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I need help editing a section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psbudow ( talk • contribs)
Use the code ~~~~ to show your name and time of entry. Cocoaguy (Talk) 01:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Well i do not think so Psdubow, or should i say PSD!!!! Cocoaguy (Talk) 22:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: your comments on my talk page. Per Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9, fair use tagged images such as Image:Yankees cap logo.PNG, Image:JohnLennonWhiteAlbum.jpg, and Image:Democratslogo.svg may not be used on userpages, or any non-main article namespace pages. I've removed the images from User:Psdubow. Please do not re-insert the images. If you have questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. -- Durin 00:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Psdubow, I am concerned that you have replaced the fair use images on your user page even after it has been explained to you that they are not permitted. If it happens again, I will block you. Please understand that under the Wikipedia policy we are not allowed to use fair use images in user space. It doesn't matter whether or not you feel that it's legal, that it's not against the law of the country. It's against Wikipedia policy. This is your last warning. AnnH ♫ 22:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Psdubow, you don't have to agree with our fair use policy; you just have to comply with it. A policy which places heavy restrictions on the use of fair use images on a website that you don't own can't actually be "wrong". It can be more strict that US copyright law, but that doesn't make it "wrong". We want an encyclopaedia that can be freely copied by others. Therefore, we have very strict policies concerning the use of non-free images. They are never allowed in user space. Keep in mind that if I revert four times, I'm not breaking the law of any country, but I'm violating Wikipedia policy and am likely to be blocked. So even if you feel that the use of such images in your user space is not against the law of the country, you still have to comply with Wikipedia policy.
Of course you don't like being threatened. Who does? However, I was actually quite lenient in threatening you, because the normal next step for replacement of non-free images in user space after the user has been informed of the policy is a block, not a threat of a block. So I actually gave you one extra chance — your last one.
How do I know the policy has already been explained to you? It's on your talk page, in the thread immediately above this one. It's also on Durin's talk page, in response to the protest you made there. Also, the history of your user page shows that Durin had twice removed the non-free images, with an explanation in the edit summary, before I got involved. Durin's page is on my watchlist, and I saw the messages you left for him there, protesting about his removal of the images. That's what brought me to this page. Incidentally, Jkelly's page is also on my watchlist, so I saw your question to him, and can guess at the answer. He presumably has my page on his watchlist, and saw your message to me, so took a look at the history of the page, and posted another explanation to you. Who is he? He's an administrator, as are Durin and I.
When you post messages on my talk page, could you please use the "show preview" button? That will mean that you can keep changing your message until you're happy with it, but without having about five different versions taking up space in the history of the page on Wikipedia servers.
Finally, a little point that has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy on image use — your message to Durin had "Stop bothering me and my friend" in the heading. You later changed it to "Stop bothering my friend and I". In fact, the first version was correct. A lot of people erroneously think that "I" is more correct than "me". That is only the case when it's used for the subject in a clause: if it's an object, "me" is, in fact, correct. See this excellent explanation of accompanied pronouns. AnnH ♫ 01:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
FWD by Cocoaguy (Talk) 03:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I reverted your edit to this article. I don't know what the intention was but you blanked out some sections of it [1].-- Dakota 01:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
In response to this comment: Uh, no. First things first: Typing in caps is considered extremely rude; please don't do it. I do not owe you an apology, and I never accused you of anything. Your edits are blanking content, I pointed it out to you, and even stated that I wasn't sure what was causing this to happen. I highly suggest you take a step back and calm down. Blanking content for any reason will be reverted, intentionally or not. -- AuburnPilot talk 23:31, 6 December 2006 ( UTC)
Dear Mr. AuburnPilot,
I am sorry if I offended you in any way.
Also, I already sent this message by the time I viewed the message which said that you were not sure what causing that to happen.
I got angry and overreacted because Cocoaguy and I were working diligently on the Dr. James McCune Smith page and then something blanked out and I felt you were accusing me of a wrong doing after him and I improved that page so much.
Sorry again!
