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Aloha. The July 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 13:06, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Did you ever respond to my Kingdom of Oahu infobox? I need some help and a little opinions. Also do you know if Wikipedia has a map of Maui County without Molokai? KAVEBEAR ( talk) 06:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
No need to give anymore. because these book are out of my reach. Plus I think the article is getting to wording. So thanks for the information. And two of them will be helpful for me in the Kukaniloko Birthstones article. Also do you know the status of John Young's Homestead? Is it one of Register of Historic Places of Hawaii? The ruined still exist. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 02:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I just created a page for Moku'ula, but started from a red link of Moku`ula. How can I make it so that people searching for Moku ula, Moku'ula, or Moku`ula all end up on the right page? I'm sure this question comes up a lot with Hawaiian entries. Thanks. Shannon.wianecki ( talk) 05:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
What Users do you know that can tell me something about Hanaiakamalama? It involves a potrait. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 01:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Try this site . Other than this I can't find a thing.
I starting one of the Davis and Young family. See if it make since to you here. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 06:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:DENY should apply to this situation equally as well as it does to vandals, IMO. I respectfully suggest you leave the editor to his/her talk page. As I suggested at the AN/I, and concerning which the editor appeared to want to take heed, "no more comments on the editor's talk page, no more communication from the editor to this thread... and absolutely no response to comments the editor might make on his/her talk or archive page, no matter how unfairly you/we might feel the editor is misrepresenting yours or others' words." Trust me, the record is clear enough without further escalating matters. Whether this frankly strange misunderstanding is deliberate or not on his/her part (I count two "thank you"s, one "no offence", and one outright apology from you on that archive page), I don't think anything is served by continuing. The community will speak soon enough. Steve T • C 22:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Didn't the Niihauans refused to vote about Statehood or were they agaisn't Statehood all together? I don't know the view of the natives on Niihau about Hawaiian sovereignity but it should be added on to that section. Read this about the sovereignity movement of the Kingdom of Atooi. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 23:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Viriditas, There is some disagreement between myself and another user as to whether or not the fact that Mortenson's parents were Lutheran missionaries should be in the article (e.g., see [ this). Here is User:Tauheed ashraf explanation on the issue. Can you please offer an outside opinion here? Thanks, Renee ( talk) 11:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Heeeeeeeeeeeey! You found a picture, you are AWESOME!! -- MPerel 04:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I dont have a reference for my edit on Hippie. I wrote it from my own experience of growing up in Kathmandu. So you may remove it if you have to. Kathmandu2007 ( talk) 20:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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For all your great work on The Prestige. It has been a pleasure working with you and I hope to do so agan in the future. Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ Disc.us.sion 06:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC) |
Dear Viriditas, Nope, haven't heard anything from Tauheed. If it really does put Mortenson at risk then I don't want to push it; I really respect and value all that he's doing. Regarding the images, I've tried showing him before but he doesn't seem to upload them correctly (he's uploaded plenty, but then they're deleted). I don't know if his email is enabled? Great work on the Hawaii pages, by the way. Which is your favorite island and why? (We're planning to move there for a three year stint sometime soon.) Renee ( talk) 04:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
My dear Viriditas, THANK you for your kind award, though honestly, I barely approach one tenth of all the work you do (which goes far too often unrecognized). It is a genuine pleasure collaborating with you on the Hawaii Project and other editing efforts. I'll see you around for the upcoming newsletter. : ) -- MPerel 05:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you edit the picture to HIDE the eyed pyramid as well ?
You state that the content of my remark can not be verified! Just look at the picture! Is it a fake picture ? lolll Who are you ? Why do you erase what I wrote ?
My answer : you are paid to protect the NWO men that this eyed pyramid exactly represent. So who pays you ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 911allo ( talk • contribs) 13:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for the awesome work that you and Joe Wright have done regarding the American origins of the Burrito. Also, the discussion page is way more entertaining than is the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.106.125 ( talk) 21:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the link - I wasn't aware of it. Not sure we can make much use of it though, given that it simply repeats the sort of nonsensical, contradictory and unsubstantiated babble that largely comprises the "prince's" Vikesland website - and which he customarily defends by resorting to explosive hysteria, personal attacks, outright deceit and threats of legal action whenever asked to actually substantiate his assertions. -- Gene_poole ( talk) 08:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually it is on the talk page. I nominated Stranger in a Strange Land (Lost). The article I think you are looking at is Stranger in a Strange Land. Mine is about an episode of Lost, not a book. -- Mr.crabby (Talk) 15:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I think you did a good job in your edits to Sicko, as I agree with most of them. I don't agree with all of them, but I think that in general, they do a good job of condensing details into general summaries, and in the case of Kennewick, removing info irrelevant to the Plot that is already covered under Criticism. (I don't recall for certain, but it's possible that that latter bit was placed there by me, so thanks for fixing it). There is one thing I'd like to clarify, though: You stated that you removed the passage regarding Hannity's interview with Browning with the Edit Summary: "Removed surreptitious advertisement for Stuart Browning's film. No source available for Hannity interview or reason why this is notable" As the person who (IIRC) added that material, this passage was not intended as an advertisement, surreptitious or otherwise for that film. I haven't seen that film, nor do I have any connection with him. It was added because it was relevant to criticism of the film. Since the url is plainly visible in the Edit Field and in the saved References section, I don't see how this is "surreptitious", unless you're referring to the lack of the www. prefix, which was simply an oversight, one that I fixed. As for the lack of a source, apparently what happened was that the video was removed from that YouTube user's page, and therefore, someone removed the lack without finding a replacement source or placing a citation request tag. I found a replacement for it, but please do not accuse other editors of such intent unless you can establish it to the exclusion of other possible ones. Doing this could be construed as a violation of WP:Civility and WP:Assume Good Faith. Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 17:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I just want to commend you for how well this newsletter is turning out. I responded to your second question at the News Bureau, which I hope is better than my first answer. Thanks for being such an essential role in WikiProject Hawaii. Kudos to you! – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 19:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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Can I cahnge to view of this to showing only the name but allowing the other info to be viewed? KAVEBEAR ( talk) 23:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Check Talk:List of characters in A Kindred Spirit to see my prob.
