Hello Salvio giuliano, i need to inform you that User:88b88 and User:Newfiebangaa user accounts that you blocked 4 days ago are asking for administrator help on their user talk page. As CheckUser investigations are mostly accurate and correct, other Administrator's without CheckUser can't do anything in this. So should i close this request by replying or just revert both the user account's edits ? I also suspect that they can be the same person as admin help was requested within minutes on each account and User:Newfiebangaa telling on their user talk page (see this [1]) that they did they not do anything like User:88b88 really makes it more suspicious. Thanks. TheGeneralUser ( talk) 18:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Is it an Iban violation to edit content which had been removed by one of the editors imder the bam which had been reverted by a different editor? Darkness Shines ( talk) 00:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Further explaining: DS follows me to an article, blanks a section, PRODs it so that I could do nothing about it and then when he's reverted by another who followed through the same link probably, Vibhijain appears on five of the articles I edit in some way or the other opposing me [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] (not accusing of anything yet, but not seeing it as all clean and tidy either)... all I did was BRD revert assuming that the warning of hounding would mean that the violating the spirit of ban would not apply here when the first occurrence it self was such. I'd like to reinstate my edit if that justifies it. On a side note, I see a problem with the reports now that are being made (esp. last three). DS first reported me for having a user page that listed archive thread names which happened to have his name in the section titles as a vio (this was rejected as being construed as a vio on his part taking the definition to the breaking point), next out of the blue he reports me for the AFD which was fine just before and now this. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 22:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
@DS The IBAN allows both of you to report violations committed by the other, who, in turn, has to be allowed to respond to the allegations and since I also apply a "clean hands" policy, TG has to be allowed to reply that he felt hounded to the article, if that is the case. The other allegations, the ones regarding Vibhijain, are inappropriate it's true.
@TG please, when responding to a report regarding your actions, you can refer to DS's, but only insofar as they concern the same general event, broadly speaking — as I was saying, if you're accused of having edited content added by DS, you can reply that you felt hounded, so that your violations will not be sancioned; you may not throw in accusations of socking or meating which concern other articles or for which you have no evidence.
@Both, there needs to be a place where you can freely discuss your IBAN violations, it can be ANI or an administrator's talk page, and there you are granted a bit of leeway, because it's needed to insure that you both can defend themselves against any allegations. This is allowed and needs to be; what's not allowed and, for the future, will result in sanctions, is the "yes but he..." defense. If the other editor has violated his IBAN also, start another report, provided it does not appear retaliatory. Regarding the article, finally, I don't think DS's hand are dirty, in this case; the explanation as to how he got the article he provided is reasonable and though I myself said his actions were unwise, they are not egregious enough in my opinion to excuse a violation on your part. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:18, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
First, thanks for the note of support on Badmachine...unfortunately, I felt I had no choice but to back away. No, run away. At the moment, I'm not blocking anyone, because I don't 1) trust myself to make good choices, and 2) don't know if I want to deal with the hassle of off-wiki problems. It doesn't help the community if I undo my own blocks just because of my own off-wiki stress.
