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Right then, shall we tell them about the time that you came round to my place when I was 21 and you were 16, we got you pissed on cheap vodka and cider, we told you my flatmate's epilepsy tablets were Es and you believed us. We laughed about that for ... quite some time. (note to talk page stalkers, this really happened) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Do you mind taking a look at this page. The new article is a dupe article that says that the college is closing - and so this could be misleading for people looking for info about this college. I added the hoax tag. Could you delete this article if you agree?– CaroleHenson ( talk) 21:40, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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08:25, 3 April 2017 Ritchie333 (talk | contribs) deleted page User:Theelord (U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host) Why did you do this? I was working on an assignment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theelord ( talk • contribs)
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Reviewing it the first revision (just a header) is the only one clear of Copyvio, the page on the external site appears to exist at least as far back as April 2015. If restored the only thing that could be saved from my understanding is 4 lines advising what Marybrown should do. It does look very much like someone using Wikipedia to host something they should be doing in a word processing programme instead if I'm honest. If you want to restore the first paragraph I'm fine with that. Amortias ( T)( C) 15:06, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
When you declined the speedy deletion of Princes Mead Shopping Centre, you declared "A7 does not apply to shopping malls". By what logic do you arrive at that conclusion? WP:CSD#A7 applies to any articles about "people, animals, organizations, web content, [or] events" that do not assert a claim of importance or notability. The only type of organization explicitly exempted is a school. A shopping mall is clearly a company or organization, and so fits in the criterion. There is nothing in the writing about CSD#A7 that exempts shopping malls. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:44, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
I have spent hours writing a wiki article for one of the popular real estate dealers based in Bangalore. I have added it because I believe it should be on wikipedia. I hope you'll consider my request to include that wiki page again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hafizka ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Mr Aleem Iqbal (Lord Aleem) is a notable person. There are individuals of far less notoriety with approved articles. Please release my page. I am a new user its my first article, and still learning how Wikipedia works. I intend to edit a high quality article.
Featured in Daily Mail one of the largest news sites in world. [1] And by Vice [2] and in The Sun [3]
Oh i see they are bad sources to use for the article. No problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnsarAction ( talk • contribs) 15:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for explaining the risks. Yes please take the article to wider consensus, maybe better editors can contribute. I have found some sources, including from The Independent and BBC. I was not accusing him of criminal behavior, simply describing the news reports. Thanks for the help.
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@ AnsarAction: Okay, there's now a discussion thread at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Lord Aleem, so have a look and have your say. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks @Ritchie333 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnsarAction ( talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
@ AnsarAction: There hasn't been much activity on the noticeboard. I think unless there's substantial development by this evening, I'll create a draft version of this article myself and set it up for review. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:46, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Sounds good -- AnsarAction ( talk) 13:23, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Thank you, he has a nice collection of cars, think he applied for the job on Top Gear and has a nice collection of supercars. Your right, mainly tabloid reports about unsavoury antics.
Hi, I'm a bit concerned about the various awards that the society has. It seems that quite a lot of them may not pass WP:GNG, and some are created by WP:SPA's. What is the best course of action? Thanks in advance! Best, Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 16:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
I tried to report him on the AIV, but HBC AIV helperbot5 kept on removing the report saying he was blocked 2 years ago. This led to an edit war between me n the bot. But in the end, it is never wise to fight with an idiot so i gave up. —usernamekiran [talk] 15:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi I am a volunteer at OTRS, The agents for the above mentioned artist have been in touch with us insisting the page be deleted as it is a invasion of her privacy.We have explained as best as possible to them the policies and criteria for deletion of an article.Please advice on the way forward as they have been very persistent on this matter. Thanking you FITINDIA (talk) 06:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
info-en
is the appropriate queue?) In the meantime, you could forward the correspondence via email (using the "Email this user" link). Bottom line is I might be able to throw in some examples from my real off-wiki world (that I don't really want to publicly talk about on-wiki) that may explain things.
Ritchie333
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@ Fitindia: Okay, I think I can make a good guess at what the issue is, and have resolved it in a way that they should be comfortable with. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:51, 6 April 2017 (UTC)@ Ritchie333: Thank you. FITINDIA (talk) 16:23, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
How do I properly create an article about a build system (software) like Bazel and/or smallest article like [ [1]]?