I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure it out. I've uploaded lots of photos to Wikipedia, so I know I know how to do it. Tonight, I uploaded an aerial photo of Lihue for the Lihue page (to replace an image that doesn't really fit). But the image isn't showing up in the article. Also, the preview isn't showing up in the lihue-hawaii-aerial.jpg image page. I can't figure out what I did wrong. Can you? -- Christopher Polihale ( talk) 03:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for four years of prolific, high quality contributions! You are a gem and greatly appreciated. Btw I love your edit summary here : ) -- MPerel 05:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I know it was moved a long time ago, but I would like to reconsider the page move from Gerard K. O'Neill to Gerard O'Neill. I left a comment about this on the article's talk page. Wronkiew ( talk) 05:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
You did three edits to my talk page several minutes apart earlier in the past couple hours followed by an additional edit by MPerel, also a WP Hawaii list member....and then suddenly, an edit credited to me shows a couple thousand bytes missing. I tried to restore the edit credited to MPerel but the utility doesn't allow the edit credited to him/her to be 'restored'.....this, unless my wiki naievete has me deceived, smells like a bot.....help! bentnhaf ( talk) 07:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for helping with the page move. I was unsure how to do that without losing the edit history; I'm glad you handled it. Newportm ( talk) 05:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
...'cept this time I caught myself. I went down to the "edit this page" link @ the bottom in order to see the Werdnabot template code w/ the header on/off switch you told me about. After fooling with it a bit, I decided to leave the header off and exited the edit page.....and almost everything disappeared.
I immediately went to the history page and went through the entire restoration procedure...it was unsuccessful.
Can you go back in and restore the last edit that shows 31,797 Bytes and restore it?
Catching myself this time proves that it wasn't what I did that vaporized the content but that it was the limitation of my Palm technology that couldn't handle the task. Until I get access to more powerful technology, I won't try that again. --- bentnhaf ( talk) 02:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
...Try to edit by section heading only.
...You may have to enable section editing in My preferences > Editing. The trick to doing that for the first section (section 0) is to set the section number to zero with "User_talk:Bentnhaf&action=edit§ion=0" in the URL.
If you had done that, it would have worked. Viriditas ( talk) 03:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
--- bentnhaf ( talk) 04:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Do you always keep an eye on my contribution list? Scary! :-D -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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Mr Viriditas:
I added a remark on the Israel Supreme Court page. The picture of the building shows a pyramid with a circular window at the top.
I just added a note saying "Note the pyramid..." about a picture that was already present. This picture was added before me, was accepted by wikipedia.
Thus my source is wikipedia it self. It is verifiable as indeed the picture shows a pyramid.
Please tell me if you will revert my edit since it is verified.
RSVP
Michel Lauzon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 911allo ( talk • contribs) 14:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
This is incredibly impressive! What would you like me to start with? I'm not sure how to resolve the Lutheran reference? Any ideas? Best, Renee Renee ( talk) 12:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
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In recognition of your clear analysis and organized way of approaching Three Cups of Tea and Greg Mortenson. Renee ( talk) 12:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC) |
Do you think they are styled them right? I am not sure if Duccio Kaumualii is the current Marquis of Montecorona (if that is even a real title). Also should I include HRH Prince David's wife, Eleanor Lendt? I'm not sure if she still alive though. And would she be call HRH Princess Eleanor or should she be call HRH Princess David. If she is alive she would only be a princess by marriage and I can't find example like her that I could follow in other Royal Family Templates. Also do you think I placed the Dowager Princess of Hawaii in the right place. Where would the consort of the former pretender go? Also I am not sure if the Dowager Princess is alive currently. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 03:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Do you think Wikipedia could get another coat of arm of Hawaii other than the Kameeiamoku and Kamanawa one? Did not Kalakaua had his personal coat of arm ( SEE HERE). This is not the best pic. Does a monarchy have to two emblem; one that represents the state, i.e. a state seal, and one that symbolize the royal family, i.e. a royal coat of arm. Was the one with Kameeiamoku and Kamanawa on it ever the Royal Coat of Arm of Hawaii? Kalakaua emblem should represent the Kawananakoas, their heirs unless they have a coat of arm of their own. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 04:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Also what was the official name of the Kingdom of Hawaii. Was it the of the Hawaiian Islands or of Hawaii? The title of the monarch is King/Queen of the Hawaiian Islands or King/Queen of the Hawaii. Ignoring the Sandwich Islands reference, I have seen both of these in the 19th century Hawaiian legal documents and treaties. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 04:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Is the article 'Ewa Villages, Hawaii the same as an article about the Ewa District? I notice on the map that Ewa Village barely took up a dot on the map of Oahu and the Ewa District should be like a sixths of the island. I was wondering if the name origin of the district derived through Ewauli, the son of Laakona. Or if Ewauli was named after the district.
Any idea what to do about this? He is now rampaging all over Extraordinary rendition by the United States, removing well sourced material and adding "allegedly" at every opportunity as well as creating reams of talk page discussion by asking the same (pretty dumb) questions over and over, and accusing people of not engaging with him when they eventually give up. Even aside from POV issues, he is editing in areas where he is astonishingly ignorant of some pretty basic facts and seems incapable of understanding fairly simple concepts. That would be fine if he were merely copy-editing or whatever, but he is making substantial changes. -- Nickhh ( talk) 10:42, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María ( habla con migo) 14:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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Again, hi! Optigan13 ( talk) 00:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Viriditas. You reverted my edit on Amnesty International.
Please forgive my relative newness to Wikipedia - I don't know whether I've broken a tenet of the site or whether you disagree with my edit. If you have the time, I'd appreciate you setting me right.
Thanks, Jumpmanlounge ( talk) 02:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
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That is so wicked, I wish I'd thought of it first! :P
Thanks for welcoming me back Viriditas :) However, I didn't say that, though at one time I think I publicly stated that I wished I'd never started WP:AN... probably quite a rash comment as it's definitely useful. The main reason I said it was that I saw a lot of people being admins, wikipedia name space editors, DRVers and not actually trying to improve the content of Wikipedia. I don't think much has changed since then, but I'm happy to be a wikignome. Unfortuately, it's far too easy to get sucked into controversy, as I did when I made a simple gesture of disgust of Kelly Martin's talk page.
But... I am back now, though I'm starting off slowly as I have a few very important real life concerns that take up a lot of my time. :) - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I can deliver the newsletter next week sometime after Oct 1 14:20 UTC, will that be ok or do you think that's too late? We can always sign it up for bot delivery, though I would miss feeling at least a little useful sending it out every month : ) -- MPerel 18:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Yikes, somehow I didn't calculate the UTC right, did I?! I should have said after Oct 2 2:20, I was only off by 12 hours! I'm sure you figured that out. Sorry (:/ It looks like the newsletter is still in process anyway, let me know and I can deliver whenever it's ready. -- MPerel 02:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I see you reverted my edits to dioxin, which I sort of expected. Did you read my comments on the Talk page? Unfortunately these pages are poorly organized, and the chemical to which the dioxin page refers is not the chemical intended by 99.9% of uses of the term "dioxin". For example, note that the Maine reference refers to "dioxin", and points to an EPA reference [1]. The EPA reference specifically refers to 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-Dioxin (TCDD) and Related Compounds, that is, TCDD and other PCDDs. Note that the molecular structure on the EPA page is TCDD and looks nothing like the one on the dioxin page. The EPA is not interested in the dioxin described on the dioxin page. Really, the dioxin page should be renamed as it is extremely misleading.
