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Hi. Could you please check my revision here and see if it makes sense? I wanted to get rid of the ugly slash, but I wasn't sure whether "and" or "or" was more appropriate—and after reading both salmon and trout and considering the taxonomic nomenclature as well as the common names, I became more and more confused about which is a subset of which (or if it's even possible to say). Rivertorch FIRE WATER 03:03, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I took a screen shot of a 'thank you' that you sent me that is slightly more humorous than the original post on the talk page. I would like you to have it. Please email me by clicking on the icon in my signature. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 09:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
This is user Allan Combs. I want to first advise you that I am not Allan Combs; my name is Steve (I was putting together a Wikipedia page for him and thought the name was appropriate). I'm writing to discuss with you revisions that you made on this page ( /info/en/?search=Allan_Combs). Firstly, thank you very much for taking out the hardcore language used to describe this person. Secondly, could we change the article in moving the final four paragraphs to the top of the essay, starting with: "As of 2017 Combs held appointments at the California Institute of Integral Studies,[2] where he built the program in consciousness studies in 2015,[3] and The Graduate Institute in Connecticut.[4] He also was Professor Emeritus at the University of North Carolina-Asheville.[5] ….” [And so on...]
This would be great, as it wouldn't begin with dyslexia... make sense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allan Combs ( talk • contribs) 17:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
It's true, Tryp...😢 I found a tribute. I am heartbroken! Atsme 📞 📧 22:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
...of this edit, I did not intend for my comment to mean that I ever did wish such a thing...maybe once I did over the course of many years...but sometimes text fails to relay one's true feelings with accuracy. My apologies if you took offense, and thank you for making us aware of your concerns. Atsme 📞 📧 18:48, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
For anyone watching here who does not also watch EEng's talkpage, do please see: User talk:EEng#Talk page stalkers! A gadget everyone should install!. Try it, you'll like it! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Atsme, from [2] it seems you don't understand what to do. Go to User:Atsme/common.js and add this at the bottom:
mw.loader.load("https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/previewAndDiff.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
You might then need to leave your browser and come back in. Then, like Tfish says, look below the edit window for the new button.
I might gently add that if you're not used to using Show changes, that might explain a lot. This feature makes it so that seeing the changes with the preview is as easy as just seeing the preview. I've found already that it's reduced the number of occasional "Dang, I should have checked again before saving that" incidents. E Eng 22:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
My long-time computer is showing signs of being on its last legs, and it will be several days before I have a new one. If I'm absent from editing for a while, that will be why, but I'll be back when I'm back up and running. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:30, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Looks like it's time. thanks. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 23:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
As you keep track of these discussions, wondering if you know of any prior discussions? I vaguely remember one but forget were it was. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Tryptofish, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh 666 21:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I just saw this edit. Is there a DS alert I missed somewhere after July 2016 (when it appears to me they were last notified)? Unless I'm forgetting a sanction in the GMO topic, it seems like they would fall in the needing a notification within 12 months to be "aware" Kingofaces43 ( talk) 00:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Rip roaring! Atsme 📞 📧 01:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
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An editor who deserves a well-deserved kudos!! Saw his name in this article defending the "take over" of our pedia. I rarely, if ever, read anything on that site unless forced to do so, but I saw mention of it on another editor's TP and couldn't resist. Atsme 📞 📧 01:17, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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Hey, Tryp - I can't seem to get Google Scholar to work on this iPad and I need to get the indexes for C.M. Sherwin, also try Chris M. Sherwin, or C. Sherwin. Can you help? You contributed a bit to his article (enough so this isn't canvassing) so you might want to take a look at the article & the TP where a comment was made about memorializing. I also commented on the noms TP but he wasn't very receptive so off to AfD he went. Not sure why he zeroed in on this one to delete instead of trying to expand it. A few projects were notified, but not the ones that shared Sherwin's field of academics. His focus area for research included turkeys, laboratory animals, veterinary biology, zoology (did some work with elephants), and entomology. I added a bit more to his article but the science is a bit out of my league, and I don't want to add more info to the article that makes things worse. I already screwed up by wikilinking to the wrong Hume fellowship but have since fixed it. Hope you can spare a bit of time to help. Atsme 📞 📧 20:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
