Your article was deleted per the discussion. There was little to no coverage of the term outside of HMI's website and related programs. See WP:NEOLOGISM for more details on relevant policy. L Faraone 02:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
It is not my article. I was simply editing it to meet wiki standards when you deleted it right in the middle of my editing. Thats all I am saying. I had already probably changed the article enough to not need deleting, but I wasn't finished yet. Redddbaron ( talk) 03:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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YOU WROTE: Hello tree! I am working on rewriting a page that was recently deleted. I could sure use some help as I am a complete novice. I only opened my wiki account a couple days ago. In fact the very reason I opened an account was to work on this page. Although it is deleted, I was able to get it wikified or userfied or whatever you call it here at wiki. I have basically rewritten the entire article and added a dozen or more references. Can you look at it and either let me know if it is ready for wiki or help me to get it ready? I chose you because of your interest in birds, and therefore obviously ecology.
Thanks, Scott Redddbaron ( talk) 02:04, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Keep up the good work, Scott! Of course there should be a Holistic Management article. Like you I'm not involved with it but I am convinced of its effectiveness and importance for the future of the planet. Kudos! Danny Sprinkle ( talk) 23:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC) |
OK Guys I spent many hours working on the article. I followed you guys advise and put many links where applicable to other areas related to agriculture or environmentalism. I completely cleaned up the reference section. No bare URLs anymore. I went "mining" sources and found several which I have added including one on how this can benefit birds' habitat. I am up over 20 sources now. Not bad considering when I first saw the article it had just one....in the criticism section no less! hahahahaha
I came across two potentially great sources to be mined, but as of yet I haven't figured out exactly how to do it in a way that meets Wiki standards.
One is His Royal Highness, Prince of Wales, Prince Charles' endorsement and call to action in a speech to the [IUCN]. http://www.iucn.org/knowledge/multimedia/video/?10774/Prince-Charles-sends-a-message-to-IUCNs-World-Conservation-Congress
And the other is a Ted Talk. http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html
Any help you guys could give me in figuring out how to incorporate these please?
Besides that, any indications from you guys how close I am getting to an article acceptable to WIKI? My brain is getting exhausted already! Redddbaron ( talk) 03:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
OK Guys. I have worked till my eyes are crossed. I rewrote 3 and 4 completely as you asked, not only is it in my own words, I think it now contains far more information (I hope). I think it may be ready for a consensus vote for publishing on Wiki. I am sure it no longer is a walled garden since it is linked all over the place in wiki and it has almost 40 references including both mainstream news and niche, scientific studies both pro and con, books including a State University level text book, a user guide published by an extension service, a major award or two plus a few minor awards, a quote from a notable person, Major NGO's, government publications etc... Notability should be no problem. I am certain it also isn't a Neologism anymore. I tried to keep a neutral POV by mostly talking about goals and purposes, and not talking so much about how effective those goals and purposes and methods are necessarily (except where needed to establish notability). There is basically nothing left of the original article, all changed. I do have an idea to potentially add a nutrition section and/or animal welfare section, but so far I left that off. Opening up that can of worms will bring a huge onslaught of controversy and might turn my article into a battleground. LOL I also chose to not use much from Joel Salatin (probably the most famous farmer using holistic management) or Michael Pollan although there is such a huge wealth of information there, it will inevitable cause a huge controversy. I did mention Salatin in passing (references) and could potentially do a block quote from Salatin and/or Pollan. They have quite a few juicy quotes that I can think of off the top of my head. Joels famous "respecting the pigness of the pig" quote especially! http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7857921 LOL Redddbaron ( talk) 07:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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Congratulations on your Holistic management article getting moved into the article space. It looks great! I look forward to seeing more articles from you like this one! Technical 13 ( talk) 16:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC) |