I am retired from wikipedia after 5,000 edits and having gotten sick of pointless arguments, but this page is just out and out wrong. I'd suggest you revert back, but I'm not going to edit war about it -- it's just another opportunity to warn my students about treating sources critically. thanks, 76.19.197.209 ( talk) 13:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I've left my mean (no, just kidding) reply here: User_talk:TheRationalGuitarist#Edvard_Grieg TheRationalGuitarist ( talk) 16:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. If you check my talk page again, you'll notice I added a little paragraph... ;) All the best, TheRationalGuitarist ( talk) 16:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure, would love to! I've actually already fixed the Magnum, P.I. article I notice listed there. Where do I post general advise? If on the talk page, could you introduce the topic by adding a thread? - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hey, I'm back for a bit, so I hope I can help you with the Newsletter for November. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 19:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
One thought -- could we possibly move the whole draft page to the article side of the same page? I think the in-line comments work good for some stuff, but we might want to have more conceptual discussion at times, so a real talk page might help. Also I keep being reminded to sign my posts -- a minor "talk page" hazard! Mahalo, --Laualoha 19:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, me again. I have improved a bit so far, yet still have lots to learn. Please tell me when you have more time, my question:If I put an article into Wikisource, how long before anyone can link or cite it? Arilang1234 ( talk) 06:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
MIT is the real one, the MIT. The essay is from a blog though, I suppose if I search hard enough I might be able to obtain the essay on print. That means I have to get a copy of the book, scan it and upload it somehow. Another question, if the text is in zh,do I have to do it on zh.wikisource only, or can I do it on en.wikisource at the same time? Arilang1234 ( talk) 09:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Professor is one of the very few Chinese scholar who are brave enough to state the facts on Manchu's tyranny on ethnic Han race. So it is very important to have professor's work enter into wiki's permanent archive. Arilang1234 ( talk) 10:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, me again. I am writing on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Weishi. I am trying to input the essay 'Modernisation and History Textbooks' onto Yuan Weishi's page, who is the author of the essay, which was originally written in Chinese. Can you have a look and give me some advice on how to improve it overall? After that I intend to turn 'Modernisation and History Textbooks' into an independent article, can you advice me on how to do it? Arilang1234 ( talk) 22:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Reporter: The world thinks that the sentence in your essay :"We grew up drinking wolf milk" crossed the line for hinting that the Communist Party are the wolves.
Yuan: You are simplifying the problem that way. The "wolf" in the essay refers to a certain xenophobia among the Chinese since the 19th century. It is a certain narrow nationalism. It is a thought process that wants to make the class struggle expansive, absolute and unilaterial. I am not pointing at the Communist Party. I was talking about the thought process that wants to use simplified concepts to describe history in order to harm people.
On second thought, the project tags really don't seem like they belong there. I guess I should've thought twice before adding them. — Kal (talk) 07:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
is a hoax because it goes to great length explaining the behavior by magnetic phenomena. However, what it says, without really describing it well, is that V= f(I, integral Idt) in some way. This would indeed resemble the magnetic behavior of storage ferrites with a rectangular b/h hysteresis curve by moving Bloch walls. But the explanation doesn't explain it like that. So far the article is crap. 70.137.179.88 ( talk) 09:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, well explained mathematical coverage in literature, as is available for e.g. the storage ferrites. Or a lack thereof, to be precise. 70.137.179.88 ( talk) 20:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear Viriditas,
I've read the BLP and I think you are right. I didn't know that content which may be harmful for living people should not be added to articles though they may be true. This was the same case on Thalía, many people say that including realistic fans, though you are not supposed to find any autentical source for it, as "official" sources (not included blogs and forums) are not supposed to write such things down. What I don't like is when people delete or revert my editions without a reason given. (I usually revert controversial content deletion or editing if I was not given a reason for it.) So, thank you for your explanation, now I see.
Regards, -- El Mexicano ( talk) 11:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to bring this to your attention, and I strongly suggest that this be one of the Newsletter's topics. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 22:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you added current to an article which it doesn't technically (?) fit at. Please see the discussion at Template talk:Current to help clear up the confusion over this template. NJGW ( talk) 12:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to add my comment. I am reading Overthrown by Stephen Kinzer. As to whether one can say that the overthrow did not take place by Americans but by Hawaiians, because it was planned and carried out by people who were born in Hawaii-
Stephen Kinzer says on page 18, "It was a daring plan, but how could the rebels prevent Hawaiians, including the queen's own household guards, from rising up to defend their monarch? The answer lay off shore. Resting at anchor near Pearl Harbor was the BOSTON, a 3,000-ton cruiser that was one of the most modern warships in United States Navy."
Then Kinzer appears to quote from Shoal of Time: A History of the Hawaiian Islands. John L. Stephens and Lorrin Thurston, the two most important to this overthrow were both born in Maine. page 25, at 5:00pm, 162 AMERICAN marines and sailors landed at a pier at the foot of Nuuana Avenue Honolulu
Lastly as the Government of the United States ADMITTED to this overthrow, I don't see where the argument is.
Aicram62 ( talk) 22:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Marcia What will it take to get this work undisputed?
I am putting everything related to the island of Maui into the Maui category. Towns in Maui County and on the island of Maui would seem to make sense to be put into both categories. Xnatedawgx ( talk) 05:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree with your interpretation of the essay and about the tagging system needing a major overhaul. Standardization would improve it considerably. I am interested in seeing what you've been dealing with. Thanks! -- momoricks talk 23:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, I agree, this is a recentism.
The thing is this guy was my friend and I wanted to commemorate him... Let's just leave this information for one week, so people can see it and then I'll delete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genezyp ( talk • contribs) 17:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok. The article can be moved back, but I think on Monk's Music it is without comma, so that should be left as it is. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 05:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Your criticism about the info i added about Bishop Museum to its article and to the Falls of Clyde article has merit. I had just quickly added, perhaps too quickly, the current NYTimes article about the Falls of Clyde to the ship article, and then copied it to the Bishop Museum article later. The Falls of Clyde is more my direct interest as i develop articles about National Historic Landmarks. I think that some mention of the apparent scandal about the ship is appropriate in both articles, but i agree that the intro is not necessarily the place for it and that a more balanced discussion is appropriate. I'll comment to the talk pages and/or edit the articles somewhat, but I would also welcome your help in refining the treatment in the articles. doncram ( talk) 16:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear Viriditas, theres abt 600 000 african elephants, at least 45% of semiadult or adult age. Those males represent roughly 50% of the species. None of those over 250 000 elephants live in matriarchaty, but they still belong to Loxodonta africana, so the species is not a matriarchat species at all. So, Im sorry, although you read this in some books, its not true. Most of them go back to what Cynthia Moss wrote in 1988, but she never ment that the whole species lives in matriarchaty, and a reader of the books must also clearly understand this.
