You recently filed a Request for Mediation; your case has been not been accepted. You can find more information in the rejected case archive, Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rejected 1.
If still interested, please see [ [5]]. The Invisible Anon 18:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I get a little annoyed when people with whom I've had no contact try to color my opinion on other people with whom I have no contact. For the purposes of this RfC I do not feel it is wise for me to publically "pass judgement" on specific attitudes and conduct of specific individuals. I believe that some of the individuals that were opposing your actions were behaving in a manner inconsistent with Wikipedia guidelines. I reviewed most of your comments and found nothing in them insulting or out of line, however they were also not phrased in a way to prevent conflict escalation (that is, unfortunately, rather difficult to do).
I think you would have had better luck had you originally argued that the claim that Behe wrongly claimed to be original on the concept was original research. Even if it's blatently obvious (he wrote a book called "Irreducible Complexity" in 1950s), if no reputable source has ever called him on this, it should NOT be in Wikipedia.
Personally I think the concepts are obviously at least somewhat related and that it might be nice for someone to do a writeup about this on another venue. I am highly annoyed by the Intelligent Design crowd's pushing of pseudoscientific philosophies as science, however I'm equally annoyed by attacks by "scientific" oriented persons on Behe in ways that are insubstantiated by the evidence. - JustinWick 23:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe that there is so much that is blatently wrong with the Intelligent Design movement, at least in terms of its claims to be "scientific" that there is no need to fabricate, distort, or exadurate claims. A lot of individuals on Wikipedia are very upset with what ID/Creationism proponents are trying to do to squelch the effectiveness of actual science education, and unfortunately it leaks in and taints what should be NPOV. I think it's very good for you to combat this tendency, provided you are willing to adapt a scientific viewpoint (on Wikipedia that is what is appropriate for things of this area). There's a lot of morons out there on both sides of every debate, and it's very accurate that many of the individuals pushing ID (the less prominant ones) often make assertions that are mentioned in some of the remarks you are at odds with, I am not convinced that they are substantiated by actual published positions by Intelligent Design "theorists."
It's a sad day to me when people who pride themselves on being "logical" end up getting so screwed up over what should be a rather simple matter. ID is not falsifiable, and therefore falls into the category of Philosophy rather than Science. It's no more "wrong" than existentialism or postmodern artistic expression is. Some people would rather put their human emotions and politics before their better judgement, and honestly people like to think that all ID proponents are uneducated hicks from Kansas, which is unfortunate.
As for me I'm a bit of an oddball - I have some books from the discovery institute, I'm pretty ticked off at ID, I have a degree in Physics, and I believe in God.
I hope you continue in your efforts but try to be as non-confrontational as possible. Many of the individuals on the talk page are acting immaturely (they see you as the enemy rather than merely someone they disagree with) however that does not require a response of the same level. Best of luck in your long, uphill battle. Remember, on Wikipedia, truth is decided by democracy, so good luck! - JustinWick 03:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Tisthammerw, for accidentally lumping your edit in with that of 208.11.8.10. Rick Norwood 21:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
-- Fasten 15:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Wade, I don't know if you noticed it (there's so much stuff on the ND talk page) but I responded to your post on policies and guidelines here: Analysis. - Dreadlocke 20:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Just fyi, I modified my Cabal Mediation request a while back to ask for a "Third Opinion". I meant to make the change after what happened to Rohirok, but I believe I made it right after you began mediating. As far as I'm concerned, and contrary to askolnick's latest assertion....you're still the Cabal Mediator on this case..if you want to be! Based on Suggetions for Mediators lines 6, 15 and 17.. :) Dreadlocke 22:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Wade, this issue's time in MC is ripe. It needs to be referred up the chain, either RFM or RFA, I'm not sure which. If RFM, then it needs to be fast-tracked. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 22:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think mediation can succeed while it's mired in hyperbole and accusations of bias. I intend to file an RFM for formal mediation. Please respond to me if you object. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 17:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
All parties already agreed to mediation per se before I submitted by medcab req, so it shouldn't be a problem. Thanks. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 20:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Wade, why am I a party to your mediation request? See the following diffs and note that you are going to look mighty foolish as I never opposed your idea as such, I merely said that the wording sucked and that Paley could not write. The first and second diffs would subvert any argument on your part for including me in something I haven't the time for. [18] [19] [20] [21] [22]
As for KC, she never even commented on that particular section, so why the hell you included her is beyond me.
