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Hi Trödel,
First of all congratulations on the adminship. You recently said you maybe willing to help with the user message and template harmonistion program. We will be starting the actual changes, we hope within the next week. But prior to that, If you have any spare time what we would like from yourself is instead of an evening of vandal fighting or patrolling recent changes, you monitor the RC page for those actually doing the reverts and leaving user page messages. We would like to make as many people aware of the fact that the templates they use are going to change. If you could seek out the RCP's and Cut n Paste the following message to their talk page that would be appreciated, or reworded as you see fit. Cheers. Khukri ( talk . contribs) 09:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
==Upcoming template changes==
Hi, I've just noticed that you recently left a templated userpage message. I'm just bringing to your attention that the format and context of these templates will be shortly changing. It is recommended that you visit [[WP:UW|WikiProject user warnings]] and harmonisation discussion [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_user_warnings/templates|pages]] to find out how these changes could affect the templates you use. We also would appreciate any insights or thoughts you may have on the subject. Thanks for your understanding. Best regards ~~~~
Hi there, You've upset someone for deleting their word Fomp, whatever that is. I think because I left the message above here earlier, they followed the link to my talk page and left me a message there. Anyway have a good evening. Cheers Khukri ( talk . contribs) 22:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I hope I'm wrong here, but your message on the Turn Left talk page seems rather accusatory. You may claim that there should be more critiques of the club on its page, but to imply that editors are actively working to keep any negative information off the page doesn't encourage cooperation amongst editors, especially when I'd asked TDC more than once to work with me on the "negative info" in question. I also find it curious that you made no mention of his personal attacks. Please assume good faith. Xiner 15:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on your recent RfA! I've been away from the pedia and didn't know of it until now — wish I could've added in my support. Glad that your experience and skills will be put to even better use here. Tijuana Brass 04:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Let me echo Tijuana Brass above. I have also been away/very busy. Congratulations on the promotion and let me assure you I would have voted for you had I been aware of the RFA. Please, let me know how your transition to admin goes -- I have been approached about becoming an admin, but have some major reservations. So, I have been seriously dragging my feet. All the best. WBardwin 22:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been selected as the November Mormon collaboration of the month. I look forward to working with you on it. -- uriah923( talk) 21:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
give me more time!!!!! Essar Shipping
Thanks for helping with the edits on the LDS Church page. I am glad you got rid of the details on Hinkley, I was trying to figure out how to move the temple info to the temple section (probably still should have a blurb there on rapid buiding of temples), but your delete made the choice easier. Thanks too with the Temple infobox. Bytebear 02:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on your son :)
One thing I might suggest for future weeks on ITN- if you could make that table that you have on the talk page a bit more user-friendly (basically just making the "notes" section in plain English rather than shorthand), I could publish with that if you're running late, and just have you update when you can. In any event, no big deal; thanks for getting it done. Ral315 ( talk) 04:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Care to weigh in on the AfD for this article? -- 63.224.136.62 03:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Oops, wrong page. Sorry. Duke53 | Talk 00:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the copyright vio... it seems like the myspace page may have lifted from the wiki page. I put the info down about Bloomington and a tag line about two very underground chicago rappers( that I doubt many would know about) in without even know there was a myspace page... now poof... they are there. RedBirdI55 02:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, how come no mention of this article in ITN? Says Wikipedia is showing how to solve the Israeli-Arab conflict, seems a pretty cool and notable media mention to me. Babajobu 22:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you're the right guy to tell, but there's an article that cites WP here. - Peregrinefisher 21:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Could you see the discussion on my talk about this? To keep NPOV we'd have to add *every* religious garment out there. If it is particularly similar, that should be discussed and linked in the text, not plunked in a see also. pschemp | talk 16:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I honestly believe you have sold your soul to wikipedia (piece meal of course). As an LDS person is there nothing too sacred for wikipedia? Will your judgement day argument be, "I was a passive participant"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.153.236 ( talk • contribs)
Ciao! I've read your nice articles for "Wikipedia in the news". Simply I wanted to point out that newspapers articles should be in italics, and article titles between "...". Good work! -- Attilios 09:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:LDS Church Heirarchy.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. — Nv8200p talk 01:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Please can you provide diffs where the links I removed was a valid one? Thanks -- Spartaz 07:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure who appointed you to follow me around to delete my comments on talk pages, but STOP ! I have right to make comments exactly like every other editor here. If you continue this vandalism, I will report you in all appropriate categories. Duke53 | Talk 01:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Please feel free to invite me back once things have settled down. Meanwhile an offer for mediation has been posted, which may help towards that. Cheers :) Gwen Gale 04:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Trödel. Listen up. You know absolutely nothing about SVU. Do not delete what I worked on. Get the drift? Rossinicholas 08:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I know very little about the inner workings of Templates, but I do know that they only really should be used if you're going to be repeating the same data over and over in multiple articles. One Template for one temple should be an infobox in the article itself. User:Zoe| (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Today you deleted an addition that I made to the Joseph Smith, Jr. page which was constructive and informative. I did not delete any content, I merely added a statement. It was not vandalism. Instead if you had a question you should have contacted me about it first so we could discuss it. I can support what I wrote with evidence.