The common term is 'holistic planned grazing.' What with all the competing terms going around it's advisable not to introduce yet another, i.e., 'holistic managed planned grazing,' which, when googled, comes up with only a few results, all apparently of your coining. Look at my change to 'biommimicry' and let me know what you think... Danny Sprinkle ( talk) 18:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure, happy to. Let's deal with the AFD first and then we can work on a rebuild. Cheers, Stalwart 111 07:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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Please, you should justify at least your revert. Linking agronomy and agricultural science together is exactly what has produced some problems on wikidata and all these interwiki asymmetries. If some languages merged agronomy with the wider concept of agricultural science is no excuse. I will leave a notice in their talk, I am actually starting right now with de.wiki after some cross-check in dictionaries, veryfing all the titles to my knowledge, but i strongly believe that forcing the situation has clearly proved not to be a good strategy. -- Alexmar983 ( talk) 12:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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Just out of curiousity, what article(s) are you talking about with regard to all the POV-pushing and source rejection, in that WikiProject Argriculture interview for Signpost? — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 04:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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Dialectric, I have no attachment to my source, only used it to prove the hypocrisy of the people who insist on making the organic food article an anti-organic propaganda piece. If the same source reports something that is a negative puff piece, it is allowed, but report something neutral and science based (not even positive, just neutral) it is not allowed. It proves the editors insistence on a negative bias for the article. Negative puff citations are allowed and stand for months, neutral science based citations are removed within moments....and from the same publisher both! Now it is true that the source isn't a scientific study per se. Instead it is reporting on the state of scientific knowledge at the time it was written in the case of the one I used. But none of that matters, the point is the bias in this wiki article makes it a poor wiki page. Redddbaron ( talk) 17:53, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Redddbaron! I think the definition of Organic Agriculture needs a bit more thought. The one you have reverted to has a broken link, and is also not a complete definition. I could farm doing all those things "Organic agriculture is an ecological production management system that promotes and enhances biodiversity, biological cycles and soil biological activity. It is based on minimal use of off-farm inputs and on management practices that restore, maintain and enhance ecological harmony", but if I used a small amount of synthetic fertilizer, or a synthetic pyrethroid derivative of low toxitity, it wouldn't be be defined as Organic Agriculture. I suggest reverting to the brief but accurate USDA definition for the moment. RAMRashan ( talk) 22:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hiya Scott/Redddbaron, I'm editing a number of agriculture related articles right now, I note you've done some major work on the subject here and I have a suspicion you fall on the other side of the ideological divide as me, hehe (no, I'm exaggerating, but I am more into conventional ag, methinks), so I would be very pleased if you might comment on my suggestions/changes/criticisms, as you likely have something to say. Also like to add that your edits do seem useful. Here's a few:
Thank you! Leo Breman ( talk) 19:48, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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It is not my article. I was simply editing it to meet wiki standards when you deleted it right in the middle of my editing. Thats all I am saying. I had already probably changed the article enough to not need deleting, but I wasn't finished yet. Redddbaron ( talk) 03:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
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YOU WROTE: Hello tree! I am working on rewriting a page that was recently deleted. I could sure use some help as I am a complete novice. I only opened my wiki account a couple days ago. In fact the very reason I opened an account was to work on this page. Although it is deleted, I was able to get it wikified or userfied or whatever you call it here at wiki. I have basically rewritten the entire article and added a dozen or more references. Can you look at it and either let me know if it is ready for wiki or help me to get it ready? I chose you because of your interest in birds, and therefore obviously ecology.
Thanks, Scott Redddbaron ( talk) 02:04, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Keep up the good work, Scott! Of course there should be a Holistic Management article. Like you I'm not involved with it but I am convinced of its effectiveness and importance for the future of the planet. Kudos! Danny Sprinkle ( talk) 23:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC) |
OK Guys I spent many hours working on the article. I followed you guys advise and put many links where applicable to other areas related to agriculture or environmentalism. I completely cleaned up the reference section. No bare URLs anymore. I went "mining" sources and found several which I have added including one on how this can benefit birds' habitat. I am up over 20 sources now. Not bad considering when I first saw the article it had just one....in the criticism section no less! hahahahaha
I came across two potentially great sources to be mined, but as of yet I haven't figured out exactly how to do it in a way that meets Wiki standards.
One is His Royal Highness, Prince of Wales, Prince Charles' endorsement and call to action in a speech to the [IUCN]. http://www.iucn.org/knowledge/multimedia/video/?10774/Prince-Charles-sends-a-message-to-IUCNs-World-Conservation-Congress
And the other is a Ted Talk. http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html
Any help you guys could give me in figuring out how to incorporate these please?
