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This is the fourth archive of The Duke of Waltham's talk page. The main discussion archived here concerns the development of an experimental succession-box template; the Four Principles for the Manual of Style also made their first appearance here before being further analysed elsewhere. Other messages were shorter (with the exception of a long general conversation with kkarma), from various editors and for different reasons, although several of them pertain to barnstars and secret pages. Here are stored all discussions beginning and ending in the time period from 1 January to 24 March 2008, i.e. the first three months of that year.
Archiving took place on 13 March, 17 March, 23 March, 4 April, and 24 April 2008.
-- Idontknow610 (WANNA SIGN??) 18:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[ Debivort's answer to a message here has been moved to join the rest of the conversation.]
Your Grace, in my work editing succession boxes for venues hosting events (like the NCAA Final Four and the DCI World Championships), I have run up against a limitation of the formatting. I despise seeing multiple boxes listed for hosting of these recurring events. An example would be the Louisiana Superdome's page with the Super Bowls. I worked on this page and "compressed" portions of that page for the Sugar Bowl Host and NCAA Men's Basketball tournament finals host. The biggest problem I encountered was getting the individual years to line up in a row and being unable to make the vertical spacing attractive in the before and after heading. So, I began working on a template to achieve this. Would you please take a look at the following page and offer feedback? User:Gwguffey/Succession Box Venue Thank you. - Gwguffey ( talk) 04:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Your Grace, I have followed your suggestion on transcluding the template in my userspace. If you would be kind enough to take a look at User:Gwguffey/Succession Box Venue/test and click 'edit the page' so that you can see what the end user would see. I completely understand that this may have been a mental exercise, but I would appreciate your feedback regardless. Gwguffey ( talk) 17:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Kind Sir, I have completed addressing the multi-line entry issue and would appreciate your taking a look at User:Gwguffey/Succession Box Venue/test for commentary. Your humble moat dredger, Gwguffey ( talk) 19:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Grace to the King, long live the Queen, and preserve the republic. Igor Berger ( talk) 16:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Duke I need the Ten Commandments and Moses! If you ever meet them let me know. Regards, Igor Berger ( talk) 10:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I'm pretty new to the whole succession box thing; in fact, I just came upon the need to edit a page with an existing {{ succession box}} layout for the first time today.
My usual approach when I find a template I'm unfamiliar with is to go to its page, so off I went to Template:Succession box. No doc of any kind. OK, my next stop is its talk page, since it seems that's where template documentation used to go prior to the Template:foo/doc convention being adopted. I found enough at the top of the page and elsewhere to satisfy me.
Note I mentioned the top of the page...
Now, I usually also go to the bottom of a template's talk page to look for late-breaking news, but somehow I managed to completely miss your entry about {{ S-start}}, and spent my time happily dinking away with {{succession box}} for my edits, and now it appears I was learning about and using the wrong, old stuff. I think part of the reason is that the title of the entry, "Template:S-start", meant nothing to me out of context.
So anyway, I have a few suggestions:
Hope this helps! The project looks like a worthy one, and I look forward to using the new templates. I just wanted to give the perspective of a maybe-typical clueless editor, in the hopes that there's a way to get others like me to the right place as quickly as possible. Cheers,-- NapoliRoma ( talk) 20:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
about my New Years gong, but for the record, I happen to be male. Very busy this spring, but hope to take more in hand afterwards. Long life to Your Grace, etc. Choess ( talk) 13:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Greetings my lord. I am a humble servant of your lordship for many years and i would be happy to be in your service for many years to come. I am sending this letter because i would like to thank you for those words you wrote in your letter i received when i first came. If your Lordship requires anything ... please name it.
Your servant, Crazyjim the magician —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazyjim87 ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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-- Zeitgespenst ( talk) 01:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting how things are going at WP:MOS, yes? Just one thing: from the evidence of one recent contribution of yours, I think you may have assigned me a wrong gender (unless it is I who have been mistaken all these years, which is at least an abstract possibility). Note that νοητικά is to be taken as a neuter plural, like φυσικά meaning "physics". Εν τάξει? A perfectly understandable mistake, since I give something less than zero information about myself at my userpage. I enjoy being a featureless cyberentity; but I'll have to change that, since it's impractical. Expect a more developed userpage soon.
All the best for your exams, young Waltham.
– Noetica♬♩ Talk 18:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye out on the main page, we need MOS afficionados to keep an eye on all those ndashes!! I think the vast majority update the recent archives, it is only rarely missed, and usually when it is, the next admin will do it anyway. Regards. Woody ( talk) 18:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Is awsome, and you deserve this several times over. I've read through your whole article and the subpages and still can't stop laughing/smiling, whatever's appropriate.
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The Excellent Userpage Award | |
To His Grace: to His superior User page and all its content we must kowtow. If there is a place in royalty for a sense of humor, the Duke certainly sets a new standard it in the best possible way, and may a thousand suns expire before that valuable quality does. ALTON .ıl 09:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC) |
Hi Waltham. I will always answer messages at my page, OK? Keeps discussion in one place.
– Noetica♬♩ Talk 23:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The quotation marks show exactly what people who know me might have noticed: I barely stayed off Wikipedia for more than two or three days at any time. In any case, I am officially back, so I guess that I shall usually edit with my usual level of efficiency. Waltham, The Duke of 14:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
If you read the beginning, that's a level 1 secret page, and the 2nd one is nearly impossible. 3 people have found it... ever. I made an obviously easy one to encourage people to look for the difficult one. нмŵוτн τ 22:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I love your user page! -- AStanhope ( talk) 19:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I found it! I thought I was going crazy, because I've looked for it for three hours now (pathetic, I know), so I finally cheated and used
the prefix finder, and I figured it out! I won't say it here, and ruin the surprise, but I must say, well done. :]
ElisaEXPLOSiON
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23:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Having reviewed the discussion about the relations between the Manual of Style and its satellites, seeing that there is no consensus amongst editors in creating a hierarchy where the main MoS will have precedence over its subpages even on a provisional basis, and believing that we as Wikipedians must find ways to ensure that there will be no discrepancies between the individual parts of the Greater Manual of Style, but there will be a unified, cohesive, and consistent style aid useful to all the esteemed editors of this noble encyclopaedia, I hereby submit to thee:
The following four principles, which I have written in an attempt to establish a framework upon which, in my not-so-humble opinion, the relations between the various pages of MoS ought to be defined. In other words, they are intended to provide a foundation where the process of guideline revising can be built with the least possible controversy and disagreement. These principles are based on a viewpoint of the Manual of Style as a bi-level structure, comprising a main page and a number of specialised "subpages" with parenthetical designations. This proposition only concerns the Manual of Style and does not at all take into consideration the relations between the MoS and other guides, like layout- and categorisation-related pages.