"enough so this isn't canvassing". This looks like CANVASS to me. So we're clear, I invited you to move the article to userpace or draftspace
"until future journalism will provide the necessary sourcing", out of consideration for you. I had hoped we could continue to get along. I can only assume you didn't take me seriously. If you like, starting going through my talk page and invite my fan club to that AfD, too. Tell everyone about my accusation about these MEMORIAL articles. Chris Troutman ( talk) 21:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Well, Tryp, I respectfully disagree - he is published, cited in peer-reviewed science journals, and I finally got Google Scholar to work, and the results for C.M. Sherwin = 2526 citations, h index is 31, i10 index is 54. Per WP:ACADEMICS, he meets the criteria for #1, #4 & #7 since the citations include reputable peer-reviewed journals. He was a member of the work group that drafted the scientific risk assessment that Animal Health and Welfare adopted as their scientific opinion for the Aspects of the biology and welfare of animals used for experimental and other scientific purposes” published in the 2005 EFSA Journal. You might also want to look at his "Selected Works" on his bio. He wrote an entire chapter in the Handbook for Universities Federation for Animal Welfare among his numerous other published works (100+?), and he chaired the Ethics Committee for the International Society for Applied Ethology Council so he easily passes 1 of the criteria if not 2, possibly even 3. And don't forget - WP:Academics states: Some academics may not meet any of these criteria, but may still be notable for their academic work. It is important to note that it is very difficult to make clear requirements in terms of numbers of publications or their quality: the criteria, in practice, vary greatly by field. Also, this proposal sets the bar fairly low, which is natural: to a degree, academics live in the public arena, trying to influence others with their ideas. It is natural that successful ones should be considered notable. Gotta go - later! Atsme 📞 📧 23:28, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey, Tryp - I just wanted to say thank you for your contributions to the biography and that your collaboration was very much appreciated. Atsme 📞 📧 16:01, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
The one-eyed cyclops...and no...not what you're thinking. Atsme 📞 📧 03:03, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, actually I do want to create a polyploid pumpkin because the interspecies hybrid I crossed a few years ago only produces empty seed hulls. With only a few seeds left from the original crossing, I am going to try and soak them in a colchicine solution (under a fume hood, don't worry). Since I can't order colchicine in my country without a prescription I will need to find a way to extract it from colchicum bulbs. In one of the papers you have provided there was a reference to this book. The article on Wikipedia is properly sourced now, thanks for your help with the colchicum article. 143.176.56.102 ( talk) 09:39, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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The kids are all grown up now, so no more trick or treating for me. These days, Halloween is all about adult costume parties. I was going to end this greeting with a skeleton joke, but didn't think you'd find it humerus. Atsme 📞 📧 00:27, 28 October 2017 (UTC) |
Today if you add your age + year of your birth you will get 2017 - it only happens once in 1000th years!!! Atsme 📞 📧 03:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Your sympathy for Dr. Sherwin and the metaphorical horse being beaten to death is much appreciated. Thank you for your level head. I found it interesting that somehow the equestrian cabal (hmmm... Atsme are we a cabal yet?) is utilized as some kind of negation of intent. Sigh... I think I actually first encountered DrChrissy when I was working on Tail (horse)#Docking and the content on the (mostly) past practice of docking horses' tails. From there I did some collaboration on other articles that resulted in one of DrChrissy's very useful articles, Overview of discretionary invasive procedures on animals. Yes, poor critters all the way around, metaphoric and otherwise. Montanabw (talk) 17:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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I was about to make a new comment at Wikipedia_talk:Conflict_of_interest#RfC_-_Assessing_the_status_of_the_WP:COI_guideline when Jytdog closed it. I see his attempt at gathering some opinion as perfectly reasonable and clearly understandable. Unfortunately, there is a popular misconception that all WP:Request for comment have to be a vote on something. I have worked closely with Jytdog for several months because we were largely instrumental in bringing some test cases to bear. This has demonstrated that whatever anyone thinks, some serious consideration should be made to define COI more tightly and if necessary, convert it to a policy. Whether people would respect it more is probably beyond the point, but policies trump guidelines and it's therefore easier to enact on them. I'm sure Jyt is only trying to get feedback so that a major RfC proposal could be carefully drafted. Like me however, he is beginning to get frustrated when his efforts get constantly nipped in the bud, and I would be very disappointed if we were no longer able to count with his collaboration on these issues. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
I think that there has been way too much drama about this, and my top priority now is simply getting things back on a happier track. I'm understanding Kudpung's message to me as a friendly attempt to explain things and patch things up, and whatever Jytdog thinks of me, I have no ill will towards him.