Besides that, any indications from you guys how close I am getting to an article acceptable to WIKI? My brain is getting exhausted already! Redddbaron ( talk) 03:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
OK Guys. I have worked till my eyes are crossed. I rewrote 3 and 4 completely as you asked, not only is it in my own words, I think it now contains far more information (I hope). I think it may be ready for a consensus vote for publishing on Wiki. I am sure it no longer is a walled garden since it is linked all over the place in wiki and it has almost 40 references including both mainstream news and niche, scientific studies both pro and con, books including a State University level text book, a user guide published by an extension service, a major award or two plus a few minor awards, a quote from a notable person, Major NGO's, government publications etc... Notability should be no problem. I am certain it also isn't a Neologism anymore. I tried to keep a neutral POV by mostly talking about goals and purposes, and not talking so much about how effective those goals and purposes and methods are necessarily (except where needed to establish notability). There is basically nothing left of the original article, all changed. I do have an idea to potentially add a nutrition section and/or animal welfare section, but so far I left that off. Opening up that can of worms will bring a huge onslaught of controversy and might turn my article into a battleground. LOL I also chose to not use much from Joel Salatin (probably the most famous farmer using holistic management) or Michael Pollan although there is such a huge wealth of information there, it will inevitable cause a huge controversy. I did mention Salatin in passing (references) and could potentially do a block quote from Salatin and/or Pollan. They have quite a few juicy quotes that I can think of off the top of my head. Joels famous "respecting the pigness of the pig" quote especially! http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7857921 LOL Redddbaron ( talk) 07:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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Congratulations on your Holistic management article getting moved into the article space. It looks great! I look forward to seeing more articles from you like this one! Technical 13 ( talk) 16:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC) |
The common term is 'holistic planned grazing.' What with all the competing terms going around it's advisable not to introduce yet another, i.e., 'holistic managed planned grazing,' which, when googled, comes up with only a few results, all apparently of your coining. Look at my change to 'biommimicry' and let me know what you think... Danny Sprinkle ( talk) 18:51, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Sure, happy to. Let's deal with the AFD first and then we can work on a rebuild. Cheers, Stalwart 111 07:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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Please, you should justify at least your revert. Linking agronomy and agricultural science together is exactly what has produced some problems on wikidata and all these interwiki asymmetries. If some languages merged agronomy with the wider concept of agricultural science is no excuse. I will leave a notice in their talk, I am actually starting right now with de.wiki after some cross-check in dictionaries, veryfing all the titles to my knowledge, but i strongly believe that forcing the situation has clearly proved not to be a good strategy. -- Alexmar983 ( talk) 12:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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OK, you are really getting angry, and so am I. One of the things that is making this frustrating for both of us, is that you still are learning how Wikipedia works, but you are making stronger and stronger claims. I just realized over on my Talk page, that you have not understood the distinction between primary and secondary sources... I have been trying to say this to you over and over and this has been the key thing that you not getting. I am very much hoping that you will get it now. Primary sources and secondary sources are different. We use secondary sources not primary sources. And we use the most recent reviews.. and you will notice that the article already uses the most recent reviews. This is how Wikipedia works. Please acknowledge that you understand the distinction now. . This is Wikipedia, and we do things a certain way. You have to learn this if you want to keep working here. f you do not come to understand how we work and keeping making accusations and trying to add primary sources, you will be putting yourself at risk of getting topic banned. So please, please, understand this. Jytdog ( talk) 13:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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Just out of curiousity, what article(s) are you talking about with regard to all the POV-pushing and source rejection, in that WikiProject Argriculture interview for Signpost? — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 04:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
You might find this essay interesting. Please note it has an AfD here. David Tornheim ( talk) 18:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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Dialectric, I have no attachment to my source, only used it to prove the hypocrisy of the people who insist on making the organic food article an anti-organic propaganda piece. If the same source reports something that is a negative puff piece, it is allowed, but report something neutral and science based (not even positive, just neutral) it is not allowed. It proves the editors insistence on a negative bias for the article. Negative puff citations are allowed and stand for months, neutral science based citations are removed within moments....and from the same publisher both! Now it is true that the source isn't a scientific study per se. Instead it is reporting on the state of scientific knowledge at the time it was written in the case of the one I used. But none of that matters, the point is the bias in this wiki article makes it a poor wiki page. Redddbaron ( talk) 17:53, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Redddbaron! I think the definition of Organic Agriculture needs a bit more thought. The one you have reverted to has a broken link, and is also not a complete definition. I could farm doing all those things "Organic agriculture is an ecological production management system that promotes and enhances biodiversity, biological cycles and soil biological activity. It is based on minimal use of off-farm inputs and on management practices that restore, maintain and enhance ecological harmony", but if I used a small amount of synthetic fertilizer, or a synthetic pyrethroid derivative of low toxitity, it wouldn't be be defined as Organic Agriculture. I suggest reverting to the brief but accurate USDA definition for the moment. RAMRashan ( talk) 22:51, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hiya Scott/Redddbaron, I'm editing a number of agriculture related articles right now, I note you've done some major work on the subject here and I have a suspicion you fall on the other side of the ideological divide as me, hehe (no, I'm exaggerating, but I am more into conventional ag, methinks), so I would be very pleased if you might comment on my suggestions/changes/criticisms, as you likely have something to say. Also like to add that your edits do seem useful. Here's a few:
Thank you! Leo Breman ( talk) 19:48, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
"Holistic Resource Management by Allan Savory. 1988. Washington, D.C.:Island Press. 558 pages."
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