All in all, I believe that every change to style guidelines ought to be discussed, agreed upon, and then applied to both the main page and the relevant subpages, or not be applied at all. Discussion should take place in the most appropriate venue with the participation of all interested parties ensured. All discrepancies should be ironed out with discussion in the proper venues after a careful mapping of the guidelines and in how many places each is encountered. It will be hard work in the beginning, but I have high hopes for its effectiveness and long-term benefits. The role of a WikiProject overseeing this process would ideally be one of organisation and advise: it would organise the guideline structure, monitor the MoS-related discussions, and answer the questions of editors (serving as a style help desk of sorts). It would not discuss changing the guidelines, but the way in which guidelines shall change.
I am fully aware of the fact that there is too much disagreement in this area for this proposal to go far, but I am confident that a full-fledged plan like this one will be taken more seriously than any half-measures (and leave much less room for misunderstandings); if it isn't this one, it will certainly be another. I now require your feedback, and hope for the best. I shall, of course, answer any questions which may arise. Waltham, The Duke of 14:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
P.S.: I wrote this (for WT:MOS) before seeing the new project's page, and only edited it slightly afterwards. I more or less agree with the WikiProject's goals as they are outlined at the moment; although I am far from an expert in style matters, I have joined because I consider myself useful for the organising effort that will definitely be needed by the project. Waltham, The Duke of
Ah, Waltham! Good to see you at work at WT:MOSCO. I'm monitoring developments there, but holding back for now on contributing. I do like the idea of calling the subsidiary pages satellites, of course. I subtly though not subliminally planted the idea in your mind several times in the discussions about the hard space, and in fact I used the image here, back on 10 December 2007. Meh. Whatever. Some good name has to be found, but it's hard to get agreement on anything.
A renewal of the hard-space campaign soon. I'm preoccupied on other fronts at the moment. I trust all is well with you.
– Noetica♬♩ Talk 11:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I was reading the greeting and general rules of your talk page, and noticed that some letters were italicized. The letters were: A, N, D, B, and X. (Not counting the word 'not' that is italicized.)
At first I thought it might be a secret message, but became totally confused after the 'B' and 'X'.
Maybe you could shed some light on this for me. :D
Thanks!
kkarma ( talk) 15:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks!
kkarma ( talk) 23:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
kkarma ( talk) 00:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I actually don't remember how I found you, but I searched Waltham after seeing your username, and because England and it's minor cities/towns/villages are of major intrest to me. (I like your real page better, by the way User:The_Duke_of_Waltham/Personality.) And I don't get why people are mean to the new kids. You'd think you would want to welcome them, and make them want to stay. Otherwise, this would be like a ghost town. And to anyone who reads this, and wants to help me, the secret letters spell sandbox. kkarma ( talk) 16:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I may be a newbie, but I'm not stupid. And when does someone ever stop being a newbie, anyway? I believe in an ideal life, you learn something new everyday. kkarma ( talk) 04:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
That would make you a fellow newbie, too, if it is impossible to move up this caste system. kkarma ( talk) 03:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Haaa, you're a kid from Greece. Not some Duke from England. Do you have multiple personalities? And you said that I "shall always be a newbie," so therefore, I cannot move up in the caste system, and neither can you. Once a newbie, always a newbie. And I really don't see why it's an insult? I'd rather be new at something and able to learn more, than have been involved with something for years and years, and have nothing left to learn. kkarma ( talk) 01:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, then hurry back, Duke. :D kkarma ( talk) 03:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Just because your four years older than me doesn't mean I can't call you a kid. And it's just plain rude for you to call me a boy when you obviously know that I'm a girl. You shouldn't take such offense to me saying that you are a kid. It wasn't meant in a derogatory way. Good luck with your future Wikipedian endeavours. kkarma ( talk) 21:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I just put the userboxes in the order I found them... mostly. Slytherins are not filthy, since you have to be pureblood to get in. :D And all Ravenclaws do is study, read, repeat. And for Invisible Pink Unicorn's sake, lets all get along. :D (Yes, a Slytherin suggesting peace. Imagine that.) kkarma ( talk) 01:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
“ | About the Houses, now. I consider myself a more or less typical Ravenclaw, based on both my character and aspirations. I am relying on a wonderful essay at Red Hen, which thoroughly analyses the four Houses and tackles the question of why Neville Longbottom was not Sorted into Hufflepuff (yes, it is a quite old writing). It also includes a theory about the Sorting Hat having being tampered with; a theory I was fond of, even though it has turned out not to be anything more substantial.
