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Hi VwM.Mmv, I don't disagree that 'Zucc' is a meme for Mark Zuckerberg, but if it is important enough to be listed at Zucc, then it should be mentioned in his article first ( WP:DABABBREV). Leschnei ( talk) 12:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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I am required to inform you that only 3 reverts are permitted before administrators may become involved. You are over that limit and I am at it. They'll block you if you continue to revert the article. I've provided you links on the talk page where I pinged you, and will provide them here again, WP:NPOV#Bias_in_sources, WP:3RR, WP:PRIMARY, ~ R. T. G 18:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Please read the section "Notification" above on this page. There is no doubt that the assassination of Lord Moyne was an aspect of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Therefore you are not permitted to edit their until you have 500 edits. After that time you are welcome to edit there, but 1RR (not 3RR, User:RTG please note) applies. Zero talk 09:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I'm شرعب السلام. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Iran, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. SharabSalam ( talk) 15:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: As you wish. But it's gonna take up like 10-20 sources for one single sentence. Are you sure you don't prefer the link instead? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 15:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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@ RolandR: I'm sorry, but that was an essential part of the discussion. It's needed to prove the BDS double standards, and by extension, prove their anti-Semitism, which is the topic of the whole discussion. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 04:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nblund: Fine. Just don't censor my MOST important comment. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 05:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nblund: Actually, I fixed it by adding a short edit note to my original comment. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 06:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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Galobtter: Not really sure how this thing works, so I'll just post my questions/objections here:
1. I'm not aware that the Arab-Israeli conflict-related talk pages are off-limits for new users. Are they?
2. I actually self-reverted during this "edit war" because it was annoying and unconstructive.
[1]
3. Can you please explain how calling an anti-Semitie anti-Semitic is a "personal attack" when their remarks clearly fit the definition of
anti-Semitism?
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
16:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Doubling down on your personal attacks (and calling another user "Anti-Semitic" most definitely counts as a personal attack) isn't exactly helping your case. Yunshui 雲 水 16:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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@ Yunshui: I am not going to sacrifice recognition of the truth simply for the sake of being unblocked from Wikipedia. I have far too much self-esteem to do such a thing (for better or worse). I'd rather take a break for a week. With that said, I don't plan to repeat my "personal attack" because I belive my point has already been made. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 16:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
As the recipient of this particular attack, [2] I’d like to thank the administrators for taking action here. I was deeply offended by the attack (“...you admittedly don't recognize the right of the Jewish state to have its own immigration policies. Therefore, you... are anti-Semitic”), despite it being nonsense (no such statement was ever made, not even close, nor does the connection appear to be logical). I hope the editor will consider withdrawing and apologising for his attack. Onceinawhile ( talk) 22:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Onceinawhile: So does this mean you don't wish to force Israel to take in millions of Arab immigrants? Or do you wish to also force every country (not just the Jewish one) to take in immigrants according to the same standard? If your answer to both the above questions are "no", I'm afraid won't be able to apologize to you. E pur si muove. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 06:55, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Onceinawhile: I couldn't care less about so-called "international law" (btw, your link only references actual refugees, not their descendants). I care about my own morality, which is based on
Objectivism (Ayn Rand) and adherence to the
non-aggression principle.
Just because some individuals may have been forced to leave an area doesn't mean their descendants have any moral right to invade & destroy the country existing there now. Two wrongs don't make a right. You seem to agree with that in every case (Soviet-US, Poland-Germany, etc.) except the Arab-Israeli conflict. And that's why I called you anti-Semitic.
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
06:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
When you said Just because some individuals may have been forced to leave an area doesn't mean their descendants have any moral right to invade & destroy the country existing there now.