--fraasrd Fraasrd ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
edit reverted If you troll me again I will block you. -- Trödel 09:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
What does "troll" mean? I should block you for deleting my work without giving justification. 137.241.250.100 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
Dear Trödel,
Regarding the definition of the word, "trolling", the definition you cite does not actually define it, however it does make clear that trolling is a subjective claim and therefore cannot be used as grounds for punitive action. I ask that you keep this policy in mind.
Regarding the edit you cited on the Joseph Smith, Jr. page, it consisted of a propositional statement within the theme and flow of the paragraph in question that "Joseph Smith's teachings have led hundreds of thousands of people to hell." This is a factual statement verified by the Holy Bible, for example the Apostle Paul who said over 1700 years prior to Joseph Smith, Jr.'s birth,
Galatians 1:8-9 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The word "accursed" here is a translation of the Greek term, "anathema", which refers to an eternal and irrevocable curse. Hell is defined in God's word as the place where condemned souls suffer God's wrath and curse. (Matthew 25:41)
Now certainly you would not dispute that hundreds of thousands of people have died while believing Joseph Smith's new teachings on Jesus and the gospel, would you? In fact it is probably in the millions by now. Regarding neutrality, there can be no more unbiased, neutral, and objective point of reference than God's own perspective revealed in His word. Only God has a neutral, "God's eye view" as it were. If you think there is a more neutral source I challenge you to point out what it is.
The statement "Joseph Smith's teachings have led hundreds of thousands of people to hell." is a propositional statement which is verified in the most reliable source available. I added it in a genuine effort to improve the educational quality of the entry on Joseph Smith. If you choose not to dispute this with me, that is your choice, but you cannot simply accuse me of vandalism because you disagree. That is an abuse of privilege.
And after having reviewed carefully the Wikipedia policy guidelines, it is clear, and I think you will have to concede that you may not simply block me for making a rational argument to support my edit and posting it on Wikipedia talk pages, which is what they are there for in the first place.
