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Hi Sitush (and talk page stalkers), I intend to start an AN thread to ask the community to place all articles dealing with indian castes under discretionary sanctions. You know better than I do what's wrong with the topic area, so I'll keep it simple, would you (or your talk page stalkers) be willing to help to gather a couple of diffs of general disruption (low-level incivility, POV-pushing, edit warring and the like) to convince the community we need those sanctions? Thanks. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:23, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
lol i have never disputed anyone's intelligence.though mine has been and i am apparantely a worthless attention wh**** . Pernoctator ( talk) 17:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi User:Sitush, I guess Chauhan article if made locked can be protected from intentional vandalism. Lets have discussion 1st for every point added there and based on the consensus those can be allowed to added. it seems some user are intentionally editing rather then adding more points there. Thanks.. 123.238.25.161 ( talk) 20:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I found an old citation for bee-keeping and added it, the IP moved it so it cites something else in the lead. Dougweller ( talk) 16:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
see page 139-140. thurston makes a clear difference between devil dancer parava and the fishermen paravan.this is what he says about devil dancer parava 139-140.The Tulu-speaking Paravas of South Canara are, like the Nalkes and Pombadas, devil-dancers, and are further employed in the manufacture of baskets and umbrellas. Socially, they occupy a higher position than the Nalkes, but rank below the Pombadas. The bhuthas (devils) whose disguise they assume are Koda- manitaya and the Baiderukalu, who may not be represented by Nalkes ; and they have no objection to putting on the disguise of other bhuthas. Paravas are engaged for all kinds of devil-dances when Nalkes are not available.image is for the devil dancer parava which has been printed in the succedding page.there is also a photo before 139 if you see. Pernoctator ( talk) 11:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
also see 143 there are three caste which answer to the name parava. Pernoctator ( talk) 12:05, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I saw your edits on the
Fanny Crosby page, and was wondering if you would take a look at
Wesleyan University? I've been
going back and forth with an IP editor for months regarding citation bloat... While I've cut at least 100 bad/irrelevant citations out, I could use some help (even with all those cuts, the article has *gained* 60 citations since September anyway!). Thoughts? Best,
Markvs88 (
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15:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey... few things on this. Why are the images outcasted & left on one side? Why is this Muhnot Nainsi given special attention at the end? Cant he be just mentioned somewhere in the article. One excitedly clicks on him hoping he is someone similar to Tod to actually read only two lines. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 15:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, as you can see on my talk page and Alarbus's, I asked him to work on Washington quarter. I got it through GA somehow and am thinking of improving it. Best,-- Wehwalt ( talk) 16:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush! I admire your contribution over wikipedia articles but request that articles, particularly about ethnic groups etc. be writted only by people knowledgeable about them or those belonging to them as there is not enough information about most of them on internet. I have rewritten the article and will continue to add to it as and when I find time. thanks. truthalwaystriumphs —Preceding undated comment added 17:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC).
The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 04:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Go on u can edit it... all the sources I have cited furnish correct information.. morover I am not boased coz i dun belong to any of those communities :D Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Your edits seem biased not tryin to get personal.... caste is a concept of bygone era... u cud use past tense to refer it... but dun simply edit articles as per ur knowledge.. its a request. Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Panchal Brahmins: The Panchal or Vishva or Vishwakarma Brahmins form a distinct caste the members of which follow the occupations ... That is why sometimes they are known as Sonars, ie, goldsmiths and in Maharashtra as Deshastha Sonars.
Source:Sociological bulletin, Volumes 11-12,Indian Sociological Society
Nijgoykar (
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11:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I have not written those articles obviously.Why are there many articles about Brahmin sub-castes which are like uncountable in India..when all are basically Brahmins and when there already is one article Brahmin for all.. same logic apples here. Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
There are cases when the artisan castes are not Vishvakarmas. Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Have not been around much on Wiki recently as was still plodding along with my Brothertoft history. I have now made several visits to the Surrey History Centre with regard to Sir Charles Fredericks papers (wonderful to handle his old deeds indentures receipts and papers!) I have also spoken to a local historian who wrote a book about the village and have it here although it isnt online. 1) from my own research, the Sampson Gideon ownership is erronous. He did buy up vast tracts of lands but mostly in the Bedford Level. The Final Concord agreement at Surrey History Centre dated 1760 is between Duke of Newcastle Heirs, Lady Catherine Pelham (Widow of Henry) and Sir Charles Frederick, so it is clear he bought the manor directly from them. He died in 1785 and his son Thomas Lenox Frederick sells it to Cartwright who took ownership Lady Day 1789. He then sells it on to Henry Gee, father of Thomas Gee, and it is then briefly occupied by his widow Ann (Leman) and cousin William Gee until 1877. 2) The Hall - Quote "No one knows who built the Hall" - even those that live there today dont know, In 1774 Sir Charles Frederick leases it to John Chappell and it is a) the largest lease by far and b) described as "Manor Farm House previously known as Capital House Farm". It would appear that the Hall is partly ancient with later additions and at the very least sits on the same site as the previous manor houses. It was refurbished by Cartwright before he sold it (it was let 1805-13), and extended and modernised by Gee and by Frederick Curtois. 3)Thomas Saul/John Saul. Parish registers in Brothertoft and Boston relate their story, as well as an indenture of 1729 leasing part of the land in Low Fen Brothertoft/Boston West all from John Fossitt dikereeve of Boston West, to Thomas Saull, Robert Smith and John Fisher. A baptist book I found online recounts "Thomas Saull became rich out of hunting and fishing in Brothertoft, and laid the foundation stone of the Baptist chapel in Boston in 1763 just before he died" (paraphrased but thats the gist). His funeral took place in Boston St Botolphs and the burial register claims he died of smallpox and was buried at Brothertoft. The Brothertoft burial register verifies the burial and curiously claims "This was a good man it is a pity it should be forgotten". John Saul his son built the baptist chapel in Boston in memory of his father. He appears to die in 1779 as a burial for a John Saul is in Brothertoft register at that date. Both Brothertoft and Boston PRs are available on the Lincs to the Past site, and I could find the ref in that baptist book again easily enough. Id like to correct the Wiki Article in this way but request your help and advice as I am now very out of practice. A.
One more thing, I would like to include a poem I found in the parish register, which can be linked to via the Lincs to the Past site. It was written by one Benjamin Leigh, lamenting his father (also Benjamin Leigh)s death.
"Old Frestling time that all things doth consume, And Mother Earth doth all mankind entomb, As waves on waves, so man doth man succeed, One rolling off, another comes with speed, Our Father gone, we haston soon, and thus, In a few years, our Heirs must follow us. Benj Leigh 1754." under his fathers burial is written: "One generation to the next gives place; Tis so with all mankind, oh Mortal Race!" I think its a lovely and touching poem, and since I have not been able to find it online anywhere, I presume Benjamin Leigh wrote it himself. It would be a shame if it were to be forgotten? What to do you think? Thanks again, Panderoona ( talk) 10:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC) (NB forgot Wiki likes losing your formatting :S Panderoona ( talk) 11:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I find your views very personal,and you need to broaden your perception.I am not an anthropologist to write those books and clear your doubts.Good luck! Nijgoykar ( talk) 10:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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I anoint you a Member of the Wikipedian Order of the Pigeon an impromptu organization to celebrate excellent pigeon-work in it's many forms on Wikipedia. Thanks for adding to Pigeon pie and all your work in the community! Sadads ( talk) 16:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
the additions have been done on siginificant data, I agree few do not have school name mentioned on page but, most of them have, I will still have a look, thanks Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC) kindly see See List of Old Sanawarians Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
thanks for removing the work! do you have significant knowledge about the subject and school we are talking about? Please read articles you have removed the category from and added ciatation needed link! they are all written by users with good knowledge and if you will make some effort to search you will find significant reference about each. Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Advice taken about policy, will only add very reliable source like economic time or news papers. Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Please look into the edit war in the Shramana article. I left a message on the user page of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ForestTeacher He contacted me back on my talk page. However, its obvious ForestTeacher is into an edit conflict. Am not working on the Shramana article anymore. Its kinda strange i have too report this to you. Hope you do the needful. Am hoping other admins take note (i still dunno how do i contact any admin).-- = No ||| Illusion = ( talk) 05:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra
Hi Sitush, i see that you are online. Would you please check if you can access the following website through your web browser. I have been unable to access it for two days. Thanks.
Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 09:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
In your edit of 27 July 2011 Sitush you introduced the following into the article on James Tod .
“ | Tod relied heavily on existing Indian texts for his historical information, most of which are today considered to be unreliable. Indeed, Macaulay wrote in 1835 that "a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia." [1] | ” |
While the meaning of Macaulay's quote is perfectly clear would appreciate to know why you would specifically include such a completely bigoted view on all Indian and Arabian literature , into a Wikipedia article ?
Thankyou
Intothefire (
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15:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Is there any reason to include what I removed? Did you actually read the paragraph that had nothing to do with the article in any way, shape or form? I'm not concerned about the rest of the article, and I've only made two edits to it ever. Please fully understand what an editor has done before trying to act like the Wikipolice. Have you considered that after my edit I was working on a post on the talk page declaring my apathy to the rest of the content? Ian.thomson ( talk) 19:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I just saw this warning message you left at User talk:Ian.thomson. Based on your conduct at the Shramana article, you are just as susceptible, if not more susceptible, as Ian to being blocked for edit warring. — C.Fred ( talk) 20:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
The content was recently added, and although sourced, has nothing to do with Shramana. SaibAbaVenkatesh ( talk) 21:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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For keeping caste articles on WikiProject India as clean as humanly possible. AshLin ( talk) 15:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
Thank u for that & regarding VK Singh, The "refused to intervene" is not a right usage in the legal sense. If so, What was Supreme Court doing in 2 days and that too 3 long hours of proceedings. I am afraid a good newspaper like Hindu really understood the legal terminology. ref:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-chief-V-K-Singh-loses-legal-battle-govt-hails-Supreme-Court-order/articleshow/11838737.cms
and it is not a times of india vs The Hindu . for any one can understand VK Singh withdrew petition in the backdrop of Supreme Court earlier rejecting a PIL favouring VK Singh and later a not so favourable legal posturing. [[
Jeevanjoseph1974 (
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20:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)]]
Why are you undoing my changes, can we speak together and agree on the histories.
I can provide the proof of raju kshatriyas.
Actual hindu vedic kshatriya orign from saptha rishi gotra and who are twice born with upanayana.
Raju / Varma kshatriya are classified into Suryavamshi and Chandra Vamshi with Sapta Rishis gotras with upanayana.
Lord Rama is from Vashista Gotra,
please find the family tree of actual hindu vedic kshatriya with saptharishi gotra.
Lord rama, Lord krishna, budha also included.
Kshatriya with saptharishi gotra and twice born with upanayana are actual kshatriya.
Lord rama is from vashista gotra File:The_Genealogy_of_Bharata.png
Saibaba Venkatesh deleted an entire section again, without a reason. Please see log - http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Shramana&action=history
Saibaba Venkatesh did this despite the ongoing discussions. Please see his messages and personal insult (idiot) on this page -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shramana
Saibaba Venkates not only broke the three-revert rule within 24 hours, but also indulged in insulting. Please do the needful as an admin. I suspect he will continue to vandalise the article.-- = No ||| Illusion = ( talk) 05:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra
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AshLin ( talk) 06:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted your recent edit at
Ror and made a statement at
Talk:Ror regarding that. There has recently been a change of policy regarding how Indian caste/community articles are handled here on en-Wikipedia and so I am inserting the standard template below so that you are aware of this. I am suggesting that you have engaged in "inappropriate conduct", because you are deleting material without providing another reference which refutes what is quoted from Tod. -
Ror Is King (
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06:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ror Is King ( talk) 06:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
plz visit that page a Paki nationalists is simply refusing to accept what is true facts and constantly removing the sources as well as the facts, he has history of such nationalists acts such as indo-pak 1965 war and indo-pak 1971 war on all those pages he is indulge in edits to glorify pakistan. Plz look into the case his user name is Topgun 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
your edits can be looked in the history section , the vandalizing edits you have made showed your deep bias against India , and further you are removing well sourced materials . Your edits in 1971 war is also a case where you were warned for your conduct. 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Sitush plz visit 1971 and 1965 war pages and go through the history , his request for you not to intervene is to save his image, ask any neutral user this guy is always invloved in pro-pakistani edits with the same mentality of pakistan is best. Plz visit all the Pages yourself and decide yourself dont rely on this troll , his lies and propaganda can be seen from his edits. I request you to visit this page as he is trying to persuade you not to visit these pages as this will expose this real intentions. Thnx
122.161.31.230 (
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09:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
This guy has been blocked numerous times for his edits specially those when he make edits or undone edits by others which he found is against pakistan or specially muslims. Visit his talk page, reasons why he was blocked will make it clear that he is habitual offender , he never accept any source which shows pakistan in poor light gives no reason for removing well sourced contents all the scholars named in chagai-I page has also contested Indian Pokhran claims and their views have been put up in the Indian test pages but the same sources were deleted by this guy which contest the pakistani claims. Plz look into the issue as this guy is completely biased and will try to block me by the help of other pakistani users. 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TopGun/Punitive_Block he has history of such edit wars, where he delete the sourced contents as those contents are not in favor of pakistan, now this same guy is accusing me of an edit war, i have never entered an edit war my all edits are well sourced as can be seen from my contribution page. Thnx 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Visit my talk page, this guy is trying to implicate me in a hoax personal abuse, i have not abuse anyone. Sitush i urge you to have a look at this guy topgun activity as he along with other pakistani users will try to block me so that they can continue to vandalize other articles. He is coming up with fake warnings such as edit-war, personal abuse most probably to strengthen his case, you should ban him , he is again indulging in edit wars . He has been banned over a dozen times for the same attitude.