Who were you talking about? Are you talking about the Zionist regime? And why do you think they want to invade while all they want is to return to their homeland not to destroy homes or destroy olive trees or even archeological sites.--
SharabSalam (
talk)
07:03, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Please define "they". All of Israel's enemies have declared their intent to destroy the free Jewish state and replace it with a totalitarian Judenrein Islamic state. Even the supposedly "moderate" Palestinian Authority regularly tortures its own dissidents [3], and has declared its goal to make Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria Judenrein as well [4]. BDS is merely a façade. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 07:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ VwM.Mwv: Hi, please note that being blocked from Wikipedia isn't a punishment but an opportunity for you to review Wikipedia's policies and to recognise the mistakes you have made that got you blocked so I would suggest you start doing that. Thanks-- SharabSalam ( talk) 01:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Your comment sounds good and all, but it's predicated on the idea that I regret the "mistakes" I've supposedly made, which I don't (except maybe for the short "edit-war" that I stopped on my own). VwM.Mwv ( talk) 07:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Then why do you use it as such? [5] VwM.Mwv ( talk) 08:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Obviously, you haven't read this section, where I already did pretty much excactly what you just advised. Still though, thanks. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 10:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
The following sanction now applies to you:
You are banned from editing talk pages relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict until you are extended-confirmed. This means the exception in the general prohibition on the Arab-Israeli conflict, that: "Editors who are not eligible to be extended-confirmed may use the Talk: namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive." does not apply to you.
You have been sanctioned for the reasons I've given above.
This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.
You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 16:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
It has become very apparent that you see no issue with making personal attacks against other editors, and will likely continue to do so in the future if other editors disagree with you. It also seems evident that you are not here to create an encyclopedia, but rather to "right great wrongs". You further appear to believe that your own personal opinion trumps Wikipedia policies with regard to content. Based on your comments while blocked, I do not believe that allowing you to continue editing once this block expired is in Wikipedia's best interests, and I have therefore extended it to an indefinite block. If you believe that you would in fact be able to edit productively, you are welcome to appeal, but note that the arbitration sanctions mentioned above will continue to apply even in the event of a successful unblock appeal. Yunshui 雲 水 08:42, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Yunshui: That may be the case for my edits on my own talk page, but it's certainly not the case elsewhere on Wikipedia. I invite you to take a look at these edits, for example:
[6]
[7]
[8]
[9]
[10]
[11]
[12]
[13]
[14]
[15]. I think you will find they are nothing but encyclopedic.
As for the "personal attack", the best I can do is write;
Dear
Onceinawhile, I apologize for calling you anti-Semitic without considering the possibility that the views you espoused may have been in reference to your perception of the BDS' stances rather than a reflection of your own personal opinions. After careful deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that I do not know whether or not you are an anti-Semite. Therefore, I rescend my accusation.
Anything else would not be sincere, and so it would feel like a forced apology. I hope that this can be accepted.
Finally, I'd like to say that I intend to stop using any part of Wikipedia to "right great wrongs", as I have come to understand that it's not what this platform is designed for.
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
09:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Yunshui: The maximum block for WP:AE is for one year -- Shrike ( talk) 10:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
{{
unblock}}
template and explain why he should be unblocked reading
WP:GAB before of course --
Shrike (
talk)
11:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)@ Shrike: Thanks for the advise. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 11:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
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Request reason:
I've read
WP:GAB and I think the block is no longer necessary because I understand what I am blocked for, I will not do it again, and I will make productive contributions. Also, the initial one-week block (abitration enforcement) has expired. Further explanations are provided in my latest post, which I'm copy-pasting below here;
That may be the case for my edits on my own talk page, but it's certainly not the case elsewhere on Wikipedia. I invite you to take a look at these edits, for example:
[16]
[17]
[18]
[19]
[20]
[21]
[22]
[23]
[24]
[25]. I think you will find they are nothing but encyclopedic. Edit: other editors have also mentioned the constructiveness of my edits.
[26]
As for the personal attack, the best I can do is write;
Dear
Onceinawhile, I apologize for calling you "anti-Semitic" without considering the possibility that the views you espoused may have been in reference to your perception of the BDS' stances rather than a reflection of your own personal opinions. After careful deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that I do not know whether or not you are an anti-Semite. Therefore, I rescend my accusation.
Anything else would not be sincere, and so it would feel like a forced apology. I hope that this can be accepted.
Finally, I'd like to say that I intend to stop using any part of Wikipedia to "right great wrongs", as I have come to understand that it's not what this platform is designed for.