Let's take a calm and factual look at what really happened:
I'm not taking the unWiki thing seriously, no worries. As for the rest, I guess I'm not going to convince you, and that's OK. I'm coming from a position of liking the idea of making COI a policy, so I want that effort to succeed. I'm having a hard time seeing how this RfC question is more useful than asking directly if it should be changed to be a policy, and I want to make you aware that getting it to be a policy will be a heavy lift. The community is surprisingly resistant to any kind of policy change. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
It looks to me like Bilby is indeed listening. Not finding what you (Jytdog) say is clear does not mean not listening. And I share Bilby's perception that what the RfC asks is clear, but why it asks it is not. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
There's nothing there to get worked up about. I didn't nip anything in the bud. When one opens an RfC one has to expect editors to respond, and there is no right to expect that everyone will agree with you. There was nothing there that was a reason to think that the RfC needed to end. There was nothing there that was unfriendly to Jytdog. There was nothing there that was unfriendly to what Jytdog was trying to accomplish. And there was no reason there for Jytdog to feel compelled to stop collaborating on the COI topic.
And if it was this upsetting to simply "get feedback so that a major RfC proposal could be carefully drafted", then imagine what would happen when the major RfC actually takes place. I was giving feedback, and I was just one of the editors responding. And I'm in favor of making it a policy!
It wasn't necessary for Jytdog to immediately close and archive the RfC. It could have continued, and continued to get responses. There was no reason to conclude that the community will never agree to raise it to a policy.
Jytdog did not simply close it, but posted that I "have damaged our relationship" and then called me "arrogant" at his user talk. That's unjustified. I think that Jytdog is an excellent and valued member of the editing community. He also has issues with anger management and impulse control, but WP:NOTTHERAPY. I have no ill will towards him.
Jytdog, you have some very good ideas about prior review, and you should feel free to go back and propose those. I expect that they will be well-received.
Anyway, it's only a website. Peace. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:54, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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Strike your comment at AN/I as it was not correct - Bish did not block or TB me. She issued a warning
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Is there cause for concern when my my 30-day TP view stats are only 149 views shy of EEng's? . His page is far more entertaining and witty, and should be far ahead of mine...WAAAY FAR ahead in page views. I thought it best to bring it up here since you're the one who started me looking at pageview spikes. It appears EEng's visitors are acting more like trees and leaving before the download because they don't have the patience to wait for it. Maybe we should design a low voltage banner for the top of his TP...something like - Wait for it..... Atsme 📞 📧 18:13, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Aspro - your graph was quite helpful. Would you be so kind as to add a similar graph to Alligator gar or show me how? I helped prep the alligator gar article for GA & DYK in 2014, but I can't see any stats before July 2015. Do you have a magic viewer for that? I see where pageviews spiked in July 2016 but not sure why. The original DYK template dates back to July 2014, and while I have a vague recollection of the pageviews being nothing to write home about, they weren't exactly embarrassing. Any insight you can provide regarding the numbers will be greatly appreciated. Atsme 📞 📧 01:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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How about combining a Barnstar with a Christmas Card? That is why this message is appearing on your talk page. Simultaneously and at the same time, this barnstar is conferred upon you because during this past year you worked and contributed your time to improve the encyclopedia. You also have received far too little recognition for your contributions. In addition, this is a small attempt at spreading holiday cheer. I've appreciated all the things that you have done for me. The Best of Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ and Merry Christmas 01:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Tryp, we tend to get quite a bit of IP activity at Gar, so would you compare what this abstract states about Semionotiformes VS the lede portion of the article that reads: Lepisosteiformes (or Semionotiformes), an ancient holosteian order of ray-finned fish; fossils from this order are known from the Late Jurassic onwards. The PLOS article reads (my bold): "The genera †Pliodetes, †Araripelepidotes, †Lepidotes, †Scheenstia, and †Isanichthys are lepisosteiforms, and not semionotiforms, as previously thought, and these taxa extend the stratigraphic range of the lineage leading to gars back up to the Early Jurassic." The initial change to the lede that added Semionotiformes is here. Atsme 📞 📧 23:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
:::Tryptofish, please accept these holiday wishes :) I've caused this year to end on a chord of disappointment for many, but I hope that despite my mistakes and the differences in opinion and perspectives, and regardless of what the outcome is or in what capacity I can still contribute in the coming year, we can continue working together directly or indirectly on this encyclopedic project, whose ideals are surely carried by both of our hearts. I'm hoping I have not fallen in your esteem to the level where "no hard feelings" can no longer ring true, because I highly respect you and your dedication to Wikipedia, and I sincerely wish you and your loved ones all the best for 2018.