On the other hand, I doubt that theres anything like patriarchaty exisiting in the mammal world. Those terms are not used by ethologists at all, as far as I know.
The whole meaning of using the term matriarchaty in a wikipedia article becomes extremely desinformative: people may actually belive that adult males subordinates under the females.
But they dont. Adult males in captivity sometimes rape the females, even their daughters, and they can even kill females, as last year in Ramat Gan Zoo in Tel Aviv.
The term is not relevant for the different species of elephants.
I will remove it once again, but dont intend to edit fight with you. If you cant see the logic in what I explain, I guess we must list the article as POV, since the term matriarchaty among elephants is in fact POV itself, it has been used by female authors, that closed their eyes fr 50% of the worlds living elephants. But wikipedia should reflect facts and not feministic POV.
with best wishes, Dan Koehl ( talk) 15:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Thats a lie, Im not using the term differently than everyone else, and yes the fastest and easiest source to provide is wikipedia, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant the article tells clearly that females and males live very diffenrently. But they both belong to Loxodonta africana. So choosing the term which has been correctly, or not correctly, used to describe the social structure of females within african elephants, as a general term for the whole species, is extremely wrong.
Im not sure how to describe this more clearly, but maybe like this:
Lets say we have a new species of rhinos, the space rhino, females are living on the Moon, and the males are living om Mars, and they meet halfway for mating.
In that case it would be wrong to say that space rhinos live on the moon, because 50% of them doesn not even put their foot there.
Is it easier to understand what I mean in this way?
Dan Koehl ( talk) 17:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Regardless how many sources you refer to, elephants are NOT living in matriarchaty. I can show several sources stating Napolenon was a very short man, although he wasnt. Wikipedia was developed in order to supply correct information, not repeat misunderstandings, regardless how many sources that repeats them.
Dan Koehl ( talk) 16:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I've replied re Category:Health risks on my talk page.
Btw, purely by coincidence (cosmic?) I just came across the CFD, etc. for Category:Animal rights activists -- and I thoroughly agree that it ought to be used as intended. What a ridiculous situation. Cgingold ( talk) 12:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I just realized that I never thanked you for your comments on my editor review page. So Thank You!-- Captain-tucker ( talk) 13:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Greetings Viriditas - thanks for your edit to Coltrane's Blue Train (album). I have just posted a comment at the Talk:Van Gelder Studio regarding a possible cause for confusion over the two studios VG used. I'm going to remove your edit at the studio article (pasting it on talk page) pending further discussion. Your feedback would be welcome. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 14:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey Viriditas, its good to see you editing again. It looks like we both moved on to different subjects but I hope to see around nonetheless.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
To the firehose of verbiage. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 15:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up, when I first started 3-4 years ago we didn't yet have the strict referencing rules, so I made dozens if not hundreds of similar articles (the articles on even the 9/11 hijackers didn't have any references until "recently"ish). I always hate seeing them nominated for deletion for lacking sources, because I wish people would just do what you do, call my attention to them and I'll fix them. Thanks again. Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 21:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
From WP:MOSIMAGE, "Start an article with a right-aligned lead image. This image is often resized to about 300px." Making it any smaller tha 250 leaves ugly amounts of white space around the image in the infobox. David Underdown ( talk) 10:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
How's that? – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 18:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello Viriditas!
I was looking at this page and I thought of you. List of Native Hawaiians. You know alot about Hawaii, right? Could you take a look at it?
Take for Example the inclusion of Keanu Reeves. Yes, he's a "native Hawaiian", in the sense that I'm a "Native New Yorker". Eveyone understands "Native New Yorker" to mean "born and raised and from New York State". We don't usually call the Native Americans here "Native New Yorkers." We call them Mohawks or Senecas or whatever they happen to be, or just "Indians" or "Native Americans."
So if I'm a "Native New Yorker", then I suppose Reeves can be said to be a "Native Hawaiian". But the Keanu Reeves article says that he's half white and half Asian. So he's not what I'll call an "Ethnic Hawaiian".
This is just an example. Most of the people on the list are probably at least in some percentage "Ethnic Hawaiians", I suppose, but are others either just "ethnic" in the W.A.S.P.-ish American sence of the word, and from Hawaii? And then there is the question of people like Don Ho who are a complicated mish-mash of things, it turns out, not just Chinese, as I had thought, although he seems to be about 50% Chinese and a bunch of other stuff, including at least a little ethnic Hawaiian.
What I think happened was the list was started by someone who understood the term to mean one thing, and then contributors came along and in good faith tried to expand it, but didn't understand the term in the same way.
All it's supposed to be is one more in a group of list "articles" of ethnic Americans, including everything from Albanian Americans to Irish Americans to Bangladeshi Americans and Italian Americans and so on and so on.
So I noticed the problem and thought of you; that you might be interested. Chrisrus ( talk) 03:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Ps. Been busy, but I still want to get back to the Koko project. Any news on the location in Maui?
Thanks!
Chrisrus Chrisrus ( talk) 03:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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Dear Viriditas:
I am currently taking a Computer Information Systems Class in my MBA program, and we are studying a range of Web 2.0 tools. Our latest assignment is to interview an active "Wikipedian," and I was wondering if you might be willing to help me with that request. I first noticed your username when I was viewing the history of the "John Coltrane" entry, as I am a big jazz fan. If you'd be willing, we could conduct the interview either here on wikipedia or via email. I just have a few brief questions and I imagine this wouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes of your time. If you are unable to assist, I certainly understand.
Thanks in advance for your time.
Sincerely,
JB5980 ( talk) 15:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Viriditas, Thanks for the Barnstar. As you note, I'm not around much. This article Rima Morrell has reappeared. It needs work and I don't know when I'll be able to get to it. Hope you're well. Makana Chai ( talk) 17:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Viriditas. Thought you might like to be aware that another attempt is now underway to improve the content of this article. As someone who previously attempted to moderate Milomedes longterm WP:OWN issues there, your advice on the subject would be very welcome - particularly as he's become abusive and obstructionist with everyone involved in the current process, as per usual. -- Gene_poole ( talk) 06:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I just had another look at [ User_talk:Kamayav] and still feel sad that WP didn't have room for a 3rd world agricultural scientist. Admin wrongly accusing him of spamming, editor removing material and claiming POV without any source or even response to request for cites. Anyway I hope we do better next time. SmithBlue ( talk) 15:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
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Did you ever respond to my Kingdom of Oahu infobox? I need some help and a little opinions. Also do you know if Wikipedia has a map of Maui County without Molokai? KAVEBEAR ( talk) 06:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
No need to give anymore. because these book are out of my reach. Plus I think the article is getting to wording. So thanks for the information. And two of them will be helpful for me in the Kukaniloko Birthstones article. Also do you know the status of John Young's Homestead? Is it one of Register of Historic Places of Hawaii? The ruined still exist. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 02:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I just created a page for Moku'ula, but started from a red link of Moku`ula. How can I make it so that people searching for Moku ula, Moku'ula, or Moku`ula all end up on the right page? I'm sure this question comes up a lot with Hawaiian entries. Thanks. Shannon.wianecki ( talk) 05:50, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
What Users do you know that can tell me something about Hanaiakamalama? It involves a potrait. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 01:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Try this site . Other than this I can't find a thing.