The entire collection of Potterverse-related essays is quite extensive, and tremendously interesting, though perhaps not as much as it used to be before the publication of Deathly Hallows. I warn you that the essays may be a little sharp-tongued as far as the aforementioned book is concerned; I have not yet read the essays of the latest revision (last October—they have been revised twice a year up to now) due to a lack of time, but I have corresponded with their author. The main page of the collection is http://www.redhen-publications.com/Potterverse.html , and the specific essay about the Houses is this one. I hope you find them enjoyable and educating. |
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I won't lie and say I've read the whole essay (since it is quite long, and my attention span short), but I have definatly bookmarked it, and plan to read the whole thing. From what I've read, it does have a point about Neville possibly being in the wrong house. Ever since I began reading the books (my fifth grade teacher made us read it, and I fell in love with the books), I always hoped that Neville would play a greater role than the kid who can't do anything right, especially since Seamus Finnigan had that role taken care of. And I had always wondered why Harry was chosen, and not Neville. (Could you imagine, "Neville Longbottom: Falling from a Broom" for the first book title?) Anyway, needless to say, I was overjoyed when Neville destroyed the last Horcrux. I find it ironic, that all through out the books, we all think he should have been in Hufflepuff, and he ends up marrying Hannah Abbot... a Hufflepuff! (J.K. Rowling said he married her a while back. http://www.newsweek.com/id/50787) Anywho. Thanks for showing me that website. I'm sure I'll spend more hours than needed reading there. :D kka rma 15:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I made my signature in small font. :] Squint and maybe you can see it. Anyway, I think it was in 2003 that I started reading, seeing as I was in fifth grade then. I remember half the class wasn't allowed to read the book, so it was just like, me and four other kids reading the book. I never really understood what the big deal was. I mean, Disney movies has just as much magical stuff and you don't hear people saying anything about that. I guess people just pick and choose. Anyway, after you mentioned you have the books in Greek, I got to wondering, is it common for most people in Greece to be so fluent in English? kka rma 18:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Foreign languages here are ... well, foreign. It's rare to find someone who can talk half way decent in any other language (in my area, anyway). But I remember in middle school, we were learning about ancient Greece, and it had a picture of part of the Greek Alphabet. My friends and I decided that we would copy those letters, and make up the rest, and use them to write notes to each other. That way, if a teacher caught us passing notes, they wouldn't be able to read it. :D Anyway. Is Greece really as beautiful as all the movies and brochures make it out to be? Because sometimes I see ads on t.v. trying to convince people to stay in-state for vacations and such, and I see places that really aren't as pretty as they make them out to be. But I'm sure anything near the ocean is gorgeous. ...Sorry to be asking so many questions. I just love anywhere but the U.S. :D kka rma 03:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Haa, the U.S. is just... BLAH. We currently don't have a major problem with a sanitation workers strike... but we did have a writers strike a little while back. Which lead to a lot of crappy reality shows for a while. Anyway, I'll have to look up the Elfish script. (Is it the writing that was inscribed on the inside of the ring?) I have to admit, I've only ever seen the LOTR movies. The books are on my 'To Read' list, though. kka rma 00:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it took me a second to realize where our post had gone. :D And poor Cartwright. You should have just waited until after he woke up to make him open the archives for you, you unpatient lord. Make sure Cartwright gets my apologies for our long conversation and it's need to be archived. :D Anywho, it does sound like Greece is having some problems. I wonder why it's never on our news here. In fact, it is very rare for us to get news of anything other than a looming recession, and the Iraq war, which I am sure everyone in the world is beyond tired of hearing about. But, in recent months, since we have a presidental election coming up, we get to watch the candidates rip each other to pieces. In fact, I think our news only covered the problems in Myanmar... (or Burma, whatever it's called now,) for a couple of days. And from what I've heard, they're still having problems. It seems like if you want to know anything about what's going on in the world, you have to search for it yourself; and that's where the internet comes in handy. What caused all the strikes in Greece? I just looked it up on Google, and it mentioned something about pension plans. I'd be terrifyed, if I lived there. Blackouts, a possiblity of the ATMs running out of money, etc. kka rma 19:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that most Americans choose to shut out the rest of the world. It's just whatever the media feeds us, we take with little to no questions asked, unless it threatens us directly. I guess that is one of our main faults; not caring what's happening unless it is happening to us. From some other people I've talked to, I'm actually kind of shocked at how much the world watches us, and some of the opinions people have of the general American public. I've actually heard that some people blame us for what our president does. Which makes no sense to me, because at one point, I believe the countrys approval rating of Bush was around 30%. As for the recession, I think I've only heard anything about the stock market in Japan or China slumping, but other than that, the media here makes it out as if we are the only one's with with money troubles. In fact, now that I think about it, they were making it out as if the rest of the world depdends on us, which I believe to be a load of crap. The world did just fine before we were even founded some mere 200 years ago. Compared to other countries, that have been around for thousands of years, we're nothing but a toddler in the global community. kka rma 01:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
(I couldn't get on Wikipedia for a while, either. Freaked me out a bit.) Anyways, yes, the public education system here is absolutly horrible. I've gone to three different high schools looking for a decent one (and I'm only in my second year of high school), and I never found one. Some were slightly better than the other, but I ended up being homeschooled with an online private school. I have learned more in these past few months of this one school than I have in my entire public school career, believe it or not. I remember being frustrated in 8th grade (the equivalent of grade 9 in the U.K. I think) that our history teacher spent her hour and a half making us listen to her rap music instead of teaching us anything about history. She even looked shocked when we all failed our history exams, too. Lately, on my local news, they have even admited to saying that the public schools these days are nothing but drop out factories. Some schools are so bad with gang related problems, that police are routinely called out to help stop fights and riots. Just a month ago, the school that most of my friends go to, had a major riot. Fifteen kids went to jail, and one to the hospital with head injuries, along with a police officer who got stabbed. At that particular school, it's a daily occurance for fights to break out. I used to joke that the school should charge a cover charge for the fights we got to see, then maybe they'd be able to afford more rent-a-cops to control us. That school also has a day care for the many pregnant teens they have wondering their halls. Not to mention, the school was grossly over crowded. It was meant to hold only 1000 students, but was being forced to contain 1400 kids. Seems the whole world is falling apart, if we can't even keep kids in order, let alone the adults. Did you know that most people in the U.S. believe global warming to be a hoax. The CBS national news reported about a year ago, that it was possible that global warming was just a hoax, and since then, it has been nearly impossible to convince anyone otherwise. It absolutly bewilders me how anyone can say that all the smog around our cities, and the rapidly falling and rising temperatures can be normal. Actually, tomorrow it is supposed to be 70 degrees F, then on Wednesday, it is to be no higher than 50 degrees F. I mean, that's a 20 degree difference in ONE day. Yet no one will believe it. And I can't even imagine what would happen if all the gasoline were to be gone. I remember shortly after September 11, everyone was rushing to get as much food and gasoline as they could. People were stealing gasoline, and ramming cars to get others to move along. And that was just with the possiblity of the price going up. Imagine if it were all gone. I don't remember where I heard it, but sometime shortly after that, they reported that the U.S. oil reserves had just enough to last the country just a few days. But with the way people would be hoarding, it would get to few people in even less time. And I fear the worst has yet to come. kka rma 03:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Drugs are a for-sure problem here. My first day in middle school, (at the tender age of eleven) some guy tried to sell me crack. It's ridiculous. By the next school year, most of my friends were smoking pot and cigarettes, and breaking into the coke and candy machines. Speaking of candy machines, obesity is horrid here, too. I think the US is one of the worst countries in that area, too. There should be some sort of international wall of shame, or something.
