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It appears QG has tried to make my request his own. I opened the section and did not include you in it S Marshall. It was simply my request to add evidence to the case about him. AlbinoFerret 00:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
According to this I put my request on the wrong page. It cannot be sorted out at the request for clarification page. QuackGuru ( talk) 22:31, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I forgot how long you had been around. Nonetheless: [4] and [5]. Note in particular the top talk pages:
Personally I've spent a lot of my editing time in quiet backwaters of the encyclopaedia building articles about rural England and its history, which aren't contentious as long as you steer clear of the wars that involved America. I've spent a lot of my Wikipedia time at Deletion Review, which taught me a lot about the flaws and foibles of our admin corps... and I've closed about seventy RfCs, including some right corkers which taught me a lot about how we solve content disputes.— S Marshall T/ C 21:17, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#S Marshall. Thanks, QuackGuru ( talk) 02:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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The request for arbitration has been withdrawn by its filer, QuackGuru. For the Arbitration Committee, Mini apolis 20:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I feel bad that you had to justify your uninvolvement in your recent close. I apologize if my behavior in that RFC lead to that at all. There is one caveat to this conversation that was not answered in your close that I would like to see if it's possible to address. While a source can be provided, pending the end of page protection, that Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 136 states [6], but does acknowledging this recognition create a false balance per WP:GEVAL of the NPOV policy? -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 16:36, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I feel that that source is reliable, appropriate, and NPOV for a statement to the effect that the Vatican feels that areas of the State of Palestine are unlawfully occupied by Israel. By itself, I don't feel that that source is sufficient to say that the State of Palestine is occupied by Israel in Wikipedia's voice -- I think you'd need more. Hope this helps and all the best— S Marshall T/ C 16:48, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
You stated "Unreliable medical source", my arse. [7], but the study is not a WP:MEDRS review or WP:SECONDARY source. [8] QuackGuru ( talk) 23:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
If you don't mind, could you un-archive and simply collapse the thread? One would need to read it when starting a new discussion "based on the wording that was being developed" :) Thanks, --TMCk ( talk) 14:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for the snark ... I hope you accept my apology. I thought you were lazy and not reading the biography, I wasn't aware you couldn't access it. Being snarky is only fun if it is deserved, and it wasn't deserved here. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 03:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC) I transcribed it for you here
S Marshall, as someone with a lot of experience at DRV, I thought you would be interested to know that the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion explicitly recognizes "Delete then Redirect", stating "Redirect is a recommendation to keep the article's history but to blank the content and replace it with a redirect. Users who want to see the article's history destroyed should explicitly recommend Delete then Redirect." The Guide has incorporated such guidance regarding "Delete then Redirect" since September 2005; before that, it previously included the concept of "Delete and then re-create as Redirect". Anyone who is suggesting that "Delete and redirect" !votes and outcomes are either improper or unheard does not know our well-established AfD procedures. Moreover, anyone who suggests that there is a built-in policy preference for keeping and/or restoring article history after a consensus "delete" or "delete and redirect" AfD outcome needs to do some more reading; nowhere in either WP:Deletion policy or WP:Editing policy is such a preference for the preservation of article history (as opposed to article content -- not the same thing) actually stated. The Guide to Deletion recognizes the distinction recognizes the distinction between history and content, and the validity of an !vote to delete the history, and has done so for over 10 years. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 07:07, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
DRV is very averse to purging an article's history and then re-introducing similar content without attributing the original authors. We definitely don't like it when the similar content represents a close paraphrase of the original work, and Cunard is rightly scrupulous about this. Defining what is, and is not, a close paraphrase is a specialist area of copyright law and non-experts would be wise to take a very cautious view on it.