122.161.31.230 (
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10:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I have replied to your message at User talk:JamesBWatson#Idukki. JamesBWatson ( talk) 15:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey Sitush, I'm on a mini-wikibreak for a few days now; working on an outreach related matter. Will come back shortly and help you out with the articles! Cheers, Lynch 7 17:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Since you are repeatedly deleting my contributions over various articles without discussion (see my contributions page) and talk page strewn with your messages . I find your selective actions contradictory .
We need to discuss the serious contradictions in your appropriating the privilege to add or remove content with citations by other editors .There are instances galore but I am going to discuss here only two such instances .
Lets take instance no 1 first regarding a dodgy book Kshatriyas_and_would-be_Kshatriyas - which is currently citation no 18 on article Khatri .
An article which you ostensibly started editing on 23rd September (and subsequently deleted various valid content and citations) and on which you have done considerable work deleting and adding citations as well as conflicting with other editors trying to contribute content .
Is this book a valid citation for a Wikipedia article or not ? Because you have been instrumental in both creating this citation as well as condemning it . Since you have have stated yourself that you are not happy with this citation .
Whereas you state you are not happy with the citation , and yet it stays on the article inspite of your minute involvement with the article regarding edit contributions by others .
Is this book a valid citation for a Wikipedia article or not ?
Next lets discuss the article Baid and the citations you have provided there that contradict your own statements to others regarding quality of sources and content.
Intothefire ( talk) 13:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Intothefire ( talk) 19:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, the proposal to impose discretionary sanctions was enacted; if you need a template to inform editors about them, I have created this one, basically coping Template:Uw-sanctions. Feel free to use it, if you wish. Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 23:46, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The basic point is that, usually, it is very difficult to block for low-level disruption: tendentious editing, I-didn't-hear-that type of behaviour, general incivility that does not rise to the level of personal attack, filibustering. In all these cases, it takes time and patience and blocks are issued only after considerable disruption has been caused. With these sanctions, hopefully, we'd be better equipped to handle them: first a warning, then, if the user doesn't mend his ways, we can start imposing sanctions (increasing blocks or topic/article bans). Discretionary sanctions basically lower the bar for the imposition of sanctions. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I am seeking to make sense of contradictory stances and standards you adopt in different articles concerning validity of sources . Since the matter concerns several articles the best place to discuss is your talk page where a convergence is possible for a discussion spanning several different articles .
Sitush you have incessantly deleted my contributions without discussion , nay even deleted my discussion on various talk pages . Then posted messages on my page calling me incompetent because of sources I have used .
But the contradiction of your own usage of questionable sources and vilifying citations is self evident . Lets take one more example :of article Baid .
7 December 2011 -On this article which was about a community Sitush adds the following content :
“ | In the medical context, William Crooke, a folklorist and ethnologist of the British Raj, considered such people, who were Hindu, to be "incompetent" in their medical practices and that they "used materials collected by the jungle men, of the use of which [they are] generally ignorant. To take medicine from [them] is a sort of sacramental act. ...The Baid, in fact, is little better than the medicine-man of jungle tribes." He saw a distinction between the medicine of the Baid and that of the Muslim Hakim. [2] | ” |
Now whats wrong with Tod if you keep deleting him as a source even as you give yourself the prerogative to yourself use William Crooke ?
Intothefire (
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18:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I just took a hatchet to it. Considering the way it looked before the chop, I gather it's not on your watchlist. Best, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 03:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Your recent editing history shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block.
If you wish to avoid being blocked, instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to discuss the changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. You may still be blocked for edit warring even if you do not exceed the technical limit of the three-revert rule if your behavior indicates that you intend to continue to revert repeatedly. You have reverted edits on James Tod twice already 1 [1] ; 2 [2]. Please don't indulge in edit warring. Ror Is King ( talk) 06:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I have decided an RFC/U is on order for TG's shoddy sourcing and edit warring of uncited content into articles. As you expressed alarm over one aspect of his behaviour I am informing you in case you would like to endorse it. [5] Darkness Shines ( talk) 13:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The image the IP user placed on Talk:Rajus and that actually has been placed on Saptarishi appears to be from this page: [6]. This means that not only is it not a WP:RS, it is probably a copyright violation. I tried looking at both the relevant policy pages and Moonriddengirl's policy pages and was very confused as to where to start. If you would get out your wiki machete and cut through the confusion and tell me what needs to be done about this image and what steps I should take first, I'd really appreciate it. Alternately, I am fine if you just decided to do it yourself. JanetteDoe ( talk) 06:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
did u get the templeman booki sent u... Mayan302 ( talk) 07:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
Thanks for your message. I do in fact work for The Script and I'm having real trouble getting info we need added to the page. Other users seem to revert my work even after I have referenced information correctly following guides on wiki.
My other issue is 'My Town' a band the boys previously were connected to but do not want to mentioned on their individual pages or the band wiki page.
Could you provide any advise or an official line on how we deal with this?
Many Thanks.
George James The Script HQ Digital PR / Social Media Essence Digital UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheScriptOfficial ( talk • contribs) 10:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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Sitush, thank you for all of your work on the Wesleyan University page, cheers! from Markvs88 - 09:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Sitush,
Belated welcome to WikiProject India. Thanks for joining our WikiProject community! As you already know, I'm a volunteer for the WikiProject and the first guy to approach if you need help! ;)
Do consider joining the WikiProject India Mailing List ( https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en) which provides communication for the community.
For other lists which may be of interest to you, see http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Mailing_Lists.
You may also like to add
WP:INB to your watchlist.
AshLin ( talk) 17:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
There seems to be some drama on an individual's article page as described in this section. As the person is a political figure, and the warning template specifically mentions political parties, do you think it would be appropriate to place the template on that person's article's talk page? JanetteDoe ( talk) 17:57, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Do not bother, I will not be responding to him again. Darkness Shines ( talk) 18:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I was pleased to see Lewis thehaven ( talk) return today, as I was afraid he was a one-off visitor and I wanted to know about his sources; so I poked him on his talk page and got this answer. Since WP:V says "Source material must have been published (made available to the public in some form); unpublished materials are not considered reliable", that's no good. I doubt if the article can be saved - would the sources you found support a basic stub? Is there enough to support a mention in Hereford (cattle), which might be better than a minimal stub if there was no prospect of expansion? Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 20:51, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
RE: It is always a pleasure to deal with a new contributor in the India caste-related sphere and find them to be reasonable in their discussions! Thank you very much.
I may not be as reasonable as you may think. I'm afraid the irony here is that it is probably my family's perceived varna status that has left me with such a moderate outlook on caste matters. I have always been taught that discussion of caste does not matter; as that kind of jostling for position in the social order is something to be left to the lower orders. However, thank you, I try to stay unbiased and frankly, the only reason I even noticed the article had been redirected and changed was because of research into my family history. I attempted to find a more reliable source than my family and wound up finding that anthropological study. Unfortunately, even after scouring UK journal databases via my university I can only find the smallest of fragments about my ancestors. I guess I'll have to concede, at least for now, that my only source for this information is my family, and the fact that I get mistaken for Punjabi wherever I go, despite my family being from Gujarat.-- Splashley ( talk) 12:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually, it isn't so much the name of a particular caste. In the Western/North-western states, you can often guess the caste, family, surname of those around you based purely on certain physical features. Of course these aren't always correct assumptions, but for the most part those of a certain community will have common features. I think this has something to do with the endogamy of certain communities. For example, the Kadia Kshatriya. Again, I'm not sure if this is absolutely the case everywhere. When it comes to diaspora, especially within the UK, this stereotyping happens more often with communities mixing a lot. I have been mistaken for Punjabi because of certain physical features, I don't 'look' like a Gujarati. As a family, we have been called 'white' due to our skin colour and Punjabi based on nose shape and body structure, people assume we are aggressive people. On the other hand, it lends credence to the idea that we may be of Rajasthani origin, but again [citation needed]. I find this fascinating because as I have paid more attention to it, it seems that people draw caste lines on mainly racial grounds. That however, is a can of worms that I DO NOT want to open.-- Splashley ( talk) 13:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Have you read the Herbert Hope Risley article (mostly written by me) or Scientific racism (I've barely contributed to that one). I would be interested in your opinion: these are thorny issues but they do need to be presented in an encyclopedia, with an appropriate amount of care regarding sourcing etc. - Sitush ( talk) 13:23, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
You are requested to visit Talk:Patna University to see the justification for my reverting your edit. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush. Thanks for the support here. I nevertheless think an immediate Community Ban is in order if I ever use "themself" in articlespace :-) -- Shirt58 ( talk) 11:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I went to all of the effort to type of a 3RR report on User:Zazscholar, and when I went to look at the page to get a link to notify the user, I saw your report just above mine. For the future, report all administrative requests related to Official Cabal Activities via the Red Hotline, please. To all the stalkers--there is no cabal, I promise. Qwyrxian ( talk) 13:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I can converse in Tamil, but cannot read and write that well. I suggest you reach out to User:Sundar. — Ganeshk ( talk) 18:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
COuld you please elobarate on why you deleted the referances i provided for you? i gave referance from books of samgam tamil books — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srinifromsalem ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the one Sangam Book( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purananuru), i reffered has the direct link to all kinds of war, politics, wealth, as well as aspects of every-day living activities done in old tamil period. It is a direct source where poet sung about all activities done in that period. Please help me in adding these as referances.
Various.
"puRanAnURu" (PDF).
http://projectmadurai.org. Retrieved 2011-12-13. {{
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could you please tell me what else can i provide as proof. any research books reference will hold good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.79.40.119 ( talk) 16:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the email, I wasn't aware of the history. Will look to revert. Connolly15 ( talk) 15:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
He's requesting an unblock; I'm letting you know in case the reviewing admin wants to hear from you on the topic, since you warned him several times. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 17:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
a line in the northern nadars section says that the vellalars n maravars were just above the nadars.thats not right the maravars were just above the nadars.not the vellalars.u might want to change that. Mayan302 ( talk) 05:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
The community has recently added some pretty liberal sanction powers regarding Indian politics and caste articles. This may be of interest to you as they cover disruption, including evidenceable "I don't hear that" conduct. I thought you may like to know about this given that I believe you may have been experiencing IDHT behaviour from other editors that amounts to disruption in areas that you edit. Fifelfoo ( talk) 00:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I was forced to write to you as you edited something which resulted in wrong information on Dasuya. You have no information on India (read Punjab) I believe, hope you know that election results are still awaited (google it). Someone changed Sahi to Dogra and I removed it indicating vandalism. Once again just for some strange reason you changed it to Dogra who was not even elected in 2007. Please avoid editing article where you have no knowledge. If you are so desperate please google it to verify. You can earn stars for real edits by using google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punjabi gladiator ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Here is a small bit of what I removed from Dasuya
Dasuya is a very ancient town. It is believed that it was known as Virat Nagar in the Mahabharata and the Pandavas spent last one year of their exile in Virat Nagar in the service of its king.
Dasuya is one of the key towns of Hoshiarpur. The per capita income of Dasuya is higher than rest of Punjab which in turn is leading within India. Dasuya is an agriculture-centered community. Apart from routine rice, wheat, maize and sugarcane, farmers also grow sunflower, pulses, potatoes, sesame, peaches, oranges, papaya, grapes, melons and mangoes. Dasuya is located in the Basmati belt of India which extends from Karnal to Jammu region.