Sincerely,
Thank you very much for forgiving me.
Hello again, Psdubow. Concerning the images, fine, no problem. It takes a while to get used to our policies. If you ever want to know whether or not you can use a particular image on your user page, I recommend that you ask either Durin or Jkelly. They are both very well up on Wikipedia image policy, and both are very patient and helpful. I see that your friend has found some free images, and has added them to your page, so I hope you're happy with them.
Concerning the question of whether it should be "you and me" or "you and I", I can assure you that I know what I'm talking about. I teach grammar to undergraduates, and have several qualifications in English, language, literacy, and linguistics. If it would be correct to say "us", then it's correct to say "you and me", or "John and me". If, however, it would be correct to say "we", then you should say "you and I", or "John and I". That is covered in the Wikipedia article on Hypercorrection, in
this section. There's even a book called A Grammar book for you and I Oops Me (see
here).
Fowler's Modern English Usage is also very clear on that. I'm not surprised to learn that some of the people you asked disagreed with me. It's one of the most common mistakes in grammar today.
Regarding the spelling of "encyclopaedia", if you look at my user boxes, you'll see (third one from the bottom) that I use British English. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 02:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to George W. Bush. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 21:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
If you noticed Psdubow the vandalism in question was the spamming of "##########" under the ################## entry. Also the facts in which you listed may already be included in the article, may sound POVish (see WP:NPOV), or come off as original research. ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear Administrators,
It is a server error.
I even asked a more computer savy user and friend to help me and explain to me what is happening to me when I am trying to edit.
It has already happen to me on the Pres. Bush page, the Dr. James McCune Smith page, and others. It has also happened to other users too.
I am trying to edit stuff, but it keeps on doing this ("######") on some words. They are not offensive words! For instance, some of the words were hard, freedom, security, etc.
I am not trying to do anything wrong and I would be happy to help try and revert this server error and to fix the pages accidentally damaged by myself and others.
Sorry for any trouble I am causing you guys!
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Thank you for giving me the benefit-of-the-doubt.
By the way, do you guys know what's causing this server error?
No offence, but I don't really need to use the "sandbox". I, for the most part, already know how to edit.
To prove it, please check out the work my friend and I did on the Dr. James McCune Smith page.
I want to be productive and add stuff to help improve important articles and articles I'm interested in.
Thanks!
Thank you for starting this article. I'll help out a bit when I can. NinaEliza 23:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I've made some rather major changes to this article. I've broken it into sections, did some re-wording, and removed some material that's currently unsourced per the article itself. It looks a bit bare now, but the "skeleton" is larger, so it should be a bit easier to build on.
I also removed the link to New York Historical Society because it led to the Wikipedia article, and when I went to the site itself, the PDF transcript they had didn't work. The podcast might be fun to include, though - I've seen it done.
I found some other online sources that could help. I'm aware that I did remove some facts, so I thought I should provide alternative sources for the online:
This is a pdf of one his essays:
I also noticed that in the sources the jury is out on whether Dr. Smith actually did have the first black pharmacy, it's just "widely believed".
I'll keep these links myself as well. I'll try to help when I can. Good work. Sincerely NinaEliza 03:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: orginal message on talk page User talk:NinaEliza.