There's other context here too, about personalities. I like to think I get on well with both Cunard and Spartaz, and I'm sometimes uncomfortable because my two friends have an unfortunate tendency to clash with each other on occasion. Cunard works diligently to source content, scrupulously follows procedure, and his appearance in any deletion discussion usually heralds the appearance of a long list of carefully-cited sources to consider. He is not often found in the "delete" camp (and when he is, it means the content is urgently and desperately in need of removal). Spartaz, on the other hand, often steps up to do the heavy lifting and take out the trash. He's frequently to be found closing long, nuanced discussions where there are a lot of different factors to weigh. He is concise to the point of terseness, willing to remove problem content (and problem editors), and has little patience with needless words. This sometimes means there's friction between them and the encyclopaedia needs them both... and when Spartaz and Cunard disagree, I've observed that they're usually both coming from a defensible position. DRVs between those two editors are the art of finding the third way.— S Marshall T/ C 18:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
redirecting in preference to deletion isn't a "novel interpretation", it's policy, aren't you?— S Marshall T/ C 18:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed the close you did last week. The RfC template sorta disappeared, and the discussion petered out (long before I did). I had never initiated an RfC, so I didn't know what a close looked like, or if there was a close if there was clearly no consensus. (I've been editing off & on since 2009, and I still feel like a noob sometimes.)
I want to thank you, most of all for reading that novel we all spent a month writing (especially me). Your closing comments were very thoughtful too. It seemed clear early on that the case I advocated would not win consensus, so no arguments there. But I appreciate your validation of both sides. I was surprised at how strongly some people opposed it - not that they opposed it, but the edge in some of the comments. (I think that goes back to the article's talk page. I think we all toned things down for the RfC on W2W.) But like a skilled diplomat you found quite a bit of merit to both sides. I am very happy with that. We are on the record, and the way you closed it left the door open for us to revisit the issue some time in the future, if things change.
I just wanted you to know that I realize that was a very time-consuming undertaking, and I very much appreciate your closing comments. Thank you! Dcs002 ( talk) 09:45, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
I am thinking the article is going to be a keep. But at this point there is really nothing I can do, like withdraw to stop the deletion discussion, because there has been a substantial discussion. I think your idea has merit and is a good solution to an article that really shouldnt exist imho with whats there. Moving the economics stuff to it would be a good fit. I guess we will just have to wait for the deletion discussion to close before bringing up the discussion of moving on the talk page. AlbinoFerret 00:25, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
I have opened a section on Mystery wolff at WP:AE here is a link [9] since you have been involved in the discussions I felt it was appropriate to notify you. AlbinoFerret 18:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the mention and kind words at WP:Deletion review/Log/2015 November 30 ( diff). Flatscan ( talk) 05:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Insulting other editors such as you did here [10] is not appropriate Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 11:16, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Worse: by removing tags from appropriately-tagged content, you mislead readers into thinking that Wikipedia is more reliable than it is. Wikipedia is dangerous to read when it has lots of academic-style little references on assertions made in a seemingly scholarly style. Tags remind readers who writes Wikipedia. If I had my way the disclaimer that's linked from every page would be in big flashing red text as well.
So I'm not advocating letting your side win because I think you're right. I think you're 100% wrong; I just think that given the outcome of so many recent discussions it's my turn to make a concession.— S Marshall T/ C 11:48, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
You removed my prod from Gilbert Lévy, citing a DRV, but that DRV is about a different article on a different person—without the acute accent—which was created by a sockpuppet of indeffed User:Alex LevyOne (see Sockpuppet investigations/AlexLevyOne or, if it has been archived, the bottom entry in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AlexLevyOne/Archive). Gilbert Levy has now been reverted to being a redirect to Gilbert Lévy, and the sock blocked, as a result of the SPI. I suppose I can't legitimately revert your deprodding, but perhaps you will do so. Otherwise, I'll just take it to AfD. Deor ( talk) 22:21, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi _S_Marshall, this is a notification that an amendment request pertaining to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles has been archived with no action. You can now find it here. For the arbitration committee, Kharkiv07 ( T) 03:15, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Good morning. Your AfD nomination states: "Biography of a living person about which next to nothing is known: we have an initial and a surname, and the fact that he played in a certain cricket match. Previously deleted at AfD here, previous deletion review is here. This article has been re-created with new text and one additional source. In view of the very recent history I feel it's appropriate to discuss this at AfD". Although I as creator of the new version obviously want it to be retained, I think your nomination comment is fair enough, though I have serious problems with two of your "supporters" (assuming they do support you because they actually contradict you).
