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Just a general question. You said that misconduct is not required before a warning. However, is a warning required before any sanctions are handed down? And if one is, how should an editor be made aware of the warning? Meowy 20:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Tim. This case did have sanctions against Vlad Fedorov and two others who were not parties and were not named in the title of the case. Did you mean, no sanctions *still in effect* against non-parties? EdJohnston ( talk) 18:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I've been editing since March 2005, and an admin since November 2007, and today, while I was waiting for a train, I tried to edit the Jersey City Medical Center article from my iPhone, and got a message saying that blocked by you for BLP violations, with the block set to expire November 8, 2012. Even odder, the IP indicated is 166.137.136.0/22. I was unaware of any IPs with forward slashes in them, and I couldn't find this IP when I returned home and used my username account. Can you explain if this is a legitimate IP, and what BLP violations were committed from it? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 01:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Tim. The thread in AE forum [1] has been open for more than two weeks already, and I tend to believe the discussion has run its course. I guess, it is not unreasonable to request to put the issue to rest, and simply advise the interested parties to stick to productive discussion on talk pages of the article itself. Have a nice day. Winterbliss ( talk) 22:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Desysopping, I was expecting. Just don't shoot me. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 02:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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As a reminder, Mkat had allowed for 30 days before reviewing the indef. We are just a couple of days away from reaching it. Are you going to re-examine the case? I don't think Tom has done anything particularly objectionable since the ban was instated.-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 16:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC) I concur with TDA above, but emphasize that Tom hadn't done anything objectionable to begin with...Tom doesn't think so either gathering from his talkpage comments...when discussing the conspiracy theories behind 9/11, and the history of their evolution, it isn't news except to those poorly versed in these ridiculous theories that there was at least early on, a strong anti-Semitic overtone to many of them. Perhaps Tom could be asked to provide further background on this matter in his usertalk but that thesis may be too advanced for this pedia. MONGO 12:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
So, Tim, are you going to re-examine the ban on your own or are you going to want Tom to appeal it?-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 22:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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Before you do anything, please review the following notes:
With respect, Jaakobou Chalk Talk 20:30, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw you had done some work on heavily-used gadgets. We're trying to start a library for gadget authors to use. Please check it out and post any questions or comments there. -- ☠ MarkAHershberger☢( talk)☣ 01:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Re [2]. Although Taiwan and the Republic of China aren't related to Macedonia or Ireland, the dispute around the naming of the Republic of China article is essentially identical as the previous disputes around Republic of Ireland and Republic of Macedonia. Further, only registered users may file a new case at WP:A/R/C. Would you reconsider your decision, or advise what I should do to file a new case? 61.18.170.26 ( talk) 18:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Suggestion_for_new_crats. MBisanz talk 22:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
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Re [3]. Although Taiwan and the Republic of China aren't related to Macedonia or Ireland, the dispute around the naming of the Republic of China article is essentially identical as the previous disputes around Republic of Ireland and Republic of Macedonia. Further, only registered users may file a new case at WP:A/R/C. Would you reconsider your decision, or advise what I should do to file a new case? 61.18.170.125 ( talk) 11:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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About a month ago, you said that you would look at Tom's edits in a few weeks, and lift the ban if you think it is appropriate. [4] Have you a had a chance to do so yet? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 17:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw you had done some work on heavily-used gadgets. We're trying to start a library for gadget authors to use. Please check it out and post any questions or comments there — ☠ MarkAHershberger☢( talk)☣ 18:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Chesdovi is specifically mentioning you in his appeal over on AE, although I'm certain you would see it on patrol, I thought I'd let you know. -- WGFinley ( talk) 18:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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[5] You placed 4 editors under an editing restriction. Well the RFC never happened and shortly after the restriction, another editor changed the article along exactly the lines I'd suggested. I currently have had 4 articles in my sandpit for a little under a year. I would like to move these to main but cannot whilst under editing restrictions. Its really frustrating as I have only ever edited productively but my edits were constantly reverted for no good reason by 2 editors who weren't about improving the article and yet because Arbcom and AE doesn't look at content they're classed as being of equal value. I would like to have my editing restriction removed but know from past experience that the Imalbornoz account will resurrect itself to frustrate my efforts. What should I do? Wee Curry Monster talk 12:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Since you are familiar with the editors involved would you mind reviewing this case, including my proposal?-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 14:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I edit-conflicted with you in pulling that one off the Main Page. Reaper Eternal ( talk) 15:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Oops! - I don't know what happened there, sorry! Thanks for the revert :) - Alison ❤ 19:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I would like this article to be restored. I'm not sure what the justification was to delete it in the first place but the fact is that this is one of the first satellites launched by Europe. I'm really confused, why was this article dumped? -- U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 10:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I hope all this
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Cold fusion 2 is normal housekeeping and not cuz I messed things up
Mlpearc (
powwow)
02:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I've requested for permission to use Kissle. But it hasn't been reviewed. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 08:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Requires a developer to fix, see
bugzilla:34014.