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(Santa's Drop-in Centre) ... sends you ...
Hoping that Christmas may bless you with
peace, love and understanding... and wishing that you have a good
run in 2018!!
Happy New Year! Best wishes for 2018, — Paleo Neonate – 14:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC) |
Happy New Year! Best wishes for 2018. — Donner60 ( talk) 07:05, 31 December 2017 (UTC) |
Have no intention of taking this half-baked idea forward yet. Been thinking though, that if DrChrissy was alive today, we would not hesitate to nominate him for a WP t-shirt. That goes for many other outstanding editors that are not with us today. So been thinking.... what about a Wiki Plaque in a similar vein to Blue plaques to be placed in the editor's hall of residences. WP has long shaken off the mantel of amateurism and these plaques may encourage newbie academics to view WP as something worth spending time on. As to cost: In this day and age with computerized design and manufacture, a plaque (customized to included say he's web and spider) should not cost much more than a t-shirt. English heritage who authorize and erect Blue Plaques require at least 20 years must have passed since a candidate’s death. Think 2 years for our purposes would suffice. Aspro ( talk) 18:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for making me smile today. I'm glad you're here (and there). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 21:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC) |
...or maybe not if you sleep with cell phone close to your head! About wi-fi Atsme 📞 📧 20:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I also love vegetarians. Medium rare.Sure, They're Made Out of Meat. — Paleo Neonate – 13:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Too much meatloaf! We need some meat dresses. (no, that's not Lady Gaga.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
...something that stands out to me are the rather bad-faith-assuming references to the "anti paid editing clique". I guess the editors saying that are the "pro paid editing clique" Already observed by some of us who participates in all the various discussions about COI/PE and measures to sharpen content control, and giving us some concern. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
A little shameless plug but only because it involves Wiki Science! and something that is dear to my ❤️ regarding the American paddlefish. Regardless, look at the 5 "General images" that made the Top 25 - they're incredible! Atsme 📞 📧 22:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I've just created this page. If any of my wonderful talk page participants would be so kind as to look it over, that would be much appreciated. It's a bit technical (well, maybe a lot), so I'm interested in whether or not it's clear to nonspecialists. Please don't hesitate to edit it, or comment at its talk page. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:05, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
All the very smart watchers of my talk page, and also EEng, will be interested to know that I've done further research about this hippo campus stuff, and discovered a fascinating new story:
The DYK hooks almost write themselves, don't they? -- Tryptofish ( talk) 00:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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"And my inclination is that either Ceranthor or Floquenbeam should just go ahead and do it." I would, except I worry it could easily end up making things worse. The last thing I want to do is add a note to the block log along the lines of what I suggested, and then Tony comes back a week later, insulted because I cluttered up his block log with something he did not want or value, or that he didn't like the wording, or something. You know what I mean? I'd much rather get his buy-in. Then, if he objects to the wording or something, he can talk to Ceranthor instead and I just gracefully bow out. Do you really think unilaterally adding that to the block log without his OK is really unlikely to be harmful? -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 21:11, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
...another brain teaser, which means it's time for...Ask the doctor. The info comes from one of our favorite RS, lol. Never know till you ask. Atsme 📞 📧 17:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
That's it! I'm coming for you, fish man! FBDB ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:54, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
...the proposal we've been working on is going to be the only way to go if we ever hope to make change. I read the comments at the policy TP and can see both sides of the argument. I'm of the mind that it's unnatural for people to easily give up control/benefits in the name of prevention. I can't even think of a few who would (1) admit an action they took was either abusive or inappropriate, short of a photo of their hand in the cookie jar, or (2) would agree to adding accountability with additional rules & restrictions that will fetter some of their unfettered powers. I liken it to making Congress vote on enforcing term limits, and reducing their wages and retirement income. The wider community has to make it happen. Atsme 📞 📧 23:04, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
When you get time, please take a look at Wikipedia:Blocking_policy_proposal which was presented back in 2006. Atsme 📞 📧 15:29, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Oh, wait - Tryp, was it your intention to keep the discussions regarding policy clarifications at NLT and Blocking limited to local consensus? Atsme 📞 📧 21:13, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Hot off the presses: WP:LAZYLAZY. You're welcome! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