Thank you -Indra Indrgun ( talk) 22:58, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello
I am really puzzled seeing the page deleted for no reason.And I seriously don't know who are you ? And who authorises you for deletion. If you own Wiki then I am supposed to answer you , and if you are not then I don't understand why am taking so much of effort to answer you.
Please provide me with the reason for deletion. There is no copy right infringement in doing so. My self is working for Government of India and in the same department. Data put to wiki page has been gathered by me in consultation with coleeuges,seniors and media reports. Please re activate the page,as it's dishonour to him and his profile must be put in public domain , as more than lacs of engineers in my country aim to become like him.
Manish Kanodia 09:27, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello Ritchie 333! I have to say I am rather bemused and bewildered by all this. Firstly I apologise if I have not replied in the right place but I cannot see how to reply to an existing thread only how to send a new message.
How my clear message yesterday to tripthecottage can be viewed as a personal attack is simply beyond me. I made no such attack just tried to ensure that inaccurate and misleading information is not included in a profile about me and quite right to as it simply should not be.
This has raised a raft of concerns to me about how Wikipedia actually works as it seems that literally anyone, even someone who intentionally wanted to misrepresent me and my campaign (and I am not saying tripthecottage has as I think that is merely down to relying too heavily on newspaper articles rather than checking all the facts) even the pesticides industry or other could come on and write false and misrepresentative information on someone's profile and then the person who is being profiled isn't allowed to correct it when something is wrong!! And even gets threatened with being barred from doing so. Seriously?!!
I am stunned by all this as I quite rightly saw a massive rewrite of a Wikipedia page about me and my work and that contained inaccuracies and misrepresentative information that was misleading. I therefore took to correct that and actually if you see the changes they were not exhaustive as aside from ensuring a number of things were corrected it is only the last few bits I added in that were of any lengthy text and even then it was only a few short paras. The reason for the additional bit at the end is because you cannot include a profile about someone and then have the last information of what they have done as being many years ago. I have worked constantly for 16 years and the petition that is currently live is ongoing and has been covered in at least a couple of media publications both here and in the US, as well as in published factual evidence on a House of Lords committee website which I will gladly send the link to if that can be included as a citation as to be published on such a website it has to have been approved by the Lords committee concerned. (As I said in my message to tripthecottage I had tried to include a link to the petition site itself but it would not let me do so and so perhaps either one of the articles that refers to the petition or the House of Lords committee written evidence page is ok for the citation?)
In relation to some of the other points made in the various notifications I have seen in the alerts (although I cannot be certain I have seen them all as I am struggling to follow how to do all this talk and respond stuff as said).
1. As stated above it is quite wrong to have issued a warning to someone for a personal attack when it was not it was a firmly worded message about how it is simply wrong to have inaccuracies in a Wikipedia page about a living person!
2. To say it is now an autobiography is again absurd it isn't as I corrected a few things and then added a few short paras at the end about the current/live petition. Although it is still not ideal by any means (considering the original Wikipedia page prior to any rewriting of tripthecottage was the more preferred version, although for avoidance of doubt that previous version was not written by me just amended in parts), I think the version that is currently there (unless it has been changed again whilst I type this so I mean the version I amended last night) would be acceptable for now (although see point 3 below for one thing) and until anything else significant were to happen either to me or the campaign that would then require updating. As said hopefully we can agree on the remaining citations to add in and can liase on that.
3. The one other thing I noticed tripthecottage has changed in relation to the reference to the petition is he or she took out the word "poisonous" in the name of the petition. Yet that is in the NAME of the petition and I was citing correctly the name of the petition which is right and proper to do. Therefore that word should rightly be reinserted and perhaps be in quote marks then so it is clear that is the title of the petition?
4. I do not agree that this page should be the UK Pesticides Campaign as although it is of course the name of the campaign and is rightly referred to as such in the text of the page, in relation to all the profile of the campaign and the awards and other nominations it has received that has been to me myself as the named person who runs the campaign. Therefore it would be quite wrong to have it just as a campaign page and as said in point 2 above I would suggest the version as it is is kept with just adding back in the word "poisonous" and have the title of that petition in quote marks as it is the title of the petition as said in 3 above, as well as adding in agreed citations for the petition and other information below it which brings me on to point 5.