I starting one of the Davis and Young family. See if it make since to you here. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 06:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:DENY should apply to this situation equally as well as it does to vandals, IMO. I respectfully suggest you leave the editor to his/her talk page. As I suggested at the AN/I, and concerning which the editor appeared to want to take heed, "no more comments on the editor's talk page, no more communication from the editor to this thread... and absolutely no response to comments the editor might make on his/her talk or archive page, no matter how unfairly you/we might feel the editor is misrepresenting yours or others' words." Trust me, the record is clear enough without further escalating matters. Whether this frankly strange misunderstanding is deliberate or not on his/her part (I count two "thank you"s, one "no offence", and one outright apology from you on that archive page), I don't think anything is served by continuing. The community will speak soon enough. Steve T • C 22:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Didn't the Niihauans refused to vote about Statehood or were they agaisn't Statehood all together? I don't know the view of the natives on Niihau about Hawaiian sovereignity but it should be added on to that section. Read this about the sovereignity movement of the Kingdom of Atooi. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 23:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Viriditas, There is some disagreement between myself and another user as to whether or not the fact that Mortenson's parents were Lutheran missionaries should be in the article (e.g., see [ this). Here is User:Tauheed ashraf explanation on the issue. Can you please offer an outside opinion here? Thanks, Renee ( talk) 11:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Heeeeeeeeeeeey! You found a picture, you are AWESOME!! -- MPerel 04:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
I dont have a reference for my edit on Hippie. I wrote it from my own experience of growing up in Kathmandu. So you may remove it if you have to. Kathmandu2007 ( talk) 20:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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For all your great work on The Prestige. It has been a pleasure working with you and I hope to do so agan in the future. Corn.u.co.pia ŢĐЌ Disc.us.sion 06:02, 26 July 2008 (UTC) |
Dear Viriditas, Nope, haven't heard anything from Tauheed. If it really does put Mortenson at risk then I don't want to push it; I really respect and value all that he's doing. Regarding the images, I've tried showing him before but he doesn't seem to upload them correctly (he's uploaded plenty, but then they're deleted). I don't know if his email is enabled? Great work on the Hawaii pages, by the way. Which is your favorite island and why? (We're planning to move there for a three year stint sometime soon.) Renee ( talk) 04:02, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
My dear Viriditas, THANK you for your kind award, though honestly, I barely approach one tenth of all the work you do (which goes far too often unrecognized). It is a genuine pleasure collaborating with you on the Hawaii Project and other editing efforts. I'll see you around for the upcoming newsletter. : ) -- MPerel 05:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you edit the picture to HIDE the eyed pyramid as well ?
You state that the content of my remark can not be verified! Just look at the picture! Is it a fake picture ? lolll Who are you ? Why do you erase what I wrote ?
My answer : you are paid to protect the NWO men that this eyed pyramid exactly represent. So who pays you ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 911allo ( talk • contribs) 13:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for the awesome work that you and Joe Wright have done regarding the American origins of the Burrito. Also, the discussion page is way more entertaining than is the main page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.106.125 ( talk) 21:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the link - I wasn't aware of it. Not sure we can make much use of it though, given that it simply repeats the sort of nonsensical, contradictory and unsubstantiated babble that largely comprises the "prince's" Vikesland website - and which he customarily defends by resorting to explosive hysteria, personal attacks, outright deceit and threats of legal action whenever asked to actually substantiate his assertions. -- Gene_poole ( talk) 08:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually it is on the talk page. I nominated Stranger in a Strange Land (Lost). The article I think you are looking at is Stranger in a Strange Land. Mine is about an episode of Lost, not a book. -- Mr.crabby (Talk) 15:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I think you did a good job in your edits to Sicko, as I agree with most of them. I don't agree with all of them, but I think that in general, they do a good job of condensing details into general summaries, and in the case of Kennewick, removing info irrelevant to the Plot that is already covered under Criticism. (I don't recall for certain, but it's possible that that latter bit was placed there by me, so thanks for fixing it). There is one thing I'd like to clarify, though: You stated that you removed the passage regarding Hannity's interview with Browning with the Edit Summary: "Removed surreptitious advertisement for Stuart Browning's film. No source available for Hannity interview or reason why this is notable" As the person who (IIRC) added that material, this passage was not intended as an advertisement, surreptitious or otherwise for that film. I haven't seen that film, nor do I have any connection with him. It was added because it was relevant to criticism of the film. Since the url is plainly visible in the Edit Field and in the saved References section, I don't see how this is "surreptitious", unless you're referring to the lack of the www. prefix, which was simply an oversight, one that I fixed. As for the lack of a source, apparently what happened was that the video was removed from that YouTube user's page, and therefore, someone removed the lack without finding a replacement source or placing a citation request tag. I found a replacement for it, but please do not accuse other editors of such intent unless you can establish it to the exclusion of other possible ones. Doing this could be construed as a violation of WP:Civility and WP:Assume Good Faith. Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 17:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I just want to commend you for how well this newsletter is turning out. I responded to your second question at the News Bureau, which I hope is better than my first answer. Thanks for being such an essential role in WikiProject Hawaii. Kudos to you! – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 19:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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Can I cahnge to view of this to showing only the name but allowing the other info to be viewed? KAVEBEAR ( talk) 23:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Check Talk:List of characters in A Kindred Spirit to see my prob.
