Previous discussions can be found here:
User talk:Pioneer-12/Archive0000001
I may take up to several days to respond to messages, as Wikipedia is just one of many things that I do in my free time.
The patterns are everywhere.... you know this. Why? Have you fancied an idea to gravitate them into globular clusters, or just search the endless galexy for inteligent life? Then what? TTLightningRod 21:59, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I like that signature, you should use it more often. Nice selections too. TTLightningRod
Your input has been fantastic. TTLightningRod
I have implemented your Advantages... or abilites suggestion just for categories. A synergy section has also been started. I am requesting your participation in the conversion of the categories sections to an abilities format. As well as helping to develop the synergy section. I am referring to the blue box at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and series boxes. -- John Gohde 04:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I added a comment to commons:Commons_talk:Licensing#Fair_Use - have a look, I hope I was able to clarify this. -- G. Gearloose (?!) 21:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That's pretty funny. In fact, when I registered I was surprised that it wasn't already taken. You should have gotten here five months ago. It describes me perfectly. Although "Pioneer-12" is a great idea for a name too. Well, I'm sure I'll be seeing you around again. Happy editing! — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:59, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please do go ahead and re-add those that have references back in. Be careful to explicitly tie a list member to a reference (like on the movie page) and we'll get this page kept (albeit with different name and content, but its the thought that counts) yet despite all those trigger-happy deleters. Pcb21| Pete 23:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
If you have a few moments, might you help me bring some photos into an article. I shot some quick images of Sible Edmonds this morning at the DC federal court house. Her articale is only a single line or two, but it will be growing quite a bit this summer. Thought I might be able to prime the pump. Let me know... TTLightningRod 05:46, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not that I know of. What is the page? I will read it and vote. --
Merovingian
(t)
(c) 03:37, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
To me your commentary is absolutely right and, to an extent, I think what you are saying should be quite clear to everyone who has any workable definition of NPOV. There are so many new users though that it is really hard to indoctrinate them all! What I find odd is why VfD is so popular. Much of the stuff on there is such obvious crap that goodness why people bother to vote on it. Other stuff people spend much more time and energy trying to force a topic deleted rather than patching it up! Odd way to spend your free time on Wikipedia. I will try to find some more examples of where a page move solved apparent "inherently POV" problems. Pcb21| Pete 10:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind comments on my 'working dog' photo. I have to say I was pretty disappointed with the general reception of it, so thanks. -- Fir0002 00:55, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Do not, under any circumstances, remove other people's votes. Rick K 06:17, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
I've just spotted your message on user talk:GRider. Just so you're aware, GRider is currently banned from editing deletion related pages by an Abritration committee injunction. Thryduulf 10:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It's a pretty common word (has appeared in newspaper articles profiling specific roadgeeks, etc). There's a short article at roadgeek. -- SPUI ( talk) 20:22, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I guess it would depend. If you collect them for the collecting, it makes you a collector. If you collect them to see how roads used to go, you're a roadgeek. -- SPUI ( talk) 20:35, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm guessing that Master Thief Garrett is an innocent victim, and that Wikipedia:Revotes_on_Vfd was intended to be a good-faith effort to create policy, but between the two of you, you went way out of line.
In my opinion, anyway.
I strongly suggest that you just accept whatever the community opinion both on the article (even though I personally think it's keepable in present form) and on the "re-vote" concept. Just let it sting, shake it off, and go on to something else. Win a few, lose a few.
Just try to stay cool. The deletion of the "list of blunders" may be an unfair, but it's not worth fussing about. You made your case about as clearly as you could; you've convinced anyone who's going to be convinced; all you can do at this point is annoy people.
If you concede graciously nobody's going to hold anything about the incident against you. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:26, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dude, you were my roommate? And all this time I never knew...we should have hung out more... — Knowledge Seeker দ 10:39, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yep, it is amazingly easy for misunderstandings to occur in real life.
And, for reasons that I don't completely understand, it is even easier for them to occur online. It is necessary to be extremely careful about phrasing anything online. I've been doing it since CompuServe days (the 1980s) and I still haven't got it down.
The audience is huge. People don't read all your remarks carefully. You have the illusion that you're in a group of friends when in fact you're in a huge group of people many of whom you don't know.
You have to be really careful about jokes, especially irony, double meanings, and kidding. My guess is that your crack about "pesky deletionists" was probably intended to be good-humored. My own rule is that when I'm tempted to make a joke I always add in so many words "that's a joke." And then, when I see myself typing the words 'that's a joke,' I usually go back and decide the easiest thing is just not to say it.