5. I cannot understand why all the awards and nominations (that have happened and are fact) were all removed and hence my comments to tripthecottage that it appeared to be a way to downplay the achievements of my work and campaigning efforts. To give an comparable example for this. On the vast majority of Wikipedia pages about living persons there is a list of the awards and achievements. Some of these people would be massively more high profile than others (ie. Leonardo Dicaprio and very high profile people of that nature lists all the Oscars, Golden Globes and other awards and accolades he has won), but surely there is no discrimination of the level of a person's profile in that if they have won awards and nominations even if those awards aren't quite of the level of the aforementioned then they would surely be listed also, especially if those awards have been mentioned repeatedly in the national media (which they have and I am more than happy to send on specific links and citations for that from various media articles). I am not actually even all that fussed about whether all the awards are included or not as there are quite a lot, but just think from a factual accuracy and representative standpoint they should be if they are for others as there should be no discrimination on that score. However, I would be content with the 2 that are mentioned in the existing version if nothing else but think my points in this point 5 are valid and justified.
I hope you appreciate all that is stated above and also hope that we can liase on this further to bring this to some sort of amicable resolution.
Thanks and kind regards, Thefactcorrecter ( talk) 14:20, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Ritchie333, just a quick ps to the message sent previously. Just in further support of point 4 about how it is right to have it as Georgina Downs with the campaign mentioned therein in that the legal case in relation to the risks and adverse impacts on rural residents and communities living in the locality of sprayed fields was in my name Georgina Downs v DEFRA and thus it was not named the UK Pesticides Campaign v DEFRA. I can send you clear links so you can see the names of the parties involved in the legal case if required. Anyway, as said this is further support to the points I already made in point 4 (ie. about how as all the high profile nature of the campaign in existing national media has been related to what I have had to do to challenge the Government on this issue, including launching the UK Pesticides Campaign as referred to in the page, then it is absolutely right the page should be under Georgina Downs).
One other thing I wondered is that if it is agreed that the current version is acceptable (with the one amendment requested at point 3 I think it was in the previous message and adding in the remaining citations once we can liase on that) then perhaps after the section about the petition (or even before that section as I think the petition was in my name rather than the campaign's) there could be another subheading for the few paragraphs that are related to the awards/RSA/being a registered journalist etc. as there were separate headings for these few things Awards, Journalism etc. in the original version (ie. before there was any rewriting of it by tripthecottage). All those remaining paragraphs in fact could even probably just be put under one heading even if its just "Other" or such like.
Anyway, this is just further to the previous message sent and I hope sending this one doesn't mean you don't see the first message so please see it above under the heading "Bemused and bewildered" etc. etc.
Thanks Thefactcorrecter ( talk) 15:21, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Ritchie333,
Thanks for the message. However, I see you haven't waited for me to respond before changing things again.
I repeat I am not and have never been called an environmental activist. This is factually incorrect, misleading and is in my view rather derogatory to what my work involves. I am a registered journalist under two well recognized bodies (the IFAJ and BGAJ) and multi award winning campaigner (as you can see if you go back to the previous version I referred to which from looking at it was 11th April 2016 16.38 as I haven't seen the various ones changing things in between to know what was done so suggest you see the awards list in that April one). Therefore please will you change it back to describe my correct title (as a campaigner and journalist) as this is simply not acceptable to me as someone who fights on a serious public health issue to keep trying to mislead as I have never been described anywhere by the "environmental activist" title.
I have made a number of notes in response to your message and so shall respond to it all shortly but wanted to send this on in the meantime and ask that nothing is changed further on this until you have seen my further reply which I shall send on shortly (and certainly do not want things changed by anyone else as now I have started to correspond with yourself then please can we keep it as that without passing it on to someone else that I have to start all over again with objecting to etc. etc. especially considering how upset I am about all of this).