Your real beef is with FM (and maybe SA), but both of their reasons are valid. You also seem to forget that Dave Souza tried to help you by informally mediating, and you basicaly blew him off.
Bottom line, including KC and I, indicates sloppy research at best, and intentionally posting disengenuously at worst. That starts to wander into RfC territory, because I makes me (and no doubt others) think that you are, as Ezra Pount noted of Bertrand de Born, "a stirrer of strife".
In this mediation case it appears I have not been very successful. To be honest, part of the blame lies on me for making a few mistakes at this first attempt of mine to work as a mediator here, but I have also encountered a rather bitter and uncooperative party (namely Askolnick with his personal attacks and little smear campaign against me). I do not believe I can succeed here, so I feel I must bow out. You can see my concluding remarks here. If you wish, I am free to try again at this Mediation Cabal thing. -- Wade A. Tisthammer 20:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey -- just a friendly reminder. When you warn someone be sure to sign your comment by adding ~~~~ at the end. Also, you should always subst: user warning templates: for instance, add {{subst:NPA}} instead of just {{NPA}}; it makes the servers run better. Thanks! Mangojuice 05:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Natasha Demkina, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
Note: I know you're not technically involved with the article any more, but your recent involvement is relevant. You can get involved with RFM or not, I just need to give all parties a notice, and you're certainly one. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 18:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for participating in the poll. The poll got kind of messy and may be somewhat hard to read through, but here is the draft rewrite of the article, including information sourced from Josephson's critique. Any feedback you have is more than welcome! Thanks. Dreadlocke 05:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello Wade! It looks like you've not been involved with Wikipedia for quite some time. If you are still around, please go have a look here and give us your opinion. Thanks! Bagginator 11:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
If you do, give me your opinion of this list I posted at Intelligent Design that was archived.
Ive offered the following as meeting WP:V and WP:RS in regards to the sentence in dispute at the Intelligent Design article, "All leading proponents of Intelligent Design are affiliated with the Discovery Institute." The San Francisco Chronicle, August 28 2005 calls Norris Gravlox, "a leading proponent of the intelligent design theory" the Tribeca Film Festival calls Jack Cashill, "a leading proponent of intelligent design." The Orlando Weekly from September 1st 2005 calls Mat Staver, "leading proponent of teaching intelligent design in public schools" and on May 26, 2006, the Legal Times calls John Umana, "a leading proponent of intelligent design" establishing WP:V and WP:RS. Bagginator 05:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, just saw your modification to Evanescence. While you've done a good job here, I question the necessity of devoting that much of article space to what amounts to a relatively minor early controversy. There simply does not need to be that many quotes to get across a fairly simple point. I'm going to attempt to pare it down a little, and I encourage you to find ways to do the same. Lets keep this to one large paragraph or two small ones at most, eh? Thanks! -- Huntster T • @ • C 10:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I posted this on your user page by mistake.
"You're absolutely right, Wade, but I've wasted hours of my life presenting that evidence at the ID article, the Sternberg controversy, and the review of the "Expelled:.." movie articles. You will not budge the entrenched bias in the Wikipedia heavyweights. On one of those pages, they even disregarded Jimbo Wales' advice. Can't remember the specifics or the exact question--I don't think it was on whether the article was reviewed--and I don't want to be guilty of making false accusations, or true ones, for that matter. It's just not worth my time to go back and find specifics. Last July I even took what I perceived to be inaccurate bias to mediation, but dropped it after realizing the bias is part and parcel of the community. It IS refreshing to hear from you, though! :) Yopienso ( talk) 16:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)"
While I'm here, here are two links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dave_souza#Friendly_Overture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-07-07/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed Best, Yopienso ( talk) 16:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
If you're posting on a talk page, please don't post replies to conversations that are four years old. If issues are still relevant, to the current talk page, start a new section. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 12:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
You recently filed a Request for Mediation; your case has been not been accepted. You can find more information in the rejected case archive, Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rejected 1.