...I'm addicted to Thin Mints and 🍺 during Happy Hour. There must be a scientific reason for it...and no, I'm not with child...age minimum is 21 to sit at the bar. Atsme 📞 📧 00:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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August, 2017 – February, 2018
Hi. Could you please check my revision here and see if it makes sense? I wanted to get rid of the ugly slash, but I wasn't sure whether "and" or "or" was more appropriate—and after reading both salmon and trout and considering the taxonomic nomenclature as well as the common names, I became more and more confused about which is a subset of which (or if it's even possible to say). Rivertorch FIRE WATER 03:03, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I took a screen shot of a 'thank you' that you sent me that is slightly more humorous than the original post on the talk page. I would like you to have it. Please email me by clicking on the icon in my signature. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 09:16, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
This is user Allan Combs. I want to first advise you that I am not Allan Combs; my name is Steve (I was putting together a Wikipedia page for him and thought the name was appropriate). I'm writing to discuss with you revisions that you made on this page ( /info/en/?search=Allan_Combs). Firstly, thank you very much for taking out the hardcore language used to describe this person. Secondly, could we change the article in moving the final four paragraphs to the top of the essay, starting with: "As of 2017 Combs held appointments at the California Institute of Integral Studies,[2] where he built the program in consciousness studies in 2015,[3] and The Graduate Institute in Connecticut.[4] He also was Professor Emeritus at the University of North Carolina-Asheville.[5] ….” [And so on...]
This would be great, as it wouldn't begin with dyslexia... make sense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allan Combs ( talk • contribs) 17:39, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
It's true, Tryp...😢 I found a tribute. I am heartbroken! Atsme 📞 📧 22:30, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
...of this edit, I did not intend for my comment to mean that I ever did wish such a thing...maybe once I did over the course of many years...but sometimes text fails to relay one's true feelings with accuracy. My apologies if you took offense, and thank you for making us aware of your concerns. Atsme 📞 📧 18:48, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
For anyone watching here who does not also watch EEng's talkpage, do please see: User talk:EEng#Talk page stalkers! A gadget everyone should install!. Try it, you'll like it! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Atsme, from [2] it seems you don't understand what to do. Go to User:Atsme/common.js and add this at the bottom:
mw.loader.load("https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/previewAndDiff.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
You might then need to leave your browser and come back in. Then, like Tfish says, look below the edit window for the new button.
I might gently add that if you're not used to using Show changes, that might explain a lot. This feature makes it so that seeing the changes with the preview is as easy as just seeing the preview. I've found already that it's reduced the number of occasional "Dang, I should have checked again before saving that" incidents. E Eng 22:16, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
My long-time computer is showing signs of being on its last legs, and it will be several days before I have a new one. If I'm absent from editing for a while, that will be why, but I'll be back when I'm back up and running. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:30, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Looks like it's time. thanks. Alanscottwalker ( talk) 23:47, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
As you keep track of these discussions, wondering if you know of any prior discussions? I vaguely remember one but forget were it was. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 15:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi Tryptofish, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh 666 21:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I just saw this edit. Is there a DS alert I missed somewhere after July 2016 (when it appears to me they were last notified)? Unless I'm forgetting a sanction in the GMO topic, it seems like they would fall in the needing a notification within 12 months to be "aware" Kingofaces43 ( talk) 00:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Rip roaring! Atsme 📞 📧 01:59, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
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Hey, Tryp - I can't seem to get Google Scholar to work on this iPad and I need to get the indexes for C.M. Sherwin, also try Chris M. Sherwin, or C. Sherwin. Can you help? You contributed a bit to his article (enough so this isn't canvassing) so you might want to take a look at the article & the TP where a comment was made about memorializing. I also commented on the noms TP but he wasn't very receptive so off to AfD he went. Not sure why he zeroed in on this one to delete instead of trying to expand it. A few projects were notified, but not the ones that shared Sherwin's field of academics. His focus area for research included turkeys, laboratory animals, veterinary biology, zoology (did some work with elephants), and entomology. I added a bit more to his article but the science is a bit out of my league, and I don't want to add more info to the article that makes things worse. I already screwed up by wikilinking to the wrong Hume fellowship but have since fixed it. Hope you can spare a bit of time to help. Atsme 📞 📧 20:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