Thanks Thefactcorrecter ( talk) 17:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
The conversation on this talk page today has been too serious with too many upset people. Come on talk page stalkers (especially Martinevans123), lighten it up with a bit of song and dance. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't want to reignite your PTSD, but could you could marshal the fortitude to review Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Harry_R._Lewis? I want it to appear on the 19th and I'm starting to get nervous. E Eng 08:01, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Mayfair you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of CaroleHenson -- CaroleHenson ( talk) 15:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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Right then, shall we tell them about the time that you came round to my place when I was 21 and you were 16, we got you pissed on cheap vodka and cider, we told you my flatmate's epilepsy tablets were Es and you believed us. We laughed about that for ... quite some time. (note to talk page stalkers, this really happened) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
Do you mind taking a look at this page. The new article is a dupe article that says that the college is closing - and so this could be misleading for people looking for info about this college. I added the hoax tag. Could you delete this article if you agree?– CaroleHenson ( talk) 21:40, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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08:25, 3 April 2017 Ritchie333 (talk | contribs) deleted page User:Theelord (U5: Misuse of Wikipedia as a web host) Why did you do this? I was working on an assignment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theelord ( talk • contribs)
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Reviewing it the first revision (just a header) is the only one clear of Copyvio, the page on the external site appears to exist at least as far back as April 2015. If restored the only thing that could be saved from my understanding is 4 lines advising what Marybrown should do. It does look very much like someone using Wikipedia to host something they should be doing in a word processing programme instead if I'm honest. If you want to restore the first paragraph I'm fine with that. Amortias ( T)( C) 15:06, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
When you declined the speedy deletion of Princes Mead Shopping Centre, you declared "A7 does not apply to shopping malls". By what logic do you arrive at that conclusion? WP:CSD#A7 applies to any articles about "people, animals, organizations, web content, [or] events" that do not assert a claim of importance or notability. The only type of organization explicitly exempted is a school. A shopping mall is clearly a company or organization, and so fits in the criterion. There is nothing in the writing about CSD#A7 that exempts shopping malls. WikiDan61 ChatMe! ReadMe!! 19:44, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
I have spent hours writing a wiki article for one of the popular real estate dealers based in Bangalore. I have added it because I believe it should be on wikipedia. I hope you'll consider my request to include that wiki page again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hafizka ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
Mr Aleem Iqbal (Lord Aleem) is a notable person. There are individuals of far less notoriety with approved articles. Please release my page. I am a new user its my first article, and still learning how Wikipedia works. I intend to edit a high quality article.
Featured in Daily Mail one of the largest news sites in world. [1] And by Vice [2] and in The Sun [3]
Oh i see they are bad sources to use for the article. No problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnsarAction ( talk • contribs) 15:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for explaining the risks. Yes please take the article to wider consensus, maybe better editors can contribute. I have found some sources, including from The Independent and BBC. I was not accusing him of criminal behavior, simply describing the news reports. Thanks for the help.
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@ AnsarAction: Okay, there's now a discussion thread at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Lord Aleem, so have a look and have your say. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:56, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks @Ritchie333 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnsarAction ( talk • contribs) 16:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
@ AnsarAction: There hasn't been much activity on the noticeboard. I think unless there's substantial development by this evening, I'll create a draft version of this article myself and set it up for review. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:46, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Sounds good -- AnsarAction ( talk) 13:23, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
@ Ritchie333: Thank you, he has a nice collection of cars, think he applied for the job on Top Gear and has a nice collection of supercars. Your right, mainly tabloid reports about unsavoury antics.
Hi, I'm a bit concerned about the various awards that the society has. It seems that quite a lot of them may not pass WP:GNG, and some are created by WP:SPA's. What is the best course of action? Thanks in advance! Best, Nicnote • ask me a question • contributions 16:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
I tried to report him on the AIV, but HBC AIV helperbot5 kept on removing the report saying he was blocked 2 years ago. This led to an edit war between me n the bot. But in the end, it is never wise to fight with an idiot so i gave up. —usernamekiran [talk] 15:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi I am a volunteer at OTRS, The agents for the above mentioned artist have been in touch with us insisting the page be deleted as it is a invasion of her privacy.We have explained as best as possible to them the policies and criteria for deletion of an article.Please advice on the way forward as they have been very persistent on this matter. Thanking you FITINDIA (talk) 06:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
info-en
is the appropriate queue?) In the meantime, you could forward the correspondence via email (using the "Email this user" link). Bottom line is I might be able to throw in some examples from my real off-wiki world (that I don't really want to publicly talk about on-wiki) that may explain things.
Ritchie333
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@ Fitindia: Okay, I think I can make a good guess at what the issue is, and have resolved it in a way that they should be comfortable with. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:51, 6 April 2017 (UTC)@ Ritchie333: Thank you. FITINDIA (talk) 16:23, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
How do I properly create an article about a build system (software) like Bazel and/or smallest article like [ [1]]?