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
11:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Accept reason:
I am willing to unblock given that this user has agreed to listen to the advice and mentoring of Icewhiz. Be advised that if the behavior that resulted in your block recurs, you may be reblocked. 331dot ( talk) 11:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Yunshui: Can you please lift the block now? It's been several days, and no other administrator has noticed my request. I'd also prefer you be the one do it, since you're the one who extended the block in the first place, and I don't want to "go behind your back" or something like that. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 17:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Galobtter and
Yunshui: It's a quote because I was quoting you. That's the only thing it's meant to "indicate" (<---just like this word). (Edit: But if it's really such a big deal, I'll remove the scare-quotes to clarify that I do understand why it was classified as a personal attack, and I've repeatedly apologized for it.)
Why does it have to be another (uninvolved) admin? As I've previously noted, none except you two have even noticed my request.
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
10:53, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Galobtter and Yunshui: Okay, so it's been more than a week now, and this is still unnoticed by other admins. Can one of you please life the block? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 18:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Yunshui: So let me get this straight... I'm blocked indefinitely for personal attacks (which I apologized for) because I was already blocked as arbitration enforcement (which has expired), but other editors will not be blocked at all for similar personal attacks if they were not already blocked as arbitration enforcement?
I understand you wanting to get feedback from other admins, but you have to take at least some personal responsibility, since you're the one who extended the block in the first place! Waiting for this long is unreasonable, and I don't understand how undoing your own block could be considered "unilateral" action.
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
10:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Yunshui: Your reasoning is deeply, deeply illogical.
I explicitly stated in my appeal that my apology for the personal attack, in its excact form, is "the best I can do" because "Anything else would not be sincere". Then you proceed to accuse me of not being sincere.
As for
WP:NOTHERE, I explained & apologized for that, too in great detail, and other editors have also mentioned the constructiveness of my edits.
If you want to recuse yourself from this case, can you at least contact other admins and urge them to look into it? You can't just block me and then say "I want nothing to do with this".
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
11:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Yunshui: Thanks! VwM.Mwv ( talk) 11:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Icewhiz: Thanks for your comments! VwM.Mwv ( talk) 10:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Icewhiz: I'm glad to accept your offer, and I'll keep the advice in mind. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 11:09, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ 331dot and Boing! said Zebedee: Thanks both! Just so I'm sure, does this mean this matter is fully closed (per the relevant unblock conditions)? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 12:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ 331dot and Boing! said Zebedee: Got it! 👍 VwM.Mwv ( talk) 12:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
VwM.Mwv, I have a few requests and comments regarding editing in the immediate future:
Icewhiz ( talk) 12:17, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Icewhiz: Thanks a lot, I actually just asked a question about this on your talk page. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 12:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Please do not mark reverts of other editors as minor edits. Minor edits are uncontroversial edits, which reverts are not. Also, please familiarize yourself with WP:BRD, which while only an essay is very strongly supported by the editing community. When one has been reverted by two other editors, it’s generally a good idea not to add back the information a third time. You risk getting blocked for WP:3RR. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ealdgyth: Sorry, I didn't consider most of these edits as reverts because while I did restore information, I also changed the specific details that other editors objected to. Furthermore, I've started a discussion on the talk page. I'm certainly not interested in any sort of edit war. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ealdgyth: Thanks, I was just about to ask for a clear definition. I'll read it now. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ealdgyth: One thing is still unclear to me: Am I allowed to partially restrore information per a talk page suggestion that no one has objected to, or will that, too be considered as edit warring? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
You've been alerted to the special remedy in force in relation to Arab-Israeli edits, and you've been reported and blocked for violating it. That remedy is "All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict." Pinging Galobtter, Yunshui, and 331dot.