Unfortunately, with the Wikipedia "history" mechanism,
To an amazing extent, this is true of everything on line. Google, and before it Deja News, preserves everything in USENET forums, even though participants always think of it as short-term conversation. archive.org attempts to preserve the entire Web. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:10, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry for assuming bad faith on your part. Looks like Dpbsmith was right after all, and it was all just a big misunderstanding. -- cesarb 21:33, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm certainly in favor of keeping the blunders article, and it looks like there's currently more than 1/3 support for it. Nickptar 00:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
See my argument at WP:RFD, but there are essentially two reasons. First of all, it doesn't work--if you click on the link, you aren't taken to the meta page. Second of all, it's self-referential and inappropriate to have a redirect for a wikipedia-specific term in the main namespace. Please direct further comments to wp:rfd. Best, Meelar (talk) 01:02, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
I'm abstaining on that vote; I think that sort of list would be very difficult to make encyclopedic, but I'm not strongly against it. I don't see how to make it good, but I'm willing to accept that someone else does. Since I can't put my money where my mouth is there, I abstain. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:22, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for voting and commenting on Clover Park High School. I think it's a very important case, because it's obviously not specially "notable" for a school, but it's still extremely important to cover this kind of thing. As you may know school articles are often very hotly contested on Vfd, I'm hoping we can persuade enough people to stop voting on notability and switch to article quality, then perhaps we can get consensus to "merge/unmerge" schools. Kappa 22:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes, he nominated it himself. I didn't see any reason not to carry it out, since no one else objected. No, one person is not a consensus, but since it was in his userspace and no one else saw fit to comment on why it shouldn't be deleted, I applied my best administrative judgment and nuked it. Note that the link to the VfD is in the deletion log as the reason for deleting the page, as well. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi there! In responding to Kappa's talk page I found your comments about a 'LocalWiki' project. I think this is a very good idea, and would be happy to lend my support to creating it. R adiant _* 07:51, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
I absolutely agree! Nader for life! You know, I bet I'm the only registered Green in Arizona (yuck). Your comment made me happy; I couldn't in good conscience register and vote Democrat, but I am getting tired of others dismissing me as some young idealist who'll "come around" after a while. Not only IRV is needed, but also abolition of the electoral college. How is it that Clinton in '92 failed to get even half of the popular vote and Perot got 20%, and yet Clinton gets 70% of the electoral college vote and Perot gets 0? The electoral college and popular vote almost never correspond, and in some cases (2000!), even the winners don't correspond. It only serves to distort the will of the people and exclude third-parties and independents. As you can see I get worked up about this, so thanks for caring. (I'd been searching around for a good quote when I found that in the book I'm reading, Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail of '72, hilarious and insightful). -- Dmcdevit 22:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You, sir, are my hero. -- 8^D BD2412 gab 16:20, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)
Hi Pioneer, I liked your edit to Wikipedia:No original research: it's an important point and you expressed it very clearly. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 18:55, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Pioneer. I have been away for nearly two weeks due to a bad back. Congrats on the efforts on the blunders page. Sorry I haven't been able to help. Things still look iffy on the Vfd page. I added a bit on the Ford Edsel, which got publicity in its time comparable to the New Coke. -- Blainster 05:14, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, "rant" may have been a poor choice of words, but I still find the whole thing irrelevant. Adam Bishop 04:23, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I just asked Adraeus this, but haven't heard back from him yet: Isn't there some policy on discounting votes cast before a complete rewrite? The Pandeism article was rewritten as of 13:28, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC). By my count, there have been 8 votes to Delete and 9 votes to Keep since then (including votes cast before that date and later reaffirmed). Holistically, there have been 20 votes to Delete (12 cast before the rewrite) and 11 to Keep (2 cast before the rewrite). -- BD2412 thimk 04:50, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with you. In fact, I'm already on the OpenDebates email newsletter even. I'm inclined to believe the system would be better if there weren't any parties at all, and we all just voted for whoever's best, not voting based on some kind of strategy. I remember during the last Democratic primaries I supported Kucinich and Al Sharpton. So many times people who had essentially the same views as me were baffled that I didn't support Kerry or even Dean because they were the only "electable" ones. But her's the thing: if voters en masse decide not to vote for a candidate because that candidate can't win, then they have just fulfilled their own prophecy. There was a little-known poll done on the eve of the 2004 election that still makes me frustrated with the voters in general. It went somethng like this (paraphrasing): If Nader had the same chance of winning as either of the major candidates, would you vote for him? And 30% said yes, they would. If only they had, then maybe we wouldn't still be stuck in the same two-party, no-change mess we are now. Political parties exist only for self-preservation, not ideals, and I wish the so many party sheep would see that, just as Washington did. Some day, maybe... (when the system collapses in on itself) -- Dmcdevit 22:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC) (Geez, I'm depressing)
Yep, that would be my opinion. -- Merovingian (t) (c) 00:35, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
The reason I didn't vote was twofold: first, the vote is a complete mess, having turned around halfway (these things almost never get consensus then, so there's no need for me to add more to it), and second, I commented only on the talk page to say the article was (and still is) duplicating the lists in flop. Obviously such lists are already in the encyclopedia, so it's a bit pointless to go vote on a separate article on blunders (whatever the subtle difference between a flop and a blunder may be). I hope you realize by now, incidentally, that Wikipedia has no sense of humor. Starting it off as "List of the Great Boners of all time" was, shall we say, not very prudent. :-) JRM · Talk 20:03, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
I'm everywhere. :-) And shiny metal derrières or not, we're still a tad more serious than creating articles with titles based on comic book jokes. "I think my main mistake was expecting a higher level of maturity, open-mindedness, and understanding on Wikipedia then exists." No, your main mistake was assuming a greater amount of patience than exists. Mind you, you would have gotten away with this easily in the early days; someone would have just moved the page at a convenient time, we'd all have a good laugh, drinks all around. These days everything you create that smacks of dubiousness is tagged for VfD, because there are many more eyeballs around, and people have less time to give every entry its due. Wikipedia has become more curt and businesslike as it has grown, for good or for bad.
