COI until it got brought up by other editors? Perhaps you should look closer at my edits to those articles. Sure, I was aware of the sock farm; it's part of my process to read the talk pages. But given that my behavior with respect to those articles is the opposite of said farm? That's gonna be a hard sell, I think. Skyerise ( talk) 22:19, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

P.S. Before you ask, because I hate seeing good editors shoot themselves in the foot. Skyerise ( talk) 22:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, CorbieVreccan. You are currently exceeding the prescribed word limit at WP:A/R/C. Please do not add or subtract any more words from your statement without formal permission from the Arbitration Committee or clerks ahead of time. You can request a word limit extension by emailing the clerk team.
For the Arbitration Committee, – MJL  ‐Talk‐ ^☖ 01:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Long-term meatpuppetry by two admins. Thank you. -- Tamzin^{[ cetacean needed} (she|they|xe) 22:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#CorbieVreccan, Mark Ironie, and Tamzin and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. As threaded discussion is not permitted on most arbitration pages, please ensure that you make all comments in your own section only. Additionally, the guide to arbitration and the Arbitration Committee's procedures may be of use.

Thanks, -- Tamzin^{[ cetacean needed} (she|they|xe) 19:05, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry that this has arisen, Corbie. This is absurd, and I hope it is equitably and quickly resolved.I've been slammed IRL so I apologize for not being of any assistance. Yuchitown ( talk) 15:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown

Corbie, you know you have my support. You are so important to the IPNA project and Indigenous topics on WP. I'm so sorry things that shouldn't have come up have been brought back up and it has potentially placed you or your loved ones in danger. I know that feeling from my own experiences. It's terrifying and stressful. Please, please stay safe. Like Yuchitown has stated, I hope this gets resolved swiftly and equitably. I hate the arbcom process. -- ARose Wolf 14:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm shocked but so glad you are joining me in retirement! The stink is pretty rotten in here, let's go find a more pleasant atmosphere so we can finally ditch these uncomfortable gas masks. <3 [ [1]] Indigenous girl ( talk) 23:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:

For the Arbitration Committee, firefly ( t · c ) 14:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Arbitration motion regarding Mark Ironie and CorbieVreccan

The Request for Arbitration " CorbieVreccan, Mark Ironie, and Tamzin" has been declined by the Committee. A motion was passed in the handling of the case request. For the Arbitration Committee, firefly ( t · c ) 14:40, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello CorbieVreccan, I processed your request at WP:BN and added some of the other flags for you. If you need anything else please let me know. — xaosflux ^Talk 19:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, xaos. I just don't need the stress right now. It's very much appreciated. Best wishes, - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

This editor has decided to leave Wikipedia.

September songs

my story today

The flowers are weeping if you look closer. Sorry for your loss. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to see you go. Thank you for all you have done here. Yngvadottir ( talk) 02:05, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

As above, please stay. Take a short break and come back. You're needed. Doug Weller talk 07:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, please come back if/when you can. I enjoyed our recent collaboration, but there's still more to do in that area – as in so many others. Best regards, Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 09:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I didn't see this before now and my heart sank further. I am torn because I have been in a similar position in the past and had to remove myself from public for a time until it was resolved. But I also know the project, and in particular Indigenous topics on Wikipedia, will suffer with you gone. Of course you have to choose your health and the safety of your family but you will be missed, Corbie. I hope you will be able to return one day. It will be sao good to see you again. For now, go in peace and may a song follow you wherever you walk. -- ARose Wolf 15:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

@ ARoseWolf, I'm confused, why would you write this damning statement on AN? [2] CV & MI are not the only editors here who have shared IPs and engaged in what might appear as coordinated editing. It really sounded like you were calling into question whether they should have access to tools. Please explain, because I'm quite confused by your words and I'm hoping I'm wrong about this.

I am very concerned for the IPNA project, and share some of Iggy's concerns about Pretendians and well-meaning but naive editors (such as what drove part of this train wreck), and also there are editors out there who want to silence Native voices (and introduce systemic bias.) @ CorbieVreccan and @ Indigenous girl were some of our strongest and most scholarly voices that we have lost. I am deeply mourning their loss for IPNA and in other areas of their expertise within the encyclopedia. Netherzone ( talk) 17:32, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Netherzone, it wasn't a damning statement in the slightest. I expressed my concern and shock upon hearing the news that Mark and Corbie shared an IP and the perception that Mark may not have just happened upon that particular discussion I was involved in heavily in which we were having an issue with an editor who claimed to be making copyedits but we felt was changing the meaning of statements in the article. That editor was involved in an edit war which lead to their partial block. At the time I thought Mark (blocking admin) entered the discussion as an uninvolved admin doing patrols, read the discussion, and came to the conclusion that action was needed. I thought it was just a fortunate occurrence. However the connection, at the very least, would make him involved and potentially taint what would otherwise be considered a good partial block. The perception is what was damning, not anything I said. No where did I call for anyone to be stripped of the tools. I can express concern over the perception of that one instance that I was involved in and the integrity, not of the individual editors, but the action taken and who it was that enacted it without necessarily calling for anyone to lose the mop. Accountability among admins is a great concern for the encyclopedia. If the community is to have faith in our admin corps then these things need to be fleshed out. In my opinion, it should have never went to arbcom (You can see my feelings about arbitration here) and this simply could have been resolved with other admin's and the community telling Mark that he needs to be more careful in what situations he takes admin action. Your statement seems to imply that I am somehow to blame for what occurred before and after my statement which is categorically untrue. My comment was not referenced anywhere else and I would have surely spoken up if it had. Please make sure you read the full discussion before making such claims.

To the situation that brought this about, the only involvement I had was the final statement in that discussion. I had hope that Pingnova would acknowledge the importance of taking care on such topics. I had hoped the choice would be to observe and engage members on IPNA in civil and positive discussion, to learn from members experiences and utilize their knowledge to gain understanding. I saw no acknowledgement and no commitment going forward to do that. Hopefully that changes. But no where did I call for that discussion to be escalated further than the project talk page, certainly not AN, and most definitely not arbcom. I am just as distraught over losing Corbie and Iggy. It is a huge blow to the project. I share the same concerns as you and the others about the project as I have said so many times. -- ARose Wolf 15:30, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Will miss your voice here. Thank you so much for all the contributions you made and all the leadership you have shown. Best wishes for all your new endeavors! Yuchitown ( talk) 02:56, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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