You violated it again at The Holocaust by adding: "Germany also paid over $500 million in subsidies for Israel's purchases of Dolphin-class submarines since the 1990s, in part as reparations for the Holocaust and for its weapons' sales to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein which were used against Israeli civilians ..." You reverted when the edit was removed. I would normally say go to the talk page instead of edit warring, but Galobtter appears to have banned you from posting on talk about those issues too. SarahSV (talk) 22:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@
SlimVirgin: That was in context to the Holocaust reparations. How could that possibly be related to the Arab-Israeli conflict? It was merely a detail to explain that the submarine subsidies were not for the Holocaust only, but also for weapons' sales to Saddam (as well as to boost the German industry, for that matter). Though, the relevant topic was the Holocaust only.
Edit: I realize now that it could maybe, maybe be seen as somehow slightly related, but it's reverted, so this problem should be resolved now, shouldn't it?
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
22:33, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SlimVirgin: I still maintain that the issue is completely irrelated the Arab-Israeli conflict, but I'll be even more careful in the future. I will not even mention anything about any detail about it, even if it's not the topic or even the sub-topic. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:40, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ 331dot: I absolutely understand. Should I archive this now? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Galobtter and Yunshui: Issue resolved by another admin. Archiving now. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
A couple of comments -
Regards - and you are welcome to ping, e-mail, or post on my talk page. Icewhiz ( talk) 06:53, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, please don't keep reverting when people object to your edits. The best way to proceed is to propose the edit on talk. A second option is to respect Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss, known as BRD. Make the edit, and if it's reverted, open a talk-page discussion and wait for consensus to form. The Holocaust article is problematic in areas, and it's important to make sure it doesn't deteriorate. That's why particular attention is being paid there. Many thanks, SarahSV (talk) 20:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
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For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
In addition, as a result of this ruling, all IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. RolandR ( talk) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi VwM.Mmv, I don't disagree that 'Zucc' is a meme for Mark Zuckerberg, but if it is important enough to be listed at Zucc, then it should be mentioned in his article first ( WP:DABABBREV). Leschnei ( talk) 12:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
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I am required to inform you that only 3 reverts are permitted before administrators may become involved. You are over that limit and I am at it. They'll block you if you continue to revert the article. I've provided you links on the talk page where I pinged you, and will provide them here again, WP:NPOV#Bias_in_sources, WP:3RR, WP:PRIMARY, ~ R. T. G 18:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Please read the section "Notification" above on this page. There is no doubt that the assassination of Lord Moyne was an aspect of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Therefore you are not permitted to edit their until you have 500 edits. After that time you are welcome to edit there, but 1RR (not 3RR, User:RTG please note) applies. Zero talk 09:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I'm شرعب السلام. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Iran, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. SharabSalam ( talk) 15:52, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: As you wish. But it's gonna take up like 10-20 sources for one single sentence. Are you sure you don't prefer the link instead? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 15:58, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Talk:Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines, not for general discussion about the topic or unrelated topics, or statements based on your thoughts or feelings. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Note also that, as a new editor you are additionally restricted. The Arbitration notification posted above refers to the "General Prohibition", which states that "Editors who are not eligible to be extended-confirmed may use the Talk: namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive". Some of your edits to the Talk page stray well beyond constructive comments, and could be considered disruptive even from an edit-confirmed editor. Please restrict your comments to discussion on how to improve the article, not for political debate on the topic itself. RolandR ( talk) 22:02, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
@ RolandR: I'm sorry, but that was an essential part of the discussion. It's needed to prove the BDS double standards, and by extension, prove their anti-Semitism, which is the topic of the whole discussion. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 04:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nblund: Fine. Just don't censor my MOST important comment. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 05:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nblund: Actually, I fixed it by adding a short edit note to my original comment. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 06:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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Galobtter (
pingó mió)
15:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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Request reason:
@
Galobtter: Not really sure how this thing works, so I'll just post my questions/objections here:
1. I'm not aware that the Arab-Israeli conflict-related talk pages are off-limits for new users. Are they?
2. I actually self-reverted during this "edit war" because it was annoying and unconstructive.
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3. Can you please explain how calling an anti-Semitie anti-Semitic is a "personal attack" when their remarks clearly fit the definition of
anti-Semitism?