"enough so this isn't canvassing". This looks like CANVASS to me. So we're clear, I invited you to move the article to userpace or draftspace
"until future journalism will provide the necessary sourcing", out of consideration for you. I had hoped we could continue to get along. I can only assume you didn't take me seriously. If you like, starting going through my talk page and invite my fan club to that AfD, too. Tell everyone about my accusation about these MEMORIAL articles. Chris Troutman ( talk) 21:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Well, Tryp, I respectfully disagree - he is published, cited in peer-reviewed science journals, and I finally got Google Scholar to work, and the results for C.M. Sherwin = 2526 citations, h index is 31, i10 index is 54. Per WP:ACADEMICS, he meets the criteria for #1, #4 & #7 since the citations include reputable peer-reviewed journals. He was a member of the work group that drafted the scientific risk assessment that Animal Health and Welfare adopted as their scientific opinion for the Aspects of the biology and welfare of animals used for experimental and other scientific purposes” published in the 2005 EFSA Journal. You might also want to look at his "Selected Works" on his bio. He wrote an entire chapter in the Handbook for Universities Federation for Animal Welfare among his numerous other published works (100+?), and he chaired the Ethics Committee for the International Society for Applied Ethology Council so he easily passes 1 of the criteria if not 2, possibly even 3. And don't forget - WP:Academics states: Some academics may not meet any of these criteria, but may still be notable for their academic work. It is important to note that it is very difficult to make clear requirements in terms of numbers of publications or their quality: the criteria, in practice, vary greatly by field. Also, this proposal sets the bar fairly low, which is natural: to a degree, academics live in the public arena, trying to influence others with their ideas. It is natural that successful ones should be considered notable. Gotta go - later! Atsme 📞 📧 23:28, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Hey, Tryp - I just wanted to say thank you for your contributions to the biography and that your collaboration was very much appreciated. Atsme 📞 📧 16:01, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
The one-eyed cyclops...and no...not what you're thinking. Atsme 📞 📧 03:03, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, actually I do want to create a polyploid pumpkin because the interspecies hybrid I crossed a few years ago only produces empty seed hulls. With only a few seeds left from the original crossing, I am going to try and soak them in a colchicine solution (under a fume hood, don't worry). Since I can't order colchicine in my country without a prescription I will need to find a way to extract it from colchicum bulbs. In one of the papers you have provided there was a reference to this book. The article on Wikipedia is properly sourced now, thanks for your help with the colchicum article. 143.176.56.102 ( talk) 09:39, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
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The kids are all grown up now, so no more trick or treating for me. These days, Halloween is all about adult costume parties. I was going to end this greeting with a skeleton joke, but didn't think you'd find it humerus. Atsme 📞 📧 00:27, 28 October 2017 (UTC) |
Today if you add your age + year of your birth you will get 2017 - it only happens once in 1000th years!!! Atsme 📞 📧 03:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Your sympathy for Dr. Sherwin and the metaphorical horse being beaten to death is much appreciated. Thank you for your level head. I found it interesting that somehow the equestrian cabal (hmmm... Atsme are we a cabal yet?) is utilized as some kind of negation of intent. Sigh... I think I actually first encountered DrChrissy when I was working on Tail (horse)#Docking and the content on the (mostly) past practice of docking horses' tails. From there I did some collaboration on other articles that resulted in one of DrChrissy's very useful articles, Overview of discretionary invasive procedures on animals. Yes, poor critters all the way around, metaphoric and otherwise. Montanabw (talk) 17:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
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I was about to make a new comment at Wikipedia_talk:Conflict_of_interest#RfC_-_Assessing_the_status_of_the_WP:COI_guideline when Jytdog closed it. I see his attempt at gathering some opinion as perfectly reasonable and clearly understandable. Unfortunately, there is a popular misconception that all WP:Request for comment have to be a vote on something. I have worked closely with Jytdog for several months because we were largely instrumental in bringing some test cases to bear. This has demonstrated that whatever anyone thinks, some serious consideration should be made to define COI more tightly and if necessary, convert it to a policy. Whether people would respect it more is probably beyond the point, but policies trump guidelines and it's therefore easier to enact on them. I'm sure Jyt is only trying to get feedback so that a major RfC proposal could be carefully drafted. Like me however, he is beginning to get frustrated when his efforts get constantly nipped in the bud, and I would be very disappointed if we were no longer able to count with his collaboration on these issues. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:32, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
I think that there has been way too much drama about this, and my top priority now is simply getting things back on a happier track. I'm understanding Kudpung's message to me as a friendly attempt to explain things and patch things up, and whatever Jytdog thinks of me, I have no ill will towards him.