Cheers,
Amalthea
07:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Tim, could you articulate the evidentiary basis of your comment [6], I see no violation by Volunteer Marek as Wikipedia:IBAN#Exceptions_to_limited_bans explicitly permits "asking an administrator to take action against a violation of an interaction ban by the other party" and WP:AE is one venue for asking for admin assistance. -- Nug ( talk) 10:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Please also examine the iterated baiting of YRC over a period of time and note that ArbCom in the p[ast has stated that baiting is also a blockable offence. I am not asking that YRC be ignored, only that those who baited him repreatedly over a period of time also be noted and, as a minimum, given strict warnings to stay away from him. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 12:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, then this is relevant [7]. VolunteerMarek 16:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Wikid77 here (I am not an admin). After hours of study, I have concluded that the block at User_talk:Youreallycan was unjustified (ANI link: ANI2339). The idea of a block was still being debated when this block was pre-maturely imposed. The incident revolved around the use of term "queer agenda" which is not an insult or derogatory term, with the common meaning of "queer" as being "odd" (or even "GLBT" which is also acceptable, as noted in an RfC mentioning "queer editors": RfC-diff-4374). Even a TV show popularized the term, " Queer as Folk" (pun on the archaic expression). Meanwhile, some editors expressed a prior hostility, wishing this editor to be blocked for past actions, already sanctioned by a warning, but that does not condone a " double jeopardy" to block an editor for past actions already cleared. Hence, there was no action, on the part of this editor, to justify this block. However, I realize when other editors start making hostile comments against another editor at ANI, it gives the illusion of wrong-doing, but WP does not block an editor merely because several people were upset with prior actions and wanted more severe punishment than the prior admin had decided. I was a formal debate judge, for years, so I am always watching to see if there is an improper non sequitor, unjustified conclusion, as there was in this case, of an unjustified block. The block against User:Youreallycan should be unblocked immediately. Plus, an apology should be given to the editor. Then, we need an essay that warns admins to beware hate-mongering about imposing punishment for past actions, already sanctioned, with no evidence supporting a new block. ANI often attracts people, as wp:Forum shopping, to gain retribution for past disagreements, at the slightest new incident. Reply here or there. Thanks. - Wikid77 ( talk) 10:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, there has been a puzzling frenzy of edits and reversions discussed at WP PLANTS that is involved with your block of the 69.171.160... range of IP's on 18th March. We've been wondering about this for a while, and I've come to imagine an innocent scenario that I really think worth accommodating if possible. The edits to orchid pages are voluminous, unsophisticated, but don't appear to be copyright violations (at least not major ones). They look very like the products of a class project (class projects to add material about particular species are fairly common). If that is the case, then the students are fighting a losing battle against the anti-vandalism editors who are reverting everything from that range of IP addresses, regardless of quality.
I don't understand the block mechanism at all well, but have the following requests about what I think would help this imaginary class and their imaginary professor. Does the block currently prevent people from those IP addresses from making signons? If so, could that be relaxed? Would it be possible to extend the block for longer than a year, so that if the same assignment is used in a future class it would be immediately apparent that the students need to find another way to edit (such as through proper signons)?
Thanks, and best wishes, Nadiatalent ( talk) 19:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Can you please look at this -- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Involved_editors_and_harassment
There are more in this thread, which I will be adding. It's sad that these editors are obvious persuing a grudge. You may want to check the link at the AE thread, as they are mentioning you too. Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 19:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I have recently discovered a possible sock of user:TheREALCableGuy and did what I think is appropriate on the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheREALCableGuy page. I considered contacting user:Sven Manguard and user:DeltaQuad for help, but they both appear to be inactive presently. Unlike the previous cases where the socks were IPs and it was obvious that they were socks of cable guy, this case is suspicious, but I don't have concrete proof. user:Drmies advised me to place a checkuser request on the investigation page, which I have done. I do not know if I've done everything properly, as I am just an editor and haven't been involved in this sort of thing before. I am only trying to do the right thing and I would appreciate any help or guidance you could give me. If you can not, perhaps you could refer me to someone who could. Thanks. Sore bluto ( talk) 22:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to all of you for commenting on the NOINDEX RfC :). It's always great to be able to field questions like these to the community; it's genuinely the highlight of my work! The NOINDEX idea sprung from our New Page Triage discussion; we're developing a new patrolling interface for new articles, and we want your input like never before :). So if you haven't already seen it, please go there, take a look at the screenshots and mockups and ideas, and add any comments or suggestions you might have to the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 16:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be reluctance for admins or uninvolved editors to provide more input at WP:AE#Nagorno-Karabakh. I've reviewed the history of the Nagorno-Karabakh article since October, 2011 and made some findings.