VwM.Mwv (
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16:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Doubling down on your personal attacks (and calling another user "Anti-Semitic" most definitely counts as a personal attack) isn't exactly helping your case. Yunshui 雲 水 16:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
@ Yunshui: I am not going to sacrifice recognition of the truth simply for the sake of being unblocked from Wikipedia. I have far too much self-esteem to do such a thing (for better or worse). I'd rather take a break for a week. With that said, I don't plan to repeat my "personal attack" because I belive my point has already been made. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 16:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
As the recipient of this particular attack, [2] I’d like to thank the administrators for taking action here. I was deeply offended by the attack (“...you admittedly don't recognize the right of the Jewish state to have its own immigration policies. Therefore, you... are anti-Semitic”), despite it being nonsense (no such statement was ever made, not even close, nor does the connection appear to be logical). I hope the editor will consider withdrawing and apologising for his attack. Onceinawhile ( talk) 22:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Onceinawhile: So does this mean you don't wish to force Israel to take in millions of Arab immigrants? Or do you wish to also force every country (not just the Jewish one) to take in immigrants according to the same standard? If your answer to both the above questions are "no", I'm afraid won't be able to apologize to you. E pur si muove. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 06:55, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Onceinawhile: I couldn't care less about so-called "international law" (btw, your link only references actual refugees, not their descendants). I care about my own morality, which is based on
Objectivism (Ayn Rand) and adherence to the
non-aggression principle.
Just because some individuals may have been forced to leave an area doesn't mean their descendants have any moral right to invade & destroy the country existing there now. Two wrongs don't make a right. You seem to agree with that in every case (Soviet-US, Poland-Germany, etc.) except the Arab-Israeli conflict. And that's why I called you anti-Semitic.
VwM.Mwv (
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06:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
When you said Just because some individuals may have been forced to leave an area doesn't mean their descendants have any moral right to invade & destroy the country existing there now.
Who were you talking about? Are you talking about the Zionist regime? And why do you think they want to invade while all they want is to return to their homeland not to destroy homes or destroy olive trees or even archeological sites.--
SharabSalam (
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07:03, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Please define "they". All of Israel's enemies have declared their intent to destroy the free Jewish state and replace it with a totalitarian Judenrein Islamic state. Even the supposedly "moderate" Palestinian Authority regularly tortures its own dissidents [3], and has declared its goal to make Jerusalem, Judea, and Samaria Judenrein as well [4]. BDS is merely a façade. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 07:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ VwM.Mwv: Hi, please note that being blocked from Wikipedia isn't a punishment but an opportunity for you to review Wikipedia's policies and to recognise the mistakes you have made that got you blocked so I would suggest you start doing that. Thanks-- SharabSalam ( talk) 01:38, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Your comment sounds good and all, but it's predicated on the idea that I regret the "mistakes" I've supposedly made, which I don't (except maybe for the short "edit-war" that I stopped on my own). VwM.Mwv ( talk) 07:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Then why do you use it as such? [5] VwM.Mwv ( talk) 08:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SharabSalam: Obviously, you haven't read this section, where I already did pretty much excactly what you just advised. Still though, thanks. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 10:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
The following sanction now applies to you:
You are banned from editing talk pages relating to the Arab-Israeli conflict until you are extended-confirmed. This means the exception in the general prohibition on the Arab-Israeli conflict, that: "Editors who are not eligible to be extended-confirmed may use the Talk: namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive." does not apply to you.
You have been sanctioned for the reasons I've given above.
This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.
You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 16:40, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
It has become very apparent that you see no issue with making personal attacks against other editors, and will likely continue to do so in the future if other editors disagree with you. It also seems evident that you are not here to create an encyclopedia, but rather to "right great wrongs". You further appear to believe that your own personal opinion trumps Wikipedia policies with regard to content. Based on your comments while blocked, I do not believe that allowing you to continue editing once this block expired is in Wikipedia's best interests, and I have therefore extended it to an indefinite block. If you believe that you would in fact be able to edit productively, you are welcome to appeal, but note that the arbitration sanctions mentioned above will continue to apply even in the event of a successful unblock appeal. Yunshui 雲 水 08:42, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
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Yunshui: That may be the case for my edits on my own talk page, but it's certainly not the case elsewhere on Wikipedia. I invite you to take a look at these edits, for example:
[6]
[7]
[8]
[9]
[10]
[11]
[12]
[13]
[14]
[15]. I think you will find they are nothing but encyclopedic.