If still interested, please see [ [5]]. The Invisible Anon 18:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I get a little annoyed when people with whom I've had no contact try to color my opinion on other people with whom I have no contact. For the purposes of this RfC I do not feel it is wise for me to publically "pass judgement" on specific attitudes and conduct of specific individuals. I believe that some of the individuals that were opposing your actions were behaving in a manner inconsistent with Wikipedia guidelines. I reviewed most of your comments and found nothing in them insulting or out of line, however they were also not phrased in a way to prevent conflict escalation (that is, unfortunately, rather difficult to do).
I think you would have had better luck had you originally argued that the claim that Behe wrongly claimed to be original on the concept was original research. Even if it's blatently obvious (he wrote a book called "Irreducible Complexity" in 1950s), if no reputable source has ever called him on this, it should NOT be in Wikipedia.
Personally I think the concepts are obviously at least somewhat related and that it might be nice for someone to do a writeup about this on another venue. I am highly annoyed by the Intelligent Design crowd's pushing of pseudoscientific philosophies as science, however I'm equally annoyed by attacks by "scientific" oriented persons on Behe in ways that are insubstantiated by the evidence. - JustinWick 23:06, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
I believe that there is so much that is blatently wrong with the Intelligent Design movement, at least in terms of its claims to be "scientific" that there is no need to fabricate, distort, or exadurate claims. A lot of individuals on Wikipedia are very upset with what ID/Creationism proponents are trying to do to squelch the effectiveness of actual science education, and unfortunately it leaks in and taints what should be NPOV. I think it's very good for you to combat this tendency, provided you are willing to adapt a scientific viewpoint (on Wikipedia that is what is appropriate for things of this area). There's a lot of morons out there on both sides of every debate, and it's very accurate that many of the individuals pushing ID (the less prominant ones) often make assertions that are mentioned in some of the remarks you are at odds with, I am not convinced that they are substantiated by actual published positions by Intelligent Design "theorists."
It's a sad day to me when people who pride themselves on being "logical" end up getting so screwed up over what should be a rather simple matter. ID is not falsifiable, and therefore falls into the category of Philosophy rather than Science. It's no more "wrong" than existentialism or postmodern artistic expression is. Some people would rather put their human emotions and politics before their better judgement, and honestly people like to think that all ID proponents are uneducated hicks from Kansas, which is unfortunate.
As for me I'm a bit of an oddball - I have some books from the discovery institute, I'm pretty ticked off at ID, I have a degree in Physics, and I believe in God.
I hope you continue in your efforts but try to be as non-confrontational as possible. Many of the individuals on the talk page are acting immaturely (they see you as the enemy rather than merely someone they disagree with) however that does not require a response of the same level. Best of luck in your long, uphill battle. Remember, on Wikipedia, truth is decided by democracy, so good luck! - JustinWick 03:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Tisthammerw, for accidentally lumping your edit in with that of 208.11.8.10. Rick Norwood 21:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
-- Fasten 15:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Wade, I don't know if you noticed it (there's so much stuff on the ND talk page) but I responded to your post on policies and guidelines here: Analysis. - Dreadlocke 20:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Just fyi, I modified my Cabal Mediation request a while back to ask for a "Third Opinion". I meant to make the change after what happened to Rohirok, but I believe I made it right after you began mediating. As far as I'm concerned, and contrary to askolnick's latest assertion....you're still the Cabal Mediator on this case..if you want to be! Based on Suggetions for Mediators lines 6, 15 and 17.. :) Dreadlocke 22:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Wade, this issue's time in MC is ripe. It needs to be referred up the chain, either RFM or RFA, I'm not sure which. If RFM, then it needs to be fast-tracked. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 22:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think mediation can succeed while it's mired in hyperbole and accusations of bias. I intend to file an RFM for formal mediation. Please respond to me if you object. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 17:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
All parties already agreed to mediation per se before I submitted by medcab req, so it shouldn't be a problem. Thanks. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 20:18, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Wade, why am I a party to your mediation request? See the following diffs and note that you are going to look mighty foolish as I never opposed your idea as such, I merely said that the wording sucked and that Paley could not write. The first and second diffs would subvert any argument on your part for including me in something I haven't the time for. [18] [19] [20] [21] [22]
As for KC, she never even commented on that particular section, so why the hell you included her is beyond me.