Let's take a calm and factual look at what really happened:
I'm not taking the unWiki thing seriously, no worries. As for the rest, I guess I'm not going to convince you, and that's OK. I'm coming from a position of liking the idea of making COI a policy, so I want that effort to succeed. I'm having a hard time seeing how this RfC question is more useful than asking directly if it should be changed to be a policy, and I want to make you aware that getting it to be a policy will be a heavy lift. The community is surprisingly resistant to any kind of policy change. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:00, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
It looks to me like Bilby is indeed listening. Not finding what you (Jytdog) say is clear does not mean not listening. And I share Bilby's perception that what the RfC asks is clear, but why it asks it is not. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
There's nothing there to get worked up about. I didn't nip anything in the bud. When one opens an RfC one has to expect editors to respond, and there is no right to expect that everyone will agree with you. There was nothing there that was a reason to think that the RfC needed to end. There was nothing there that was unfriendly to Jytdog. There was nothing there that was unfriendly to what Jytdog was trying to accomplish. And there was no reason there for Jytdog to feel compelled to stop collaborating on the COI topic.
And if it was this upsetting to simply "get feedback so that a major RfC proposal could be carefully drafted", then imagine what would happen when the major RfC actually takes place. I was giving feedback, and I was just one of the editors responding. And I'm in favor of making it a policy!
It wasn't necessary for Jytdog to immediately close and archive the RfC. It could have continued, and continued to get responses. There was no reason to conclude that the community will never agree to raise it to a policy.
Jytdog did not simply close it, but posted that I "have damaged our relationship" and then called me "arrogant" at his user talk. That's unjustified. I think that Jytdog is an excellent and valued member of the editing community. He also has issues with anger management and impulse control, but WP:NOTTHERAPY. I have no ill will towards him.
Jytdog, you have some very good ideas about prior review, and you should feel free to go back and propose those. I expect that they will be well-received.
Anyway, it's only a website. Peace. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:54, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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Is there cause for concern when my my 30-day TP view stats are only 149 views shy of EEng's? . His page is far more entertaining and witty, and should be far ahead of mine...WAAAY FAR ahead in page views. I thought it best to bring it up here since you're the one who started me looking at pageview spikes. It appears EEng's visitors are acting more like trees and leaving before the download because they don't have the patience to wait for it. Maybe we should design a low voltage banner for the top of his TP...something like - Wait for it..... Atsme 📞 📧 18:13, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Aspro - your graph was quite helpful. Would you be so kind as to add a similar graph to Alligator gar or show me how? I helped prep the alligator gar article for GA & DYK in 2014, but I can't see any stats before July 2015. Do you have a magic viewer for that? I see where pageviews spiked in July 2016 but not sure why. The original DYK template dates back to July 2014, and while I have a vague recollection of the pageviews being nothing to write home about, they weren't exactly embarrassing. Any insight you can provide regarding the numbers will be greatly appreciated. Atsme 📞 📧 01:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
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Tryp, we tend to get quite a bit of IP activity at Gar, so would you compare what this abstract states about Semionotiformes VS the lede portion of the article that reads: Lepisosteiformes (or Semionotiformes), an ancient holosteian order of ray-finned fish; fossils from this order are known from the Late Jurassic onwards. The PLOS article reads (my bold): "The genera †Pliodetes, †Araripelepidotes, †Lepidotes, †Scheenstia, and †Isanichthys are lepisosteiforms, and not semionotiforms, as previously thought, and these taxa extend the stratigraphic range of the lineage leading to gars back up to the Early Jurassic." The initial change to the lede that added Semionotiformes is here. Atsme 📞 📧 23:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
:::Tryptofish, please accept these holiday wishes :) I've caused this year to end on a chord of disappointment for many, but I hope that despite my mistakes and the differences in opinion and perspectives, and regardless of what the outcome is or in what capacity I can still contribute in the coming year, we can continue working together directly or indirectly on this encyclopedic project, whose ideals are surely carried by both of our hearts. I'm hoping I have not fallen in your esteem to the level where "no hard feelings" can no longer ring true, because I highly respect you and your dedication to Wikipedia, and I sincerely wish you and your loved ones all the best for 2018.