Can you explain to me how you think that your photographs could resolve the sourcing of that content (except, perhaps, for photos of crops)? - Sitush ( talk) 19:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I respect your dalit activism. However Kushwaha are neither people of Maharastra nor what you portray them to be. You seem to have little knowledge of the matter. pls stop edit war by doing eight edits in such a short time. Revert the article immediately to its previous state immediately. Moriya ( talk) 14:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I've looked at the editing history of User:Yadavrewari, and my sock-o-meter is screaming at the top of its lungs. The SPI is now open. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 00:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Could you spare a few minutes here for commenting? Thanks. X.One SOS 14:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for your note. I had merely put most of them into a more relevant category, like that of a university alumni, or faculty. Byomkesh Bakshi ( talk) 17:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I looked at some of the material you referred me to re Yogesh. 3 years ago he was saying Dickens was a "white supremacist". Yes, CD was racist (a better term would be "xenophobic") and a supporter of colonialism, but "white supremacist??? However, on the Talk page I think I will continue to treat him as if he was a stranger. Thanks very much for the heads-up.-- WickerGuy ( talk) 01:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that kind note, Sitush. I am working on the Caste article. All is well so far, but down the road, I may need some guidance. Cheers, ApostleVonColorado ( talk) 12:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations! You hung in there and carried the issue. Binksternet ( talk) 14:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
@Sitush, i feel you should get your facts clear, Thakur Jugal Kishore Sinha and Ram Dulari Sinha are the most prominent Rajput Leaders of their time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhatmishra1985 ( talk • contribs) 16:58, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Congrats on getting the James Tod article promoted to FA status! :-) Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 20:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for encouraging me to attend the Manchester meetup, I really enjoyed it. It's the kind of thing that I would normally avoid like the plague, but everyone there seemed fairly normal. Except for you and me of course. ;-) Malleus Fatuorum 21:32, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
See WP:ANI#Block user from creating Indian College Pages. I know you've had issues with this user in the past, so I thought I'd let you know.
It seems that while I was engaged in Mancunian libations yesterday (still recovering!), James Tod was promoted to FA status. I must admit to some surprise as I had thought that the process would take a little longer, especially given recent events. Anyway, my thanks to all of those who helped with the article and otherwise encouraged me in writing the "opium-eater's tale". - Sitush ( talk) 07:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
My purpose in adding Naga Chaitanya's last name, Akkineni, is for viewers to know that he is the grandson of the famous 1900's actor Nageswara Rao Akkineni and the son of actor Nagarjuna Rao Akkineni.
Dav subrajathan.357 ( talk) 19:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ror Is King ( talk • contribs) 08:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Pernoctator ( talk) 08:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. Can you please point me to the RfC that resulted in this? If this is a general decision to remove local names that's maybe 300,000 articles to clean up, more or less :) -- Muhandes ( talk) 19:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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For supporting the cause of assessment in the best possible way by assessments - that too so many! AshLin ( talk) 04:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
Dedhar. I'll clean it up tomorrow. (Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in!) :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 14:40, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush, Please analyse the fellow wiki author edits and then say that they are nonsense. It clearly seems you are senseless relating to Telugu communities and yourself have added non related stuff in Rajus page. Plase stop your senseless edits and discuss if u have any knowledge on those points. Indianprithvi ( talk) 16:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Ha, we both spotted it at the same time, and you just beat me to the revert! It's clearly the same user been on that IP for at least several days, so I've blocked for 24 hours. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 11:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
@ sitush. It seems your facts are not clear about the Rajput Community and as far as references are concerned about whether a person belongs to a particular community or not, these things are hardly published in India because these are known facts and i belong to the constituency of Ram Dulari Sinha and Thakur Jugal Kishore Sinha, therefore i am aware about their community/caste.
Can you please give the reference of people like Sushil Kumar Singh, Harikesh Bahadur, Nikhil Kumar, Shyama Singh, Uday Singh, Prabhunath Singh and many others.
You Should stop interfering with these articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhatmishra1985 ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 1 March 2012
Just to tell you, I have posted a reply after in in Animesh Kulkarni's talk page-- Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 05:15, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I have posted a new version of the section at Talk:Syed Modi/Temp, what's next...-- Ekabhishek talk 05:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I'll try to take a look at it later today and see if I can be bold. - Sitush ( talk) 14:12, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
there is a big tag stating that the article will be deleted what does it mean sitush? Mayan302 ( talk) 14:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Replied on the talk page of the said article. Cheers, Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 14:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I setup auto archiving and that was it, this leads you to say I need a topic ban? What did I do wrong today? Sheesh. Can I ask you to do something, look at the comment made here [12] by an editor not even remotely involved in these articles. Now tell me if I am as " POV-y" as you think. Darkness Shines ( talk) 14:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your message. You are correct that MOS:FLAG does make an allowance for representing a country, but in this case (as with the others I've removed) the field being flagged is nationality, which is not the same thing, or necessarily the country represented by the boxer. If you look at other Boxers, you'll see they have a separate info box for their appearance in national teams, which usually does have the flag. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 01:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
I see that you keep asking for citation on "House of Tulsipur". There are 36 various references. You may know how to use citation in Wiki then go ahead and use the appropriate citation based on those references. Some folks don't know how to use the technology on exactly how to use html and cite. Please don't raise questions of doubt on historical materials that have been researched and referenced in last 200 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.49.14 ( talk) 04:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Actually I am not interested in talking with you. But then you mentioned that 'You have done it again'. I would like to know what I have 'done it again', when I asked a specific question on why a particular article was deleted. I arrived there from a link in a external webpage.
As to the other acrimonious posts you find in my talk page, I can very well delete them. But the I maintain them as a record of such posts.
-- Ved from Victoria Institutions ( talk) 10:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
So many persons have done similar writings on my user pages. Yet, when I explain to them, they do retract. I do not generally follow up these things. For example see this in my talk page:
Quote: Okay, I see. I didn't realize that the toddy tappers person was editing your posts, so I did remove your vandalised posts, but it was not my intention to delete your words. Sorry about that. I have the page watchlisted, and will revert any vandalism of anyone's talk page postings. You are free to do the same. Natalie 15:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I feel we will stop with this, as I do not have time for more debate. -- Ved from Victoria Institutions ( talk) 11:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, have already updated the ISBN numbers. The references provided are from reliable sources, including the autobiography of Jawaharlal Nehru, which is a reliable source. What are your concerns ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambar wiki ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Suddenly a bunch of "old friends" are reappearing out of the woodwork, all at the same time. JanetteDoe ( talk) 19:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I am not engaged in edit war. I just disagree with Mr. Sitush who seems to have all "God Given" right to do whatever he pleases with other people's 30 year of research.
I simply asked him to leave historical facts alone. Granted, if it is not to Wiki par technically speaking then he can help me do the appropriate citing since I don't know Wiki technology. But he need NOT try to erase history.
I don't want any war, I simply want to help the world know history of a small place called "Tulsipur". I can gurantee you that I know more than Sithush about history of Tulsipur.
Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjpsingh ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Since you are a Wiki expert. Why don't you cite my piece the way it should be. I have provided references. Things like WWI and WWII are historical facts. Go through it and help me cite it yourself. I think it will make you happy. Go for it, please please !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjpsingh ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay Sitush - let's talk about what "History" is. Would you like to have a "philisophical" discourse or modern version of definition discourse.
For example "Battle of Loos" was a historical fact. For example "King Commission Officers" was a historical fact. For example "Military Dispatches" were indeed printed in London Times. For example "World War I" is event that really really happened. You don't believe it happened, Sitush? For example "World War II" is event that really really happened. You don't believe it happened, Sitush?
And tell me Mr. Sitush...what kind of sane man asks for WWI and WWII citation? Its like asking citation for a statement when I say "we live in planet earth". I mean these are basic facts everyone knows....Comon On !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjpsingh ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Dude - I am not here to argue with you since I can't win as you are Wiki police. But I must ask you to leave history alone. Help me understand of "why, what, how and where" when you say cite references. I have given enough references about World War I, World War II, Battle of Loos in France against the German Nazi Forces, King Commissioned Oficers and Military Dispatches that were daily published in London Times during WWI and WWII. What references do you need besides these? In addition, I have provided various links to other Wiki pages on these topic for validation and cross references !! Please leave my recent addition about people who are related to House of Tulsipur who fought in World War 1 and World War II alone. These people, unlike you and I who take freedom for granted, gave the ultimate sacrifice with their lives to free the world from the Nazis !!!!!!!!!
Please don't delte my comments. I am user rjpsingh on Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.49.14 ( talk) 22:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Just in case you didn't spot it, we have someone from two IPs in the same range removing content from Template:Kshatriya Communities. Each time I've reverted solely because the removal was unsourced - should there be an actual content discussion at any time, I'll leave that to others. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 13:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I suppose we should prod it for deletion.there are hundreds if not thousands of claimants to Kshatriya status.the template is practically prone to mischief. Linguistic Geek 13:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey - if you have the time, could you look at Local Resistance to Mysore Rule in Malabar and other edits by Ajaynambiar11 ( talk · contribs)? Some of them strike me as problematic, but this is more your area of expertise than mine. Kevin (kgorman-ucb) ( talk) 09:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, We need a resolution on the Saini page. You added a sentence saying their Shoorsen links are disputed, but that's being reverted by other editors back and forth. Is it possible to put a stop to this?
Furthermore, there is more than enough evidence presented on the Saini/talk page to dispute their rajput status as well. What's the process for incorporating that? thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.45.4 ( talk) 22:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Saini". Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput666 ( talk • contribs) 05:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Sitush,
Thanks for looking at my submission for the North London Self-Employed Lunch Club (NLSELC). You say that my references are not independent as they link to the NLSELC's website; however, the articles that are cited are independent: one article appeared in the London Evening Standard, the other in the Islington Gazette. Unfortunately, neither of the articles are currently available online anywhere other than the NLSELC's site. Nevertheless, I don't see why the articles don't count as independent references just because the copies of the article I refer to are hosted on the club's website. My references also give full details of the newspaper publications as per MHRA referencing guidelines (I've added a page reference for the Islington Gazette, page ref not available for the Standard) - anybody who wanted to could go and locate these articles in a library newspaper archive.
Thanks again for taking the time to consider my article. I hope that we can resolve these issues.
Best, Chd27 ( talk) 14:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Sources do not have to be available online, but in itself that does not resolve the issues here.For all I know, those could have been press releases and/or passing mentions, neither of which are suitable. I must admit to not actually looking at the club's website because I didn't think it necessary: it exists, sure, but we should not rely on self-published sources for very much at all. For that reason, I didn't realise that the newspaper articles had been transcribed on that site.
Nonetheless, really, I think that you need to somehow improve the article so that it more certainly passed the bar for notability. Otherwise, we will end up with articles here for every branch of, say, the National Deaf Childrens' Society or the WI. If you cannot do that then I am unsure of the way forward, but let me know anyway and I will seek some further input. - Sitush ( talk) 14:32, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your contribution to Mokama Ghat. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush
It is needless to mention that Kayasthas are one of the highest castes in the Indian caste system. As per Wikipedia's article on Kayastha, though their exact caste status is a subject matter of debate, they are consistently ranked between Kshatriyas and Brahmins. Obviously, the five families who came along with five Brahmins, were not arbitrarily accorded the status of Kayasthas by the King, and that too of Kulins i.e. highest among the Kayasthas. It is obvious from all historical citations that the five Brahmins came with five learned Kayastha disciples, who were therefore accorded the status of Kulins.
