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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Wgullyn were:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

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Hello, Ajo47! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! >>> Wgullyn. talk(); 17:00, 12 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Wikilinks, while desirable, contribute nothing toward establishing a person's notability. What is needed is at least three references to published content, but ideally, ALL FACTUAL STATEMENTS in an article about a person should be verified by references. David notMD ( talk) 18:34, 12 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Putting a URL inside single brackets as a reference is wrong. Minimally, add the item's title inside the single brackets, as I did for ref #3. However, Help:Referencing for beginners gives advice on how to create proper refs. David notMD ( talk) 10:51, 13 February 2022 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your advice. I’ll follow up. 45.16.200.55 ( talk) 13:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC) reply

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Clarityfiend was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

 The comment the reviewer left was:

Outside a New York Times obituary which I can't access (and therefore evaluate), none of the sources are about Ockner.

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Clarityfiend ( talk) 22:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC) reply

The article on George Ockner has been rejected.  I have two issues needing assistance.  First, I was told the editor could not access the New York Times obituary of George Ockner.  Since this is behind a firewall but I have access to it, how can I actually provide the article to Wikipedia editors?  I have seen other references to NYT obits on other people's Wikipedia pages.  Please advise.

The second thing I would like to discuss is that many of George Ockner's musician colleagues who worked with him in the recording industry during the 1950s and 1960s have Wikipedia pages, and some of them have fewer verifiable sources listed and no monographs or works entirely devoted to them. I wonder why there is this discrepancy in Wikipedia standards for articles.  I would be happy to give you a list of these other artists.  I also might be able to supply more information on Ockner. Thank you for your consideration. ~~~~ Ajo47 ( talk) 21:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Also, please see other stuff exists. (I intended this to appear after Clarityfiend's kind offer.) David10244 ( talk) 11:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC) reply

You can post his colleagues here, and I will evaluate them. Clarityfiend ( talk) 19:08, 19 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Thank you. I thought had already posted links to some of his colleagues' articles on my talk page. But I cannot find that, so here are some names of his colleagues in the various stages of his career. Most of them were either in the Glenn Miller Orchestra with him or worked in the recording studio orchestras in the 1950s and 1960s, or both:

David Nadien ✓ Pass I found a Time magazine article. That plus his New York Times obituary (paywalled), his Leventritt Competition win and various other sources are sufficient to attest to his notability.

Bernie Privin ✓ Pass A New York Times obituary is generally considered sufficient to establish notability, though I'm bothered by the fact that I couldn't find much else.

https://www.colorado.edu/amrc/sites/default/files/attached-files/gmbs_aaf_1943-2018_0.pdf (Ockner is mentioned on this site)

A single mention in passing is not worth much. However, see below for my second thoughts.

Harvey Shapiro (musician) ✗ Fail I'm not seeing much coverage here, not much more than an Interlude article.

Bernard Greenhouse ✓ Pass New York Times and The Guardian obituaries.

Percy Faith ✓ Pass You're kidding, right? Well-known performer with two Grammys and seven nominations!

David Schwartz (violist) ✗ Fail The Los Angeles Times obituary is paid for, and there isn't much else.

Ajo47 ( talk) 15:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC) reply

Second thoughts. As with Privin, an obituary in The New York Times is generally considered enough for an article, so upon further consideration, my verdict is probably unjustified. However, I couldn't read it nor could I find much other substantial notice. So, I'm going to suggest you reapply, and hopefully someone will review it who can evaluate the NYT article. Clarityfiend ( talk) 01:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC) reply

I have nominated Shapiro and Schwartz for deletion. Clarityfiend ( talk) 13:47, 21 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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