Thank you -Indra Indrgun ( talk) 22:58, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello
I am really puzzled seeing the page deleted for no reason.And I seriously don't know who are you ? And who authorises you for deletion. If you own Wiki then I am supposed to answer you , and if you are not then I don't understand why am taking so much of effort to answer you.
Please provide me with the reason for deletion. There is no copy right infringement in doing so. My self is working for Government of India and in the same department. Data put to wiki page has been gathered by me in consultation with coleeuges,seniors and media reports. Please re activate the page,as it's dishonour to him and his profile must be put in public domain , as more than lacs of engineers in my country aim to become like him.
Manish Kanodia 09:27, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello Ritchie 333! I have to say I am rather bemused and bewildered by all this. Firstly I apologise if I have not replied in the right place but I cannot see how to reply to an existing thread only how to send a new message.
How my clear message yesterday to tripthecottage can be viewed as a personal attack is simply beyond me. I made no such attack just tried to ensure that inaccurate and misleading information is not included in a profile about me and quite right to as it simply should not be.
This has raised a raft of concerns to me about how Wikipedia actually works as it seems that literally anyone, even someone who intentionally wanted to misrepresent me and my campaign (and I am not saying tripthecottage has as I think that is merely down to relying too heavily on newspaper articles rather than checking all the facts) even the pesticides industry or other could come on and write false and misrepresentative information on someone's profile and then the person who is being profiled isn't allowed to correct it when something is wrong!! And even gets threatened with being barred from doing so. Seriously?!!
I am stunned by all this as I quite rightly saw a massive rewrite of a Wikipedia page about me and my work and that contained inaccuracies and misrepresentative information that was misleading. I therefore took to correct that and actually if you see the changes they were not exhaustive as aside from ensuring a number of things were corrected it is only the last few bits I added in that were of any lengthy text and even then it was only a few short paras. The reason for the additional bit at the end is because you cannot include a profile about someone and then have the last information of what they have done as being many years ago. I have worked constantly for 16 years and the petition that is currently live is ongoing and has been covered in at least a couple of media publications both here and in the US, as well as in published factual evidence on a House of Lords committee website which I will gladly send the link to if that can be included as a citation as to be published on such a website it has to have been approved by the Lords committee concerned. (As I said in my message to tripthecottage I had tried to include a link to the petition site itself but it would not let me do so and so perhaps either one of the articles that refers to the petition or the House of Lords committee written evidence page is ok for the citation?)
In relation to some of the other points made in the various notifications I have seen in the alerts (although I cannot be certain I have seen them all as I am struggling to follow how to do all this talk and respond stuff as said).
1. As stated above it is quite wrong to have issued a warning to someone for a personal attack when it was not it was a firmly worded message about how it is simply wrong to have inaccuracies in a Wikipedia page about a living person!
2. To say it is now an autobiography is again absurd it isn't as I corrected a few things and then added a few short paras at the end about the current/live petition. Although it is still not ideal by any means (considering the original Wikipedia page prior to any rewriting of tripthecottage was the more preferred version, although for avoidance of doubt that previous version was not written by me just amended in parts), I think the version that is currently there (unless it has been changed again whilst I type this so I mean the version I amended last night) would be acceptable for now (although see point 3 below for one thing) and until anything else significant were to happen either to me or the campaign that would then require updating. As said hopefully we can agree on the remaining citations to add in and can liase on that.
3. The one other thing I noticed tripthecottage has changed in relation to the reference to the petition is he or she took out the word "poisonous" in the name of the petition. Yet that is in the NAME of the petition and I was citing correctly the name of the petition which is right and proper to do. Therefore that word should rightly be reinserted and perhaps be in quote marks then so it is clear that is the title of the petition?
4. I do not agree that this page should be the UK Pesticides Campaign as although it is of course the name of the campaign and is rightly referred to as such in the text of the page, in relation to all the profile of the campaign and the awards and other nominations it has received that has been to me myself as the named person who runs the campaign. Therefore it would be quite wrong to have it just as a campaign page and as said in point 2 above I would suggest the version as it is is kept with just adding back in the word "poisonous" and have the title of that petition in quote marks as it is the title of the petition as said in 3 above, as well as adding in agreed citations for the petition and other information below it which brings me on to point 5.