That being said...I have to ask about two ranges, because User: Guerrilla of the Renmin asked me about trying to stop a serial problem editor. The editor is basically added unsourced material to a large number of articles on Chinese cities; these edits are always unsourced, and usually more fitting to a travel brochure than an encyclopedia. GotR thinks the user is a sock of User:Loveshirley for behavioral reasons. Of course, CU won't connect IP's to a named account, so the SPI didn't get anywhere. However, all of the IP edits, save one, seem to fall within two ranges: 14.214.64.0/19, and 27.36.112.0/20. Since this isn't vandalism or anything really terrible, I don't want to throw down rangeblocks without first finding out if there will be collateral damage. Could you look at the activity on those ranges and see if it looks like any legitimate editors operating there? I hesitate to lift my temporary hold on blocking so soon...but since this probably (behaviorally speaking) just enforcing a block that's already in place, I guess I can do it. Qwyrxian ( talk) 10:32, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you, Salvio giuliano, for your feedback and questions at my RFA. I plan on being careful with CSDs, thanks in part to your feedback. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 14:06, 3 June 2012 (UTC) |
Dear Salvio, I asked RegentsPark to have a look at the editing behavior of a well-known SPA as he was the one to deal with it in the past. The SPA has now gotten back to following people around. RP asked me to get your take on it, which I too would welcome. Please read here if you have the time. :) Thanks. JCAla ( talk) 16:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
If I make an edit to a page [9], and another uninvolved user under 1RR comes out of somewhere to revert me [10].. would reverting that break 1RR? Since I have not reverted that user before, does reverting for the first time come under 1RR restriction? Since 1RR means more than one revert. I am asking this in regards to this. Also, I think that there is some gaming the system going on under the disguise of the 1RR excuse. Mar4d ( talk) 17:01, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, could there be a connection with the topic banned Chauhan1192 and 49.138.249.113. I am seeing yet more unsourced puffery etc regarding Gurjar connections, but you may think otherwise. - Sitush ( talk) 23:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Yesterday I conducted this edit per the sources (Stanford University Press, et al) after waiting for more than a month (!) for an answer including reliable sources from TopGun to this talk page discussion. Neither did he reply on the talk page nor did he elaborate on the Balochistan conflict article and his specific objections during the mediation. After I conducted the edit, Darkness Shines, Mar4d, SMS and me all edited the article in a major manner without the usual bickering going on (at least mostly, but what happened remained minor) ;). None questioned the edit. Then came TopGun with the usual language. He is the only one who repeatedly removes reliably sourced content without providing any sources to back up any position he might hold with regards to the issue. He has reverted to an unsourced statement which is in contradiction to and falsifying the reliable sources that were provided in the version he removed. [11] With all due respect, that constitutes disruptive editing. I think he should be asked to self-rv as long as he fails to present a reliable source which would contradict the reliable source that was provided and that he removed. JCAla ( talk) 07:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
This discussion is already going on here. Salvio Let's talk about it! 20:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
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Hello. I have picked you at random from the list of people who handle Revision Deletion. I want part of the revision attributed to me at 15:50 3 June 2012 to be deleted. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenian_Genocide&diff=next&oldid=495393920 My account has been hacked by opponents (See Armenian Genocide Talk page). I wish the changes attributed to me at line 37 on the right hand side of the page to be deleted. The only change I made on the date and time in question was at line 89 on the same side of the page, and this should definitely be retained. Please advise me how to proceed. Thank you. Diranakir ( talk) 18:16, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Salvio: I believe I was hacked. I got nowhere near the passage in question when I made my revision. This because it was the subject of a very hot dispute which needed a cooling down period and I stayed away from it very carefully and deliberately. But that aside, how do I accomplish self-revert and does it result in the article simply reverting to its just previous version? Thank you. 67.169.127.31 ( talk) 19:50, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Salvio: I do not see the editor's deletion you refer to above. Everything looks the same. The revisions show me deleting sentences from the previous version which I did not do. See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenian_Genocide&diff=prev&oldid=495787044 I want to delete the revision under my name on the right side of the page. I don't find the blue button on the page. Please advise. Diranakir ( talk) 20:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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I mentioned you here Wnt ( talk) 21:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
If I get blocked by Magog for reverting an obvious sock I fully expect you to step in and stop his abuse given I self reverted. Darkness Shines ( talk),