Finally, the flop vs. blunder discussion I haven't seen, possibly because I didn't wade through the whole VfD to find out. The comment you added to the talk page clears things up ("every blunder is a flop, not all flops are blunders") and the list has criteria, so it seems to be on its way.
JRM ·
Talk 20:55, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
Loved the questions, thanks! My reply is here.
Cheers!
Sam Spade 17:59, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
There is no spork, either. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Ah, that's the beauty of copyright - all you have to do is append the symbol, and boom!, you have the presumption of the law on your side (that will over-ride any considerations based on where you post things as well). Technically you don't even need the symbol, but it operates to notify others that they can't copy your work, so that saves you from having to prove that they were not mistaken. Bear in mind, of course, that even copyrighted work is subject to fair use, so what you write can be quoted in part, so long as the quote is attributed. But that would apply to something you published in a book as well. -- BD2412 thimk 22:32, 2005 May 11 (UTC)
Hi, Pioneer-12, BD. Pardon my butting in to the conversation. :)
I was just wondering, what specific aims are you hoping to achieve with the copyright notice on your user page? Are you concerned that someone will edit your comments and misrepresent you, or is there something else? -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 00:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, any edits, including to non-article pages, are released under the GFDL. -- SPUI ( talk) 02:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Open an edit page. Look down.
Now, if you can read Project:Copyrights and tell me that it says that your talk page comments are excluded from the GFDL, I'll side with you. But it doesn't. All your contributions have been released under the GFDL, assuming they were yours to release, upon your implicit agreement upon their submission. If your contents were NOT allowed to be licensed under the GFDL you'd be in violation of our copyright policies and you'd need to be blocked. As a matter of fact, I'd ask that you please remove that copyright notice from your userpage posthaste, lest you be blocked for gross license violations. - Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 14:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
← moving back to left margin ← Okay; with respect to (mis)quotation, the GFDL doesn't hurt you. If someone edits your remarks and republishes them, they have to say that the text has been modified from its original form. (Heck, the GFDL requires that complete and accurate authorship information be maintained.) If someone maliciously alters your words and misrepresents them as your own, then the fact that the text is GFDL licensed doesn't affect your legal right to redress. If they try to do it here on Wikipedia, the admins will...I believe the correct term is "lay the smack down on them".
With respect to republication of your contributions to Wikipedia's talk space, I would first ask from a practical standpoint—is there really anything in the Talk and User pages that you expect someone would want to sell? For most Wikipedians, the Talk pages are just discussion about article or policy content.
If you're planning on posting a lot of personal poetry, original writing, a new screenplay, or what have you in your User space, you might want to consider carefully. For one thing, the Wikipedia servers are here for encyclopedia building; they're not meant as personal web hosting. For another, there's still the notice that shows up every time you edit a page, informing you that your contributions are released under GFDL. If you'd like to refer to personal writings from User or Talk spaces without licensing the contents under GFDL, I'd suggest posting them using a free hosting service somewhere and linking them from Wikipedia.
Does that help? I hope it doesn't seem like I trying to pick on you; I just don't want to see an avoidable legal mess arise a few years down the road. -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 15:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
<---reset the indent
Here's the core of what you're dancing around. Except as I explained above, you own what you author. With that in mind:
If you don't want to accept the terms of the license here, then you should:
Other points: Other companies are already using your work for profit without your control, take for example, answers.com. They use the entire Wikipedia database as part of their sources. But look carefully and you'll note that they properly attribute the source, as required as part of the GFDL. The GFDL applies in full here, including the attribution of the exactly what words come from what author.
Finally, it is true that I am not an attorney. However, I am both a semi-professional author and a semi-professional photographer, and my understanding and proper application of my intellectual property rights is central to my ability to generate income from my work. (By semi-professional, I mean that I get paid for part of my work, but do not use these as my primary source of income.) Should you choose to have this professionally reviewed, I would welcome a summary of your findings, but remember that if you post them here, you release them under the GFDL. -- Unfocused 15:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC) I forgot to post my signature earlier. -- Unfocused 15:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Excuse me? Are you a lawyer? A (future) lawyer has spoken, and I am following his advice. There is no problem. There is no conflict. I own my contributions and Wikipedia has a copy. Also, there is no additional effort for Wikipedia. The only people who have to worry are people who copy and re-publish the talk pages, or portions of the talk pages, in order to make a profit off of them. Too bad! If they're for profit, then they already have to edit what they copy to remove fair use. (I think. And I don't think anyone has copied and reposted the talk pages yet anyway.) So, this doesn't affect them any more then they are already affected.
Peace has come. It's a win-win situation. And it's a legal and fair one. No need to start trouble. Better to celebrate!
© Pioneer-12 16:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
I think Unfocussed is wrong to say that you must "defend your copyright" immediately if someone quotes your words elsewhere. If you don't put the words here, they definitely don't come under GFDL, whether you make a fuss about it or not.