I think it is only fair to advise you (sorry if you are already aware) that there is a real possibility of additional information being introduced, including the player's full name. This is currently subject to verification by the subject expert who is on holiday until tonight, so it may be a few more days before the information is confirmed. Can you please give some thought as to how you would view the article if we do get the guy's full name and perhaps his date of birth, his bowling action, etc.? I already have an assurance, still unconfirmed of course, that the two S. Pereras are different people; this is one thing that some people in the original AfD got really hung up on for whatever reason. The matter is being discussed at WT:CRIC for now.
If my contact does come back with confirmed data, I will let you know. Thanks. Jack | talk page 11:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Good afternoon. I have just received a reply from my contact in the ACS who has confirmed that the player is called Suresh Perera and that he was an off break bowler born in 1970. I am surprised to learn that he IS after all "two players" because he played for two clubs either side of a seven-year break. We had two articles and the other two sources both have dual entries for him. I've updated the article with the new information and included an explanation about the dual sourcing elsewhere (this has happened before, I should point out, and it is because the two websites rely almost entirely on scorecard data). The article should be moved to Suresh Perera (cricketer, born 1970 as there is another Suresh Perera, who played in Tests for Sri Lanka, but I will not move it while there is an AfD ongoing. Could you please take a look and see what you think? Thanks again. Jack | talk page 17:03, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Electronic cigarette. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that
Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.. You previously made this change. See Talk:Electronic cigarette/Archive 23#Removal. Now you have made a similar change months later and you made this revert. QuackGuru ( talk) 22:05, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
You are involved in a recently-filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at
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Thanks, QuackGuru ( talk) 22:58, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
It appears QG has tried to make my request his own. I opened the section and did not include you in it S Marshall. It was simply my request to add evidence to the case about him. AlbinoFerret 00:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
According to this I put my request on the wrong page. It cannot be sorted out at the request for clarification page. QuackGuru ( talk) 22:31, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I forgot how long you had been around. Nonetheless: [4] and [5]. Note in particular the top talk pages:
Personally I've spent a lot of my editing time in quiet backwaters of the encyclopaedia building articles about rural England and its history, which aren't contentious as long as you steer clear of the wars that involved America. I've spent a lot of my Wikipedia time at Deletion Review, which taught me a lot about the flaws and foibles of our admin corps... and I've closed about seventy RfCs, including some right corkers which taught me a lot about how we solve content disputes.— S Marshall T/ C 21:17, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at
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22:00, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#S Marshall. Thanks, QuackGuru ( talk) 02:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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The request for arbitration has been withdrawn by its filer, QuackGuru. For the Arbitration Committee, Mini apolis 20:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
I feel bad that you had to justify your uninvolvement in your recent close. I apologize if my behavior in that RFC lead to that at all. There is one caveat to this conversation that was not answered in your close that I would like to see if it's possible to address. While a source can be provided, pending the end of page protection, that Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 136 states [6], but does acknowledging this recognition create a false balance per WP:GEVAL of the NPOV policy? -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 16:36, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I feel that that source is reliable, appropriate, and NPOV for a statement to the effect that the Vatican feels that areas of the State of Palestine are unlawfully occupied by Israel. By itself, I don't feel that that source is sufficient to say that the State of Palestine is occupied by Israel in Wikipedia's voice -- I think you'd need more. Hope this helps and all the best— S Marshall T/ C 16:48, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