sincerely,
Fraasrd 06:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The above response to my offer to accept the edit in good faith, and my request to not discuss it is trolling. Do not do it again. -- Trödel 06:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 137.241.252.24 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
As a contributor to the different lists of temples, I was wondering if you could give some feedback concerning the addition several columns to the Comparison of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints page. thx -- Trödel 22:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/ [1]]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. Wiki eZach| talk 13:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
In the week following a presentation to the student body on how to use Wikipedia for academic research by a residential education staff person and the college science librarian, the Oberlin College alternative student paper The Grape, in an article about Awake Zion (Vol. 8 Issue 6), quoted Wikipedia's article on Crown Heights, New York noting that Crown Heights is a place where "Rastafarians and Hasidic Jews live as minority religious groups side by side." I couldn't resist a little bit of self-promotion. — WAvegetarian• (talk) 03:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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For great work week after week, writing the "Wikipedia in the news" section for the Signpost, you deserve this! Thanks! -- Spangineer ws (háblame) 04:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC) |
Your imput was given at Wikipedia:Copyright problems regarding the image Temrec.png. The image is currently up for deletion, and thought you'd like to wiegh in your opinion at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2006_December_5#Image:Temrec.png_.28talk_.7C_delete.29. Cheers. - Visorstuff 22:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually I think personal attacks can still be personal attacks even if they happen to be true. Basically any time replacing a word in your comments with "person" would make it nicer, you are probably attacking someone personally. So in the future, please just replace "troll" with "person".-- Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 03:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
response -- Trödel 04:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Could you review Fraasrd ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)'s edits - he continues to edit my talk page about my warning and subsequent block. I would just block him again for continue to be disruptive but feel a second (or third) opinion would be more appropriate. -- Trödel 06:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it not have been much easier to oversight those revisions, or poking an oversight on IRC to do it? Tito xd( ?!?) 03:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
You said "Generally navigation templates like {{ LDS}} are only used on the pages that are links in the template itself, and, sometimes, other major articles. We generally don't include them on articles related to the topic which are not central. Thus I removed it from Fanny Alger, but left it on Kirtland --Trödel 02:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)"
Trödel, from the look of your user page you may be able to answer a question I have. Do you know how fast the LDS church is growing? The page Protestantism states that evangelicalism is the fastest growing branch of christianity at 2.3% per annum. My understanding is that the LDS church is second only to Islam in it's rate of growth as a religion. Does the church post any information along those lines?-- Counsel 03:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I read recently that LDS church growth was just over 3 percent last year, however, looking at statistics that way is misleading. most statisticians would consider LDS a denomination of Christianity, rather than its own religion, and thus Christianity would be the second in growth, not LDS. Within American denomoninations, Mormonism is slower than Penecostals and Assemblies of God, but faster than any other aside from those two. May want to check out Adherents.com for more detailed slice of the religious pie. - Visorstuff 04:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Trödel,
First of all congratulations on the adminship. You recently said you maybe willing to help with the user message and template harmonistion program. We will be starting the actual changes, we hope within the next week. But prior to that, If you have any spare time what we would like from yourself is instead of an evening of vandal fighting or patrolling recent changes, you monitor the RC page for those actually doing the reverts and leaving user page messages. We would like to make as many people aware of the fact that the templates they use are going to change. If you could seek out the RCP's and Cut n Paste the following message to their talk page that would be appreciated, or reworded as you see fit. Cheers. Khukri ( talk . contribs) 09:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
==Upcoming template changes==
Hi, I've just noticed that you recently left a templated userpage message. I'm just bringing to your attention that the format and context of these templates will be shortly changing. It is recommended that you visit [[WP:UW|WikiProject user warnings]] and harmonisation discussion [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_user_warnings/templates|pages]] to find out how these changes could affect the templates you use. We also would appreciate any insights or thoughts you may have on the subject. Thanks for your understanding. Best regards ~~~~