You have been mentioned at ANI here. - Sitush ( talk) 22:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Salvio Giuliano, Thanks for letting me know about the topic ban. I respect your decision. However, I was not the only one involved in the conflict. This conflict began because a citation was deliberately tampered with by User:Ashley thomas80 way back on 14th dec 2011 [14] and it went unnoticed. I wonder why only I am banned when the citation over which much of the conflict happened was tampered by User:Ashley thomas80. The discussion went on even just few hours back between User:cuchullain and User:Ashley thomas80 [15]. Do look into that and please try to reconsider this ban or please try to reduce it. If not anyway I respect your decision. You were fair to me the first time. I did not intend to be disruptive. If my actions seemed so then I apologize for it. P.S. does this ban mean I cannot even participate in discussions on the talk page. Jut wondered whether editing ban meant even ban from discussions. I wish I had detected the deliberate deletion of the citation. It was rather late when it was brought to notice. This conflict and this situation may not have happened. Anyway, thanks and best regards Robin klein ( talk) 02:45, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Salvio, sono un perfetto "asino" nel redirecting (penso che anche il "renaming" segua le stesse regole/stringhe di codice). Comunque, a parte il fatto che al momento non ho un'idea minima su come "richiamarmi", quando scelsi il nickname, quasi 5 anni fa, credo che le regole fossero più rilassate qui sulla Wiki riguardo i nomi, infatti tu sei il primo a farmi notare la probabile inadeguatezza del mio nick in tutto questo tempo (pur con la presenza nella en.wiki di parecchi utenti italiani o parlanti altre lingue romanze che altresì possono cogliere il significato della parola in questione). Credo che qui sulla wiki sia presente una regola chiamata "clausola del nonno" che permette delle eccezioni a chi ha un nick che magari non rispetta a pieno la policy wikipediana, in quanto il nick è stato creato precedentemente alla modifica delle regole. Ah, ed inoltre merda è black american slang per murder, anche se ovviamente non andrei mai a fare strage di cozzari solo perché mi stanno sul coso :P . Ecco, Olbia_murder potrebbe andar bene :-))) .-- Olbia merda ( talk) 14:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
You got mail Darkness Shines ( talk) 13:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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You topic banned Vyasan in May - see this - but they are still contributing at Talk:Nair, as recently as today. - Sitush ( talk) 16:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
-- lTopGunl ( talk) 23:03, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Please see User talk:Drmies#Awkward BLP query - Sitush ( talk) 11:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello Salvio giuliano, i need to inform you that User:88b88 and User:Newfiebangaa user accounts that you blocked 4 days ago are asking for administrator help on their user talk page. As CheckUser investigations are mostly accurate and correct, other Administrator's without CheckUser can't do anything in this. So should i close this request by replying or just revert both the user account's edits ? I also suspect that they can be the same person as admin help was requested within minutes on each account and User:Newfiebangaa telling on their user talk page (see this [1]) that they did they not do anything like User:88b88 really makes it more suspicious. Thanks. TheGeneralUser ( talk) 18:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Is it an Iban violation to edit content which had been removed by one of the editors imder the bam which had been reverted by a different editor? Darkness Shines ( talk) 00:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Further explaining: DS follows me to an article, blanks a section, PRODs it so that I could do nothing about it and then when he's reverted by another who followed through the same link probably, Vibhijain appears on five of the articles I edit in some way or the other opposing me [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] (not accusing of anything yet, but not seeing it as all clean and tidy either)... all I did was BRD revert assuming that the warning of hounding would mean that the violating the spirit of ban would not apply here when the first occurrence it self was such. I'd like to reinstate my edit if that justifies it. On a side note, I see a problem with the reports now that are being made (esp. last three). DS first reported me for having a user page that listed archive thread names which happened to have his name in the section titles as a vio (this was rejected as being construed as a vio on his part taking the definition to the breaking point), next out of the blue he reports me for the AFD which was fine just before and now this. -- lTopGunl ( talk) 22:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
@DS The IBAN allows both of you to report violations committed by the other, who, in turn, has to be allowed to respond to the allegations and since I also apply a "clean hands" policy, TG has to be allowed to reply that he felt hounded to the article, if that is the case. The other allegations, the ones regarding Vibhijain, are inappropriate it's true.
@TG please, when responding to a report regarding your actions, you can refer to DS's, but only insofar as they concern the same general event, broadly speaking — as I was saying, if you're accused of having edited content added by DS, you can reply that you felt hounded, so that your violations will not be sancioned; you may not throw in accusations of socking or meating which concern other articles or for which you have no evidence.