As for the world slowly wasting away at the hands of humans, we should run out of fossil fuels and such within the next century, shouldn't we? Maybe the decline in production will scare leaders into making decisions that leave a bigger impact, in a good way. If not, the world's population (that uses cars, anyway) will go bankrupt trying to pay for the gasoline to get to work and such, as the supply drops and the demand gets higher. (Thanks for putting this in sections. Poor Cartwright; you'll probably decide to archive this in the wee hours of the morning (again), and wake his poor blessed soul, yet again.
kka
rma
04:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
No, I heard well. And I saw well, too. The guy held up a bag full of smaller bags filled with a white clumpy powder. But of course, maybe it was just white rock candy.
As for obesity in the US, I'm sure it is around 70 per cent or higher, but most websites claim that women are 62% obese or overweight, while men are 67% obese or overweight. Kids are around 30%. And you would think with how weight obsessed we are here, (with all the stalking of celebrities and such) that we would all be a bit smaller. But, that's where Anorexia comes in, I suppose. And as for genetic make-ups predisposing people to obesity, it would be really hard to say that, since we are so mixed. But, with the global famine and (as you mentioned) water drought that is probably soon to come, we'd all better fatten up.
I've just heard last night about a seed bank that they built in the arctic. But what I don't understand about it, is if it's so indestructable, how are we to get into it if the world falls apart? And then, if we do get into it, how do we decide who gets what? It was a minor step in the right direction, but I don't think it was thought all the way through. Or, maybe it was, and they're planning on keeping it all to themselves. (I can hear the conspiracy theories now...)
kka
rma
17:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
PS: I shall always feel bad for Cartwright while he is under your rule, Duke. :D
kka
rma
Everyone deserves a little bit of sympathy, even Cartwright.
As for Earth Hour, the only noticable thing was that Google's page was black instead of white, which I only noticed after friends started calling saying how cool it looked. Otherwise, the downtown part of the city was as bright as usual.
And don't worry about rushing to answer my replies. (As if a Duke would worry about answering lowly subjects, anyhow.) I'm sure the less frequent conversation will at least prolong Cartwright's impending late night archiving endeavours.
kka
rma
19:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure people would be more eager if we could somehow show them how the world is going to be soon, if they don't do something.
And does everyone else in the world say 'flat' instead of 'apartment' or 'house'? I thought only people in the UK said 'flat'.
I hope to never see the day that I prove to be unuseful (and for that to happen, I need to figure out how I am useful). At least, if I do live to see that day, I have a feeling I won't live to see very much of it.
kka
rma
01:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
It does sound easy to just sit and wait to see what happens; but scary, too, for what will probably happen. As for hearing about it on the news... I stopped watching the news a lot, because of all the Obama and Clinton fighting. I was about ready to throw my t.v. out into the yard. So, now I just read about stuff that sounds weird on the internet. (As for being useful... I intend to never shut up, now. Unless your royal Dukeness gives me permission, that is. :]) Sorry, Cartwright! kka rma 21:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Oops, a little bit of a silence there. Sorry, Duke.
Anyway, I hope that there will be only subtle changes, and not many major problems (such as everyone becoming homeless when they cannot afford to even go to work anymore, since gas prices will be sky-high.)
And I love the BBC. I think they are one of the very few news channels that gives a global perspective.
As for my duties for you, my Duke, I shall do my absolute best. :]
kka
rma
01:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Duke, I don't want to see momentum lost on your 5 (oh, pardon me, five) principles, which look very good to me ... but there's not a lot of discussion. Hopefully that means people are in awe of your brilliance, or feel the job is mostly finished, rather than disagreeing. I do feel that either an understanding of what actions to take based on the five principles, or possibly a sixth principle (maybe "less is more"?), would be helpful. Obviously I've comprised my own persuasiveness (moral: never try to do therapy and engage in complex conflict at the same time :). Perhaps you could bring up the point. Please look at the three sentences I left on "sixth point" after I removed my unhelpful reflections. Maybe better would be something like: "When divergence of opinion has lead to long, complicated, or conflicting guidelines, work towards clarity and brevity using whatever works best: engagement, persuasion, bargaining, or yielding on points that are not critical." - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 17:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Destructo 087/Userboxes/Fooled2
I am sorry but the reason why I give you that box is because I do not have a better one at this time but I am trying to make one. But as for the removale of your signiture out of the list it is for me to make it easier when I go to send more. I do understand why and thanks to you I will make a page for people who found my secret page and just copy all names there in the future. Thank you for your time in reading this and for your helpful critism.-- Destructo Talk to me 01:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure that Cartwright will be much happier once the earlier thread is archived. My only question is what should the next step be regarding this topic once I am caught up with my weeding and tilling? You had mentioning something about discussion at SBS later this month. Your humble under-gardener, Gwguffey ( talk) 18:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
User:ComputerGuy890100/HiddenLinkAward
You may put the following code onto your awards area to show you have been on my secret area.
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>If you want us to stop taking you seriously, you're trying too hard. (evil grin) - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 14:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
On main page errors: "I have noticed the word "centre" in the fifth hook. It seemed strange to me because I am used to seeing American English in the Main Page. Is "centre" an error or is the practice with language variants more complex than I thought?"