START FWD
We suggest that you also work on Peter Williams, Jr. as your work on James McCune Smith was very good. The two people are similar in their interests so we suggest that you work on him too. Cocoaguy (Talk)| (Edits) and Psdubow 20:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
By we i mean me & Psdubow. Cocoaguy (Talk)| (Edits) 16:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
END FWD
FWD: by Cocoaguy (Talk)| (Edits) 16:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Would you like to help me edit some of my article? You were interested in James McCune Smith before. Would you like to help me with some of the other topics, like African Free School? I would love your help. Sincerely, Nina NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • logs) 16:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!. NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • logs) 16:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Nina Eliza has changed her name to Nina Odell. Happy New Year Cocoaguy contribs talk 17:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Thank you for experimenting with the page Battle of Gettysburg on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. McMillin24 contribs talk 23:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
{{ helpme}}
I need help editing a section —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psbudow ( talk • contribs)
Use the code ~~~~ to show your name and time of entry. Cocoaguy (Talk) 01:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Well i do not think so Psdubow, or should i say PSD!!!! Cocoaguy (Talk) 22:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: your comments on my talk page. Per Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9, fair use tagged images such as Image:Yankees cap logo.PNG, Image:JohnLennonWhiteAlbum.jpg, and Image:Democratslogo.svg may not be used on userpages, or any non-main article namespace pages. I've removed the images from User:Psdubow. Please do not re-insert the images. If you have questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. -- Durin 00:48, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Psdubow, I am concerned that you have replaced the fair use images on your user page even after it has been explained to you that they are not permitted. If it happens again, I will block you. Please understand that under the Wikipedia policy we are not allowed to use fair use images in user space. It doesn't matter whether or not you feel that it's legal, that it's not against the law of the country. It's against Wikipedia policy. This is your last warning. AnnH ♫ 22:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Psdubow, you don't have to agree with our fair use policy; you just have to comply with it. A policy which places heavy restrictions on the use of fair use images on a website that you don't own can't actually be "wrong". It can be more strict that US copyright law, but that doesn't make it "wrong". We want an encyclopaedia that can be freely copied by others. Therefore, we have very strict policies concerning the use of non-free images. They are never allowed in user space. Keep in mind that if I revert four times, I'm not breaking the law of any country, but I'm violating Wikipedia policy and am likely to be blocked. So even if you feel that the use of such images in your user space is not against the law of the country, you still have to comply with Wikipedia policy.
Of course you don't like being threatened. Who does? However, I was actually quite lenient in threatening you, because the normal next step for replacement of non-free images in user space after the user has been informed of the policy is a block, not a threat of a block. So I actually gave you one extra chance — your last one.
How do I know the policy has already been explained to you? It's on your talk page, in the thread immediately above this one. It's also on Durin's talk page, in response to the protest you made there. Also, the history of your user page shows that Durin had twice removed the non-free images, with an explanation in the edit summary, before I got involved. Durin's page is on my watchlist, and I saw the messages you left for him there, protesting about his removal of the images. That's what brought me to this page. Incidentally, Jkelly's page is also on my watchlist, so I saw your question to him, and can guess at the answer. He presumably has my page on his watchlist, and saw your message to me, so took a look at the history of the page, and posted another explanation to you. Who is he? He's an administrator, as are Durin and I.
When you post messages on my talk page, could you please use the "show preview" button? That will mean that you can keep changing your message until you're happy with it, but without having about five different versions taking up space in the history of the page on Wikipedia servers.
Finally, a little point that has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy on image use — your message to Durin had "Stop bothering me and my friend" in the heading. You later changed it to "Stop bothering my friend and I". In fact, the first version was correct. A lot of people erroneously think that "I" is more correct than "me". That is only the case when it's used for the subject in a clause: if it's an object, "me" is, in fact, correct. See this excellent explanation of accompanied pronouns. AnnH ♫ 01:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
FWD by Cocoaguy (Talk) 03:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I reverted your edit to this article. I don't know what the intention was but you blanked out some sections of it [1].-- Dakota 01:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
In response to this comment: Uh, no. First things first: Typing in caps is considered extremely rude; please don't do it. I do not owe you an apology, and I never accused you of anything. Your edits are blanking content, I pointed it out to you, and even stated that I wasn't sure what was causing this to happen. I highly suggest you take a step back and calm down. Blanking content for any reason will be reverted, intentionally or not. -- AuburnPilot talk 23:31, 6 December 2006 ( UTC)
Dear Mr. AuburnPilot,
I am sorry if I offended you in any way.
Also, I already sent this message by the time I viewed the message which said that you were not sure what causing that to happen.
I got angry and overreacted because Cocoaguy and I were working diligently on the Dr. James McCune Smith page and then something blanked out and I felt you were accusing me of a wrong doing after him and I improved that page so much.
