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I made a few changes on the Jalandhar page that you have reverted because you said that i did not cite any sources, owever i did not add new information, i just changed the wording of information that was already there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacelogomilkdude ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Adotchar,
Unfortunately, despite several attempts to help from myself and others, you're still making basic mistakes when using STiki. Your last two edits are examples of this - this edit [1] was mostly simply refactoring (you said it didn't have a reliable source), and this one [2] was simplifying overcomplicated text and you left no rationale on the user's Talk page at all!
I'm afraid, at this point, short of taking you to AN/I (which I'd rather avoid) you've left me with little alternative but to suggest you stop using STiki for the time being - the error rate hasn't reduced. I'm also pinging MusikAnimal, samtar and Kudpung to this discussion, as I'd like a second opinion on this from the person who granted you Rollback rights (enabling use of STiki) and a couple of people who I know have been (constructively) critical of your editing in the past. Mike1901 ( talk) 13:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Graeme Bartlett has already had to remove access to the New Page Reviewer group already, and I think it's fairly certain that Rollbacker will have to go too for a while, but we'll let MusikAnimal decide on that. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 14:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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←) Sorry for the delay. I've reviewed your last 100 or so contributions and I do have some concerns:
I still believe most of your counter-vandalism work is quite good, rather it seems you don't quite have down the best practices when it comes to dealing with good-faith contributions. Not everyone understands how it works, and you should try to be helpful. A personalized or more descriptive talk page message can make a world of a difference. While STiki offers it as a convenient template, I believe the article was better before you made that change
isn't a very good message to leave users after reverting their edit, as it doesn't explain why you felt the change was inappropriate. Consider at least putting some rationale in the edit summary, which I know you can easily do in STiki – but note that you can't count on the user seeing that edit summary. You also don't need to revert every unsourced edit. First consider if it is
likely to be challenged (see also
WP:MINREF), and even if it is, instead of reverting you may wish to tag it with {{
cn}}. There is a gray area that mostly involves judgement.
Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary might offer some insight.
It sounds like the biggest issue is that you are trying to do everything from the STiki interface. This is simply not feasible, nor is it with Huggle or any other software. You often have to get more hands-on and do the work manually. I agree with Mike1901 that your work outside semi-automated tools seems solid, so I will not revoke rollback rights for now. You are only around 150 mainspace edits away from having automatic STiki approval anyway (1,000 mainspace edits), and the issue I see is mostly with good-faith reverts, not blatant vandalism, which is what rollback is for. To that I will say your ability to distinguish good-faith edits from bad seems to be on-par, hence I have a hard time claiming there has been misuse of rollback. Wikipedia:Rollback#When to use rollback is nonetheless probably still worth a read. Overall I recommend continuing to patrol as you have been, but giving very careful thought when dealing with good-faith edits. Put yourself in their shoes – how would you like to be treated? Wouldn't you like to know why the edit was inappropriate? Weight out the pros and cons – is it better to leave their slightly less ideal edit so they don't feel discouraged, and instead express to them any concerns you have? Practice this for a good while and you can slowly work your way back to use of semi-automated tools. Let it be clear that persistent misuse of rollback itself moving forward will result in it being revoked. Thanks and I do appreciate you taking this feedback to heart. We know you mean well, and just as we want you to help the newbies, we want to help you help them :) — MusikAnimal talk 17:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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I made a few changes on the Jalandhar page that you have reverted because you said that i did not cite any sources, owever i did not add new information, i just changed the wording of information that was already there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacelogomilkdude ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi Adotchar,
Unfortunately, despite several attempts to help from myself and others, you're still making basic mistakes when using STiki. Your last two edits are examples of this - this edit [1] was mostly simply refactoring (you said it didn't have a reliable source), and this one [2] was simplifying overcomplicated text and you left no rationale on the user's Talk page at all!
I'm afraid, at this point, short of taking you to AN/I (which I'd rather avoid) you've left me with little alternative but to suggest you stop using STiki for the time being - the error rate hasn't reduced. I'm also pinging MusikAnimal, samtar and Kudpung to this discussion, as I'd like a second opinion on this from the person who granted you Rollback rights (enabling use of STiki) and a couple of people who I know have been (constructively) critical of your editing in the past. Mike1901 ( talk) 13:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Graeme Bartlett has already had to remove access to the New Page Reviewer group already, and I think it's fairly certain that Rollbacker will have to go too for a while, but we'll let MusikAnimal decide on that. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 14:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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←) Sorry for the delay. I've reviewed your last 100 or so contributions and I do have some concerns:
I still believe most of your counter-vandalism work is quite good, rather it seems you don't quite have down the best practices when it comes to dealing with good-faith contributions. Not everyone understands how it works, and you should try to be helpful. A personalized or more descriptive talk page message can make a world of a difference. While STiki offers it as a convenient template, I believe the article was better before you made that change
isn't a very good message to leave users after reverting their edit, as it doesn't explain why you felt the change was inappropriate. Consider at least putting some rationale in the edit summary, which I know you can easily do in STiki – but note that you can't count on the user seeing that edit summary. You also don't need to revert every unsourced edit. First consider if it is
likely to be challenged (see also
WP:MINREF), and even if it is, instead of reverting you may wish to tag it with {{
cn}}. There is a gray area that mostly involves judgement.
Wikipedia:Revert only when necessary might offer some insight.
It sounds like the biggest issue is that you are trying to do everything from the STiki interface. This is simply not feasible, nor is it with Huggle or any other software. You often have to get more hands-on and do the work manually. I agree with Mike1901 that your work outside semi-automated tools seems solid, so I will not revoke rollback rights for now. You are only around 150 mainspace edits away from having automatic STiki approval anyway (1,000 mainspace edits), and the issue I see is mostly with good-faith reverts, not blatant vandalism, which is what rollback is for. To that I will say your ability to distinguish good-faith edits from bad seems to be on-par, hence I have a hard time claiming there has been misuse of rollback. Wikipedia:Rollback#When to use rollback is nonetheless probably still worth a read. Overall I recommend continuing to patrol as you have been, but giving very careful thought when dealing with good-faith edits. Put yourself in their shoes – how would you like to be treated? Wouldn't you like to know why the edit was inappropriate? Weight out the pros and cons – is it better to leave their slightly less ideal edit so they don't feel discouraged, and instead express to them any concerns you have? Practice this for a good while and you can slowly work your way back to use of semi-automated tools. Let it be clear that persistent misuse of rollback itself moving forward will result in it being revoked. Thanks and I do appreciate you taking this feedback to heart. We know you mean well, and just as we want you to help the newbies, we want to help you help them :) — MusikAnimal talk 17:36, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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