Moreover, as per your article on 'Kulin Kayastha', 'The Kayasthas are regarded in Bengal, along with the Brahmins, as being the highest Hindu castes that comprise the upper layer of Hindu society'. Again as per Wikipedia only, Kayasthas are one of the most forward castes, and definitely not 'Shudras'. For your information, as per www.vedah.net, which is one of the most authentic sites, Kayasthas are considered as another Brahmin community ( http://www.vedah.net/manasanskriti/Brahmins.html). Though this may be a subject matter of debate, definitely Kayasthas are anything but Shudras. And this obviously applies to the Kulin Kayasthas, who were considered to be superior among them
Regards Pal Subhojit
Pal subhojit ( talk) 17:23, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I thought I'd give you a heads-up: I'm about to unblock HistoryofKushwaha ( talk · contribs). Next time you see them getting combative, adding unverified and POV stuff, or whatever, drop me a line or place a note on ANI, and they'll be done forever. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 02:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I guess there is always a possible solution around for any problem. And in the case of Salasar Balaji, if something was wrong, I expect you (as a more experienced editor than me) suggest me the appropriate corrections to be done rather than simple reverting the entire article. It took me my full 3 days to expand that article from that "last best version" and I guess it would've taken less than a minute for you to revert it. Moreover, I see that not everything was copied from Jatland and I have other resources too provided in the references section. Anyways now please say if this will be fine that I revert the content back, analyse and remove the only content taken from Jatland. For other content, I've got different resources and references. Does that makes sense and sounds good? -- Msrag ( talk) 05:49, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush..you are a wonderful cleaner..infact I appreciate your contributions in wiki so far..but we should atleast should not remove the True contents and history which are real and well known in India..and ancient kshatriya tribes have little recorded due to the indifference and discrimination during british..no doubt that historian Colonel James tod was biased towards rajputs but the historian was nota at all biased towards meenas. As you know the people who sacrifices thier live for country like meenas,bheels,gujjars didnt get recognition..Under the influence of their ally Rajput kingdoms, British were biased towards Minas, Jats and Bheels. Hence they do not wrote much about the legacy of their ancient empires. the British were very harsh in dealing with these people. Thus Russell and Hiralal 'views' regarding Minas being 'bandits' is biased and baseless....I hope you are understanding the truth regarding that article..so please add some previous paras which are cited,true and Authentic. AND atlast we are here to present the True history.I hope you will reinsert some paras which are Authentic.Thanks. Oldestkshatriyas ( talk) 15:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Please see User talk:RHaworth#Punjab Education in 19 and 20th Century. Intothefire says he don't need your approval but please watch user:Intothefire/sandbox anyway. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 12:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
We have created a site for the Asansol community myasansol.in but whenever we add it to the wikipedia entry of asansol,its reverted by you.
You only have the AMC website there which provides no information about the site where as our site contains a lot of information about the city so i request you to please provide myasansol.in a place in the article . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elecy ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush,I had been away from Wiki last three months. I noticed that you made several edits in Kamma (caste) article. While most of the edits were well-meant, some could be traced to lack of information. I shall try to incorporate as many citations as possible. Similarly, you deleted almost all the names of persons in List of Kammas which astounded me. Probably you are not aware that Kammas do not have a common title such as "Reddy" in the name. Personalities such as N. T. Ramarao, A. Nageswara Rao and Ramoji Rao were also deleted. I hope you did these deletions because you might not be aware of them. Can you please suggest a way I can restore the names? Kumarrao ( talk) 15:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
User talk:Intothefire#March 2012 -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 14:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I found that you have deleted content on grounds of "good faith" edits and i have restored old poor content. If you read the article completely, I have restored only part of it which had valid references and the other content was newly added by me. So don't just go on and delete content simply before reading it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswinjerry ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Where did u find this Pondheepankar?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswinjerry ( talk • contribs) 21:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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I may start that article, so will like to know your opinion. SMS Talk 19:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hello Sitush!
I did not understand why did you revert the corrections done in the Sunar page. Please explain? Are there any Copyright issues I am not aware of? Please let me know then how the information can be added. Thanks Aaryan1982 ( talk) 04:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC) |
I do not have access to that particular volume of People of India but your content was a copy of information found in "People of India, A-G, Volume 4, p. 3345", as I noted in my edit summary, although you had adjusted the spellings of the various community names. I have no idea if Volume XXIII itself copied information previously published in Volume 4, although I do know that this is not uncommon.
There are only very limited circumstances in which we are permitted to copy something word-for-word from a book, newspaper, website etc and those do not apply to this 41-volume anthropological survey published from the mid-1980s onwards, unless you clearly show it to be a quotation - WP:Copyrights is our guide. Even changing the odd word is unacceptable because it would be close paraphrasing. Furthermore, even in those situations when a source is legally in the public domain, it is generally preferred that a contributor uses their own words.
I am aware that the People of India books themselves often use huge chunks of text originally written by people of the British Raj era, such as H. H. Risley and H. A. Rose, without clearly stating that they are doing so. I know also that some of the authors whom they use in that manner are now out of copyright. The poor sourcing by them is merely an indication of how poor that survey really was in general and has no real bearing on our own legal position: we are responsible for our own actions. As I understand it, the survey was split into two parts, with the earlier "national" survey being published by Oxford University Press and being considered ok, while the larger number of volumes in the second part - the "states" surveys - were published by the likes of Manohar/Popular Prakashan and are much less satisfactory.
In any event, I'd suggest that you have a read of the various items that are linked in blue above in order to get a better understanding of how we operate here. Feel free to get back in touch if you have any queries thereafter. - Sitush ( talk) 07:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush, I was referring to the same source which is "People of India: Haryana (Volume XXIII) edited by M.L Sharma and A.K Bhatia pages 475 to 479 Manohar Books" and it was already cited so I did not cited it again. The information added previously from the source was not summarized completely. Yes, but I got you that it needs to be written in own words. I thought the source is cited so the information can be exactly copied from the source. I would try to take care of this while I am adding content. Thanks Aaryan1982 ( talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Sitush :-) Aaryan1982 ( talk) 18:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have vague memories but according to your log, you suffered a block or two and then were discovered to have been sockpuppeting. I had seem to have had little involvement in any of the discussions, but quite a few administrators (or people who have since become admins) were involved. I was not aware of you being banned and cannot spot that anywhere. - Sitush ( talk) 16:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
deleted the barnstar as i have changed my mind now. Boolyme बूलीमी Chat बोलो!! 20:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for what happened last day. I have completed the work of providing citation along with a few additions by myself. Thanks. ( HasanKO ( talk) 07:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC))
Lovy Singhal ( talk) 08:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Found the book at my Uni's library. Will be able to get it but not til end of month. Let me know which pages you need. JanetteDoe ( talk) 18:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I know that I'm not an experienced editor like you and not aware of all the policies, so thanks for the leaving a message. First of all, I didn't not know about the RfC thing, so I was adding Hindi Words and if its a general policy, then there are thousands or may be lakhs of articles which have the same issue. As far as citation on Murder of Jessica Lal is concerned, if you notice carefully the existing BBC reference didn't prove date of death i.e. 29 April, 1999 and it was mentioned on the one that I added, so please check. --Piyush Aggarwal 15:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piyush.Aggarwal ( talk • contribs)
Hi there, I tried to clear some of the article up and tried to add some citations but it seems on or two of my citations did not comply with wiki-policy, however can I kindly suggest you help me in cleaning up the article rather then keep re-reverting it when I am clearly working on it?
Kindest Regards, Rohan Mahali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.133.46 ( talk) 16:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Kindest Regards, Rohan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.133.46 ( talk) 16:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Sir,
Thank you for noticing sanctions. No content is deleted or excess data is added in the article. You were also supposed to discuss your last reinstation of old content before reverting them. Pls make a talk before reverting.
Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας ( talk) 17:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/HindiUSA Have a look before I submitB.vikram.b 10:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.vikram.b ( talk • contribs)
I understand but this is mostly a volunteer org and not many media or web published articles. I am just an admirer of what thye have done in USA teaching Hindi to kids 36 schools. Not sure how to cover the outside reference aspect. Any suggestions.B.vikram.b 14:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.vikram.b ( talk • contribs)
Dear Sitush,
Please review the reverts at [ [13]] by Mr. Kumarrao. I have given ample time almost one and half year for providing reliable sources, but it was not the case, Mr Kumarrao always considers a Caste book as authenic History book :p. again a week back gave proper sources to clarify that its false claim. I have clarified the author that non english sources are not reliable. Request your help in calrifying the wiki policies. Indianprithvi ( talk) 05:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush. There's all kinds of badmashery going on at 2010 Deganga riots. I've tried ToI and The Hindu refs... Could you possibly have a look at the article and <S58 code-switches> do the needful? -- Shirt58 ( talk) 11:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 21:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, have made a draft of the Kaul article in my Sandbox. Can you have a look and provide feedback. Have sourced from mostly recent publications. The article flow and language can be further improved, however am planning to start with minimal & sourced content that is readily accessible. Let me have your comments ... Ambar 16:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I want you to have a clear picture of what looks to you like a bad situation. I began a DRN in a perfectly acceptable way, but apparently some people are not pleased with my original wording. Well, the editors in question are showing up and sticking in posts like pins in a cushion. We all know you post at the bottom of a thread. New posts beneath earlier ones. I politely went to each ed's pages and asked them politely to stop doing that. One accused me of wikihounding and trying to "frighten" him and God knows what ... the other simply acted confused. So that's it. There we are. Do you feel better now? Look, I am glad and appreciative that you came to the talk page, but you know ... unfair is unfair, and I occasionally feel some unfairness at WP. Even Floquenbeam acknowledged that he was being a little gruff sometimes. Just want you to know, I am being a good little boy and it seems if I speak up about something not quite right, I get spanked.— Djathink imacowboy 19:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 20:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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I think you need this - I'll leave the whole pot for you if it helps :) Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 21:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
What did I say? Did you think I meant malice when I said "I see that the fun in Wikipedia has eluded you. Best of luck to your endevaour, and once again I apologize for the DRN incident."? I can see eye-to-eye with you when you've gotten completely fed up with Wikipedia and just wanna give up, that's what I meant when I said, "I see that the fun in Wikipedia has eluded you." I've seen myself very upset with Wikipedia and I feel empathy for you. I just want to get disputes resolved and when someone's upset, it makes it worse when someone goes all in defensive mode, so I always apologize instead of escalating the situation by going defensive. I just wanted to make sure that everything was okay since you brought a complaint to my talk page. Conversations doesn't travel well over the Internet (a lot of it is in body language and tone of voice). I guess, I deserve the personal attack. Regards, Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 22:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
If you don't mind sharing, what was your subject faculty while at Cambridge? -- Secondat of Orange ( talk) 22:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Have reformatted the Kashmiri Pandit article to create a better flow and improve content, trying to make it more neutral. Can you take a look at it in my Sandbox page and leave some comments in my talk page pls.Ambar 06:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambar wiki ( talk • contribs)
Hi Sitush - Check the Caste system in India article and its talk page. Your guidance is appreciated. Thanks, ApostleVonColorado ( talk) 17:41, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
@ Sitush: Your comments "I have said it before: you are mixing up surnames and castes, which is wrong" & subsequent reverts ... would like to clarify that I have not linked caste to surname anywhere. I have clearly explained at the beginning of the article that the name Kaul is a surname and also a community (people who had Kaul as the surname of their ancestors)
If there is any specific sentence or issue that is still against the wiki policy, please let me know & I will modify it.-Ambar 03:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
How does your signature get linked to your talk page, it doesn't seem to be working for me.-Ambar 03:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding
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Regarding Kaul, just changing the lead section around does not alter the fundamental problem in the slightest. We have been through all of this on the article talk page, which is the correct forum for such discussions. Mind you, adding the caste infobox made matters even worse than they were when originally discussed.