One of the ideas you gave in the 'Result' section of this AE was to encourage admins to issue DUCK blocks (if I read you correctly). It looks to me that this would not suffice. I'd favor remedies that exclude *all* the sockish editors from participating at Nagorno-Karabakh, however that is achieved. I am somewhat concerned by long-term AA SPAs but the ones who are clearly not socks I find to be less alarming. (One of them identifies with the Armenian side, has 1,500 edits, and has been around since 2004). There is one guy who supports the Azeri side and has 75,000 edits though his history is not unblemished. Having him continue to participate seems OK to me. Unless it turns out that even the veterans misbehave.
How would you feel about the suggestion about a minimum requirement of 500 edits for participating at Nagorno-Karabakh? This requirement would exclude all the editors I consider sockish and it would take away the incentive for either side to create more socks.
The requirement for a minimum number of edits could be tweaked. Gatoclass proposed '500 mainspace edits outside the topic area' which is also reasonable, but harder to count quickly. That rule and the simpler rule of 500 total edits would both exclude *all* the sockish editors I found. 1000 edits would also work as a criterion, though it would exclude one editor in my sample who made only style fixes.
If you prefer not to discuss the issue here, or at all, you could move this to my talk page or delete it.
If the idea of 500 edits attracts any support, I am thinking that a post at WP:AN asking for comments might be appropriate. A post at AN sometimes gets useful feedback since it exposes the idea to people totally unconnected to the topic area. Thanks, EdJohnston ( talk) 17:01, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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User:Ehud Lesar was edit warring on the Nagorno-Karabakh page, and it did not take too long to establish a connection between Ehud and User:AdilBaguirov, and then between User:AdilBaguirov and User:Grandmaster—who seems to be his protector and promoter (meat-mentor?) [23]. [24]. All this points to a serious issue the ArbCom should deal— User:Grandmaster and his off-wiki operation known as 26 Baku Commissars. In other words, similarly to RuWiki, most Azerbaijani editors in English wiki as well are likely to be sock/meatpuppets managed by Grandmaster. This sock/meat farm is utilized to push edit war and promote highly tendentious content in AA2. To appreciate the true scope and structure of this operation, take a closer look at the article written by Grandmaster's friend User:AdilBaguirov in azer.com [25]. In this conspiratorial hate pamphlet called Wikipedia.org: Savvy Tool for Making Azerbaijan Known to the World, User:AdilBaguirov argues that the world’s encyclopedias are supposedly controlled by Armenians who conspired to methodically distort every notion about Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis. To counter that “deplorable state of affairs,” User:AdilBaguirov calls on Azerbaijanis to use Wikipedia as a tool (his word in the title) to take the ethnic war against Armenians deep into their intellectual domain. Here are some excerpts from the text:
More about User:AdilBaguirov and his ethno-racist background can be found here: [26]. Here it is also worth mentioning that in real life User:AdilBaguirov is a US-based Azerbaijani nationalist lobbyist who heads U.S. Azeris Network (USAN), www.usazeris.org. One of USAN’s main goals of is to harass random Americans of purportedly Armenian origin, especially those holding public office. USAN’s most recent target was Mr. Edward Semonian Jr. [27], who ran for the office of Circuit Court Clerk, Alexandria. USAN targeted Semonian simply because of his Armenian heritage [28]. The case of USAN’s harassment of Semonian is the real-life facet of Grandmaster’s and his meats’ main methodology in Wikipedia regarding academic sources: their racist argument is that if someone is suspected to have Armenian blood, family members or ancestry, he or she is to be automatically excluded from Wikipedia as a credible source. Just recently Grandmaster opposed to world-class academic reference the book