As for the "personal attack", the best I can do is write;
Dear
Onceinawhile, I apologize for calling you anti-Semitic without considering the possibility that the views you espoused may have been in reference to your perception of the BDS' stances rather than a reflection of your own personal opinions. After careful deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that I do not know whether or not you are an anti-Semite. Therefore, I rescend my accusation.
Anything else would not be sincere, and so it would feel like a forced apology. I hope that this can be accepted.
Finally, I'd like to say that I intend to stop using any part of Wikipedia to "right great wrongs", as I have come to understand that it's not what this platform is designed for.
VwM.Mwv (
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09:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Yunshui: The maximum block for WP:AE is for one year -- Shrike ( talk) 10:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
{{
unblock}}
template and explain why he should be unblocked reading
WP:GAB before of course --
Shrike (
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11:17, 15 February 2019 (UTC)@ Shrike: Thanks for the advise. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 11:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
VwM.Mwv ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I've read
WP:GAB and I think the block is no longer necessary because I understand what I am blocked for, I will not do it again, and I will make productive contributions. Also, the initial one-week block (abitration enforcement) has expired. Further explanations are provided in my latest post, which I'm copy-pasting below here;
That may be the case for my edits on my own talk page, but it's certainly not the case elsewhere on Wikipedia. I invite you to take a look at these edits, for example:
[16]
[17]
[18]
[19]
[20]
[21]
[22]
[23]
[24]
[25]. I think you will find they are nothing but encyclopedic. Edit: other editors have also mentioned the constructiveness of my edits.
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As for the personal attack, the best I can do is write;
Dear
Onceinawhile, I apologize for calling you "anti-Semitic" without considering the possibility that the views you espoused may have been in reference to your perception of the BDS' stances rather than a reflection of your own personal opinions. After careful deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that I do not know whether or not you are an anti-Semite. Therefore, I rescend my accusation.
Anything else would not be sincere, and so it would feel like a forced apology. I hope that this can be accepted.
Finally, I'd like to say that I intend to stop using any part of Wikipedia to "right great wrongs", as I have come to understand that it's not what this platform is designed for.
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
11:36, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Accept reason:
I am willing to unblock given that this user has agreed to listen to the advice and mentoring of Icewhiz. Be advised that if the behavior that resulted in your block recurs, you may be reblocked. 331dot ( talk) 11:52, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Yunshui: Can you please lift the block now? It's been several days, and no other administrator has noticed my request. I'd also prefer you be the one do it, since you're the one who extended the block in the first place, and I don't want to "go behind your back" or something like that. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 17:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Galobtter and
Yunshui: It's a quote because I was quoting you. That's the only thing it's meant to "indicate" (<---just like this word). (Edit: But if it's really such a big deal, I'll remove the scare-quotes to clarify that I do understand why it was classified as a personal attack, and I've repeatedly apologized for it.)
Why does it have to be another (uninvolved) admin? As I've previously noted, none except you two have even noticed my request.
VwM.Mwv (
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10:53, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Galobtter and Yunshui: Okay, so it's been more than a week now, and this is still unnoticed by other admins. Can one of you please life the block? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 18:19, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Yunshui: So let me get this straight... I'm blocked indefinitely for personal attacks (which I apologized for) because I was already blocked as arbitration enforcement (which has expired), but other editors will not be blocked at all for similar personal attacks if they were not already blocked as arbitration enforcement?
I understand you wanting to get feedback from other admins, but you have to take at least some personal responsibility, since you're the one who extended the block in the first place! Waiting for this long is unreasonable, and I don't understand how undoing your own block could be considered "unilateral" action.
VwM.Mwv (
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10:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@
Yunshui: Your reasoning is deeply, deeply illogical.
I explicitly stated in my appeal that my apology for the personal attack, in its excact form, is "the best I can do" because "Anything else would not be sincere". Then you proceed to accuse me of not being sincere.