I really do think that you should drop this whole idea or create a separate article - Kaul (surname) - that specifically deals with the use of the term as a surname in a global context and does not attempt to imply that it is purely caste-related. In particular, listing people with the Kaul surname cannot be linked to listing them as members of the Kaul caste/subcaste etc unless you have verification that they were of that caste or, if living, have self-identified. I really do not know how many more times I can repeat this and it is precisely why I cannot take on the role of mentoring you: for whatever the reason may be, I am quite obviously not capable of explaining this to you. A last point: you made your last edit to Kaul in defiance of warnings previously given to you. Do that again without first achieving consensus and you may well find yourself blocked from contributing to any article. - Sitush ( talk) 03:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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In defence, I only put up the article after I thought we had consensus.Ambar 06:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambar wiki ( talk • contribs)
Note for Sitush to help Ambar's signature issue: S., may I chime in and suggest Ambar wiki have a look at the html code that will have to be got, in order for the signature to link to the user and talk pages? Ambar is asking how to get the signature to link to user page, talk page and perhaps others such as Ambar's contributions. An html code will be needed for that.— Djathink imacowboy 13:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC) --Reply--
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Hi Sitush (and talk page stalkers), I intend to start an AN thread to ask the community to place all articles dealing with indian castes under discretionary sanctions. You know better than I do what's wrong with the topic area, so I'll keep it simple, would you (or your talk page stalkers) be willing to help to gather a couple of diffs of general disruption (low-level incivility, POV-pushing, edit warring and the like) to convince the community we need those sanctions? Thanks. Salvio Let's talk about it! 16:23, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
lol i have never disputed anyone's intelligence.though mine has been and i am apparantely a worthless attention wh**** . Pernoctator ( talk) 17:31, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi User:Sitush, I guess Chauhan article if made locked can be protected from intentional vandalism. Lets have discussion 1st for every point added there and based on the consensus those can be allowed to added. it seems some user are intentionally editing rather then adding more points there. Thanks.. 123.238.25.161 ( talk) 20:24, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I found an old citation for bee-keeping and added it, the IP moved it so it cites something else in the lead. Dougweller ( talk) 16:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
see page 139-140. thurston makes a clear difference between devil dancer parava and the fishermen paravan.this is what he says about devil dancer parava 139-140.The Tulu-speaking Paravas of South Canara are, like the Nalkes and Pombadas, devil-dancers, and are further employed in the manufacture of baskets and umbrellas. Socially, they occupy a higher position than the Nalkes, but rank below the Pombadas. The bhuthas (devils) whose disguise they assume are Koda- manitaya and the Baiderukalu, who may not be represented by Nalkes ; and they have no objection to putting on the disguise of other bhuthas. Paravas are engaged for all kinds of devil-dances when Nalkes are not available.image is for the devil dancer parava which has been printed in the succedding page.there is also a photo before 139 if you see. Pernoctator ( talk) 11:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
also see 143 there are three caste which answer to the name parava. Pernoctator ( talk) 12:05, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
I saw your edits on the
Fanny Crosby page, and was wondering if you would take a look at
Wesleyan University? I've been
going back and forth with an IP editor for months regarding citation bloat... While I've cut at least 100 bad/irrelevant citations out, I could use some help (even with all those cuts, the article has *gained* 60 citations since September anyway!). Thoughts? Best,
Markvs88 (
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15:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey... few things on this. Why are the images outcasted & left on one side? Why is this Muhnot Nainsi given special attention at the end? Cant he be just mentioned somewhere in the article. One excitedly clicks on him hoping he is someone similar to Tod to actually read only two lines. - Animeshkulkarni ( talk) 15:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, as you can see on my talk page and Alarbus's, I asked him to work on Washington quarter. I got it through GA somehow and am thinking of improving it. Best,-- Wehwalt ( talk) 16:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush! I admire your contribution over wikipedia articles but request that articles, particularly about ethnic groups etc. be writted only by people knowledgeable about them or those belonging to them as there is not enough information about most of them on internet. I have rewritten the article and will continue to add to it as and when I find time. thanks. truthalwaystriumphs —Preceding undated comment added 17:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC).
The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 04:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Go on u can edit it... all the sources I have cited furnish correct information.. morover I am not boased coz i dun belong to any of those communities :D Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Your edits seem biased not tryin to get personal.... caste is a concept of bygone era... u cud use past tense to refer it... but dun simply edit articles as per ur knowledge.. its a request. Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:22, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Panchal Brahmins: The Panchal or Vishva or Vishwakarma Brahmins form a distinct caste the members of which follow the occupations ... That is why sometimes they are known as Sonars, ie, goldsmiths and in Maharashtra as Deshastha Sonars.
Source:Sociological bulletin, Volumes 11-12,Indian Sociological Society
Nijgoykar (
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11:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
I have not written those articles obviously.Why are there many articles about Brahmin sub-castes which are like uncountable in India..when all are basically Brahmins and when there already is one article Brahmin for all.. same logic apples here. Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
There are cases when the artisan castes are not Vishvakarmas. Nijgoykar ( talk) 11:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Have not been around much on Wiki recently as was still plodding along with my Brothertoft history. I have now made several visits to the Surrey History Centre with regard to Sir Charles Fredericks papers (wonderful to handle his old deeds indentures receipts and papers!) I have also spoken to a local historian who wrote a book about the village and have it here although it isnt online. 1) from my own research, the Sampson Gideon ownership is erronous. He did buy up vast tracts of lands but mostly in the Bedford Level. The Final Concord agreement at Surrey History Centre dated 1760 is between Duke of Newcastle Heirs, Lady Catherine Pelham (Widow of Henry) and Sir Charles Frederick, so it is clear he bought the manor directly from them. He died in 1785 and his son Thomas Lenox Frederick sells it to Cartwright who took ownership Lady Day 1789. He then sells it on to Henry Gee, father of Thomas Gee, and it is then briefly occupied by his widow Ann (Leman) and cousin William Gee until 1877. 2) The Hall - Quote "No one knows who built the Hall" - even those that live there today dont know, In 1774 Sir Charles Frederick leases it to John Chappell and it is a) the largest lease by far and b) described as "Manor Farm House previously known as Capital House Farm". It would appear that the Hall is partly ancient with later additions and at the very least sits on the same site as the previous manor houses. It was refurbished by Cartwright before he sold it (it was let 1805-13), and extended and modernised by Gee and by Frederick Curtois. 3)Thomas Saul/John Saul. Parish registers in Brothertoft and Boston relate their story, as well as an indenture of 1729 leasing part of the land in Low Fen Brothertoft/Boston West all from John Fossitt dikereeve of Boston West, to Thomas Saull, Robert Smith and John Fisher. A baptist book I found online recounts "Thomas Saull became rich out of hunting and fishing in Brothertoft, and laid the foundation stone of the Baptist chapel in Boston in 1763 just before he died" (paraphrased but thats the gist). His funeral took place in Boston St Botolphs and the burial register claims he died of smallpox and was buried at Brothertoft. The Brothertoft burial register verifies the burial and curiously claims "This was a good man it is a pity it should be forgotten". John Saul his son built the baptist chapel in Boston in memory of his father. He appears to die in 1779 as a burial for a John Saul is in Brothertoft register at that date. Both Brothertoft and Boston PRs are available on the Lincs to the Past site, and I could find the ref in that baptist book again easily enough. Id like to correct the Wiki Article in this way but request your help and advice as I am now very out of practice. A.
One more thing, I would like to include a poem I found in the parish register, which can be linked to via the Lincs to the Past site. It was written by one Benjamin Leigh, lamenting his father (also Benjamin Leigh)s death.
"Old Frestling time that all things doth consume, And Mother Earth doth all mankind entomb, As waves on waves, so man doth man succeed, One rolling off, another comes with speed, Our Father gone, we haston soon, and thus, In a few years, our Heirs must follow us. Benj Leigh 1754." under his fathers burial is written: "One generation to the next gives place; Tis so with all mankind, oh Mortal Race!" I think its a lovely and touching poem, and since I have not been able to find it online anywhere, I presume Benjamin Leigh wrote it himself. It would be a shame if it were to be forgotten? What to do you think? Thanks again, Panderoona ( talk) 10:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC) (NB forgot Wiki likes losing your formatting :S Panderoona ( talk) 11:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I find your views very personal,and you need to broaden your perception.I am not an anthropologist to write those books and clear your doubts.Good luck! Nijgoykar ( talk) 10:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
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I anoint you a Member of the Wikipedian Order of the Pigeon an impromptu organization to celebrate excellent pigeon-work in it's many forms on Wikipedia. Thanks for adding to Pigeon pie and all your work in the community! Sadads ( talk) 16:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
the additions have been done on siginificant data, I agree few do not have school name mentioned on page but, most of them have, I will still have a look, thanks Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC) kindly see See List of Old Sanawarians Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
thanks for removing the work! do you have significant knowledge about the subject and school we are talking about? Please read articles you have removed the category from and added ciatation needed link! they are all written by users with good knowledge and if you will make some effort to search you will find significant reference about each. Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Advice taken about policy, will only add very reliable source like economic time or news papers. Whileships savedhead ( talk) 02:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Please look into the edit war in the Shramana article. I left a message on the user page of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ForestTeacher He contacted me back on my talk page. However, its obvious ForestTeacher is into an edit conflict. Am not working on the Shramana article anymore. Its kinda strange i have too report this to you. Hope you do the needful. Am hoping other admins take note (i still dunno how do i contact any admin).-- = No ||| Illusion = ( talk) 05:46, 10 February 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra
Hi Sitush, i see that you are online. Would you please check if you can access the following website through your web browser. I have been unable to access it for two days. Thanks.
Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 09:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
In your edit of 27 July 2011 Sitush you introduced the following into the article on James Tod .
“ | Tod relied heavily on existing Indian texts for his historical information, most of which are today considered to be unreliable. Indeed, Macaulay wrote in 1835 that "a single shelf of a good European library was worth the whole native literature of India and Arabia." [1] | ” |
While the meaning of Macaulay's quote is perfectly clear would appreciate to know why you would specifically include such a completely bigoted view on all Indian and Arabian literature , into a Wikipedia article ?
Thankyou
Intothefire (
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15:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Is there any reason to include what I removed? Did you actually read the paragraph that had nothing to do with the article in any way, shape or form? I'm not concerned about the rest of the article, and I've only made two edits to it ever. Please fully understand what an editor has done before trying to act like the Wikipolice. Have you considered that after my edit I was working on a post on the talk page declaring my apathy to the rest of the content? Ian.thomson ( talk) 19:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I just saw this warning message you left at User talk:Ian.thomson. Based on your conduct at the Shramana article, you are just as susceptible, if not more susceptible, as Ian to being blocked for edit warring. — C.Fred ( talk) 20:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
The content was recently added, and although sourced, has nothing to do with Shramana. SaibAbaVenkatesh ( talk) 21:18, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
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For keeping caste articles on WikiProject India as clean as humanly possible. AshLin ( talk) 15:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
Thank u for that & regarding VK Singh, The "refused to intervene" is not a right usage in the legal sense. If so, What was Supreme Court doing in 2 days and that too 3 long hours of proceedings. I am afraid a good newspaper like Hindu really understood the legal terminology. ref:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Army-chief-V-K-Singh-loses-legal-battle-govt-hails-Supreme-Court-order/articleshow/11838737.cms
and it is not a times of india vs The Hindu . for any one can understand VK Singh withdrew petition in the backdrop of Supreme Court earlier rejecting a PIL favouring VK Singh and later a not so favourable legal posturing. [[
Jeevanjoseph1974 (
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20:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)]]
Why are you undoing my changes, can we speak together and agree on the histories.
I can provide the proof of raju kshatriyas.
Actual hindu vedic kshatriya orign from saptha rishi gotra and who are twice born with upanayana.
Raju / Varma kshatriya are classified into Suryavamshi and Chandra Vamshi with Sapta Rishis gotras with upanayana.
Lord Rama is from Vashista Gotra,
please find the family tree of actual hindu vedic kshatriya with saptharishi gotra.
Lord rama, Lord krishna, budha also included.
Kshatriya with saptharishi gotra and twice born with upanayana are actual kshatriya.
Lord rama is from vashista gotra File:The_Genealogy_of_Bharata.png
Saibaba Venkatesh deleted an entire section again, without a reason. Please see log - http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Shramana&action=history
Saibaba Venkatesh did this despite the ongoing discussions. Please see his messages and personal insult (idiot) on this page -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Shramana
Saibaba Venkates not only broke the three-revert rule within 24 hours, but also indulged in insulting. Please do the needful as an admin. I suspect he will continue to vandalise the article.-- = No ||| Illusion = ( talk) 05:09, 11 February 2012 (UTC)Mayasutra
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AshLin ( talk) 06:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted your recent edit at
Ror and made a statement at
Talk:Ror regarding that. There has recently been a change of policy regarding how Indian caste/community articles are handled here on en-Wikipedia and so I am inserting the standard template below so that you are aware of this. I am suggesting that you have engaged in "inappropriate conduct", because you are deleting material without providing another reference which refutes what is quoted from Tod. -
Ror Is King (
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06:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ror Is King ( talk) 06:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
plz visit that page a Paki nationalists is simply refusing to accept what is true facts and constantly removing the sources as well as the facts, he has history of such nationalists acts such as indo-pak 1965 war and indo-pak 1971 war on all those pages he is indulge in edits to glorify pakistan. Plz look into the case his user name is Topgun 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
your edits can be looked in the history section , the vandalizing edits you have made showed your deep bias against India , and further you are removing well sourced materials . Your edits in 1971 war is also a case where you were warned for your conduct. 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Sitush plz visit 1971 and 1965 war pages and go through the history , his request for you not to intervene is to save his image, ask any neutral user this guy is always invloved in pro-pakistani edits with the same mentality of pakistan is best. Plz visit all the Pages yourself and decide yourself dont rely on this troll , his lies and propaganda can be seen from his edits. I request you to visit this page as he is trying to persuade you not to visit these pages as this will expose this real intentions. Thnx
122.161.31.230 (
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09:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
This guy has been blocked numerous times for his edits specially those when he make edits or undone edits by others which he found is against pakistan or specially muslims. Visit his talk page, reasons why he was blocked will make it clear that he is habitual offender , he never accept any source which shows pakistan in poor light gives no reason for removing well sourced contents all the scholars named in chagai-I page has also contested Indian Pokhran claims and their views have been put up in the Indian test pages but the same sources were deleted by this guy which contest the pakistani claims. Plz look into the issue as this guy is completely biased and will try to block me by the help of other pakistani users. 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TopGun/Punitive_Block he has history of such edit wars, where he delete the sourced contents as those contents are not in favor of pakistan, now this same guy is accusing me of an edit war, i have never entered an edit war my all edits are well sourced as can be seen from my contribution page. Thnx 122.161.31.230 ( talk) 09:24, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Visit my talk page, this guy is trying to implicate me in a hoax personal abuse, i have not abuse anyone. Sitush i urge you to have a look at this guy topgun activity as he along with other pakistani users will try to block me so that they can continue to vandalize other articles. He is coming up with fake warnings such as edit-war, personal abuse most probably to strengthen his case, you should ban him , he is again indulging in edit wars . He has been banned over a dozen times for the same attitude.