5. I cannot understand why all the awards and nominations (that have happened and are fact) were all removed and hence my comments to tripthecottage that it appeared to be a way to downplay the achievements of my work and campaigning efforts. To give an comparable example for this. On the vast majority of Wikipedia pages about living persons there is a list of the awards and achievements. Some of these people would be massively more high profile than others (ie. Leonardo Dicaprio and very high profile people of that nature lists all the Oscars, Golden Globes and other awards and accolades he has won), but surely there is no discrimination of the level of a person's profile in that if they have won awards and nominations even if those awards aren't quite of the level of the aforementioned then they would surely be listed also, especially if those awards have been mentioned repeatedly in the national media (which they have and I am more than happy to send on specific links and citations for that from various media articles). I am not actually even all that fussed about whether all the awards are included or not as there are quite a lot, but just think from a factual accuracy and representative standpoint they should be if they are for others as there should be no discrimination on that score. However, I would be content with the 2 that are mentioned in the existing version if nothing else but think my points in this point 5 are valid and justified.
I hope you appreciate all that is stated above and also hope that we can liase on this further to bring this to some sort of amicable resolution.
Thanks and kind regards, Thefactcorrecter ( talk) 14:20, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Ritchie333, just a quick ps to the message sent previously. Just in further support of point 4 about how it is right to have it as Georgina Downs with the campaign mentioned therein in that the legal case in relation to the risks and adverse impacts on rural residents and communities living in the locality of sprayed fields was in my name Georgina Downs v DEFRA and thus it was not named the UK Pesticides Campaign v DEFRA. I can send you clear links so you can see the names of the parties involved in the legal case if required. Anyway, as said this is further support to the points I already made in point 4 (ie. about how as all the high profile nature of the campaign in existing national media has been related to what I have had to do to challenge the Government on this issue, including launching the UK Pesticides Campaign as referred to in the page, then it is absolutely right the page should be under Georgina Downs).
One other thing I wondered is that if it is agreed that the current version is acceptable (with the one amendment requested at point 3 I think it was in the previous message and adding in the remaining citations once we can liase on that) then perhaps after the section about the petition (or even before that section as I think the petition was in my name rather than the campaign's) there could be another subheading for the few paragraphs that are related to the awards/RSA/being a registered journalist etc. as there were separate headings for these few things Awards, Journalism etc. in the original version (ie. before there was any rewriting of it by tripthecottage). All those remaining paragraphs in fact could even probably just be put under one heading even if its just "Other" or such like.
Anyway, this is just further to the previous message sent and I hope sending this one doesn't mean you don't see the first message so please see it above under the heading "Bemused and bewildered" etc. etc.
Thanks Thefactcorrecter ( talk) 15:21, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Ritchie333,
Thanks for the message. However, I see you haven't waited for me to respond before changing things again.
I repeat I am not and have never been called an environmental activist. This is factually incorrect, misleading and is in my view rather derogatory to what my work involves. I am a registered journalist under two well recognized bodies (the IFAJ and BGAJ) and multi award winning campaigner (as you can see if you go back to the previous version I referred to which from looking at it was 11th April 2016 16.38 as I haven't seen the various ones changing things in between to know what was done so suggest you see the awards list in that April one). Therefore please will you change it back to describe my correct title (as a campaigner and journalist) as this is simply not acceptable to me as someone who fights on a serious public health issue to keep trying to mislead as I have never been described anywhere by the "environmental activist" title.
I have made a number of notes in response to your message and so shall respond to it all shortly but wanted to send this on in the meantime and ask that nothing is changed further on this until you have seen my further reply which I shall send on shortly (and certainly do not want things changed by anyone else as now I have started to correspond with yourself then please can we keep it as that without passing it on to someone else that I have to start all over again with objecting to etc. etc. especially considering how upset I am about all of this).
Thanks Thefactcorrecter ( talk) 17:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
The conversation on this talk page today has been too serious with too many upset people. Come on talk page stalkers (especially Martinevans123), lighten it up with a bit of song and dance. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't want to reignite your PTSD, but could you could marshal the fortitude to review Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Harry_R._Lewis? I want it to appear on the 19th and I'm starting to get nervous. E Eng 08:01, 8 April 2017 (UTC)