called "The Caucasian Knot" [29] which is endorsed by Thomas de Waal, WP's top source on Nagorno-Karabakh, simply because he suspected Armenian heritage. Grandmaster’s meat-pals from RusWiki's ArbCom decision User:Brandmeister, User:Quantum and User:Tuscumbia all came under sanctions for their racist approach to WP:NPOV, e.g. [30], [31]. The article by User:AdilBaguirov heralded the emergence of an Azerbaijani off-wiki coordination and vote-staking project known “Baku’s 26 Commissars.” The project was managed by User:AdilBaguirov’s close friend User:Grandmaster. Full information about this operation can be found in an article on this page in RuWiki [32]. In particular, the article said:
The ArbCom found [33] that User:Grandmaster was the head of the cabal who coordinated edit war operations of a large number of Azerbaijani editors and organized vote-stacking during ArbCom elections [34]. Grandmaster evidently uses off-wiki coordination on the pages of English wiki as well: take a look at this curious exchange - [35], [36], which are requests of off-wiki communication between Grandmaster and User:Mursel, a suspected sock of User:Tuscumbia. A task of Grandmaster’s meat project is to create a series of articles with bogus content based entirely on propaganda material published in Azerbaijan, a country where the president-for-life Ilham Aliyev manages his oil dictatorship by whipping up ethnic hatred. Take a look at this curious series of articles whose content derives almost exclusively from Azerbaijani nationalist sources in crude violation of WP:NPOV: Guba mass grave, Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Garadaghly Massacre. One of such article, Agdaban Massacre, was recently deleted because of violation of WP:NPOV. These articles were created or edited by the same group of users who were mentioned in RuWiki’s ArbCom investigation: User:Interfase, User:Brandmeister, User:Tuscumbia, User:Quantum666. Winterbliss ( talk) 02:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
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I totally agree that imposing article-wide restrictions is unfair to new users. There could be new users who are more knowledgeable and better-behaving than older accounts. Grandmaster tries to discredit new users inventing implausible excuses like "There's no point in protecting the article now" and the like. SPIs are designed to detect socks, they were run and no socks were detected. Other measures to identify meats or socks proved the same. So, relax and assume good faith. But there are accounts that should be subjected to scrutiny in the first place - Grandmaster’s meatpuppets with identical names in ru and en wikis. Their access to editing should be restricted. It is well known User:Grandmaster is a proven and convicted meat-puppeteer. His farm of meatpuppets was discovered and exposed in RusWiki and is known as 26 Baku Commissars [43]. The ArbCom in RusWiki found that User:Grandmaster was the head of a cabal which coordinated edit warring of a large number of Azerbaijani editors and organized vote-stacking during ArbCom elections [44]. Only a blind cannot see that some or most Azerbaijani editors in English wiki too are likely to be meatpuppets managed by Grandmaster. Some of these suspected meatpuppets were so confident of their ability to evade detection that they never bothered to change their user names in English wiki. These are:
Most of other Azerbaijani users may be meatpuppets who changed their user names to evade detection and identification. These suspicious accounts include User:Angel670, User:NovaSkola, User:Dighapet, User:Mursel (suspected sock of User:Tuscumbia at least per WP:DUCK), User:Lava22T (a sleeper?), and others. These accounts should undergo cross-wiki SPIs for IP identification between Ruswiki and English wiki. I would modify Grandmaster's statement "There's no point in protecting the article now" into "There was no point in protecting the article all this time" because all this time the article was under the siege of Grandmaster's suspected meatpuppets who were tasked to prevent development. Winterbliss ( talk) 18:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Here is the latest version of my proposal.