122.161.31.230 (
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10:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I have replied to your message at User talk:JamesBWatson#Idukki. JamesBWatson ( talk) 15:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Hey Sitush, I'm on a mini-wikibreak for a few days now; working on an outreach related matter. Will come back shortly and help you out with the articles! Cheers, Lynch 7 17:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Since you are repeatedly deleting my contributions over various articles without discussion (see my contributions page) and talk page strewn with your messages . I find your selective actions contradictory .
We need to discuss the serious contradictions in your appropriating the privilege to add or remove content with citations by other editors .There are instances galore but I am going to discuss here only two such instances .
Lets take instance no 1 first regarding a dodgy book Kshatriyas_and_would-be_Kshatriyas - which is currently citation no 18 on article Khatri .
An article which you ostensibly started editing on 23rd September (and subsequently deleted various valid content and citations) and on which you have done considerable work deleting and adding citations as well as conflicting with other editors trying to contribute content .
Is this book a valid citation for a Wikipedia article or not ? Because you have been instrumental in both creating this citation as well as condemning it . Since you have have stated yourself that you are not happy with this citation .
Whereas you state you are not happy with the citation , and yet it stays on the article inspite of your minute involvement with the article regarding edit contributions by others .
Is this book a valid citation for a Wikipedia article or not ?
Next lets discuss the article Baid and the citations you have provided there that contradict your own statements to others regarding quality of sources and content.
Intothefire ( talk) 13:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Intothefire ( talk) 19:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, the proposal to impose discretionary sanctions was enacted; if you need a template to inform editors about them, I have created this one, basically coping Template:Uw-sanctions. Feel free to use it, if you wish. Cheers. Salvio Let's talk about it! 23:46, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The basic point is that, usually, it is very difficult to block for low-level disruption: tendentious editing, I-didn't-hear-that type of behaviour, general incivility that does not rise to the level of personal attack, filibustering. In all these cases, it takes time and patience and blocks are issued only after considerable disruption has been caused. With these sanctions, hopefully, we'd be better equipped to handle them: first a warning, then, if the user doesn't mend his ways, we can start imposing sanctions (increasing blocks or topic/article bans). Discretionary sanctions basically lower the bar for the imposition of sanctions. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I am seeking to make sense of contradictory stances and standards you adopt in different articles concerning validity of sources . Since the matter concerns several articles the best place to discuss is your talk page where a convergence is possible for a discussion spanning several different articles .
Sitush you have incessantly deleted my contributions without discussion , nay even deleted my discussion on various talk pages . Then posted messages on my page calling me incompetent because of sources I have used .
But the contradiction of your own usage of questionable sources and vilifying citations is self evident . Lets take one more example :of article Baid .
7 December 2011 -On this article which was about a community Sitush adds the following content :
“ | In the medical context, William Crooke, a folklorist and ethnologist of the British Raj, considered such people, who were Hindu, to be "incompetent" in their medical practices and that they "used materials collected by the jungle men, of the use of which [they are] generally ignorant. To take medicine from [them] is a sort of sacramental act. ...The Baid, in fact, is little better than the medicine-man of jungle tribes." He saw a distinction between the medicine of the Baid and that of the Muslim Hakim. [2] | ” |
Now whats wrong with Tod if you keep deleting him as a source even as you give yourself the prerogative to yourself use William Crooke ?
Intothefire (
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18:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I just took a hatchet to it. Considering the way it looked before the chop, I gather it's not on your watchlist. Best, Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 03:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Your recent editing history shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block.
If you wish to avoid being blocked, instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to discuss the changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. You may still be blocked for edit warring even if you do not exceed the technical limit of the three-revert rule if your behavior indicates that you intend to continue to revert repeatedly. You have reverted edits on James Tod twice already 1 [1] ; 2 [2]. Please don't indulge in edit warring. Ror Is King ( talk) 06:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I have decided an RFC/U is on order for TG's shoddy sourcing and edit warring of uncited content into articles. As you expressed alarm over one aspect of his behaviour I am informing you in case you would like to endorse it. [5] Darkness Shines ( talk) 13:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The image the IP user placed on Talk:Rajus and that actually has been placed on Saptarishi appears to be from this page: [6]. This means that not only is it not a WP:RS, it is probably a copyright violation. I tried looking at both the relevant policy pages and Moonriddengirl's policy pages and was very confused as to where to start. If you would get out your wiki machete and cut through the confusion and tell me what needs to be done about this image and what steps I should take first, I'd really appreciate it. Alternately, I am fine if you just decided to do it yourself. JanetteDoe ( talk) 06:32, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
did u get the templeman booki sent u... Mayan302 ( talk) 07:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush,
Thanks for your message. I do in fact work for The Script and I'm having real trouble getting info we need added to the page. Other users seem to revert my work even after I have referenced information correctly following guides on wiki.
My other issue is 'My Town' a band the boys previously were connected to but do not want to mentioned on their individual pages or the band wiki page.
Could you provide any advise or an official line on how we deal with this?
Many Thanks.
George James The Script HQ Digital PR / Social Media Essence Digital UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheScriptOfficial ( talk • contribs) 10:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
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Sitush, thank you for all of your work on the Wesleyan University page, cheers! from Markvs88 - 09:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Sitush,
Belated welcome to WikiProject India. Thanks for joining our WikiProject community! As you already know, I'm a volunteer for the WikiProject and the first guy to approach if you need help! ;)
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There seems to be some drama on an individual's article page as described in this section. As the person is a political figure, and the warning template specifically mentions political parties, do you think it would be appropriate to place the template on that person's article's talk page? JanetteDoe ( talk) 17:57, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Do not bother, I will not be responding to him again. Darkness Shines ( talk) 18:45, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I was pleased to see Lewis thehaven ( talk) return today, as I was afraid he was a one-off visitor and I wanted to know about his sources; so I poked him on his talk page and got this answer. Since WP:V says "Source material must have been published (made available to the public in some form); unpublished materials are not considered reliable", that's no good. I doubt if the article can be saved - would the sources you found support a basic stub? Is there enough to support a mention in Hereford (cattle), which might be better than a minimal stub if there was no prospect of expansion? Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 20:51, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
RE: It is always a pleasure to deal with a new contributor in the India caste-related sphere and find them to be reasonable in their discussions! Thank you very much.
I may not be as reasonable as you may think. I'm afraid the irony here is that it is probably my family's perceived varna status that has left me with such a moderate outlook on caste matters. I have always been taught that discussion of caste does not matter; as that kind of jostling for position in the social order is something to be left to the lower orders. However, thank you, I try to stay unbiased and frankly, the only reason I even noticed the article had been redirected and changed was because of research into my family history. I attempted to find a more reliable source than my family and wound up finding that anthropological study. Unfortunately, even after scouring UK journal databases via my university I can only find the smallest of fragments about my ancestors. I guess I'll have to concede, at least for now, that my only source for this information is my family, and the fact that I get mistaken for Punjabi wherever I go, despite my family being from Gujarat.-- Splashley ( talk) 12:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually, it isn't so much the name of a particular caste. In the Western/North-western states, you can often guess the caste, family, surname of those around you based purely on certain physical features. Of course these aren't always correct assumptions, but for the most part those of a certain community will have common features. I think this has something to do with the endogamy of certain communities. For example, the Kadia Kshatriya. Again, I'm not sure if this is absolutely the case everywhere. When it comes to diaspora, especially within the UK, this stereotyping happens more often with communities mixing a lot. I have been mistaken for Punjabi because of certain physical features, I don't 'look' like a Gujarati. As a family, we have been called 'white' due to our skin colour and Punjabi based on nose shape and body structure, people assume we are aggressive people. On the other hand, it lends credence to the idea that we may be of Rajasthani origin, but again [citation needed]. I find this fascinating because as I have paid more attention to it, it seems that people draw caste lines on mainly racial grounds. That however, is a can of worms that I DO NOT want to open.-- Splashley ( talk) 13:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Have you read the Herbert Hope Risley article (mostly written by me) or Scientific racism (I've barely contributed to that one). I would be interested in your opinion: these are thorny issues but they do need to be presented in an encyclopedia, with an appropriate amount of care regarding sourcing etc. - Sitush ( talk) 13:23, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
You are requested to visit Talk:Patna University to see the justification for my reverting your edit. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 16:29, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Sitush. Thanks for the support here. I nevertheless think an immediate Community Ban is in order if I ever use "themself" in articlespace :-) -- Shirt58 ( talk) 11:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I went to all of the effort to type of a 3RR report on User:Zazscholar, and when I went to look at the page to get a link to notify the user, I saw your report just above mine. For the future, report all administrative requests related to Official Cabal Activities via the Red Hotline, please. To all the stalkers--there is no cabal, I promise. Qwyrxian ( talk) 13:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, I can converse in Tamil, but cannot read and write that well. I suggest you reach out to User:Sundar. — Ganeshk ( talk) 18:17, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
COuld you please elobarate on why you deleted the referances i provided for you? i gave referance from books of samgam tamil books — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srinifromsalem ( talk • contribs) 14:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, the one Sangam Book( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purananuru), i reffered has the direct link to all kinds of war, politics, wealth, as well as aspects of every-day living activities done in old tamil period. It is a direct source where poet sung about all activities done in that period. Please help me in adding these as referances.
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could you please tell me what else can i provide as proof. any research books reference will hold good? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.79.40.119 ( talk) 16:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the email, I wasn't aware of the history. Will look to revert. Connolly15 ( talk) 15:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
He's requesting an unblock; I'm letting you know in case the reviewing admin wants to hear from you on the topic, since you warned him several times. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 17:06, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
a line in the northern nadars section says that the vellalars n maravars were just above the nadars.thats not right the maravars were just above the nadars.not the vellalars.u might want to change that. Mayan302 ( talk) 05:21, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
The community has recently added some pretty liberal sanction powers regarding Indian politics and caste articles. This may be of interest to you as they cover disruption, including evidenceable "I don't hear that" conduct. I thought you may like to know about this given that I believe you may have been experiencing IDHT behaviour from other editors that amounts to disruption in areas that you edit. Fifelfoo ( talk) 00:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
I was forced to write to you as you edited something which resulted in wrong information on Dasuya. You have no information on India (read Punjab) I believe, hope you know that election results are still awaited (google it). Someone changed Sahi to Dogra and I removed it indicating vandalism. Once again just for some strange reason you changed it to Dogra who was not even elected in 2007. Please avoid editing article where you have no knowledge. If you are so desperate please google it to verify. You can earn stars for real edits by using google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Punjabi gladiator ( talk • contribs) 17:57, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Here is a small bit of what I removed from Dasuya
Dasuya is a very ancient town. It is believed that it was known as Virat Nagar in the Mahabharata and the Pandavas spent last one year of their exile in Virat Nagar in the service of its king.
Dasuya is one of the key towns of Hoshiarpur. The per capita income of Dasuya is higher than rest of Punjab which in turn is leading within India. Dasuya is an agriculture-centered community. Apart from routine rice, wheat, maize and sugarcane, farmers also grow sunflower, pulses, potatoes, sesame, peaches, oranges, papaya, grapes, melons and mangoes. Dasuya is located in the Basmati belt of India which extends from Karnal to Jammu region.