User:Destructo 087/Userboxes/Hiddenpage-- Destructo Talk to me 02:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I didn't think of that until you mentioned it. I can't think at the moment of a good reason for a dash in a page title, but I can think of bad reasons. Do you know of any pages currently with dashes in the title? - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 13:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
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This is the fourth archive of The Duke of Waltham's talk page. The main discussion archived here concerns the development of an experimental succession-box template; the Four Principles for the Manual of Style also made their first appearance here before being further analysed elsewhere. Other messages were shorter (with the exception of a long general conversation with kkarma), from various editors and for different reasons, although several of them pertain to barnstars and secret pages. Here are stored all discussions beginning and ending in the time period from 1 January to 24 March 2008, i.e. the first three months of that year.
Archiving took place on 13 March, 17 March, 23 March, 4 April, and 24 April 2008.
-- Idontknow610 (WANNA SIGN??) 18:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
[ Debivort's answer to a message here has been moved to join the rest of the conversation.]
Your Grace, in my work editing succession boxes for venues hosting events (like the NCAA Final Four and the DCI World Championships), I have run up against a limitation of the formatting. I despise seeing multiple boxes listed for hosting of these recurring events. An example would be the Louisiana Superdome's page with the Super Bowls. I worked on this page and "compressed" portions of that page for the Sugar Bowl Host and NCAA Men's Basketball tournament finals host. The biggest problem I encountered was getting the individual years to line up in a row and being unable to make the vertical spacing attractive in the before and after heading. So, I began working on a template to achieve this. Would you please take a look at the following page and offer feedback? User:Gwguffey/Succession Box Venue Thank you. - Gwguffey ( talk) 04:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Your Grace, I have followed your suggestion on transcluding the template in my userspace. If you would be kind enough to take a look at User:Gwguffey/Succession Box Venue/test and click 'edit the page' so that you can see what the end user would see. I completely understand that this may have been a mental exercise, but I would appreciate your feedback regardless. Gwguffey ( talk) 17:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Kind Sir, I have completed addressing the multi-line entry issue and would appreciate your taking a look at User:Gwguffey/Succession Box Venue/test for commentary. Your humble moat dredger, Gwguffey ( talk) 19:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Grace to the King, long live the Queen, and preserve the republic. Igor Berger ( talk) 16:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Duke I need the Ten Commandments and Moses! If you ever meet them let me know. Regards, Igor Berger ( talk) 10:05, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I'm pretty new to the whole succession box thing; in fact, I just came upon the need to edit a page with an existing {{ succession box}} layout for the first time today.
My usual approach when I find a template I'm unfamiliar with is to go to its page, so off I went to Template:Succession box. No doc of any kind. OK, my next stop is its talk page, since it seems that's where template documentation used to go prior to the Template:foo/doc convention being adopted. I found enough at the top of the page and elsewhere to satisfy me.
Note I mentioned the top of the page...
Now, I usually also go to the bottom of a template's talk page to look for late-breaking news, but somehow I managed to completely miss your entry about {{ S-start}}, and spent my time happily dinking away with {{succession box}} for my edits, and now it appears I was learning about and using the wrong, old stuff. I think part of the reason is that the title of the entry, "Template:S-start", meant nothing to me out of context.
So anyway, I have a few suggestions:
Hope this helps! The project looks like a worthy one, and I look forward to using the new templates. I just wanted to give the perspective of a maybe-typical clueless editor, in the hopes that there's a way to get others like me to the right place as quickly as possible. Cheers,-- NapoliRoma ( talk) 20:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
about my New Years gong, but for the record, I happen to be male. Very busy this spring, but hope to take more in hand afterwards. Long life to Your Grace, etc. Choess ( talk) 13:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Greetings my lord. I am a humble servant of your lordship for many years and i would be happy to be in your service for many years to come. I am sending this letter because i would like to thank you for those words you wrote in your letter i received when i first came. If your Lordship requires anything ... please name it.
Your servant, Crazyjim the magician —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazyjim87 ( talk • contribs) 09:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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-- Zeitgespenst ( talk) 01:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Interesting how things are going at WP:MOS, yes? Just one thing: from the evidence of one recent contribution of yours, I think you may have assigned me a wrong gender (unless it is I who have been mistaken all these years, which is at least an abstract possibility). Note that νοητικά is to be taken as a neuter plural, like φυσικά meaning "physics". Εν τάξει? A perfectly understandable mistake, since I give something less than zero information about myself at my userpage. I enjoy being a featureless cyberentity; but I'll have to change that, since it's impractical. Expect a more developed userpage soon.
All the best for your exams, young Waltham.
– Noetica♬♩ Talk 18:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye out on the main page, we need MOS afficionados to keep an eye on all those ndashes!! I think the vast majority update the recent archives, it is only rarely missed, and usually when it is, the next admin will do it anyway. Regards. Woody ( talk) 18:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Is awsome, and you deserve this several times over. I've read through your whole article and the subpages and still can't stop laughing/smiling, whatever's appropriate.
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To His Grace: to His superior User page and all its content we must kowtow. If there is a place in royalty for a sense of humor, the Duke certainly sets a new standard it in the best possible way, and may a thousand suns expire before that valuable quality does. ALTON .ıl 09:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC) |
Hi Waltham. I will always answer messages at my page, OK? Keeps discussion in one place.
– Noetica♬♩ Talk 23:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The quotation marks show exactly what people who know me might have noticed: I barely stayed off Wikipedia for more than two or three days at any time. In any case, I am officially back, so I guess that I shall usually edit with my usual level of efficiency. Waltham, The Duke of 14:39, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
If you read the beginning, that's a level 1 secret page, and the 2nd one is nearly impossible. 3 people have found it... ever. I made an obviously easy one to encourage people to look for the difficult one. нмŵוτн τ 22:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I love your user page! -- AStanhope ( talk) 19:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I found it! I thought I was going crazy, because I've looked for it for three hours now (pathetic, I know), so I finally cheated and used
the prefix finder, and I figured it out! I won't say it here, and ruin the surprise, but I must say, well done. :]
ElisaEXPLOSiON
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23:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Having reviewed the discussion about the relations between the Manual of Style and its satellites, seeing that there is no consensus amongst editors in creating a hierarchy where the main MoS will have precedence over its subpages even on a provisional basis, and believing that we as Wikipedians must find ways to ensure that there will be no discrepancies between the individual parts of the Greater Manual of Style, but there will be a unified, cohesive, and consistent style aid useful to all the esteemed editors of this noble encyclopaedia, I hereby submit to thee:
The following four principles, which I have written in an attempt to establish a framework upon which, in my not-so-humble opinion, the relations between the various pages of MoS ought to be defined. In other words, they are intended to provide a foundation where the process of guideline revising can be built with the least possible controversy and disagreement. These principles are based on a viewpoint of the Manual of Style as a bi-level structure, comprising a main page and a number of specialised "subpages" with parenthetical designations. This proposition only concerns the Manual of Style and does not at all take into consideration the relations between the MoS and other guides, like layout- and categorisation-related pages.