At present you seem to be disagreeing with the notion that Wikipedia can treat your act of putting your words on its talk pages as assent to the GFDL. Well that's a licensing dispute between you and Wikipedia. Wikipedia's interpretation is that by contributing you've licensed all contributions. Your interpretation seems to be that you haven't. But unless you intend to sue someone at some point (for instance, if I put a copy of this talk page on my website and you sued me) it isn't going anywhere. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 15:08, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
Since this is a question that is likely to be of broader interest to the Wikipedia community at large, I've posted a comment on the Village Pump. I think it's important that the policy be clarified. -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 16:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps this was mentioned above; I don't have time to read it: the notice on your user page is partially unnecessary and self-contradictory - it says that you accept the GFDL but:
However, all signed contributions are Copyright © myself, aka Pioneer-12, unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Thanks for the kind comment Pioneer! Not that I expect what I wrote to make any difference to the vote. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 04:25, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
You've continued to contribute disputed material to talk space, which puts Wikipedia in a difficult position. To limit any potential damage, I have blocked you. You can appeal to another admin who may unblock you (though I hope this would only be done after discussion of the legal implications). Please email me or subscribe to Wikien-L where I have mailed a brief description of this highly unusual reason for blocking you. Hopefully this can be settled off Wikipedia.
My email address is minorityreport@bluebottle.com
The web page for subscribing to Wikien-L is here. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 15:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
We discussed this a while ago. Your input would be welcomed at Wikipedia:Schools. R adiant _* 11:14, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
I haven't been following the ins and outs, but, for gosh sakes, it says at the bottom of this very page, as I type this, in, "All contributions to any page on Wikipedia are released under the GNU Free Documentation License (see Project:Copyrights for details)."
Until someone jiggers the software so that that notice does not appear on Talk pages, I'm agreeing to license my comments in Talk when I press that Save Page button.
What you're doing, then, is agreeing to license, under GFDL, material that contains a notice in which you rescind that agreement.
Thus creating a totally messed-up, ambiguous, endlessly arguable situation.
Since copyright is all about money, none of this really matters until the following things happen:
1) you write something in Wikipedia;
2) someone takes what you wrote, and sells it—sells it.
3) Sells it for a lot of money.
4) Sells it for so much money that it's worth your while to hire a lawyer at $300 an hour to sue them. Even after the lawyer tells you that you've created such a tangled legal mess that nobody can even begin to guess what will happen in court.
Just let it go. It's not important.
Please continue to contribute to Wikipedia. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
It *IS* important. They are my words. I own the copyright to them under U.S. law. No license can override U.S. law.
Try to take my words from me against my will, and you are fighting a loosing battle. You think I'm gonna let an injustice against me fly? Then you don't know me very well. :-) Remember that quotes CANNOT be GFDLed. If you doubt that statement, talk to BD2412. He is a copyright lawyer, and knows a heck of a lot more about this stuff then I do. Heck, he probably knows more about it then the rest of Wikipedia put together.
Don't worry, Dpbsmith, I *will* continue to contribute to Wikipedia, despite the efforts of some people to try to silence the whistleblower. (Ever hear the term "white hat hacker"? Ever meet one? Ever try to lock one out of a library? :-) But it would be alot easier to continue to contribute if I wasn't blocked.
© 2005, Pioneer-12
I think I've settled on code for Template:Flag (actually the code is in Template:country_flag). I point it out in case that code is of use in Template:Flag4. Flag is for general usage, some specialized versions are in Template:country_flagIOC and Template:country_flagISO. I haven't seen any recent activity there; would it be appropriate for the section heading on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Flag_Template#Template:Flag4 to label it as an "old proposal", or are you aware of usage? ( SEWilco 03:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC))
I never saw you post before...accept my apologies...the time stamp just looked very different...nice to have you contribute.-- MONGO 07:03, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Ha, I enjoyed your message on Snowspinner's talk page, that's good, there are those of us around who like to see somebody who'll fight a good fight. Everyking 05:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Hello, Pioneer-12. I noticed you putting copyright symbols after your comments; it looks like you have some confusion over copyrights. Yes, you retain the copyright to everything you write: both comments and article edits. This is true of everyone: what I write is copyrighted by me as well. Under U.S. law, works which one creates are automatically copyrighted by that person, regardless of the presence of a copyright symbol. In fact, if I understand matters correctly, technically one cannot place his work into the public domain: you cannot give up your copyright. What you can decide, is how others may use your work. In most creative works you will see something like "Copyright © 2005, 2001, 1998 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. All rights reserved." That is, no rights are granted to reuse the work. However, one can release his work under various terms, while always retaining the copyright. For instance, anyone who submits work to Wikipedia, whether on talk pages or article pages, agrees to release his work under the terms of the GDFL. The sentences I am writing here are copyrighted by me, but I have agreed to release them under the GDFL. Anyone may reuse them provided they follow the provisions of the GDFL. I could put copyright symbols by all my contributions, but it would be irrelevant, since they are already copyrighted by me. The copyright symbols you are placing after your comments are meaningless: not because you are not allowed to copyright your work, but rather, because they are automatically copyrighted whether or not you put the symbol there. Does this make sense? Feel free to reply via e-mail if you wish. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:40, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Just a request for clarification on whether the large copyright notice that Pioneer-12 has placed on his user page is in contradiction to wikipedia copyright policy and if so whether it should be removed and have a history link pointed here as to comply with copyright policies while at the same time complying with the GFDL and allowing a copy to be viewed for discussion purposes. Jtkiefer 19:15, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Your page User:Pioneer-12/demos/page concatenation is appearing in the categories of each article it concatenates. User pages aren't supposed to appear in the article namespace categories. Please delete this page.
Because you are a member of WikiProject Categories, your input is invited on some proposed changes to the design of the {{ Category redirect}} template. Please feel free to view the proposals and comment on the template talk page. -- Russ (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Films by topic ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 22:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Template:Include page has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you.