Hi there, You've upset someone for deleting their word Fomp, whatever that is. I think because I left the message above here earlier, they followed the link to my talk page and left me a message there. Anyway have a good evening. Cheers Khukri ( talk . contribs) 22:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I hope I'm wrong here, but your message on the Turn Left talk page seems rather accusatory. You may claim that there should be more critiques of the club on its page, but to imply that editors are actively working to keep any negative information off the page doesn't encourage cooperation amongst editors, especially when I'd asked TDC more than once to work with me on the "negative info" in question. I also find it curious that you made no mention of his personal attacks. Please assume good faith. Xiner 15:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on your recent RfA! I've been away from the pedia and didn't know of it until now — wish I could've added in my support. Glad that your experience and skills will be put to even better use here. Tijuana Brass 04:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Let me echo Tijuana Brass above. I have also been away/very busy. Congratulations on the promotion and let me assure you I would have voted for you had I been aware of the RFA. Please, let me know how your transition to admin goes -- I have been approached about becoming an admin, but have some major reservations. So, I have been seriously dragging my feet. All the best. WBardwin 22:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been selected as the November Mormon collaboration of the month. I look forward to working with you on it. -- uriah923( talk) 21:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
give me more time!!!!! Essar Shipping
Thanks for helping with the edits on the LDS Church page. I am glad you got rid of the details on Hinkley, I was trying to figure out how to move the temple info to the temple section (probably still should have a blurb there on rapid buiding of temples), but your delete made the choice easier. Thanks too with the Temple infobox. Bytebear 02:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on your son :)
One thing I might suggest for future weeks on ITN- if you could make that table that you have on the talk page a bit more user-friendly (basically just making the "notes" section in plain English rather than shorthand), I could publish with that if you're running late, and just have you update when you can. In any event, no big deal; thanks for getting it done. Ral315 ( talk) 04:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Care to weigh in on the AfD for this article? -- 63.224.136.62 03:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Oops, wrong page. Sorry. Duke53 | Talk 00:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the copyright vio... it seems like the myspace page may have lifted from the wiki page. I put the info down about Bloomington and a tag line about two very underground chicago rappers( that I doubt many would know about) in without even know there was a myspace page... now poof... they are there. RedBirdI55 02:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, how come no mention of this article in ITN? Says Wikipedia is showing how to solve the Israeli-Arab conflict, seems a pretty cool and notable media mention to me. Babajobu 22:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if you're the right guy to tell, but there's an article that cites WP here. - Peregrinefisher 21:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Could you see the discussion on my talk about this? To keep NPOV we'd have to add *every* religious garment out there. If it is particularly similar, that should be discussed and linked in the text, not plunked in a see also. pschemp | talk 16:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I honestly believe you have sold your soul to wikipedia (piece meal of course). As an LDS person is there nothing too sacred for wikipedia? Will your judgement day argument be, "I was a passive participant"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.153.236 ( talk • contribs)
Ciao! I've read your nice articles for "Wikipedia in the news". Simply I wanted to point out that newspapers articles should be in italics, and article titles between "...". Good work! -- Attilios 09:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:LDS Church Heirarchy.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. — Nv8200p talk 01:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Please can you provide diffs where the links I removed was a valid one? Thanks -- Spartaz 07:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure who appointed you to follow me around to delete my comments on talk pages, but STOP ! I have right to make comments exactly like every other editor here. If you continue this vandalism, I will report you in all appropriate categories. Duke53 | Talk 01:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Please feel free to invite me back once things have settled down. Meanwhile an offer for mediation has been posted, which may help towards that. Cheers :) Gwen Gale 04:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Trödel. Listen up. You know absolutely nothing about SVU. Do not delete what I worked on. Get the drift? Rossinicholas 08:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I know very little about the inner workings of Templates, but I do know that they only really should be used if you're going to be repeating the same data over and over in multiple articles. One Template for one temple should be an infobox in the article itself. User:Zoe| (talk) 23:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Today you deleted an addition that I made to the Joseph Smith, Jr. page which was constructive and informative. I did not delete any content, I merely added a statement. It was not vandalism. Instead if you had a question you should have contacted me about it first so we could discuss it. I can support what I wrote with evidence.
--fraasrd Fraasrd ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
edit reverted If you troll me again I will block you. -- Trödel 09:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
What does "troll" mean? I should block you for deleting my work without giving justification. 137.241.250.100 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
Dear Trödel,
Regarding the definition of the word, "trolling", the definition you cite does not actually define it, however it does make clear that trolling is a subjective claim and therefore cannot be used as grounds for punitive action. I ask that you keep this policy in mind.