You stated "Unreliable medical source", my arse. [7], but the study is not a WP:MEDRS review or WP:SECONDARY source. [8] QuackGuru ( talk) 23:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
If you don't mind, could you un-archive and simply collapse the thread? One would need to read it when starting a new discussion "based on the wording that was being developed" :) Thanks, --TMCk ( talk) 14:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry for the snark ... I hope you accept my apology. I thought you were lazy and not reading the biography, I wasn't aware you couldn't access it. Being snarky is only fun if it is deserved, and it wasn't deserved here. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 03:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC) I transcribed it for you here
S Marshall, as someone with a lot of experience at DRV, I thought you would be interested to know that the Wikipedia:Guide to deletion explicitly recognizes "Delete then Redirect", stating "Redirect is a recommendation to keep the article's history but to blank the content and replace it with a redirect. Users who want to see the article's history destroyed should explicitly recommend Delete then Redirect." The Guide has incorporated such guidance regarding "Delete then Redirect" since September 2005; before that, it previously included the concept of "Delete and then re-create as Redirect". Anyone who is suggesting that "Delete and redirect" !votes and outcomes are either improper or unheard does not know our well-established AfD procedures. Moreover, anyone who suggests that there is a built-in policy preference for keeping and/or restoring article history after a consensus "delete" or "delete and redirect" AfD outcome needs to do some more reading; nowhere in either WP:Deletion policy or WP:Editing policy is such a preference for the preservation of article history (as opposed to article content -- not the same thing) actually stated. The Guide to Deletion recognizes the distinction recognizes the distinction between history and content, and the validity of an !vote to delete the history, and has done so for over 10 years. Dirtlawyer1 ( talk) 07:07, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
DRV is very averse to purging an article's history and then re-introducing similar content without attributing the original authors. We definitely don't like it when the similar content represents a close paraphrase of the original work, and Cunard is rightly scrupulous about this. Defining what is, and is not, a close paraphrase is a specialist area of copyright law and non-experts would be wise to take a very cautious view on it.
There's other context here too, about personalities. I like to think I get on well with both Cunard and Spartaz, and I'm sometimes uncomfortable because my two friends have an unfortunate tendency to clash with each other on occasion. Cunard works diligently to source content, scrupulously follows procedure, and his appearance in any deletion discussion usually heralds the appearance of a long list of carefully-cited sources to consider. He is not often found in the "delete" camp (and when he is, it means the content is urgently and desperately in need of removal). Spartaz, on the other hand, often steps up to do the heavy lifting and take out the trash. He's frequently to be found closing long, nuanced discussions where there are a lot of different factors to weigh. He is concise to the point of terseness, willing to remove problem content (and problem editors), and has little patience with needless words. This sometimes means there's friction between them and the encyclopaedia needs them both... and when Spartaz and Cunard disagree, I've observed that they're usually both coming from a defensible position. DRVs between those two editors are the art of finding the third way.— S Marshall T/ C 18:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
redirecting in preference to deletion isn't a "novel interpretation", it's policy, aren't you?— S Marshall T/ C 18:47, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed the close you did last week. The RfC template sorta disappeared, and the discussion petered out (long before I did). I had never initiated an RfC, so I didn't know what a close looked like, or if there was a close if there was clearly no consensus. (I've been editing off & on since 2009, and I still feel like a noob sometimes.)
I want to thank you, most of all for reading that novel we all spent a month writing (especially me). Your closing comments were very thoughtful too. It seemed clear early on that the case I advocated would not win consensus, so no arguments there. But I appreciate your validation of both sides. I was surprised at how strongly some people opposed it - not that they opposed it, but the edge in some of the comments. (I think that goes back to the article's talk page. I think we all toned things down for the RfC on W2W.) But like a skilled diplomat you found quite a bit of merit to both sides. I am very happy with that. We are on the record, and the way you closed it left the door open for us to revisit the issue some time in the future, if things change.