Mhiji
01:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Template:Talk page link has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
The Evil IP address (
talk)
20:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that the page that you created was tagged as a test page and has been or soon will be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. — Abhishek Talk 16:52, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Template:Tpl requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion because it is an unused duplicate of another template, or a hard-coded instance of another template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.
If the template is not actually the same as the other template noted, please consider putting a note on the template's page explaining how this one is different so as to avoid any future mistakes.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. — andrybak ( talk) 22:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Category:Wars by country involved has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. NLeeuw ( talk) 08:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Previous discussions can be found here:
User talk:Pioneer-12/Archive0000001
I may take up to several days to respond to messages, as Wikipedia is just one of many things that I do in my free time.
The patterns are everywhere.... you know this. Why? Have you fancied an idea to gravitate them into globular clusters, or just search the endless galexy for inteligent life? Then what? TTLightningRod 21:59, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I like that signature, you should use it more often. Nice selections too. TTLightningRod
Your input has been fantastic. TTLightningRod
I have implemented your Advantages... or abilites suggestion just for categories. A synergy section has also been started. I am requesting your participation in the conversion of the categories sections to an abilities format. As well as helping to develop the synergy section. I am referring to the blue box at Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and series boxes. -- John Gohde 04:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi - I added a comment to commons:Commons_talk:Licensing#Fair_Use - have a look, I hope I was able to clarify this. -- G. Gearloose (?!) 21:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That's pretty funny. In fact, when I registered I was surprised that it wasn't already taken. You should have gotten here five months ago. It describes me perfectly. Although "Pioneer-12" is a great idea for a name too. Well, I'm sure I'll be seeing you around again. Happy editing! — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:59, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please do go ahead and re-add those that have references back in. Be careful to explicitly tie a list member to a reference (like on the movie page) and we'll get this page kept (albeit with different name and content, but its the thought that counts) yet despite all those trigger-happy deleters. Pcb21| Pete 23:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
If you have a few moments, might you help me bring some photos into an article. I shot some quick images of Sible Edmonds this morning at the DC federal court house. Her articale is only a single line or two, but it will be growing quite a bit this summer. Thought I might be able to prime the pump. Let me know... TTLightningRod 05:46, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Not that I know of. What is the page? I will read it and vote. --
Merovingian
(t)
(c) 03:37, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
To me your commentary is absolutely right and, to an extent, I think what you are saying should be quite clear to everyone who has any workable definition of NPOV. There are so many new users though that it is really hard to indoctrinate them all! What I find odd is why VfD is so popular. Much of the stuff on there is such obvious crap that goodness why people bother to vote on it. Other stuff people spend much more time and energy trying to force a topic deleted rather than patching it up! Odd way to spend your free time on Wikipedia. I will try to find some more examples of where a page move solved apparent "inherently POV" problems. Pcb21| Pete 10:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind comments on my 'working dog' photo. I have to say I was pretty disappointed with the general reception of it, so thanks. -- Fir0002 00:55, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Do not, under any circumstances, remove other people's votes. Rick K 06:17, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)
I've just spotted your message on user talk:GRider. Just so you're aware, GRider is currently banned from editing deletion related pages by an Abritration committee injunction. Thryduulf 10:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It's a pretty common word (has appeared in newspaper articles profiling specific roadgeeks, etc). There's a short article at roadgeek. -- SPUI ( talk) 20:22, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I guess it would depend. If you collect them for the collecting, it makes you a collector. If you collect them to see how roads used to go, you're a roadgeek. -- SPUI ( talk) 20:35, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm guessing that Master Thief Garrett is an innocent victim, and that Wikipedia:Revotes_on_Vfd was intended to be a good-faith effort to create policy, but between the two of you, you went way out of line.
In my opinion, anyway.
I strongly suggest that you just accept whatever the community opinion both on the article (even though I personally think it's keepable in present form) and on the "re-vote" concept. Just let it sting, shake it off, and go on to something else. Win a few, lose a few.
Just try to stay cool. The deletion of the "list of blunders" may be an unfair, but it's not worth fussing about. You made your case about as clearly as you could; you've convinced anyone who's going to be convinced; all you can do at this point is annoy people.
If you concede graciously nobody's going to hold anything about the incident against you. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:26, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dude, you were my roommate? And all this time I never knew...we should have hung out more... — Knowledge Seeker দ 10:39, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yep, it is amazingly easy for misunderstandings to occur in real life.
And, for reasons that I don't completely understand, it is even easier for them to occur online. It is necessary to be extremely careful about phrasing anything online. I've been doing it since CompuServe days (the 1980s) and I still haven't got it down.
The audience is huge. People don't read all your remarks carefully. You have the illusion that you're in a group of friends when in fact you're in a huge group of people many of whom you don't know.
You have to be really careful about jokes, especially irony, double meanings, and kidding. My guess is that your crack about "pesky deletionists" was probably intended to be good-humored. My own rule is that when I'm tempted to make a joke I always add in so many words "that's a joke." And then, when I see myself typing the words 'that's a joke,' I usually go back and decide the easiest thing is just not to say it.