A requirement of 500 article edits is similar to what is needed to get approval for WP:AWB. It is accepted that people need to be experienced to use AWB. My proposal would give an advantage to experienced editors when working the Nagorno-Karabakh article, while still allowing all editors to make uncontroversial improvements. The above version of the 500-edit proposal is what I'm intending to post in the AE thread. EdJohnston ( talk) 23:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I always wanted to ask administrators like you of you are a salaried employee of WP or a volunteer or a user like me but promoted to the rank of administrator? Will be glad to receive an answer. Thanks in advance for sharing this information. Winterbliss ( talk) 03:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I left a comment.-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 04:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
You helped me by putting the correct template on that courtesy blanked page. This is one of the many cases where I think in some imagined wonderful future, there will be an easier way. I don't know all the templates, and I don't want to know them. It's a shame that people need to know such things.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 11:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
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Just a general question. You said that misconduct is not required before a warning. However, is a warning required before any sanctions are handed down? And if one is, how should an editor be made aware of the warning? Meowy 20:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Tim. This case did have sanctions against Vlad Fedorov and two others who were not parties and were not named in the title of the case. Did you mean, no sanctions *still in effect* against non-parties? EdJohnston ( talk) 18:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I've been editing since March 2005, and an admin since November 2007, and today, while I was waiting for a train, I tried to edit the Jersey City Medical Center article from my iPhone, and got a message saying that blocked by you for BLP violations, with the block set to expire November 8, 2012. Even odder, the IP indicated is 166.137.136.0/22. I was unaware of any IPs with forward slashes in them, and I couldn't find this IP when I returned home and used my username account. Can you explain if this is a legitimate IP, and what BLP violations were committed from it? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 01:19, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Tim. The thread in AE forum [1] has been open for more than two weeks already, and I tend to believe the discussion has run its course. I guess, it is not unreasonable to request to put the issue to rest, and simply advise the interested parties to stick to productive discussion on talk pages of the article itself. Have a nice day. Winterbliss ( talk) 22:30, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Desysopping, I was expecting. Just don't shoot me. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 02:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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As a reminder, Mkat had allowed for 30 days before reviewing the indef. We are just a couple of days away from reaching it. Are you going to re-examine the case? I don't think Tom has done anything particularly objectionable since the ban was instated.-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 16:29, 7 March 2012 (UTC) I concur with TDA above, but emphasize that Tom hadn't done anything objectionable to begin with...Tom doesn't think so either gathering from his talkpage comments...when discussing the conspiracy theories behind 9/11, and the history of their evolution, it isn't news except to those poorly versed in these ridiculous theories that there was at least early on, a strong anti-Semitic overtone to many of them. Perhaps Tom could be asked to provide further background on this matter in his usertalk but that thesis may be too advanced for this pedia. MONGO 12:52, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
So, Tim, are you going to re-examine the ban on your own or are you going to want Tom to appeal it?-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 22:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
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Before you do anything, please review the following notes:
With respect, Jaakobou Chalk Talk 20:30, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw you had done some work on heavily-used gadgets. We're trying to start a library for gadget authors to use. Please check it out and post any questions or comments there. -- ☠ MarkAHershberger☢( talk)☣ 01:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Re [2]. Although Taiwan and the Republic of China aren't related to Macedonia or Ireland, the dispute around the naming of the Republic of China article is essentially identical as the previous disputes around Republic of Ireland and Republic of Macedonia. Further, only registered users may file a new case at WP:A/R/C. Would you reconsider your decision, or advise what I should do to file a new case? 61.18.170.26 ( talk) 18:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Suggestion_for_new_crats. MBisanz talk 22:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DHeyward ( talk • contribs) 07:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Re [3]. Although Taiwan and the Republic of China aren't related to Macedonia or Ireland, the dispute around the naming of the Republic of China article is essentially identical as the previous disputes around Republic of Ireland and Republic of Macedonia. Further, only registered users may file a new case at WP:A/R/C. Would you reconsider your decision, or advise what I should do to file a new case? 61.18.170.125 ( talk) 11:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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About a month ago, you said that you would look at Tom's edits in a few weeks, and lift the ban if you think it is appropriate. [4] Have you a had a chance to do so yet? A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 17:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
I saw you had done some work on heavily-used gadgets. We're trying to start a library for gadget authors to use. Please check it out and post any questions or comments there — ☠ MarkAHershberger☢( talk)☣ 18:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Chesdovi is specifically mentioning you in his appeal over on AE, although I'm certain you would see it on patrol, I thought I'd let you know. -- WGFinley ( talk) 18:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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[5] You placed 4 editors under an editing restriction. Well the RFC never happened and shortly after the restriction, another editor changed the article along exactly the lines I'd suggested. I currently have had 4 articles in my sandpit for a little under a year. I would like to move these to main but cannot whilst under editing restrictions. Its really frustrating as I have only ever edited productively but my edits were constantly reverted for no good reason by 2 editors who weren't about improving the article and yet because Arbcom and AE doesn't look at content they're classed as being of equal value. I would like to have my editing restriction removed but know from past experience that the Imalbornoz account will resurrect itself to frustrate my efforts. What should I do? Wee Curry Monster talk 12:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Since you are familiar with the editors involved would you mind reviewing this case, including my proposal?-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 14:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I edit-conflicted with you in pulling that one off the Main Page. Reaper Eternal ( talk) 15:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Oops! - I don't know what happened there, sorry! Thanks for the revert :) - Alison ❤ 19:20, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
I would like this article to be restored. I'm not sure what the justification was to delete it in the first place but the fact is that this is one of the first satellites launched by Europe. I'm really confused, why was this article dumped? -- U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 10:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I hope all this
Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Cold fusion 2 is normal housekeeping and not cuz I messed things up
Mlpearc (
powwow)
02:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
I've requested for permission to use Kissle. But it hasn't been reviewed. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 08:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Requires a developer to fix, see
bugzilla:34014.