Your real beef is with FM (and maybe SA), but both of their reasons are valid. You also seem to forget that Dave Souza tried to help you by informally mediating, and you basicaly blew him off.
Bottom line, including KC and I, indicates sloppy research at best, and intentionally posting disengenuously at worst. That starts to wander into RfC territory, because I makes me (and no doubt others) think that you are, as Ezra Pount noted of Bertrand de Born, "a stirrer of strife".
In this mediation case it appears I have not been very successful. To be honest, part of the blame lies on me for making a few mistakes at this first attempt of mine to work as a mediator here, but I have also encountered a rather bitter and uncooperative party (namely Askolnick with his personal attacks and little smear campaign against me). I do not believe I can succeed here, so I feel I must bow out. You can see my concluding remarks here. If you wish, I am free to try again at this Mediation Cabal thing. -- Wade A. Tisthammer 20:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey -- just a friendly reminder. When you warn someone be sure to sign your comment by adding ~~~~ at the end. Also, you should always subst: user warning templates: for instance, add {{subst:NPA}} instead of just {{NPA}}; it makes the servers run better. Thanks! Mangojuice 05:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Natasha Demkina, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.
Note: I know you're not technically involved with the article any more, but your recent involvement is relevant. You can get involved with RFM or not, I just need to give all parties a notice, and you're certainly one. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ ( AMA) 18:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for participating in the poll. The poll got kind of messy and may be somewhat hard to read through, but here is the draft rewrite of the article, including information sourced from Josephson's critique. Any feedback you have is more than welcome! Thanks. Dreadlocke 05:53, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello Wade! It looks like you've not been involved with Wikipedia for quite some time. If you are still around, please go have a look here and give us your opinion. Thanks! Bagginator 11:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
If you do, give me your opinion of this list I posted at Intelligent Design that was archived.
Ive offered the following as meeting WP:V and WP:RS in regards to the sentence in dispute at the Intelligent Design article, "All leading proponents of Intelligent Design are affiliated with the Discovery Institute." The San Francisco Chronicle, August 28 2005 calls Norris Gravlox, "a leading proponent of the intelligent design theory" the Tribeca Film Festival calls Jack Cashill, "a leading proponent of intelligent design." The Orlando Weekly from September 1st 2005 calls Mat Staver, "leading proponent of teaching intelligent design in public schools" and on May 26, 2006, the Legal Times calls John Umana, "a leading proponent of intelligent design" establishing WP:V and WP:RS. Bagginator 05:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey, just saw your modification to Evanescence. While you've done a good job here, I question the necessity of devoting that much of article space to what amounts to a relatively minor early controversy. There simply does not need to be that many quotes to get across a fairly simple point. I'm going to attempt to pare it down a little, and I encourage you to find ways to do the same. Lets keep this to one large paragraph or two small ones at most, eh? Thanks! -- Huntster T • @ • C 10:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I posted this on your user page by mistake.
"You're absolutely right, Wade, but I've wasted hours of my life presenting that evidence at the ID article, the Sternberg controversy, and the review of the "Expelled:.." movie articles. You will not budge the entrenched bias in the Wikipedia heavyweights. On one of those pages, they even disregarded Jimbo Wales' advice. Can't remember the specifics or the exact question--I don't think it was on whether the article was reviewed--and I don't want to be guilty of making false accusations, or true ones, for that matter. It's just not worth my time to go back and find specifics. Last July I even took what I perceived to be inaccurate bias to mediation, but dropped it after realizing the bias is part and parcel of the community. It IS refreshing to hear from you, though! :) Yopienso ( talk) 16:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)"
While I'm here, here are two links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dave_souza#Friendly_Overture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-07-07/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed Best, Yopienso ( talk) 16:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
If you're posting on a talk page, please don't post replies to conversations that are four years old. If issues are still relevant, to the current talk page, start a new section. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/ complex 12:47, 14 August 2010 (UTC)