Unfortunately, with the Wikipedia "history" mechanism,
To an amazing extent, this is true of everything on line. Google, and before it Deja News, preserves everything in USENET forums, even though participants always think of it as short-term conversation. archive.org attempts to preserve the entire Web. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:10, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry for assuming bad faith on your part. Looks like Dpbsmith was right after all, and it was all just a big misunderstanding. -- cesarb 21:33, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm certainly in favor of keeping the blunders article, and it looks like there's currently more than 1/3 support for it. Nickptar 00:31, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
See my argument at WP:RFD, but there are essentially two reasons. First of all, it doesn't work--if you click on the link, you aren't taken to the meta page. Second of all, it's self-referential and inappropriate to have a redirect for a wikipedia-specific term in the main namespace. Please direct further comments to wp:rfd. Best, Meelar (talk) 01:02, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
I'm abstaining on that vote; I think that sort of list would be very difficult to make encyclopedic, but I'm not strongly against it. I don't see how to make it good, but I'm willing to accept that someone else does. Since I can't put my money where my mouth is there, I abstain. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 01:22, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for voting and commenting on Clover Park High School. I think it's a very important case, because it's obviously not specially "notable" for a school, but it's still extremely important to cover this kind of thing. As you may know school articles are often very hotly contested on Vfd, I'm hoping we can persuade enough people to stop voting on notability and switch to article quality, then perhaps we can get consensus to "merge/unmerge" schools. Kappa 22:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes, he nominated it himself. I didn't see any reason not to carry it out, since no one else objected. No, one person is not a consensus, but since it was in his userspace and no one else saw fit to comment on why it shouldn't be deleted, I applied my best administrative judgment and nuked it. Note that the link to the VfD is in the deletion log as the reason for deleting the page, as well. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 04:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi there! In responding to Kappa's talk page I found your comments about a 'LocalWiki' project. I think this is a very good idea, and would be happy to lend my support to creating it. R adiant _* 07:51, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)
I absolutely agree! Nader for life! You know, I bet I'm the only registered Green in Arizona (yuck). Your comment made me happy; I couldn't in good conscience register and vote Democrat, but I am getting tired of others dismissing me as some young idealist who'll "come around" after a while. Not only IRV is needed, but also abolition of the electoral college. How is it that Clinton in '92 failed to get even half of the popular vote and Perot got 20%, and yet Clinton gets 70% of the electoral college vote and Perot gets 0? The electoral college and popular vote almost never correspond, and in some cases (2000!), even the winners don't correspond. It only serves to distort the will of the people and exclude third-parties and independents. As you can see I get worked up about this, so thanks for caring. (I'd been searching around for a good quote when I found that in the book I'm reading, Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail of '72, hilarious and insightful). -- Dmcdevit 22:40, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You, sir, are my hero. -- 8^D BD2412 gab 16:20, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)
Hi Pioneer, I liked your edit to Wikipedia:No original research: it's an important point and you expressed it very clearly. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 18:55, May 1, 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Pioneer. I have been away for nearly two weeks due to a bad back. Congrats on the efforts on the blunders page. Sorry I haven't been able to help. Things still look iffy on the Vfd page. I added a bit on the Ford Edsel, which got publicity in its time comparable to the New Coke. -- Blainster 05:14, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Well, "rant" may have been a poor choice of words, but I still find the whole thing irrelevant. Adam Bishop 04:23, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I just asked Adraeus this, but haven't heard back from him yet: Isn't there some policy on discounting votes cast before a complete rewrite? The Pandeism article was rewritten as of 13:28, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC). By my count, there have been 8 votes to Delete and 9 votes to Keep since then (including votes cast before that date and later reaffirmed). Holistically, there have been 20 votes to Delete (12 cast before the rewrite) and 11 to Keep (2 cast before the rewrite). -- BD2412 thimk 04:50, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with you. In fact, I'm already on the OpenDebates email newsletter even. I'm inclined to believe the system would be better if there weren't any parties at all, and we all just voted for whoever's best, not voting based on some kind of strategy. I remember during the last Democratic primaries I supported Kucinich and Al Sharpton. So many times people who had essentially the same views as me were baffled that I didn't support Kerry or even Dean because they were the only "electable" ones. But her's the thing: if voters en masse decide not to vote for a candidate because that candidate can't win, then they have just fulfilled their own prophecy. There was a little-known poll done on the eve of the 2004 election that still makes me frustrated with the voters in general. It went somethng like this (paraphrasing): If Nader had the same chance of winning as either of the major candidates, would you vote for him? And 30% said yes, they would. If only they had, then maybe we wouldn't still be stuck in the same two-party, no-change mess we are now. Political parties exist only for self-preservation, not ideals, and I wish the so many party sheep would see that, just as Washington did. Some day, maybe... (when the system collapses in on itself) -- Dmcdevit 22:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC) (Geez, I'm depressing)
Yep, that would be my opinion. -- Merovingian (t) (c) 00:35, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
The reason I didn't vote was twofold: first, the vote is a complete mess, having turned around halfway (these things almost never get consensus then, so there's no need for me to add more to it), and second, I commented only on the talk page to say the article was (and still is) duplicating the lists in flop. Obviously such lists are already in the encyclopedia, so it's a bit pointless to go vote on a separate article on blunders (whatever the subtle difference between a flop and a blunder may be). I hope you realize by now, incidentally, that Wikipedia has no sense of humor. Starting it off as "List of the Great Boners of all time" was, shall we say, not very prudent. :-) JRM · Talk 20:03, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
I'm everywhere. :-) And shiny metal derrières or not, we're still a tad more serious than creating articles with titles based on comic book jokes. "I think my main mistake was expecting a higher level of maturity, open-mindedness, and understanding on Wikipedia then exists." No, your main mistake was assuming a greater amount of patience than exists. Mind you, you would have gotten away with this easily in the early days; someone would have just moved the page at a convenient time, we'd all have a good laugh, drinks all around. These days everything you create that smacks of dubiousness is tagged for VfD, because there are many more eyeballs around, and people have less time to give every entry its due. Wikipedia has become more curt and businesslike as it has grown, for good or for bad.