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Have no intention of taking this half-baked idea forward yet. Been thinking though, that if DrChrissy was alive today, we would not hesitate to nominate him for a WP t-shirt. That goes for many other outstanding editors that are not with us today. So been thinking.... what about a Wiki Plaque in a similar vein to Blue plaques to be placed in the editor's hall of residences. WP has long shaken off the mantel of amateurism and these plaques may encourage newbie academics to view WP as something worth spending time on. As to cost: In this day and age with computerized design and manufacture, a plaque (customized to included say he's web and spider) should not cost much more than a t-shirt. English heritage who authorize and erect Blue Plaques require at least 20 years must have passed since a candidate’s death. Think 2 years for our purposes would suffice. Aspro ( talk) 18:33, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for making me smile today. I'm glad you're here (and there). WhatamIdoing ( talk) 21:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC) |
...or maybe not if you sleep with cell phone close to your head! About wi-fi Atsme 📞 📧 20:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
I also love vegetarians. Medium rare.Sure, They're Made Out of Meat. — Paleo Neonate – 13:00, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Too much meatloaf! We need some meat dresses. (no, that's not Lady Gaga.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
...something that stands out to me are the rather bad-faith-assuming references to the "anti paid editing clique". I guess the editors saying that are the "pro paid editing clique" Already observed by some of us who participates in all the various discussions about COI/PE and measures to sharpen content control, and giving us some concern. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 23:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
A little shameless plug but only because it involves Wiki Science! and something that is dear to my ❤️ regarding the American paddlefish. Regardless, look at the 5 "General images" that made the Top 25 - they're incredible! Atsme 📞 📧 22:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
I've just created this page. If any of my wonderful talk page participants would be so kind as to look it over, that would be much appreciated. It's a bit technical (well, maybe a lot), so I'm interested in whether or not it's clear to nonspecialists. Please don't hesitate to edit it, or comment at its talk page. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 23:05, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
All the very smart watchers of my talk page, and also EEng, will be interested to know that I've done further research about this hippo campus stuff, and discovered a fascinating new story:
The DYK hooks almost write themselves, don't they? -- Tryptofish ( talk) 00:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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"And my inclination is that either Ceranthor or Floquenbeam should just go ahead and do it." I would, except I worry it could easily end up making things worse. The last thing I want to do is add a note to the block log along the lines of what I suggested, and then Tony comes back a week later, insulted because I cluttered up his block log with something he did not want or value, or that he didn't like the wording, or something. You know what I mean? I'd much rather get his buy-in. Then, if he objects to the wording or something, he can talk to Ceranthor instead and I just gracefully bow out. Do you really think unilaterally adding that to the block log without his OK is really unlikely to be harmful? -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 21:11, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
...another brain teaser, which means it's time for...Ask the doctor. The info comes from one of our favorite RS, lol. Never know till you ask. Atsme 📞 📧 17:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
That's it! I'm coming for you, fish man! FBDB ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:54, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
...the proposal we've been working on is going to be the only way to go if we ever hope to make change. I read the comments at the policy TP and can see both sides of the argument. I'm of the mind that it's unnatural for people to easily give up control/benefits in the name of prevention. I can't even think of a few who would (1) admit an action they took was either abusive or inappropriate, short of a photo of their hand in the cookie jar, or (2) would agree to adding accountability with additional rules & restrictions that will fetter some of their unfettered powers. I liken it to making Congress vote on enforcing term limits, and reducing their wages and retirement income. The wider community has to make it happen. Atsme 📞 📧 23:04, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
When you get time, please take a look at Wikipedia:Blocking_policy_proposal which was presented back in 2006. Atsme 📞 📧 15:29, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Oh, wait - Tryp, was it your intention to keep the discussions regarding policy clarifications at NLT and Blocking limited to local consensus? Atsme 📞 📧 21:13, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Hot off the presses: WP:LAZYLAZY. You're welcome! -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
...I'm addicted to Thin Mints and 🍺 during Happy Hour. There must be a scientific reason for it...and no, I'm not with child...age minimum is 21 to sit at the bar. Atsme 📞 📧 00:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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