All in all, I believe that every change to style guidelines ought to be discussed, agreed upon, and then applied to both the main page and the relevant subpages, or not be applied at all. Discussion should take place in the most appropriate venue with the participation of all interested parties ensured. All discrepancies should be ironed out with discussion in the proper venues after a careful mapping of the guidelines and in how many places each is encountered. It will be hard work in the beginning, but I have high hopes for its effectiveness and long-term benefits. The role of a WikiProject overseeing this process would ideally be one of organisation and advise: it would organise the guideline structure, monitor the MoS-related discussions, and answer the questions of editors (serving as a style help desk of sorts). It would not discuss changing the guidelines, but the way in which guidelines shall change.
I am fully aware of the fact that there is too much disagreement in this area for this proposal to go far, but I am confident that a full-fledged plan like this one will be taken more seriously than any half-measures (and leave much less room for misunderstandings); if it isn't this one, it will certainly be another. I now require your feedback, and hope for the best. I shall, of course, answer any questions which may arise. Waltham, The Duke of 14:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
P.S.: I wrote this (for WT:MOS) before seeing the new project's page, and only edited it slightly afterwards. I more or less agree with the WikiProject's goals as they are outlined at the moment; although I am far from an expert in style matters, I have joined because I consider myself useful for the organising effort that will definitely be needed by the project. Waltham, The Duke of
Ah, Waltham! Good to see you at work at WT:MOSCO. I'm monitoring developments there, but holding back for now on contributing. I do like the idea of calling the subsidiary pages satellites, of course. I subtly though not subliminally planted the idea in your mind several times in the discussions about the hard space, and in fact I used the image here, back on 10 December 2007. Meh. Whatever. Some good name has to be found, but it's hard to get agreement on anything.
A renewal of the hard-space campaign soon. I'm preoccupied on other fronts at the moment. I trust all is well with you.
– Noetica♬♩ Talk 11:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
I was reading the greeting and general rules of your talk page, and noticed that some letters were italicized. The letters were: A, N, D, B, and X. (Not counting the word 'not' that is italicized.)
At first I thought it might be a secret message, but became totally confused after the 'B' and 'X'.
Maybe you could shed some light on this for me. :D
Thanks!
kkarma ( talk) 15:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks!
kkarma ( talk) 23:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
kkarma ( talk) 00:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I actually don't remember how I found you, but I searched Waltham after seeing your username, and because England and it's minor cities/towns/villages are of major intrest to me. (I like your real page better, by the way User:The_Duke_of_Waltham/Personality.) And I don't get why people are mean to the new kids. You'd think you would want to welcome them, and make them want to stay. Otherwise, this would be like a ghost town. And to anyone who reads this, and wants to help me, the secret letters spell sandbox. kkarma ( talk) 16:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I may be a newbie, but I'm not stupid. And when does someone ever stop being a newbie, anyway? I believe in an ideal life, you learn something new everyday. kkarma ( talk) 04:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
That would make you a fellow newbie, too, if it is impossible to move up this caste system. kkarma ( talk) 03:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Haaa, you're a kid from Greece. Not some Duke from England. Do you have multiple personalities? And you said that I "shall always be a newbie," so therefore, I cannot move up in the caste system, and neither can you. Once a newbie, always a newbie. And I really don't see why it's an insult? I'd rather be new at something and able to learn more, than have been involved with something for years and years, and have nothing left to learn. kkarma ( talk) 01:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, then hurry back, Duke. :D kkarma ( talk) 03:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Just because your four years older than me doesn't mean I can't call you a kid. And it's just plain rude for you to call me a boy when you obviously know that I'm a girl. You shouldn't take such offense to me saying that you are a kid. It wasn't meant in a derogatory way. Good luck with your future Wikipedian endeavours. kkarma ( talk) 21:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I just put the userboxes in the order I found them... mostly. Slytherins are not filthy, since you have to be pureblood to get in. :D And all Ravenclaws do is study, read, repeat. And for Invisible Pink Unicorn's sake, lets all get along. :D (Yes, a Slytherin suggesting peace. Imagine that.) kkarma ( talk) 01:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
“ | About the Houses, now. I consider myself a more or less typical Ravenclaw, based on both my character and aspirations. I am relying on a wonderful essay at Red Hen, which thoroughly analyses the four Houses and tackles the question of why Neville Longbottom was not Sorted into Hufflepuff (yes, it is a quite old writing). It also includes a theory about the Sorting Hat having being tampered with; a theory I was fond of, even though it has turned out not to be anything more substantial.