I'm doing something wrong, but I can't figure it out. I've uploaded lots of photos to Wikipedia, so I know I know how to do it. Tonight, I uploaded an aerial photo of Lihue for the Lihue page (to replace an image that doesn't really fit). But the image isn't showing up in the article. Also, the preview isn't showing up in the lihue-hawaii-aerial.jpg image page. I can't figure out what I did wrong. Can you? -- Christopher Polihale ( talk) 03:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for four years of prolific, high quality contributions! You are a gem and greatly appreciated. Btw I love your edit summary here : ) -- MPerel 05:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I know it was moved a long time ago, but I would like to reconsider the page move from Gerard K. O'Neill to Gerard O'Neill. I left a comment about this on the article's talk page. Wronkiew ( talk) 05:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
You did three edits to my talk page several minutes apart earlier in the past couple hours followed by an additional edit by MPerel, also a WP Hawaii list member....and then suddenly, an edit credited to me shows a couple thousand bytes missing. I tried to restore the edit credited to MPerel but the utility doesn't allow the edit credited to him/her to be 'restored'.....this, unless my wiki naievete has me deceived, smells like a bot.....help! bentnhaf ( talk) 07:32, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for helping with the page move. I was unsure how to do that without losing the edit history; I'm glad you handled it. Newportm ( talk) 05:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
...'cept this time I caught myself. I went down to the "edit this page" link @ the bottom in order to see the Werdnabot template code w/ the header on/off switch you told me about. After fooling with it a bit, I decided to leave the header off and exited the edit page.....and almost everything disappeared.
I immediately went to the history page and went through the entire restoration procedure...it was unsuccessful.
Can you go back in and restore the last edit that shows 31,797 Bytes and restore it?
Catching myself this time proves that it wasn't what I did that vaporized the content but that it was the limitation of my Palm technology that couldn't handle the task. Until I get access to more powerful technology, I won't try that again. --- bentnhaf ( talk) 02:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
...Try to edit by section heading only.
...You may have to enable section editing in My preferences > Editing. The trick to doing that for the first section (section 0) is to set the section number to zero with "User_talk:Bentnhaf&action=edit§ion=0" in the URL.
If you had done that, it would have worked. Viriditas ( talk) 03:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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Do you always keep an eye on my contribution list? Scary! :-D -- BorgQueen ( talk) 09:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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Mr Viriditas:
I added a remark on the Israel Supreme Court page. The picture of the building shows a pyramid with a circular window at the top.
I just added a note saying "Note the pyramid..." about a picture that was already present. This picture was added before me, was accepted by wikipedia.
Thus my source is wikipedia it self. It is verifiable as indeed the picture shows a pyramid.
Please tell me if you will revert my edit since it is verified.
RSVP
Michel Lauzon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 911allo ( talk • contribs) 14:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
This is incredibly impressive! What would you like me to start with? I'm not sure how to resolve the Lutheran reference? Any ideas? Best, Renee Renee ( talk) 12:19, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
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Do you think they are styled them right? I am not sure if Duccio Kaumualii is the current Marquis of Montecorona (if that is even a real title). Also should I include HRH Prince David's wife, Eleanor Lendt? I'm not sure if she still alive though. And would she be call HRH Princess Eleanor or should she be call HRH Princess David. If she is alive she would only be a princess by marriage and I can't find example like her that I could follow in other Royal Family Templates. Also do you think I placed the Dowager Princess of Hawaii in the right place. Where would the consort of the former pretender go? Also I am not sure if the Dowager Princess is alive currently. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 03:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Do you think Wikipedia could get another coat of arm of Hawaii other than the Kameeiamoku and Kamanawa one? Did not Kalakaua had his personal coat of arm ( SEE HERE). This is not the best pic. Does a monarchy have to two emblem; one that represents the state, i.e. a state seal, and one that symbolize the royal family, i.e. a royal coat of arm. Was the one with Kameeiamoku and Kamanawa on it ever the Royal Coat of Arm of Hawaii? Kalakaua emblem should represent the Kawananakoas, their heirs unless they have a coat of arm of their own. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 04:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Also what was the official name of the Kingdom of Hawaii. Was it the of the Hawaiian Islands or of Hawaii? The title of the monarch is King/Queen of the Hawaiian Islands or King/Queen of the Hawaii. Ignoring the Sandwich Islands reference, I have seen both of these in the 19th century Hawaiian legal documents and treaties. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 04:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Is the article 'Ewa Villages, Hawaii the same as an article about the Ewa District? I notice on the map that Ewa Village barely took up a dot on the map of Oahu and the Ewa District should be like a sixths of the island. I was wondering if the name origin of the district derived through Ewauli, the son of Laakona. Or if Ewauli was named after the district.
Any idea what to do about this? He is now rampaging all over Extraordinary rendition by the United States, removing well sourced material and adding "allegedly" at every opportunity as well as creating reams of talk page discussion by asking the same (pretty dumb) questions over and over, and accusing people of not engaging with him when they eventually give up. Even aside from POV issues, he is editing in areas where he is astonishingly ignorant of some pretty basic facts and seems incapable of understanding fairly simple concepts. That would be fine if he were merely copy-editing or whatever, but he is making substantial changes. -- Nickhh ( talk) 10:42, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María ( habla con migo) 14:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
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Hey Viriditas. You reverted my edit on Amnesty International.
Please forgive my relative newness to Wikipedia - I don't know whether I've broken a tenet of the site or whether you disagree with my edit. If you have the time, I'd appreciate you setting me right.
Thanks, Jumpmanlounge ( talk) 02:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
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That is so wicked, I wish I'd thought of it first! :P
Thanks for welcoming me back Viriditas :) However, I didn't say that, though at one time I think I publicly stated that I wished I'd never started WP:AN... probably quite a rash comment as it's definitely useful. The main reason I said it was that I saw a lot of people being admins, wikipedia name space editors, DRVers and not actually trying to improve the content of Wikipedia. I don't think much has changed since then, but I'm happy to be a wikignome. Unfortuately, it's far too easy to get sucked into controversy, as I did when I made a simple gesture of disgust of Kelly Martin's talk page.
But... I am back now, though I'm starting off slowly as I have a few very important real life concerns that take up a lot of my time. :) - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:33, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I can deliver the newsletter next week sometime after Oct 1 14:20 UTC, will that be ok or do you think that's too late? We can always sign it up for bot delivery, though I would miss feeling at least a little useful sending it out every month : ) -- MPerel 18:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Yikes, somehow I didn't calculate the UTC right, did I?! I should have said after Oct 2 2:20, I was only off by 12 hours! I'm sure you figured that out. Sorry (:/ It looks like the newsletter is still in process anyway, let me know and I can deliver whenever it's ready. -- MPerel 02:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I see you reverted my edits to dioxin, which I sort of expected. Did you read my comments on the Talk page? Unfortunately these pages are poorly organized, and the chemical to which the dioxin page refers is not the chemical intended by 99.9% of uses of the term "dioxin". For example, note that the Maine reference refers to "dioxin", and points to an EPA reference [1]. The EPA reference specifically refers to 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-p-Dioxin (TCDD) and Related Compounds, that is, TCDD and other PCDDs. Note that the molecular structure on the EPA page is TCDD and looks nothing like the one on the dioxin page. The EPA is not interested in the dioxin described on the dioxin page. Really, the dioxin page should be renamed as it is extremely misleading.