Can you explain to me how you think that your photographs could resolve the sourcing of that content (except, perhaps, for photos of crops)? - Sitush ( talk) 19:40, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I respect your dalit activism. However Kushwaha are neither people of Maharastra nor what you portray them to be. You seem to have little knowledge of the matter. pls stop edit war by doing eight edits in such a short time. Revert the article immediately to its previous state immediately. Moriya ( talk) 14:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I've looked at the editing history of User:Yadavrewari, and my sock-o-meter is screaming at the top of its lungs. The SPI is now open. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 00:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Could you spare a few minutes here for commenting? Thanks. X.One SOS 14:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, Thanks for your note. I had merely put most of them into a more relevant category, like that of a university alumni, or faculty. Byomkesh Bakshi ( talk) 17:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I looked at some of the material you referred me to re Yogesh. 3 years ago he was saying Dickens was a "white supremacist". Yes, CD was racist (a better term would be "xenophobic") and a supporter of colonialism, but "white supremacist??? However, on the Talk page I think I will continue to treat him as if he was a stranger. Thanks very much for the heads-up.-- WickerGuy ( talk) 01:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that kind note, Sitush. I am working on the Caste article. All is well so far, but down the road, I may need some guidance. Cheers, ApostleVonColorado ( talk) 12:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations! You hung in there and carried the issue. Binksternet ( talk) 14:35, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
@Sitush, i feel you should get your facts clear, Thakur Jugal Kishore Sinha and Ram Dulari Sinha are the most prominent Rajput Leaders of their time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhatmishra1985 ( talk • contribs) 16:58, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Congrats on getting the James Tod article promoted to FA status! :-) Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 20:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for encouraging me to attend the Manchester meetup, I really enjoyed it. It's the kind of thing that I would normally avoid like the plague, but everyone there seemed fairly normal. Except for you and me of course. ;-) Malleus Fatuorum 21:32, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
See WP:ANI#Block user from creating Indian College Pages. I know you've had issues with this user in the past, so I thought I'd let you know.
It seems that while I was engaged in Mancunian libations yesterday (still recovering!), James Tod was promoted to FA status. I must admit to some surprise as I had thought that the process would take a little longer, especially given recent events. Anyway, my thanks to all of those who helped with the article and otherwise encouraged me in writing the "opium-eater's tale". - Sitush ( talk) 07:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
My purpose in adding Naga Chaitanya's last name, Akkineni, is for viewers to know that he is the grandson of the famous 1900's actor Nageswara Rao Akkineni and the son of actor Nagarjuna Rao Akkineni.
Dav subrajathan.357 ( talk) 19:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ror Is King ( talk • contribs) 08:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Pernoctator ( talk) 08:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi there. Can you please point me to the RfC that resulted in this? If this is a general decision to remove local names that's maybe 300,000 articles to clean up, more or less :) -- Muhandes ( talk) 19:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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For supporting the cause of assessment in the best possible way by assessments - that too so many! AshLin ( talk) 04:35, 28 February 2012 (UTC) |
Dedhar. I'll clean it up tomorrow. (Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in!) :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 14:40, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush, Please analyse the fellow wiki author edits and then say that they are nonsense. It clearly seems you are senseless relating to Telugu communities and yourself have added non related stuff in Rajus page. Plase stop your senseless edits and discuss if u have any knowledge on those points. Indianprithvi ( talk) 16:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Ha, we both spotted it at the same time, and you just beat me to the revert! It's clearly the same user been on that IP for at least several days, so I've blocked for 24 hours. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 11:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
@ sitush. It seems your facts are not clear about the Rajput Community and as far as references are concerned about whether a person belongs to a particular community or not, these things are hardly published in India because these are known facts and i belong to the constituency of Ram Dulari Sinha and Thakur Jugal Kishore Sinha, therefore i am aware about their community/caste.
Can you please give the reference of people like Sushil Kumar Singh, Harikesh Bahadur, Nikhil Kumar, Shyama Singh, Uday Singh, Prabhunath Singh and many others.
You Should stop interfering with these articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabhatmishra1985 ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 1 March 2012
Just to tell you, I have posted a reply after in in Animesh Kulkarni's talk page-- Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 05:15, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I have posted a new version of the section at Talk:Syed Modi/Temp, what's next...-- Ekabhishek talk 05:48, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I'll try to take a look at it later today and see if I can be bold. - Sitush ( talk) 14:12, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
there is a big tag stating that the article will be deleted what does it mean sitush? Mayan302 ( talk) 14:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Replied on the talk page of the said article. Cheers, Around The Globe सत्यमेव जयते 14:47, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
I setup auto archiving and that was it, this leads you to say I need a topic ban? What did I do wrong today? Sheesh. Can I ask you to do something, look at the comment made here [12] by an editor not even remotely involved in these articles. Now tell me if I am as " POV-y" as you think. Darkness Shines ( talk) 14:16, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your message. You are correct that MOS:FLAG does make an allowance for representing a country, but in this case (as with the others I've removed) the field being flagged is nationality, which is not the same thing, or necessarily the country represented by the boxer. If you look at other Boxers, you'll see they have a separate info box for their appearance in national teams, which usually does have the flag. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 01:25, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
I see that you keep asking for citation on "House of Tulsipur". There are 36 various references. You may know how to use citation in Wiki then go ahead and use the appropriate citation based on those references. Some folks don't know how to use the technology on exactly how to use html and cite. Please don't raise questions of doubt on historical materials that have been researched and referenced in last 200 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.49.14 ( talk) 04:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Actually I am not interested in talking with you. But then you mentioned that 'You have done it again'. I would like to know what I have 'done it again', when I asked a specific question on why a particular article was deleted. I arrived there from a link in a external webpage.
As to the other acrimonious posts you find in my talk page, I can very well delete them. But the I maintain them as a record of such posts.
-- Ved from Victoria Institutions ( talk) 10:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
So many persons have done similar writings on my user pages. Yet, when I explain to them, they do retract. I do not generally follow up these things. For example see this in my talk page:
Quote: Okay, I see. I didn't realize that the toddy tappers person was editing your posts, so I did remove your vandalised posts, but it was not my intention to delete your words. Sorry about that. I have the page watchlisted, and will revert any vandalism of anyone's talk page postings. You are free to do the same. Natalie 15:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I feel we will stop with this, as I do not have time for more debate. -- Ved from Victoria Institutions ( talk) 11:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, have already updated the ISBN numbers. The references provided are from reliable sources, including the autobiography of Jawaharlal Nehru, which is a reliable source. What are your concerns ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambar wiki ( talk • contribs) 03:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Suddenly a bunch of "old friends" are reappearing out of the woodwork, all at the same time. JanetteDoe ( talk) 19:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
I am not engaged in edit war. I just disagree with Mr. Sitush who seems to have all "God Given" right to do whatever he pleases with other people's 30 year of research.
I simply asked him to leave historical facts alone. Granted, if it is not to Wiki par technically speaking then he can help me do the appropriate citing since I don't know Wiki technology. But he need NOT try to erase history.
I don't want any war, I simply want to help the world know history of a small place called "Tulsipur". I can gurantee you that I know more than Sithush about history of Tulsipur.
Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjpsingh ( talk • contribs) 22:25, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Since you are a Wiki expert. Why don't you cite my piece the way it should be. I have provided references. Things like WWI and WWII are historical facts. Go through it and help me cite it yourself. I think it will make you happy. Go for it, please please !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjpsingh ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay Sitush - let's talk about what "History" is. Would you like to have a "philisophical" discourse or modern version of definition discourse.
For example "Battle of Loos" was a historical fact. For example "King Commission Officers" was a historical fact. For example "Military Dispatches" were indeed printed in London Times. For example "World War I" is event that really really happened. You don't believe it happened, Sitush? For example "World War II" is event that really really happened. You don't believe it happened, Sitush?
And tell me Mr. Sitush...what kind of sane man asks for WWI and WWII citation? Its like asking citation for a statement when I say "we live in planet earth". I mean these are basic facts everyone knows....Comon On !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjpsingh ( talk • contribs) 22:17, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Dude - I am not here to argue with you since I can't win as you are Wiki police. But I must ask you to leave history alone. Help me understand of "why, what, how and where" when you say cite references. I have given enough references about World War I, World War II, Battle of Loos in France against the German Nazi Forces, King Commissioned Oficers and Military Dispatches that were daily published in London Times during WWI and WWII. What references do you need besides these? In addition, I have provided various links to other Wiki pages on these topic for validation and cross references !! Please leave my recent addition about people who are related to House of Tulsipur who fought in World War 1 and World War II alone. These people, unlike you and I who take freedom for granted, gave the ultimate sacrifice with their lives to free the world from the Nazis !!!!!!!!!
Please don't delte my comments. I am user rjpsingh on Wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.49.14 ( talk) 22:11, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Just in case you didn't spot it, we have someone from two IPs in the same range removing content from Template:Kshatriya Communities. Each time I've reverted solely because the removal was unsourced - should there be an actual content discussion at any time, I'll leave that to others. -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 13:29, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
I suppose we should prod it for deletion.there are hundreds if not thousands of claimants to Kshatriya status.the template is practically prone to mischief. Linguistic Geek 13:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey - if you have the time, could you look at Local Resistance to Mysore Rule in Malabar and other edits by Ajaynambiar11 ( talk · contribs)? Some of them strike me as problematic, but this is more your area of expertise than mine. Kevin (kgorman-ucb) ( talk) 09:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, We need a resolution on the Saini page. You added a sentence saying their Shoorsen links are disputed, but that's being reverted by other editors back and forth. Is it possible to put a stop to this?
Furthermore, there is more than enough evidence presented on the Saini/talk page to dispute their rajput status as well. What's the process for incorporating that? thanks for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.45.4 ( talk) 22:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is " Saini". Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajput666 ( talk • contribs) 05:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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I find the box above useful for AfC quick links. Hope this helps, Mediation4u ( talk) 08:47, 7 March 2012 (UTC) editing is fun
Hi Sitush,
Thanks for looking at my submission for the North London Self-Employed Lunch Club (NLSELC). You say that my references are not independent as they link to the NLSELC's website; however, the articles that are cited are independent: one article appeared in the London Evening Standard, the other in the Islington Gazette. Unfortunately, neither of the articles are currently available online anywhere other than the NLSELC's site. Nevertheless, I don't see why the articles don't count as independent references just because the copies of the article I refer to are hosted on the club's website. My references also give full details of the newspaper publications as per MHRA referencing guidelines (I've added a page reference for the Islington Gazette, page ref not available for the Standard) - anybody who wanted to could go and locate these articles in a library newspaper archive.
Thanks again for taking the time to consider my article. I hope that we can resolve these issues.
Best, Chd27 ( talk) 14:19, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Sources do not have to be available online, but in itself that does not resolve the issues here.For all I know, those could have been press releases and/or passing mentions, neither of which are suitable. I must admit to not actually looking at the club's website because I didn't think it necessary: it exists, sure, but we should not rely on self-published sources for very much at all. For that reason, I didn't realise that the newspaper articles had been transcribed on that site.
Nonetheless, really, I think that you need to somehow improve the article so that it more certainly passed the bar for notability. Otherwise, we will end up with articles here for every branch of, say, the National Deaf Childrens' Society or the WI. If you cannot do that then I am unsure of the way forward, but let me know anyway and I will seek some further input. - Sitush ( talk) 14:32, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your contribution to Mokama Ghat. Arunbandana ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush
It is needless to mention that Kayasthas are one of the highest castes in the Indian caste system. As per Wikipedia's article on Kayastha, though their exact caste status is a subject matter of debate, they are consistently ranked between Kshatriyas and Brahmins. Obviously, the five families who came along with five Brahmins, were not arbitrarily accorded the status of Kayasthas by the King, and that too of Kulins i.e. highest among the Kayasthas. It is obvious from all historical citations that the five Brahmins came with five learned Kayastha disciples, who were therefore accorded the status of Kulins.