@Both, there needs to be a place where you can freely discuss your IBAN violations, it can be ANI or an administrator's talk page, and there you are granted a bit of leeway, because it's needed to insure that you both can defend themselves against any allegations. This is allowed and needs to be; what's not allowed and, for the future, will result in sanctions, is the "yes but he..." defense. If the other editor has violated his IBAN also, start another report, provided it does not appear retaliatory. Regarding the article, finally, I don't think DS's hand are dirty, in this case; the explanation as to how he got the article he provided is reasonable and though I myself said his actions were unwise, they are not egregious enough in my opinion to excuse a violation on your part. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:18, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
First, thanks for the note of support on Badmachine...unfortunately, I felt I had no choice but to back away. No, run away. At the moment, I'm not blocking anyone, because I don't 1) trust myself to make good choices, and 2) don't know if I want to deal with the hassle of off-wiki problems. It doesn't help the community if I undo my own blocks just because of my own off-wiki stress.
That being said...I have to ask about two ranges, because User: Guerrilla of the Renmin asked me about trying to stop a serial problem editor. The editor is basically added unsourced material to a large number of articles on Chinese cities; these edits are always unsourced, and usually more fitting to a travel brochure than an encyclopedia. GotR thinks the user is a sock of User:Loveshirley for behavioral reasons. Of course, CU won't connect IP's to a named account, so the SPI didn't get anywhere. However, all of the IP edits, save one, seem to fall within two ranges: 14.214.64.0/19, and 27.36.112.0/20. Since this isn't vandalism or anything really terrible, I don't want to throw down rangeblocks without first finding out if there will be collateral damage. Could you look at the activity on those ranges and see if it looks like any legitimate editors operating there? I hesitate to lift my temporary hold on blocking so soon...but since this probably (behaviorally speaking) just enforcing a block that's already in place, I guess I can do it. Qwyrxian ( talk) 10:32, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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at my successful RFA |
Thank you, Salvio giuliano, for your feedback and questions at my RFA. I plan on being careful with CSDs, thanks in part to your feedback. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 14:06, 3 June 2012 (UTC) |
Dear Salvio, I asked RegentsPark to have a look at the editing behavior of a well-known SPA as he was the one to deal with it in the past. The SPA has now gotten back to following people around. RP asked me to get your take on it, which I too would welcome. Please read here if you have the time. :) Thanks. JCAla ( talk) 16:29, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
If I make an edit to a page [9], and another uninvolved user under 1RR comes out of somewhere to revert me [10].. would reverting that break 1RR? Since I have not reverted that user before, does reverting for the first time come under 1RR restriction? Since 1RR means more than one revert. I am asking this in regards to this. Also, I think that there is some gaming the system going on under the disguise of the 1RR excuse. Mar4d ( talk) 17:01, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi, could there be a connection with the topic banned Chauhan1192 and 49.138.249.113. I am seeing yet more unsourced puffery etc regarding Gurjar connections, but you may think otherwise. - Sitush ( talk) 23:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Yesterday I conducted this edit per the sources (Stanford University Press, et al) after waiting for more than a month (!) for an answer including reliable sources from TopGun to this talk page discussion. Neither did he reply on the talk page nor did he elaborate on the Balochistan conflict article and his specific objections during the mediation. After I conducted the edit, Darkness Shines, Mar4d, SMS and me all edited the article in a major manner without the usual bickering going on (at least mostly, but what happened remained minor) ;). None questioned the edit. Then came TopGun with the usual language. He is the only one who repeatedly removes reliably sourced content without providing any sources to back up any position he might hold with regards to the issue. He has reverted to an unsourced statement which is in contradiction to and falsifying the reliable sources that were provided in the version he removed. [11] With all due respect, that constitutes disruptive editing. I think he should be asked to self-rv as long as he fails to present a reliable source which would contradict the reliable source that was provided and that he removed. JCAla ( talk) 07:33, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
This discussion is already going on here. Salvio Let's talk about it! 20:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC) |