I just wanted you to know that I realize that was a very time-consuming undertaking, and I very much appreciate your closing comments. Thank you! Dcs002 ( talk) 09:45, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
I am thinking the article is going to be a keep. But at this point there is really nothing I can do, like withdraw to stop the deletion discussion, because there has been a substantial discussion. I think your idea has merit and is a good solution to an article that really shouldnt exist imho with whats there. Moving the economics stuff to it would be a good fit. I guess we will just have to wait for the deletion discussion to close before bringing up the discussion of moving on the talk page. AlbinoFerret 00:25, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
I have opened a section on Mystery wolff at WP:AE here is a link [9] since you have been involved in the discussions I felt it was appropriate to notify you. AlbinoFerret 18:32, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the mention and kind words at WP:Deletion review/Log/2015 November 30 ( diff). Flatscan ( talk) 05:49, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Insulting other editors such as you did here [10] is not appropriate Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 11:16, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
Worse: by removing tags from appropriately-tagged content, you mislead readers into thinking that Wikipedia is more reliable than it is. Wikipedia is dangerous to read when it has lots of academic-style little references on assertions made in a seemingly scholarly style. Tags remind readers who writes Wikipedia. If I had my way the disclaimer that's linked from every page would be in big flashing red text as well.
So I'm not advocating letting your side win because I think you're right. I think you're 100% wrong; I just think that given the outcome of so many recent discussions it's my turn to make a concession.— S Marshall T/ C 11:48, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
You removed my prod from Gilbert Lévy, citing a DRV, but that DRV is about a different article on a different person—without the acute accent—which was created by a sockpuppet of indeffed User:Alex LevyOne (see Sockpuppet investigations/AlexLevyOne or, if it has been archived, the bottom entry in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AlexLevyOne/Archive). Gilbert Levy has now been reverted to being a redirect to Gilbert Lévy, and the sock blocked, as a result of the SPI. I suppose I can't legitimately revert your deprodding, but perhaps you will do so. Otherwise, I'll just take it to AfD. Deor ( talk) 22:21, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi _S_Marshall, this is a notification that an amendment request pertaining to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles has been archived with no action. You can now find it here. For the arbitration committee, Kharkiv07 ( T) 03:15, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Good morning. Your AfD nomination states: "Biography of a living person about which next to nothing is known: we have an initial and a surname, and the fact that he played in a certain cricket match. Previously deleted at AfD here, previous deletion review is here. This article has been re-created with new text and one additional source. In view of the very recent history I feel it's appropriate to discuss this at AfD". Although I as creator of the new version obviously want it to be retained, I think your nomination comment is fair enough, though I have serious problems with two of your "supporters" (assuming they do support you because they actually contradict you).
I think it is only fair to advise you (sorry if you are already aware) that there is a real possibility of additional information being introduced, including the player's full name. This is currently subject to verification by the subject expert who is on holiday until tonight, so it may be a few more days before the information is confirmed. Can you please give some thought as to how you would view the article if we do get the guy's full name and perhaps his date of birth, his bowling action, etc.? I already have an assurance, still unconfirmed of course, that the two S. Pereras are different people; this is one thing that some people in the original AfD got really hung up on for whatever reason. The matter is being discussed at WT:CRIC for now.
If my contact does come back with confirmed data, I will let you know. Thanks. Jack | talk page 11:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
Good afternoon. I have just received a reply from my contact in the ACS who has confirmed that the player is called Suresh Perera and that he was an off break bowler born in 1970. I am surprised to learn that he IS after all "two players" because he played for two clubs either side of a seven-year break. We had two articles and the other two sources both have dual entries for him. I've updated the article with the new information and included an explanation about the dual sourcing elsewhere (this has happened before, I should point out, and it is because the two websites rely almost entirely on scorecard data). The article should be moved to Suresh Perera (cricketer, born 1970 as there is another Suresh Perera, who played in Tests for Sri Lanka, but I will not move it while there is an AfD ongoing. Could you please take a look and see what you think? Thanks again. Jack | talk page 17:03, 20 December 2015 (UTC)