I am retired from wikipedia after 5,000 edits and having gotten sick of pointless arguments, but this page is just out and out wrong. I'd suggest you revert back, but I'm not going to edit war about it -- it's just another opportunity to warn my students about treating sources critically. thanks, 76.19.197.209 ( talk) 13:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I've left my mean (no, just kidding) reply here: User_talk:TheRationalGuitarist#Edvard_Grieg TheRationalGuitarist ( talk) 16:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. If you check my talk page again, you'll notice I added a little paragraph... ;) All the best, TheRationalGuitarist ( talk) 16:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure, would love to! I've actually already fixed the Magnum, P.I. article I notice listed there. Where do I post general advise? If on the talk page, could you introduce the topic by adding a thread? - Tbsdy lives (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hey, I'm back for a bit, so I hope I can help you with the Newsletter for November. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 19:36, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
One thought -- could we possibly move the whole draft page to the article side of the same page? I think the in-line comments work good for some stuff, but we might want to have more conceptual discussion at times, so a real talk page might help. Also I keep being reminded to sign my posts -- a minor "talk page" hazard! Mahalo, --Laualoha 19:15, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, me again. I have improved a bit so far, yet still have lots to learn. Please tell me when you have more time, my question:If I put an article into Wikisource, how long before anyone can link or cite it? Arilang1234 ( talk) 06:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
MIT is the real one, the MIT. The essay is from a blog though, I suppose if I search hard enough I might be able to obtain the essay on print. That means I have to get a copy of the book, scan it and upload it somehow. Another question, if the text is in zh,do I have to do it on zh.wikisource only, or can I do it on en.wikisource at the same time? Arilang1234 ( talk) 09:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Professor is one of the very few Chinese scholar who are brave enough to state the facts on Manchu's tyranny on ethnic Han race. So it is very important to have professor's work enter into wiki's permanent archive. Arilang1234 ( talk) 10:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, me again. I am writing on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Weishi. I am trying to input the essay 'Modernisation and History Textbooks' onto Yuan Weishi's page, who is the author of the essay, which was originally written in Chinese. Can you have a look and give me some advice on how to improve it overall? After that I intend to turn 'Modernisation and History Textbooks' into an independent article, can you advice me on how to do it? Arilang1234 ( talk) 22:22, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Reporter: The world thinks that the sentence in your essay :"We grew up drinking wolf milk" crossed the line for hinting that the Communist Party are the wolves.
Yuan: You are simplifying the problem that way. The "wolf" in the essay refers to a certain xenophobia among the Chinese since the 19th century. It is a certain narrow nationalism. It is a thought process that wants to make the class struggle expansive, absolute and unilaterial. I am not pointing at the Communist Party. I was talking about the thought process that wants to use simplified concepts to describe history in order to harm people.
On second thought, the project tags really don't seem like they belong there. I guess I should've thought twice before adding them. — Kal (talk) 07:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
is a hoax because it goes to great length explaining the behavior by magnetic phenomena. However, what it says, without really describing it well, is that V= f(I, integral Idt) in some way. This would indeed resemble the magnetic behavior of storage ferrites with a rectangular b/h hysteresis curve by moving Bloch walls. But the explanation doesn't explain it like that. So far the article is crap. 70.137.179.88 ( talk) 09:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, well explained mathematical coverage in literature, as is available for e.g. the storage ferrites. Or a lack thereof, to be precise. 70.137.179.88 ( talk) 20:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear Viriditas,
I've read the BLP and I think you are right. I didn't know that content which may be harmful for living people should not be added to articles though they may be true. This was the same case on Thalía, many people say that including realistic fans, though you are not supposed to find any autentical source for it, as "official" sources (not included blogs and forums) are not supposed to write such things down. What I don't like is when people delete or revert my editions without a reason given. (I usually revert controversial content deletion or editing if I was not given a reason for it.) So, thank you for your explanation, now I see.
Regards, -- El Mexicano ( talk) 11:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to bring this to your attention, and I strongly suggest that this be one of the Newsletter's topics. – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 22:32, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you added current to an article which it doesn't technically (?) fit at. Please see the discussion at Template talk:Current to help clear up the confusion over this template. NJGW ( talk) 12:36, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to add my comment. I am reading Overthrown by Stephen Kinzer. As to whether one can say that the overthrow did not take place by Americans but by Hawaiians, because it was planned and carried out by people who were born in Hawaii-
Stephen Kinzer says on page 18, "It was a daring plan, but how could the rebels prevent Hawaiians, including the queen's own household guards, from rising up to defend their monarch? The answer lay off shore. Resting at anchor near Pearl Harbor was the BOSTON, a 3,000-ton cruiser that was one of the most modern warships in United States Navy."
Then Kinzer appears to quote from Shoal of Time: A History of the Hawaiian Islands. John L. Stephens and Lorrin Thurston, the two most important to this overthrow were both born in Maine. page 25, at 5:00pm, 162 AMERICAN marines and sailors landed at a pier at the foot of Nuuana Avenue Honolulu
Lastly as the Government of the United States ADMITTED to this overthrow, I don't see where the argument is.
Aicram62 ( talk) 22:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)Marcia What will it take to get this work undisputed?
I am putting everything related to the island of Maui into the Maui category. Towns in Maui County and on the island of Maui would seem to make sense to be put into both categories. Xnatedawgx ( talk) 05:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree with your interpretation of the essay and about the tagging system needing a major overhaul. Standardization would improve it considerably. I am interested in seeing what you've been dealing with. Thanks! -- momoricks talk 23:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, I agree, this is a recentism.
The thing is this guy was my friend and I wanted to commemorate him... Let's just leave this information for one week, so people can see it and then I'll delete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genezyp ( talk • contribs) 17:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok. The article can be moved back, but I think on Monk's Music it is without comma, so that should be left as it is. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 05:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Your criticism about the info i added about Bishop Museum to its article and to the Falls of Clyde article has merit. I had just quickly added, perhaps too quickly, the current NYTimes article about the Falls of Clyde to the ship article, and then copied it to the Bishop Museum article later. The Falls of Clyde is more my direct interest as i develop articles about National Historic Landmarks. I think that some mention of the apparent scandal about the ship is appropriate in both articles, but i agree that the intro is not necessarily the place for it and that a more balanced discussion is appropriate. I'll comment to the talk pages and/or edit the articles somewhat, but I would also welcome your help in refining the treatment in the articles. doncram ( talk) 16:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Dear Viriditas, theres abt 600 000 african elephants, at least 45% of semiadult or adult age. Those males represent roughly 50% of the species. None of those over 250 000 elephants live in matriarchaty, but they still belong to Loxodonta africana, so the species is not a matriarchat species at all. So, Im sorry, although you read this in some books, its not true. Most of them go back to what Cynthia Moss wrote in 1988, but she never ment that the whole species lives in matriarchaty, and a reader of the books must also clearly understand this.