Sorry again!
Sincerely,
Thank you very much for forgiving me.
Hello again, Psdubow. Concerning the images, fine, no problem. It takes a while to get used to our policies. If you ever want to know whether or not you can use a particular image on your user page, I recommend that you ask either Durin or Jkelly. They are both very well up on Wikipedia image policy, and both are very patient and helpful. I see that your friend has found some free images, and has added them to your page, so I hope you're happy with them.
Concerning the question of whether it should be "you and me" or "you and I", I can assure you that I know what I'm talking about. I teach grammar to undergraduates, and have several qualifications in English, language, literacy, and linguistics. If it would be correct to say "us", then it's correct to say "you and me", or "John and me". If, however, it would be correct to say "we", then you should say "you and I", or "John and I". That is covered in the Wikipedia article on Hypercorrection, in
this section. There's even a book called A Grammar book for you and I Oops Me (see
here).
Fowler's Modern English Usage is also very clear on that. I'm not surprised to learn that some of the people you asked disagreed with me. It's one of the most common mistakes in grammar today.
Regarding the spelling of "encyclopaedia", if you look at my user boxes, you'll see (third one from the bottom) that I use British English. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 02:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to George W. Bush. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 21:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
If you noticed Psdubow the vandalism in question was the spamming of "##########" under the ################## entry. Also the facts in which you listed may already be included in the article, may sound POVish (see WP:NPOV), or come off as original research. ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 21:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Dear Administrators,
It is a server error.
I even asked a more computer savy user and friend to help me and explain to me what is happening to me when I am trying to edit.
It has already happen to me on the Pres. Bush page, the Dr. James McCune Smith page, and others. It has also happened to other users too.
I am trying to edit stuff, but it keeps on doing this ("######") on some words. They are not offensive words! For instance, some of the words were hard, freedom, security, etc.
I am not trying to do anything wrong and I would be happy to help try and revert this server error and to fix the pages accidentally damaged by myself and others.
Sorry for any trouble I am causing you guys!
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Thank you for giving me the benefit-of-the-doubt.
By the way, do you guys know what's causing this server error?
No offence, but I don't really need to use the "sandbox". I, for the most part, already know how to edit.
To prove it, please check out the work my friend and I did on the Dr. James McCune Smith page.
I want to be productive and add stuff to help improve important articles and articles I'm interested in.
Thanks!
Thank you for starting this article. I'll help out a bit when I can. NinaEliza 23:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I've made some rather major changes to this article. I've broken it into sections, did some re-wording, and removed some material that's currently unsourced per the article itself. It looks a bit bare now, but the "skeleton" is larger, so it should be a bit easier to build on.
I also removed the link to New York Historical Society because it led to the Wikipedia article, and when I went to the site itself, the PDF transcript they had didn't work. The podcast might be fun to include, though - I've seen it done.
I found some other online sources that could help. I'm aware that I did remove some facts, so I thought I should provide alternative sources for the online:
This is a pdf of one his essays:
I also noticed that in the sources the jury is out on whether Dr. Smith actually did have the first black pharmacy, it's just "widely believed".
I'll keep these links myself as well. I'll try to help when I can. Good work. Sincerely NinaEliza 03:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: orginal message on talk page User talk:NinaEliza.
START FWD
We suggest that you also work on Peter Williams, Jr. as your work on James McCune Smith was very good. The two people are similar in their interests so we suggest that you work on him too. Cocoaguy (Talk)| (Edits) and Psdubow 20:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
By we i mean me & Psdubow. Cocoaguy (Talk)| (Edits) 16:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
END FWD
FWD: by Cocoaguy (Talk)| (Edits) 16:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Would you like to help me edit some of my article? You were interested in James McCune Smith before. Would you like to help me with some of the other topics, like African Free School? I would love your help. Sincerely, Nina NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • logs) 16:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks!. NinaEliza ( talk • contribs • logs) 16:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Nina Eliza has changed her name to Nina Odell. Happy New Year Cocoaguy contribs talk 17:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)