Cheers,
Amalthea
07:07, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Tim, could you articulate the evidentiary basis of your comment [6], I see no violation by Volunteer Marek as Wikipedia:IBAN#Exceptions_to_limited_bans explicitly permits "asking an administrator to take action against a violation of an interaction ban by the other party" and WP:AE is one venue for asking for admin assistance. -- Nug ( talk) 10:18, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Please also examine the iterated baiting of YRC over a period of time and note that ArbCom in the p[ast has stated that baiting is also a blockable offence. I am not asking that YRC be ignored, only that those who baited him repreatedly over a period of time also be noted and, as a minimum, given strict warnings to stay away from him. Cheers. Collect ( talk) 12:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, then this is relevant [7]. VolunteerMarek 16:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Wikid77 here (I am not an admin). After hours of study, I have concluded that the block at User_talk:Youreallycan was unjustified (ANI link: ANI2339). The idea of a block was still being debated when this block was pre-maturely imposed. The incident revolved around the use of term "queer agenda" which is not an insult or derogatory term, with the common meaning of "queer" as being "odd" (or even "GLBT" which is also acceptable, as noted in an RfC mentioning "queer editors": RfC-diff-4374). Even a TV show popularized the term, " Queer as Folk" (pun on the archaic expression). Meanwhile, some editors expressed a prior hostility, wishing this editor to be blocked for past actions, already sanctioned by a warning, but that does not condone a " double jeopardy" to block an editor for past actions already cleared. Hence, there was no action, on the part of this editor, to justify this block. However, I realize when other editors start making hostile comments against another editor at ANI, it gives the illusion of wrong-doing, but WP does not block an editor merely because several people were upset with prior actions and wanted more severe punishment than the prior admin had decided. I was a formal debate judge, for years, so I am always watching to see if there is an improper non sequitor, unjustified conclusion, as there was in this case, of an unjustified block. The block against User:Youreallycan should be unblocked immediately. Plus, an apology should be given to the editor. Then, we need an essay that warns admins to beware hate-mongering about imposing punishment for past actions, already sanctioned, with no evidence supporting a new block. ANI often attracts people, as wp:Forum shopping, to gain retribution for past disagreements, at the slightest new incident. Reply here or there. Thanks. - Wikid77 ( talk) 10:30, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, there has been a puzzling frenzy of edits and reversions discussed at WP PLANTS that is involved with your block of the 69.171.160... range of IP's on 18th March. We've been wondering about this for a while, and I've come to imagine an innocent scenario that I really think worth accommodating if possible. The edits to orchid pages are voluminous, unsophisticated, but don't appear to be copyright violations (at least not major ones). They look very like the products of a class project (class projects to add material about particular species are fairly common). If that is the case, then the students are fighting a losing battle against the anti-vandalism editors who are reverting everything from that range of IP addresses, regardless of quality.
I don't understand the block mechanism at all well, but have the following requests about what I think would help this imaginary class and their imaginary professor. Does the block currently prevent people from those IP addresses from making signons? If so, could that be relaxed? Would it be possible to extend the block for longer than a year, so that if the same assignment is used in a future class it would be immediately apparent that the students need to find another way to edit (such as through proper signons)?
Thanks, and best wishes, Nadiatalent ( talk) 19:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Can you please look at this -- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Involved_editors_and_harassment
There are more in this thread, which I will be adding. It's sad that these editors are obvious persuing a grudge. You may want to check the link at the AE thread, as they are mentioning you too. Russavia ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) 19:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I have recently discovered a possible sock of user:TheREALCableGuy and did what I think is appropriate on the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheREALCableGuy page. I considered contacting user:Sven Manguard and user:DeltaQuad for help, but they both appear to be inactive presently. Unlike the previous cases where the socks were IPs and it was obvious that they were socks of cable guy, this case is suspicious, but I don't have concrete proof. user:Drmies advised me to place a checkuser request on the investigation page, which I have done. I do not know if I've done everything properly, as I am just an editor and haven't been involved in this sort of thing before. I am only trying to do the right thing and I would appreciate any help or guidance you could give me. If you can not, perhaps you could refer me to someone who could. Thanks. Sore bluto ( talk) 22:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to all of you for commenting on the NOINDEX RfC :). It's always great to be able to field questions like these to the community; it's genuinely the highlight of my work! The NOINDEX idea sprung from our New Page Triage discussion; we're developing a new patrolling interface for new articles, and we want your input like never before :). So if you haven't already seen it, please go there, take a look at the screenshots and mockups and ideas, and add any comments or suggestions you might have to the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 16:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be reluctance for admins or uninvolved editors to provide more input at WP:AE#Nagorno-Karabakh. I've reviewed the history of the Nagorno-Karabakh article since October, 2011 and made some findings.