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Hello. I have picked you at random from the list of people who handle Revision Deletion. I want part of the revision attributed to me at 15:50 3 June 2012 to be deleted. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenian_Genocide&diff=next&oldid=495393920 My account has been hacked by opponents (See Armenian Genocide Talk page). I wish the changes attributed to me at line 37 on the right hand side of the page to be deleted. The only change I made on the date and time in question was at line 89 on the same side of the page, and this should definitely be retained. Please advise me how to proceed. Thank you. Diranakir ( talk) 18:16, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Salvio: I believe I was hacked. I got nowhere near the passage in question when I made my revision. This because it was the subject of a very hot dispute which needed a cooling down period and I stayed away from it very carefully and deliberately. But that aside, how do I accomplish self-revert and does it result in the article simply reverting to its just previous version? Thank you. 67.169.127.31 ( talk) 19:50, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
Salvio: I do not see the editor's deletion you refer to above. Everything looks the same. The revisions show me deleting sentences from the previous version which I did not do. See https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenian_Genocide&diff=prev&oldid=495787044 I want to delete the revision under my name on the right side of the page. I don't find the blue button on the page. Please advise. Diranakir ( talk) 20:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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I mentioned you here Wnt ( talk) 21:38, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
If I get blocked by Magog for reverting an obvious sock I fully expect you to step in and stop his abuse given I self reverted. Darkness Shines ( talk),
You have been mentioned at ANI here. - Sitush ( talk) 22:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Salvio Giuliano, Thanks for letting me know about the topic ban. I respect your decision. However, I was not the only one involved in the conflict. This conflict began because a citation was deliberately tampered with by User:Ashley thomas80 way back on 14th dec 2011 [14] and it went unnoticed. I wonder why only I am banned when the citation over which much of the conflict happened was tampered by User:Ashley thomas80. The discussion went on even just few hours back between User:cuchullain and User:Ashley thomas80 [15]. Do look into that and please try to reconsider this ban or please try to reduce it. If not anyway I respect your decision. You were fair to me the first time. I did not intend to be disruptive. If my actions seemed so then I apologize for it. P.S. does this ban mean I cannot even participate in discussions on the talk page. Jut wondered whether editing ban meant even ban from discussions. I wish I had detected the deliberate deletion of the citation. It was rather late when it was brought to notice. This conflict and this situation may not have happened. Anyway, thanks and best regards Robin klein ( talk) 02:45, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Salvio, sono un perfetto "asino" nel redirecting (penso che anche il "renaming" segua le stesse regole/stringhe di codice). Comunque, a parte il fatto che al momento non ho un'idea minima su come "richiamarmi", quando scelsi il nickname, quasi 5 anni fa, credo che le regole fossero più rilassate qui sulla Wiki riguardo i nomi, infatti tu sei il primo a farmi notare la probabile inadeguatezza del mio nick in tutto questo tempo (pur con la presenza nella en.wiki di parecchi utenti italiani o parlanti altre lingue romanze che altresì possono cogliere il significato della parola in questione). Credo che qui sulla wiki sia presente una regola chiamata "clausola del nonno" che permette delle eccezioni a chi ha un nick che magari non rispetta a pieno la policy wikipediana, in quanto il nick è stato creato precedentemente alla modifica delle regole. Ah, ed inoltre merda è black american slang per murder, anche se ovviamente non andrei mai a fare strage di cozzari solo perché mi stanno sul coso :P . Ecco, Olbia_murder potrebbe andar bene :-))) .-- Olbia merda ( talk) 14:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
You got mail Darkness Shines ( talk) 13:56, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Greetings! You have been randomly selected to receive an invitation to participate in the request for comment on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Should you wish to respond to the invitation, your contribution to this discussion will be very much appreciated! If in doubt, please see suggestions for responding. If you do not wish to receive these types of notices, please remove your name from Wikipedia:Feedback request service. — RFC bot ( talk) 07:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
You topic banned Vyasan in May - see this - but they are still contributing at Talk:Nair, as recently as today. - Sitush ( talk) 16:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
-- lTopGunl ( talk) 23:03, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Please see User talk:Drmies#Awkward BLP query - Sitush ( talk) 11:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)