As for
WP:NOTHERE, I explained & apologized for that, too in great detail, and other editors have also mentioned the constructiveness of my edits.
If you want to recuse yourself from this case, can you at least contact other admins and urge them to look into it? You can't just block me and then say "I want nothing to do with this".
VwM.Mwv (
talk)
11:29, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Yunshui: Thanks! VwM.Mwv ( talk) 11:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Icewhiz: Thanks for your comments! VwM.Mwv ( talk) 10:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Icewhiz: I'm glad to accept your offer, and I'll keep the advice in mind. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 11:09, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ 331dot and Boing! said Zebedee: Thanks both! Just so I'm sure, does this mean this matter is fully closed (per the relevant unblock conditions)? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 12:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ 331dot and Boing! said Zebedee: Got it! 👍 VwM.Mwv ( talk) 12:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
VwM.Mwv, I have a few requests and comments regarding editing in the immediate future:
Icewhiz ( talk) 12:17, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Icewhiz: Thanks a lot, I actually just asked a question about this on your talk page. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 12:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Please do not mark reverts of other editors as minor edits. Minor edits are uncontroversial edits, which reverts are not. Also, please familiarize yourself with WP:BRD, which while only an essay is very strongly supported by the editing community. When one has been reverted by two other editors, it’s generally a good idea not to add back the information a third time. You risk getting blocked for WP:3RR. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ealdgyth: Sorry, I didn't consider most of these edits as reverts because while I did restore information, I also changed the specific details that other editors objected to. Furthermore, I've started a discussion on the talk page. I'm certainly not interested in any sort of edit war. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ealdgyth: Thanks, I was just about to ask for a clear definition. I'll read it now. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:13, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Ealdgyth: One thing is still unclear to me: Am I allowed to partially restrore information per a talk page suggestion that no one has objected to, or will that, too be considered as edit warring? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:22, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
You've been alerted to the special remedy in force in relation to Arab-Israeli edits, and you've been reported and blocked for violating it. That remedy is "All IP editors, accounts with fewer than 500 edits, and accounts with less than 30 days tenure are prohibited from editing any page that could be reasonably construed as being related to the Arab-Israeli conflict." Pinging Galobtter, Yunshui, and 331dot.
You violated it again at The Holocaust by adding: "Germany also paid over $500 million in subsidies for Israel's purchases of Dolphin-class submarines since the 1990s, in part as reparations for the Holocaust and for its weapons' sales to Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein which were used against Israeli civilians ..." You reverted when the edit was removed. I would normally say go to the talk page instead of edit warring, but Galobtter appears to have banned you from posting on talk about those issues too. SarahSV (talk) 22:27, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@
SlimVirgin: That was in context to the Holocaust reparations. How could that possibly be related to the Arab-Israeli conflict? It was merely a detail to explain that the submarine subsidies were not for the Holocaust only, but also for weapons' sales to Saddam (as well as to boost the German industry, for that matter). Though, the relevant topic was the Holocaust only.
Edit: I realize now that it could maybe, maybe be seen as somehow slightly related, but it's reverted, so this problem should be resolved now, shouldn't it?
VwM.Mwv (
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22:33, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ SlimVirgin: I still maintain that the issue is completely irrelated the Arab-Israeli conflict, but I'll be even more careful in the future. I will not even mention anything about any detail about it, even if it's not the topic or even the sub-topic. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 22:40, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ 331dot: I absolutely understand. Should I archive this now? VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Galobtter and Yunshui: Issue resolved by another admin. Archiving now. VwM.Mwv ( talk) 23:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
A couple of comments -
Regards - and you are welcome to ping, e-mail, or post on my talk page. Icewhiz ( talk) 06:53, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, please don't keep reverting when people object to your edits. The best way to proceed is to propose the edit on talk. A second option is to respect Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss, known as BRD. Make the edit, and if it's reverted, open a talk-page discussion and wait for consensus to form. The Holocaust article is problematic in areas, and it's important to make sure it doesn't deteriorate. That's why particular attention is being paid there. Many thanks, SarahSV (talk) 20:01, 23 February 2019 (UTC)