One of the ideas you gave in the 'Result' section of this AE was to encourage admins to issue DUCK blocks (if I read you correctly). It looks to me that this would not suffice. I'd favor remedies that exclude *all* the sockish editors from participating at Nagorno-Karabakh, however that is achieved. I am somewhat concerned by long-term AA SPAs but the ones who are clearly not socks I find to be less alarming. (One of them identifies with the Armenian side, has 1,500 edits, and has been around since 2004). There is one guy who supports the Azeri side and has 75,000 edits though his history is not unblemished. Having him continue to participate seems OK to me. Unless it turns out that even the veterans misbehave.
How would you feel about the suggestion about a minimum requirement of 500 edits for participating at Nagorno-Karabakh? This requirement would exclude all the editors I consider sockish and it would take away the incentive for either side to create more socks.
The requirement for a minimum number of edits could be tweaked. Gatoclass proposed '500 mainspace edits outside the topic area' which is also reasonable, but harder to count quickly. That rule and the simpler rule of 500 total edits would both exclude *all* the sockish editors I found. 1000 edits would also work as a criterion, though it would exclude one editor in my sample who made only style fixes.
If you prefer not to discuss the issue here, or at all, you could move this to my talk page or delete it.
If the idea of 500 edits attracts any support, I am thinking that a post at WP:AN asking for comments might be appropriate. A post at AN sometimes gets useful feedback since it exposes the idea to people totally unconnected to the topic area. Thanks, EdJohnston ( talk) 17:01, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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User:Ehud Lesar was edit warring on the Nagorno-Karabakh page, and it did not take too long to establish a connection between Ehud and User:AdilBaguirov, and then between User:AdilBaguirov and User:Grandmaster—who seems to be his protector and promoter (meat-mentor?) [23]. [24]. All this points to a serious issue the ArbCom should deal— User:Grandmaster and his off-wiki operation known as 26 Baku Commissars. In other words, similarly to RuWiki, most Azerbaijani editors in English wiki as well are likely to be sock/meatpuppets managed by Grandmaster. This sock/meat farm is utilized to push edit war and promote highly tendentious content in AA2. To appreciate the true scope and structure of this operation, take a closer look at the article written by Grandmaster's friend User:AdilBaguirov in azer.com [25]. In this conspiratorial hate pamphlet called Wikipedia.org: Savvy Tool for Making Azerbaijan Known to the World, User:AdilBaguirov argues that the world’s encyclopedias are supposedly controlled by Armenians who conspired to methodically distort every notion about Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis. To counter that “deplorable state of affairs,” User:AdilBaguirov calls on Azerbaijanis to use Wikipedia as a tool (his word in the title) to take the ethnic war against Armenians deep into their intellectual domain. Here are some excerpts from the text:
More about User:AdilBaguirov and his ethno-racist background can be found here: [26]. Here it is also worth mentioning that in real life User:AdilBaguirov is a US-based Azerbaijani nationalist lobbyist who heads U.S. Azeris Network (USAN), www.usazeris.org. One of USAN’s main goals of is to harass random Americans of purportedly Armenian origin, especially those holding public office. USAN’s most recent target was Mr. Edward Semonian Jr. [27], who ran for the office of Circuit Court Clerk, Alexandria. USAN targeted Semonian simply because of his Armenian heritage [28]. The case of USAN’s harassment of Semonian is the real-life facet of Grandmaster’s and his meats’ main methodology in Wikipedia regarding academic sources: their racist argument is that if someone is suspected to have Armenian blood, family members or ancestry, he or she is to be automatically excluded from Wikipedia as a credible source. Just recently Grandmaster opposed to world-class academic reference the book called "The Caucasian Knot" [29] which is endorsed by Thomas de Waal, WP's top source on Nagorno-Karabakh, simply because he suspected Armenian heritage. Grandmaster’s meat-pals from RusWiki's ArbCom decision User:Brandmeister, User:Quantum and User:Tuscumbia all came under sanctions for their racist approach to WP:NPOV, e.g. [30], [31]. The article by User:AdilBaguirov heralded the emergence of an Azerbaijani off-wiki coordination and vote-staking project known “Baku’s 26 Commissars.” The project was managed by User:AdilBaguirov’s close friend User:Grandmaster. Full information about this operation can be found in an article on this page in RuWiki [32]. In particular, the article said:
The ArbCom found [33] that User:Grandmaster was the head of the cabal who coordinated edit war operations of a large number of Azerbaijani editors and organized vote-stacking during ArbCom elections [34]. Grandmaster evidently uses off-wiki coordination on the pages of English wiki as well: take a look at this curious exchange - [35], [36], which are requests of off-wiki communication between Grandmaster and User:Mursel, a suspected sock of User:Tuscumbia. A task of Grandmaster’s meat project is to create a series of articles with bogus content based entirely on propaganda material published in Azerbaijan, a country where the president-for-life Ilham Aliyev manages his oil dictatorship by whipping up ethnic hatred. Take a look at this curious series of articles whose content derives almost exclusively from Azerbaijani nationalist sources in crude violation of WP:NPOV: Guba mass grave, Malibeyli and Gushchular Massacre, Garadaghly Massacre. One of such article, Agdaban Massacre, was recently deleted because of violation of WP:NPOV. These articles were created or edited by the same group of users who were mentioned in RuWiki’s ArbCom investigation: User:Interfase, User:Brandmeister, User:Tuscumbia, User:Quantum666. Winterbliss ( talk) 02:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
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I totally agree that imposing article-wide restrictions is unfair to new users. There could be new users who are more knowledgeable and better-behaving than older accounts. Grandmaster tries to discredit new users inventing implausible excuses like "There's no point in protecting the article now" and the like. SPIs are designed to detect socks, they were run and no socks were detected. Other measures to identify meats or socks proved the same. So, relax and assume good faith. But there are accounts that should be subjected to scrutiny in the first place - Grandmaster’s meatpuppets with identical names in ru and en wikis. Their access to editing should be restricted. It is well known User:Grandmaster is a proven and convicted meat-puppeteer. His farm of meatpuppets was discovered and exposed in RusWiki and is known as 26 Baku Commissars [43]. The ArbCom in RusWiki found that User:Grandmaster was the head of a cabal which coordinated edit warring of a large number of Azerbaijani editors and organized vote-stacking during ArbCom elections [44]. Only a blind cannot see that some or most Azerbaijani editors in English wiki too are likely to be meatpuppets managed by Grandmaster. Some of these suspected meatpuppets were so confident of their ability to evade detection that they never bothered to change their user names in English wiki. These are:
Most of other Azerbaijani users may be meatpuppets who changed their user names to evade detection and identification. These suspicious accounts include User:Angel670, User:NovaSkola, User:Dighapet, User:Mursel (suspected sock of User:Tuscumbia at least per WP:DUCK), User:Lava22T (a sleeper?), and others. These accounts should undergo cross-wiki SPIs for IP identification between Ruswiki and English wiki. I would modify Grandmaster's statement "There's no point in protecting the article now" into "There was no point in protecting the article all this time" because all this time the article was under the siege of Grandmaster's suspected meatpuppets who were tasked to prevent development. Winterbliss ( talk) 18:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Here is the latest version of my proposal.
A requirement of 500 article edits is similar to what is needed to get approval for WP:AWB. It is accepted that people need to be experienced to use AWB. My proposal would give an advantage to experienced editors when working the Nagorno-Karabakh article, while still allowing all editors to make uncontroversial improvements. The above version of the 500-edit proposal is what I'm intending to post in the AE thread. EdJohnston ( talk) 23:22, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I always wanted to ask administrators like you of you are a salaried employee of WP or a volunteer or a user like me but promoted to the rank of administrator? Will be glad to receive an answer. Thanks in advance for sharing this information. Winterbliss ( talk) 03:46, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I left a comment.-- The Devil's Advocate ( talk) 04:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
You helped me by putting the correct template on that courtesy blanked page. This is one of the many cases where I think in some imagined wonderful future, there will be an easier way. I don't know all the templates, and I don't want to know them. It's a shame that people need to know such things.-- Jimbo Wales ( talk) 11:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)