Finally, the flop vs. blunder discussion I haven't seen, possibly because I didn't wade through the whole VfD to find out. The comment you added to the talk page clears things up ("every blunder is a flop, not all flops are blunders") and the list has criteria, so it seems to be on its way.
JRM ·
Talk 20:55, 2005 May 5 (UTC)
Loved the questions, thanks! My reply is here.
Cheers!
Sam Spade 17:59, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
There is no spork, either. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:41, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Ah, that's the beauty of copyright - all you have to do is append the symbol, and boom!, you have the presumption of the law on your side (that will over-ride any considerations based on where you post things as well). Technically you don't even need the symbol, but it operates to notify others that they can't copy your work, so that saves you from having to prove that they were not mistaken. Bear in mind, of course, that even copyrighted work is subject to fair use, so what you write can be quoted in part, so long as the quote is attributed. But that would apply to something you published in a book as well. -- BD2412 thimk 22:32, 2005 May 11 (UTC)
Hi, Pioneer-12, BD. Pardon my butting in to the conversation. :)
I was just wondering, what specific aims are you hoping to achieve with the copyright notice on your user page? Are you concerned that someone will edit your comments and misrepresent you, or is there something else? -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 00:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, any edits, including to non-article pages, are released under the GFDL. -- SPUI ( talk) 02:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Open an edit page. Look down.
Now, if you can read Project:Copyrights and tell me that it says that your talk page comments are excluded from the GFDL, I'll side with you. But it doesn't. All your contributions have been released under the GFDL, assuming they were yours to release, upon your implicit agreement upon their submission. If your contents were NOT allowed to be licensed under the GFDL you'd be in violation of our copyright policies and you'd need to be blocked. As a matter of fact, I'd ask that you please remove that copyright notice from your userpage posthaste, lest you be blocked for gross license violations. - Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 14:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
← moving back to left margin ← Okay; with respect to (mis)quotation, the GFDL doesn't hurt you. If someone edits your remarks and republishes them, they have to say that the text has been modified from its original form. (Heck, the GFDL requires that complete and accurate authorship information be maintained.) If someone maliciously alters your words and misrepresents them as your own, then the fact that the text is GFDL licensed doesn't affect your legal right to redress. If they try to do it here on Wikipedia, the admins will...I believe the correct term is "lay the smack down on them".
With respect to republication of your contributions to Wikipedia's talk space, I would first ask from a practical standpoint—is there really anything in the Talk and User pages that you expect someone would want to sell? For most Wikipedians, the Talk pages are just discussion about article or policy content.
If you're planning on posting a lot of personal poetry, original writing, a new screenplay, or what have you in your User space, you might want to consider carefully. For one thing, the Wikipedia servers are here for encyclopedia building; they're not meant as personal web hosting. For another, there's still the notice that shows up every time you edit a page, informing you that your contributions are released under GFDL. If you'd like to refer to personal writings from User or Talk spaces without licensing the contents under GFDL, I'd suggest posting them using a free hosting service somewhere and linking them from Wikipedia.
Does that help? I hope it doesn't seem like I trying to pick on you; I just don't want to see an avoidable legal mess arise a few years down the road. -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 15:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
<---reset the indent
Here's the core of what you're dancing around. Except as I explained above, you own what you author. With that in mind:
If you don't want to accept the terms of the license here, then you should:
Other points: Other companies are already using your work for profit without your control, take for example, answers.com. They use the entire Wikipedia database as part of their sources. But look carefully and you'll note that they properly attribute the source, as required as part of the GFDL. The GFDL applies in full here, including the attribution of the exactly what words come from what author.
Finally, it is true that I am not an attorney. However, I am both a semi-professional author and a semi-professional photographer, and my understanding and proper application of my intellectual property rights is central to my ability to generate income from my work. (By semi-professional, I mean that I get paid for part of my work, but do not use these as my primary source of income.) Should you choose to have this professionally reviewed, I would welcome a summary of your findings, but remember that if you post them here, you release them under the GFDL. -- Unfocused 15:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC) I forgot to post my signature earlier. -- Unfocused 15:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Excuse me? Are you a lawyer? A (future) lawyer has spoken, and I am following his advice. There is no problem. There is no conflict. I own my contributions and Wikipedia has a copy. Also, there is no additional effort for Wikipedia. The only people who have to worry are people who copy and re-publish the talk pages, or portions of the talk pages, in order to make a profit off of them. Too bad! If they're for profit, then they already have to edit what they copy to remove fair use. (I think. And I don't think anyone has copied and reposted the talk pages yet anyway.) So, this doesn't affect them any more then they are already affected.
Peace has come. It's a win-win situation. And it's a legal and fair one. No need to start trouble. Better to celebrate!
© Pioneer-12 16:12, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
I think Unfocussed is wrong to say that you must "defend your copyright" immediately if someone quotes your words elsewhere. If you don't put the words here, they definitely don't come under GFDL, whether you make a fuss about it or not.