The entire collection of Potterverse-related essays is quite extensive, and tremendously interesting, though perhaps not as much as it used to be before the publication of Deathly Hallows. I warn you that the essays may be a little sharp-tongued as far as the aforementioned book is concerned; I have not yet read the essays of the latest revision (last October—they have been revised twice a year up to now) due to a lack of time, but I have corresponded with their author. The main page of the collection is http://www.redhen-publications.com/Potterverse.html , and the specific essay about the Houses is this one. I hope you find them enjoyable and educating. |
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I won't lie and say I've read the whole essay (since it is quite long, and my attention span short), but I have definatly bookmarked it, and plan to read the whole thing. From what I've read, it does have a point about Neville possibly being in the wrong house. Ever since I began reading the books (my fifth grade teacher made us read it, and I fell in love with the books), I always hoped that Neville would play a greater role than the kid who can't do anything right, especially since Seamus Finnigan had that role taken care of. And I had always wondered why Harry was chosen, and not Neville. (Could you imagine, "Neville Longbottom: Falling from a Broom" for the first book title?) Anyway, needless to say, I was overjoyed when Neville destroyed the last Horcrux. I find it ironic, that all through out the books, we all think he should have been in Hufflepuff, and he ends up marrying Hannah Abbot... a Hufflepuff! (J.K. Rowling said he married her a while back. http://www.newsweek.com/id/50787) Anywho. Thanks for showing me that website. I'm sure I'll spend more hours than needed reading there. :D kka rma 15:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I made my signature in small font. :] Squint and maybe you can see it. Anyway, I think it was in 2003 that I started reading, seeing as I was in fifth grade then. I remember half the class wasn't allowed to read the book, so it was just like, me and four other kids reading the book. I never really understood what the big deal was. I mean, Disney movies has just as much magical stuff and you don't hear people saying anything about that. I guess people just pick and choose. Anyway, after you mentioned you have the books in Greek, I got to wondering, is it common for most people in Greece to be so fluent in English? kka rma 18:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Foreign languages here are ... well, foreign. It's rare to find someone who can talk half way decent in any other language (in my area, anyway). But I remember in middle school, we were learning about ancient Greece, and it had a picture of part of the Greek Alphabet. My friends and I decided that we would copy those letters, and make up the rest, and use them to write notes to each other. That way, if a teacher caught us passing notes, they wouldn't be able to read it. :D Anyway. Is Greece really as beautiful as all the movies and brochures make it out to be? Because sometimes I see ads on t.v. trying to convince people to stay in-state for vacations and such, and I see places that really aren't as pretty as they make them out to be. But I'm sure anything near the ocean is gorgeous. ...Sorry to be asking so many questions. I just love anywhere but the U.S. :D kka rma 03:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Haa, the U.S. is just... BLAH. We currently don't have a major problem with a sanitation workers strike... but we did have a writers strike a little while back. Which lead to a lot of crappy reality shows for a while. Anyway, I'll have to look up the Elfish script. (Is it the writing that was inscribed on the inside of the ring?) I have to admit, I've only ever seen the LOTR movies. The books are on my 'To Read' list, though. kka rma 00:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it took me a second to realize where our post had gone. :D And poor Cartwright. You should have just waited until after he woke up to make him open the archives for you, you unpatient lord. Make sure Cartwright gets my apologies for our long conversation and it's need to be archived. :D Anywho, it does sound like Greece is having some problems. I wonder why it's never on our news here. In fact, it is very rare for us to get news of anything other than a looming recession, and the Iraq war, which I am sure everyone in the world is beyond tired of hearing about. But, in recent months, since we have a presidental election coming up, we get to watch the candidates rip each other to pieces. In fact, I think our news only covered the problems in Myanmar... (or Burma, whatever it's called now,) for a couple of days. And from what I've heard, they're still having problems. It seems like if you want to know anything about what's going on in the world, you have to search for it yourself; and that's where the internet comes in handy. What caused all the strikes in Greece? I just looked it up on Google, and it mentioned something about pension plans. I'd be terrifyed, if I lived there. Blackouts, a possiblity of the ATMs running out of money, etc. kka rma 19:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that most Americans choose to shut out the rest of the world. It's just whatever the media feeds us, we take with little to no questions asked, unless it threatens us directly. I guess that is one of our main faults; not caring what's happening unless it is happening to us. From some other people I've talked to, I'm actually kind of shocked at how much the world watches us, and some of the opinions people have of the general American public. I've actually heard that some people blame us for what our president does. Which makes no sense to me, because at one point, I believe the countrys approval rating of Bush was around 30%. As for the recession, I think I've only heard anything about the stock market in Japan or China slumping, but other than that, the media here makes it out as if we are the only one's with with money troubles. In fact, now that I think about it, they were making it out as if the rest of the world depdends on us, which I believe to be a load of crap. The world did just fine before we were even founded some mere 200 years ago. Compared to other countries, that have been around for thousands of years, we're nothing but a toddler in the global community. kka rma 01:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
(I couldn't get on Wikipedia for a while, either. Freaked me out a bit.) Anyways, yes, the public education system here is absolutly horrible. I've gone to three different high schools looking for a decent one (and I'm only in my second year of high school), and I never found one. Some were slightly better than the other, but I ended up being homeschooled with an online private school. I have learned more in these past few months of this one school than I have in my entire public school career, believe it or not. I remember being frustrated in 8th grade (the equivalent of grade 9 in the U.K. I think) that our history teacher spent her hour and a half making us listen to her rap music instead of teaching us anything about history. She even looked shocked when we all failed our history exams, too. Lately, on my local news, they have even admited to saying that the public schools these days are nothing but drop out factories. Some schools are so bad with gang related problems, that police are routinely called out to help stop fights and riots. Just a month ago, the school that most of my friends go to, had a major riot. Fifteen kids went to jail, and one to the hospital with head injuries, along with a police officer who got stabbed. At that particular school, it's a daily occurance for fights to break out. I used to joke that the school should charge a cover charge for the fights we got to see, then maybe they'd be able to afford more rent-a-cops to control us. That school also has a day care for the many pregnant teens they have wondering their halls. Not to mention, the school was grossly over crowded. It was meant to hold only 1000 students, but was being forced to contain 1400 kids. Seems the whole world is falling apart, if we can't even keep kids in order, let alone the adults. Did you know that most people in the U.S. believe global warming to be a hoax. The CBS national news reported about a year ago, that it was possible that global warming was just a hoax, and since then, it has been nearly impossible to convince anyone otherwise. It absolutly bewilders me how anyone can say that all the smog around our cities, and the rapidly falling and rising temperatures can be normal. Actually, tomorrow it is supposed to be 70 degrees F, then on Wednesday, it is to be no higher than 50 degrees F. I mean, that's a 20 degree difference in ONE day. Yet no one will believe it. And I can't even imagine what would happen if all the gasoline were to be gone. I remember shortly after September 11, everyone was rushing to get as much food and gasoline as they could. People were stealing gasoline, and ramming cars to get others to move along. And that was just with the possiblity of the price going up. Imagine if it were all gone. I don't remember where I heard it, but sometime shortly after that, they reported that the U.S. oil reserves had just enough to last the country just a few days. But with the way people would be hoarding, it would get to few people in even less time. And I fear the worst has yet to come. kka rma 03:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Drugs are a for-sure problem here. My first day in middle school, (at the tender age of eleven) some guy tried to sell me crack. It's ridiculous. By the next school year, most of my friends were smoking pot and cigarettes, and breaking into the coke and candy machines. Speaking of candy machines, obesity is horrid here, too. I think the US is one of the worst countries in that area, too. There should be some sort of international wall of shame, or something.