Moreover, as per your article on 'Kulin Kayastha', 'The Kayasthas are regarded in Bengal, along with the Brahmins, as being the highest Hindu castes that comprise the upper layer of Hindu society'. Again as per Wikipedia only, Kayasthas are one of the most forward castes, and definitely not 'Shudras'. For your information, as per www.vedah.net, which is one of the most authentic sites, Kayasthas are considered as another Brahmin community ( http://www.vedah.net/manasanskriti/Brahmins.html). Though this may be a subject matter of debate, definitely Kayasthas are anything but Shudras. And this obviously applies to the Kulin Kayasthas, who were considered to be superior among them
Regards Pal Subhojit
Pal subhojit ( talk) 17:23, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I thought I'd give you a heads-up: I'm about to unblock HistoryofKushwaha ( talk · contribs). Next time you see them getting combative, adding unverified and POV stuff, or whatever, drop me a line or place a note on ANI, and they'll be done forever. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 02:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I guess there is always a possible solution around for any problem. And in the case of Salasar Balaji, if something was wrong, I expect you (as a more experienced editor than me) suggest me the appropriate corrections to be done rather than simple reverting the entire article. It took me my full 3 days to expand that article from that "last best version" and I guess it would've taken less than a minute for you to revert it. Moreover, I see that not everything was copied from Jatland and I have other resources too provided in the references section. Anyways now please say if this will be fine that I revert the content back, analyse and remove the only content taken from Jatland. For other content, I've got different resources and references. Does that makes sense and sounds good? -- Msrag ( talk) 05:49, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush..you are a wonderful cleaner..infact I appreciate your contributions in wiki so far..but we should atleast should not remove the True contents and history which are real and well known in India..and ancient kshatriya tribes have little recorded due to the indifference and discrimination during british..no doubt that historian Colonel James tod was biased towards rajputs but the historian was nota at all biased towards meenas. As you know the people who sacrifices thier live for country like meenas,bheels,gujjars didnt get recognition..Under the influence of their ally Rajput kingdoms, British were biased towards Minas, Jats and Bheels. Hence they do not wrote much about the legacy of their ancient empires. the British were very harsh in dealing with these people. Thus Russell and Hiralal 'views' regarding Minas being 'bandits' is biased and baseless....I hope you are understanding the truth regarding that article..so please add some previous paras which are cited,true and Authentic. AND atlast we are here to present the True history.I hope you will reinsert some paras which are Authentic.Thanks. Oldestkshatriyas ( talk) 15:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Please see User talk:RHaworth#Punjab Education in 19 and 20th Century. Intothefire says he don't need your approval but please watch user:Intothefire/sandbox anyway. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 12:33, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
We have created a site for the Asansol community myasansol.in but whenever we add it to the wikipedia entry of asansol,its reverted by you.
You only have the AMC website there which provides no information about the site where as our site contains a lot of information about the city so i request you to please provide myasansol.in a place in the article . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elecy ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush,I had been away from Wiki last three months. I noticed that you made several edits in Kamma (caste) article. While most of the edits were well-meant, some could be traced to lack of information. I shall try to incorporate as many citations as possible. Similarly, you deleted almost all the names of persons in List of Kammas which astounded me. Probably you are not aware that Kammas do not have a common title such as "Reddy" in the name. Personalities such as N. T. Ramarao, A. Nageswara Rao and Ramoji Rao were also deleted. I hope you did these deletions because you might not be aware of them. Can you please suggest a way I can restore the names? Kumarrao ( talk) 15:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
User talk:Intothefire#March 2012 -- Boing! said Zebedee ( talk) 14:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I found that you have deleted content on grounds of "good faith" edits and i have restored old poor content. If you read the article completely, I have restored only part of it which had valid references and the other content was newly added by me. So don't just go on and delete content simply before reading it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswinjerry ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Where did u find this Pondheepankar?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aswinjerry ( talk • contribs) 21:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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I may start that article, so will like to know your opinion. SMS Talk 19:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hello Sitush!
I did not understand why did you revert the corrections done in the Sunar page. Please explain? Are there any Copyright issues I am not aware of? Please let me know then how the information can be added. Thanks Aaryan1982 ( talk) 04:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC) |
I do not have access to that particular volume of People of India but your content was a copy of information found in "People of India, A-G, Volume 4, p. 3345", as I noted in my edit summary, although you had adjusted the spellings of the various community names. I have no idea if Volume XXIII itself copied information previously published in Volume 4, although I do know that this is not uncommon.
There are only very limited circumstances in which we are permitted to copy something word-for-word from a book, newspaper, website etc and those do not apply to this 41-volume anthropological survey published from the mid-1980s onwards, unless you clearly show it to be a quotation - WP:Copyrights is our guide. Even changing the odd word is unacceptable because it would be close paraphrasing. Furthermore, even in those situations when a source is legally in the public domain, it is generally preferred that a contributor uses their own words.
I am aware that the People of India books themselves often use huge chunks of text originally written by people of the British Raj era, such as H. H. Risley and H. A. Rose, without clearly stating that they are doing so. I know also that some of the authors whom they use in that manner are now out of copyright. The poor sourcing by them is merely an indication of how poor that survey really was in general and has no real bearing on our own legal position: we are responsible for our own actions. As I understand it, the survey was split into two parts, with the earlier "national" survey being published by Oxford University Press and being considered ok, while the larger number of volumes in the second part - the "states" surveys - were published by the likes of Manohar/Popular Prakashan and are much less satisfactory.
In any event, I'd suggest that you have a read of the various items that are linked in blue above in order to get a better understanding of how we operate here. Feel free to get back in touch if you have any queries thereafter. - Sitush ( talk) 07:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello Sitush, I was referring to the same source which is "People of India: Haryana (Volume XXIII) edited by M.L Sharma and A.K Bhatia pages 475 to 479 Manohar Books" and it was already cited so I did not cited it again. The information added previously from the source was not summarized completely. Yes, but I got you that it needs to be written in own words. I thought the source is cited so the information can be exactly copied from the source. I would try to take care of this while I am adding content. Thanks Aaryan1982 ( talk) 17:33, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Sitush :-) Aaryan1982 ( talk) 18:49, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I have vague memories but according to your log, you suffered a block or two and then were discovered to have been sockpuppeting. I had seem to have had little involvement in any of the discussions, but quite a few administrators (or people who have since become admins) were involved. I was not aware of you being banned and cannot spot that anywhere. - Sitush ( talk) 16:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
deleted the barnstar as i have changed my mind now. Boolyme बूलीमी Chat बोलो!! 20:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for what happened last day. I have completed the work of providing citation along with a few additions by myself. Thanks. ( HasanKO ( talk) 07:47, 14 March 2012 (UTC))
Lovy Singhal ( talk) 08:28, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Found the book at my Uni's library. Will be able to get it but not til end of month. Let me know which pages you need. JanetteDoe ( talk) 18:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
I know that I'm not an experienced editor like you and not aware of all the policies, so thanks for the leaving a message. First of all, I didn't not know about the RfC thing, so I was adding Hindi Words and if its a general policy, then there are thousands or may be lakhs of articles which have the same issue. As far as citation on Murder of Jessica Lal is concerned, if you notice carefully the existing BBC reference didn't prove date of death i.e. 29 April, 1999 and it was mentioned on the one that I added, so please check. --Piyush Aggarwal 15:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piyush.Aggarwal ( talk • contribs)
Hi there, I tried to clear some of the article up and tried to add some citations but it seems on or two of my citations did not comply with wiki-policy, however can I kindly suggest you help me in cleaning up the article rather then keep re-reverting it when I am clearly working on it?
Kindest Regards, Rohan Mahali — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.133.46 ( talk) 16:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Kindest Regards, Rohan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.133.46 ( talk) 16:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Sir,
Thank you for noticing sanctions. No content is deleted or excess data is added in the article. You were also supposed to discuss your last reinstation of old content before reverting them. Pls make a talk before reverting.
Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας ( talk) 17:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/HindiUSA Have a look before I submitB.vikram.b 10:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.vikram.b ( talk • contribs)
I understand but this is mostly a volunteer org and not many media or web published articles. I am just an admirer of what thye have done in USA teaching Hindi to kids 36 schools. Not sure how to cover the outside reference aspect. Any suggestions.B.vikram.b 14:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.vikram.b ( talk • contribs)
Dear Sitush,
Please review the reverts at [ [13]] by Mr. Kumarrao. I have given ample time almost one and half year for providing reliable sources, but it was not the case, Mr Kumarrao always considers a Caste book as authenic History book :p. again a week back gave proper sources to clarify that its false claim. I have clarified the author that non english sources are not reliable. Request your help in calrifying the wiki policies. Indianprithvi ( talk) 05:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush. There's all kinds of badmashery going on at 2010 Deganga riots. I've tried ToI and The Hindu refs... Could you possibly have a look at the article and <S58 code-switches> do the needful? -- Shirt58 ( talk) 11:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 21:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sitush, have made a draft of the Kaul article in my Sandbox. Can you have a look and provide feedback. Have sourced from mostly recent publications. The article flow and language can be further improved, however am planning to start with minimal & sourced content that is readily accessible. Let me have your comments ... Ambar 16:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Sitush, I want you to have a clear picture of what looks to you like a bad situation. I began a DRN in a perfectly acceptable way, but apparently some people are not pleased with my original wording. Well, the editors in question are showing up and sticking in posts like pins in a cushion. We all know you post at the bottom of a thread. New posts beneath earlier ones. I politely went to each ed's pages and asked them politely to stop doing that. One accused me of wikihounding and trying to "frighten" him and God knows what ... the other simply acted confused. So that's it. There we are. Do you feel better now? Look, I am glad and appreciative that you came to the talk page, but you know ... unfair is unfair, and I occasionally feel some unfairness at WP. Even Floquenbeam acknowledged that he was being a little gruff sometimes. Just want you to know, I am being a good little boy and it seems if I speak up about something not quite right, I get spanked.— Djathink imacowboy 19:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 20:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
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I think you need this - I'll leave the whole pot for you if it helps :) Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 21:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC) |
What did I say? Did you think I meant malice when I said "I see that the fun in Wikipedia has eluded you. Best of luck to your endevaour, and once again I apologize for the DRN incident."? I can see eye-to-eye with you when you've gotten completely fed up with Wikipedia and just wanna give up, that's what I meant when I said, "I see that the fun in Wikipedia has eluded you." I've seen myself very upset with Wikipedia and I feel empathy for you. I just want to get disputes resolved and when someone's upset, it makes it worse when someone goes all in defensive mode, so I always apologize instead of escalating the situation by going defensive. I just wanted to make sure that everything was okay since you brought a complaint to my talk page. Conversations doesn't travel well over the Internet (a lot of it is in body language and tone of voice). I guess, I deserve the personal attack. Regards, Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 22:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
If you don't mind sharing, what was your subject faculty while at Cambridge? -- Secondat of Orange ( talk) 22:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Have reformatted the Kashmiri Pandit article to create a better flow and improve content, trying to make it more neutral. Can you take a look at it in my Sandbox page and leave some comments in my talk page pls.Ambar 06:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambar wiki ( talk • contribs)
Hi Sitush - Check the Caste system in India article and its talk page. Your guidance is appreciated. Thanks, ApostleVonColorado ( talk) 17:41, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
@ Sitush: Your comments "I have said it before: you are mixing up surnames and castes, which is wrong" & subsequent reverts ... would like to clarify that I have not linked caste to surname anywhere. I have clearly explained at the beginning of the article that the name Kaul is a surname and also a community (people who had Kaul as the surname of their ancestors)
If there is any specific sentence or issue that is still against the wiki policy, please let me know & I will modify it.-Ambar 03:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
How does your signature get linked to your talk page, it doesn't seem to be working for me.-Ambar 03:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding
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Regarding Kaul, just changing the lead section around does not alter the fundamental problem in the slightest. We have been through all of this on the article talk page, which is the correct forum for such discussions. Mind you, adding the caste infobox made matters even worse than they were when originally discussed.
I really do think that you should drop this whole idea or create a separate article - Kaul (surname) - that specifically deals with the use of the term as a surname in a global context and does not attempt to imply that it is purely caste-related. In particular, listing people with the Kaul surname cannot be linked to listing them as members of the Kaul caste/subcaste etc unless you have verification that they were of that caste or, if living, have self-identified. I really do not know how many more times I can repeat this and it is precisely why I cannot take on the role of mentoring you: for whatever the reason may be, I am quite obviously not capable of explaining this to you. A last point: you made your last edit to Kaul in defiance of warnings previously given to you. Do that again without first achieving consensus and you may well find yourself blocked from contributing to any article. - Sitush ( talk) 03:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
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In defence, I only put up the article after I thought we had consensus.Ambar 06:08, 21 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambar wiki ( talk • contribs)
Note for Sitush to help Ambar's signature issue: S., may I chime in and suggest Ambar wiki have a look at the html code that will have to be got, in order for the signature to link to the user and talk pages? Ambar is asking how to get the signature to link to user page, talk page and perhaps others such as Ambar's contributions. An html code will be needed for that.— Djathink imacowboy 13:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC) --Reply--