Regarding the edit you cited on the Joseph Smith, Jr. page, it consisted of a propositional statement within the theme and flow of the paragraph in question that "Joseph Smith's teachings have led hundreds of thousands of people to hell." This is a factual statement verified by the Holy Bible, for example the Apostle Paul who said over 1700 years prior to Joseph Smith, Jr.'s birth,
Galatians 1:8-9 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The word "accursed" here is a translation of the Greek term, "anathema", which refers to an eternal and irrevocable curse. Hell is defined in God's word as the place where condemned souls suffer God's wrath and curse. (Matthew 25:41)
Now certainly you would not dispute that hundreds of thousands of people have died while believing Joseph Smith's new teachings on Jesus and the gospel, would you? In fact it is probably in the millions by now. Regarding neutrality, there can be no more unbiased, neutral, and objective point of reference than God's own perspective revealed in His word. Only God has a neutral, "God's eye view" as it were. If you think there is a more neutral source I challenge you to point out what it is.
The statement "Joseph Smith's teachings have led hundreds of thousands of people to hell." is a propositional statement which is verified in the most reliable source available. I added it in a genuine effort to improve the educational quality of the entry on Joseph Smith. If you choose not to dispute this with me, that is your choice, but you cannot simply accuse me of vandalism because you disagree. That is an abuse of privilege.
And after having reviewed carefully the Wikipedia policy guidelines, it is clear, and I think you will have to concede that you may not simply block me for making a rational argument to support my edit and posting it on Wikipedia talk pages, which is what they are there for in the first place.
sincerely,
Fraasrd 06:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
The above response to my offer to accept the edit in good faith, and my request to not discuss it is trolling. Do not do it again. -- Trödel 06:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 137.241.252.24 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)
As a contributor to the different lists of temples, I was wondering if you could give some feedback concerning the addition several columns to the Comparison of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints page. thx -- Trödel 22:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/ [1]]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. Wiki eZach| talk 13:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
In the week following a presentation to the student body on how to use Wikipedia for academic research by a residential education staff person and the college science librarian, the Oberlin College alternative student paper The Grape, in an article about Awake Zion (Vol. 8 Issue 6), quoted Wikipedia's article on Crown Heights, New York noting that Crown Heights is a place where "Rastafarians and Hasidic Jews live as minority religious groups side by side." I couldn't resist a little bit of self-promotion. — WAvegetarian• (talk) 03:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
For great work week after week, writing the "Wikipedia in the news" section for the Signpost, you deserve this! Thanks! -- Spangineer ws (háblame) 04:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC) |
Your imput was given at Wikipedia:Copyright problems regarding the image Temrec.png. The image is currently up for deletion, and thought you'd like to wiegh in your opinion at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2006_December_5#Image:Temrec.png_.28talk_.7C_delete.29. Cheers. - Visorstuff 22:38, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually I think personal attacks can still be personal attacks even if they happen to be true. Basically any time replacing a word in your comments with "person" would make it nicer, you are probably attacking someone personally. So in the future, please just replace "troll" with "person".-- Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 03:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
response -- Trödel 04:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Could you review Fraasrd ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)'s edits - he continues to edit my talk page about my warning and subsequent block. I would just block him again for continue to be disruptive but feel a second (or third) opinion would be more appropriate. -- Trödel 06:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Would it not have been much easier to oversight those revisions, or poking an oversight on IRC to do it? Tito xd( ?!?) 03:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
You said "Generally navigation templates like {{ LDS}} are only used on the pages that are links in the template itself, and, sometimes, other major articles. We generally don't include them on articles related to the topic which are not central. Thus I removed it from Fanny Alger, but left it on Kirtland --Trödel 02:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)"
Trödel, from the look of your user page you may be able to answer a question I have. Do you know how fast the LDS church is growing? The page Protestantism states that evangelicalism is the fastest growing branch of christianity at 2.3% per annum. My understanding is that the LDS church is second only to Islam in it's rate of growth as a religion. Does the church post any information along those lines?-- Counsel 03:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I read recently that LDS church growth was just over 3 percent last year, however, looking at statistics that way is misleading. most statisticians would consider LDS a denomination of Christianity, rather than its own religion, and thus Christianity would be the second in growth, not LDS. Within American denomoninations, Mormonism is slower than Penecostals and Assemblies of God, but faster than any other aside from those two. May want to check out Adherents.com for more detailed slice of the religious pie. - Visorstuff 04:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)