On the other hand, I doubt that theres anything like patriarchaty exisiting in the mammal world. Those terms are not used by ethologists at all, as far as I know.
The whole meaning of using the term matriarchaty in a wikipedia article becomes extremely desinformative: people may actually belive that adult males subordinates under the females.
But they dont. Adult males in captivity sometimes rape the females, even their daughters, and they can even kill females, as last year in Ramat Gan Zoo in Tel Aviv.
The term is not relevant for the different species of elephants.
I will remove it once again, but dont intend to edit fight with you. If you cant see the logic in what I explain, I guess we must list the article as POV, since the term matriarchaty among elephants is in fact POV itself, it has been used by female authors, that closed their eyes fr 50% of the worlds living elephants. But wikipedia should reflect facts and not feministic POV.
with best wishes, Dan Koehl ( talk) 15:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Thats a lie, Im not using the term differently than everyone else, and yes the fastest and easiest source to provide is wikipedia, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant the article tells clearly that females and males live very diffenrently. But they both belong to Loxodonta africana. So choosing the term which has been correctly, or not correctly, used to describe the social structure of females within african elephants, as a general term for the whole species, is extremely wrong.
Im not sure how to describe this more clearly, but maybe like this:
Lets say we have a new species of rhinos, the space rhino, females are living on the Moon, and the males are living om Mars, and they meet halfway for mating.
In that case it would be wrong to say that space rhinos live on the moon, because 50% of them doesn not even put their foot there.
Is it easier to understand what I mean in this way?
Dan Koehl ( talk) 17:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Regardless how many sources you refer to, elephants are NOT living in matriarchaty. I can show several sources stating Napolenon was a very short man, although he wasnt. Wikipedia was developed in order to supply correct information, not repeat misunderstandings, regardless how many sources that repeats them.
Dan Koehl ( talk) 16:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I've replied re Category:Health risks on my talk page.
Btw, purely by coincidence (cosmic?) I just came across the CFD, etc. for Category:Animal rights activists -- and I thoroughly agree that it ought to be used as intended. What a ridiculous situation. Cgingold ( talk) 12:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I just realized that I never thanked you for your comments on my editor review page. So Thank You!-- Captain-tucker ( talk) 13:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Greetings Viriditas - thanks for your edit to Coltrane's Blue Train (album). I have just posted a comment at the Talk:Van Gelder Studio regarding a possible cause for confusion over the two studios VG used. I'm going to remove your edit at the studio article (pasting it on talk page) pending further discussion. Your feedback would be welcome. Cheers! -- Technopat ( talk) 14:31, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey Viriditas, its good to see you editing again. It looks like we both moved on to different subjects but I hope to see around nonetheless.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 07:14, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
To the firehose of verbiage. Short Brigade Harvester Boris ( talk) 15:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up, when I first started 3-4 years ago we didn't yet have the strict referencing rules, so I made dozens if not hundreds of similar articles (the articles on even the 9/11 hijackers didn't have any references until "recently"ish). I always hate seeing them nominated for deletion for lacking sources, because I wish people would just do what you do, call my attention to them and I'll fix them. Thanks again. Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 21:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
From WP:MOSIMAGE, "Start an article with a right-aligned lead image. This image is often resized to about 300px." Making it any smaller tha 250 leaves ugly amounts of white space around the image in the infobox. David Underdown ( talk) 10:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
How's that? – Obento Musubi ( C • G • S) 18:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello Viriditas!
I was looking at this page and I thought of you. List of Native Hawaiians. You know alot about Hawaii, right? Could you take a look at it?
Take for Example the inclusion of Keanu Reeves. Yes, he's a "native Hawaiian", in the sense that I'm a "Native New Yorker". Eveyone understands "Native New Yorker" to mean "born and raised and from New York State". We don't usually call the Native Americans here "Native New Yorkers." We call them Mohawks or Senecas or whatever they happen to be, or just "Indians" or "Native Americans."
So if I'm a "Native New Yorker", then I suppose Reeves can be said to be a "Native Hawaiian". But the Keanu Reeves article says that he's half white and half Asian. So he's not what I'll call an "Ethnic Hawaiian".
This is just an example. Most of the people on the list are probably at least in some percentage "Ethnic Hawaiians", I suppose, but are others either just "ethnic" in the W.A.S.P.-ish American sence of the word, and from Hawaii? And then there is the question of people like Don Ho who are a complicated mish-mash of things, it turns out, not just Chinese, as I had thought, although he seems to be about 50% Chinese and a bunch of other stuff, including at least a little ethnic Hawaiian.
What I think happened was the list was started by someone who understood the term to mean one thing, and then contributors came along and in good faith tried to expand it, but didn't understand the term in the same way.
All it's supposed to be is one more in a group of list "articles" of ethnic Americans, including everything from Albanian Americans to Irish Americans to Bangladeshi Americans and Italian Americans and so on and so on.
So I noticed the problem and thought of you; that you might be interested. Chrisrus ( talk) 03:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Ps. Been busy, but I still want to get back to the Koko project. Any news on the location in Maui?
Thanks!
Chrisrus Chrisrus ( talk) 03:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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Dear Viriditas:
I am currently taking a Computer Information Systems Class in my MBA program, and we are studying a range of Web 2.0 tools. Our latest assignment is to interview an active "Wikipedian," and I was wondering if you might be willing to help me with that request. I first noticed your username when I was viewing the history of the "John Coltrane" entry, as I am a big jazz fan. If you'd be willing, we could conduct the interview either here on wikipedia or via email. I just have a few brief questions and I imagine this wouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes of your time. If you are unable to assist, I certainly understand.
Thanks in advance for your time.
Sincerely,
JB5980 ( talk) 15:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Viriditas, Thanks for the Barnstar. As you note, I'm not around much. This article Rima Morrell has reappeared. It needs work and I don't know when I'll be able to get to it. Hope you're well. Makana Chai ( talk) 17:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Viriditas. Thought you might like to be aware that another attempt is now underway to improve the content of this article. As someone who previously attempted to moderate Milomedes longterm WP:OWN issues there, your advice on the subject would be very welcome - particularly as he's become abusive and obstructionist with everyone involved in the current process, as per usual. -- Gene_poole ( talk) 06:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I just had another look at [ User_talk:Kamayav] and still feel sad that WP didn't have room for a 3rd world agricultural scientist. Admin wrongly accusing him of spamming, editor removing material and claiming POV without any source or even response to request for cites. Anyway I hope we do better next time. SmithBlue ( talk) 15:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)