As for the world slowly wasting away at the hands of humans, we should run out of fossil fuels and such within the next century, shouldn't we? Maybe the decline in production will scare leaders into making decisions that leave a bigger impact, in a good way. If not, the world's population (that uses cars, anyway) will go bankrupt trying to pay for the gasoline to get to work and such, as the supply drops and the demand gets higher. (Thanks for putting this in sections. Poor Cartwright; you'll probably decide to archive this in the wee hours of the morning (again), and wake his poor blessed soul, yet again.
kka
rma
04:30, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
No, I heard well. And I saw well, too. The guy held up a bag full of smaller bags filled with a white clumpy powder. But of course, maybe it was just white rock candy.
As for obesity in the US, I'm sure it is around 70 per cent or higher, but most websites claim that women are 62% obese or overweight, while men are 67% obese or overweight. Kids are around 30%. And you would think with how weight obsessed we are here, (with all the stalking of celebrities and such) that we would all be a bit smaller. But, that's where Anorexia comes in, I suppose. And as for genetic make-ups predisposing people to obesity, it would be really hard to say that, since we are so mixed. But, with the global famine and (as you mentioned) water drought that is probably soon to come, we'd all better fatten up.
I've just heard last night about a seed bank that they built in the arctic. But what I don't understand about it, is if it's so indestructable, how are we to get into it if the world falls apart? And then, if we do get into it, how do we decide who gets what? It was a minor step in the right direction, but I don't think it was thought all the way through. Or, maybe it was, and they're planning on keeping it all to themselves. (I can hear the conspiracy theories now...)
kka
rma
17:52, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
PS: I shall always feel bad for Cartwright while he is under your rule, Duke. :D
kka
rma
Everyone deserves a little bit of sympathy, even Cartwright.
As for Earth Hour, the only noticable thing was that Google's page was black instead of white, which I only noticed after friends started calling saying how cool it looked. Otherwise, the downtown part of the city was as bright as usual.
And don't worry about rushing to answer my replies. (As if a Duke would worry about answering lowly subjects, anyhow.) I'm sure the less frequent conversation will at least prolong Cartwright's impending late night archiving endeavours.
kka
rma
19:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure people would be more eager if we could somehow show them how the world is going to be soon, if they don't do something.
And does everyone else in the world say 'flat' instead of 'apartment' or 'house'? I thought only people in the UK said 'flat'.
I hope to never see the day that I prove to be unuseful (and for that to happen, I need to figure out how I am useful). At least, if I do live to see that day, I have a feeling I won't live to see very much of it.
kka
rma
01:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
It does sound easy to just sit and wait to see what happens; but scary, too, for what will probably happen. As for hearing about it on the news... I stopped watching the news a lot, because of all the Obama and Clinton fighting. I was about ready to throw my t.v. out into the yard. So, now I just read about stuff that sounds weird on the internet. (As for being useful... I intend to never shut up, now. Unless your royal Dukeness gives me permission, that is. :]) Sorry, Cartwright! kka rma 21:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Oops, a little bit of a silence there. Sorry, Duke.
Anyway, I hope that there will be only subtle changes, and not many major problems (such as everyone becoming homeless when they cannot afford to even go to work anymore, since gas prices will be sky-high.)
And I love the BBC. I think they are one of the very few news channels that gives a global perspective.
As for my duties for you, my Duke, I shall do my absolute best. :]
kka
rma
01:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Duke, I don't want to see momentum lost on your 5 (oh, pardon me, five) principles, which look very good to me ... but there's not a lot of discussion. Hopefully that means people are in awe of your brilliance, or feel the job is mostly finished, rather than disagreeing. I do feel that either an understanding of what actions to take based on the five principles, or possibly a sixth principle (maybe "less is more"?), would be helpful. Obviously I've comprised my own persuasiveness (moral: never try to do therapy and engage in complex conflict at the same time :). Perhaps you could bring up the point. Please look at the three sentences I left on "sixth point" after I removed my unhelpful reflections. Maybe better would be something like: "When divergence of opinion has lead to long, complicated, or conflicting guidelines, work towards clarity and brevity using whatever works best: engagement, persuasion, bargaining, or yielding on points that are not critical." - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 17:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
User:Destructo 087/Userboxes/Fooled2
I am sorry but the reason why I give you that box is because I do not have a better one at this time but I am trying to make one. But as for the removale of your signiture out of the list it is for me to make it easier when I go to send more. I do understand why and thanks to you I will make a page for people who found my secret page and just copy all names there in the future. Thank you for your time in reading this and for your helpful critism.-- Destructo Talk to me 01:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure that Cartwright will be much happier once the earlier thread is archived. My only question is what should the next step be regarding this topic once I am caught up with my weeding and tilling? You had mentioning something about discussion at SBS later this month. Your humble under-gardener, Gwguffey ( talk) 18:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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>If you want us to stop taking you seriously, you're trying too hard. (evil grin) - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 14:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
On main page errors: "I have noticed the word "centre" in the fifth hook. It seemed strange to me because I am used to seeing American English in the Main Page. Is "centre" an error or is the practice with language variants more complex than I thought?"
User:Destructo 087/Userboxes/Hiddenpage-- Destructo Talk to me 02:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I didn't think of that until you mentioned it. I can't think at the moment of a good reason for a dash in a page title, but I can think of bad reasons. Do you know of any pages currently with dashes in the title? - Dan Dank55 ( talk) 13:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
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