At present you seem to be disagreeing with the notion that Wikipedia can treat your act of putting your words on its talk pages as assent to the GFDL. Well that's a licensing dispute between you and Wikipedia. Wikipedia's interpretation is that by contributing you've licensed all contributions. Your interpretation seems to be that you haven't. But unless you intend to sue someone at some point (for instance, if I put a copy of this talk page on my website and you sued me) it isn't going anywhere. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 15:08, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
Since this is a question that is likely to be of broader interest to the Wikipedia community at large, I've posted a comment on the Village Pump. I think it's important that the policy be clarified. -- TenOfAllTrades ( talk/ contrib) 16:31, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps this was mentioned above; I don't have time to read it: the notice on your user page is partially unnecessary and self-contradictory - it says that you accept the GFDL but:
However, all signed contributions are Copyright © myself, aka Pioneer-12, unless explicitly stated otherwise.
Thanks for the kind comment Pioneer! Not that I expect what I wrote to make any difference to the vote. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 04:25, May 12, 2005 (UTC)
You've continued to contribute disputed material to talk space, which puts Wikipedia in a difficult position. To limit any potential damage, I have blocked you. You can appeal to another admin who may unblock you (though I hope this would only be done after discussion of the legal implications). Please email me or subscribe to Wikien-L where I have mailed a brief description of this highly unusual reason for blocking you. Hopefully this can be settled off Wikipedia.
My email address is minorityreport@bluebottle.com
The web page for subscribing to Wikien-L is here. -- Tony Sidaway| Talk 15:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
We discussed this a while ago. Your input would be welcomed at Wikipedia:Schools. R adiant _* 11:14, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
I haven't been following the ins and outs, but, for gosh sakes, it says at the bottom of this very page, as I type this, in, "All contributions to any page on Wikipedia are released under the GNU Free Documentation License (see Project:Copyrights for details)."
Until someone jiggers the software so that that notice does not appear on Talk pages, I'm agreeing to license my comments in Talk when I press that Save Page button.
What you're doing, then, is agreeing to license, under GFDL, material that contains a notice in which you rescind that agreement.
Thus creating a totally messed-up, ambiguous, endlessly arguable situation.
Since copyright is all about money, none of this really matters until the following things happen:
1) you write something in Wikipedia;
2) someone takes what you wrote, and sells it—sells it.
3) Sells it for a lot of money.
4) Sells it for so much money that it's worth your while to hire a lawyer at $300 an hour to sue them. Even after the lawyer tells you that you've created such a tangled legal mess that nobody can even begin to guess what will happen in court.
Just let it go. It's not important.
Please continue to contribute to Wikipedia. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:21, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
It *IS* important. They are my words. I own the copyright to them under U.S. law. No license can override U.S. law.
Try to take my words from me against my will, and you are fighting a loosing battle. You think I'm gonna let an injustice against me fly? Then you don't know me very well. :-) Remember that quotes CANNOT be GFDLed. If you doubt that statement, talk to BD2412. He is a copyright lawyer, and knows a heck of a lot more about this stuff then I do. Heck, he probably knows more about it then the rest of Wikipedia put together.
Don't worry, Dpbsmith, I *will* continue to contribute to Wikipedia, despite the efforts of some people to try to silence the whistleblower. (Ever hear the term "white hat hacker"? Ever meet one? Ever try to lock one out of a library? :-) But it would be alot easier to continue to contribute if I wasn't blocked.
© 2005, Pioneer-12
I think I've settled on code for Template:Flag (actually the code is in Template:country_flag). I point it out in case that code is of use in Template:Flag4. Flag is for general usage, some specialized versions are in Template:country_flagIOC and Template:country_flagISO. I haven't seen any recent activity there; would it be appropriate for the section heading on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Flag_Template#Template:Flag4 to label it as an "old proposal", or are you aware of usage? ( SEWilco 03:07, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC))
I never saw you post before...accept my apologies...the time stamp just looked very different...nice to have you contribute.-- MONGO 07:03, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Ha, I enjoyed your message on Snowspinner's talk page, that's good, there are those of us around who like to see somebody who'll fight a good fight. Everyking 05:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Hello, Pioneer-12. I noticed you putting copyright symbols after your comments; it looks like you have some confusion over copyrights. Yes, you retain the copyright to everything you write: both comments and article edits. This is true of everyone: what I write is copyrighted by me as well. Under U.S. law, works which one creates are automatically copyrighted by that person, regardless of the presence of a copyright symbol. In fact, if I understand matters correctly, technically one cannot place his work into the public domain: you cannot give up your copyright. What you can decide, is how others may use your work. In most creative works you will see something like "Copyright © 2005, 2001, 1998 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. All rights reserved." That is, no rights are granted to reuse the work. However, one can release his work under various terms, while always retaining the copyright. For instance, anyone who submits work to Wikipedia, whether on talk pages or article pages, agrees to release his work under the terms of the GDFL. The sentences I am writing here are copyrighted by me, but I have agreed to release them under the GDFL. Anyone may reuse them provided they follow the provisions of the GDFL. I could put copyright symbols by all my contributions, but it would be irrelevant, since they are already copyrighted by me. The copyright symbols you are placing after your comments are meaningless: not because you are not allowed to copyright your work, but rather, because they are automatically copyrighted whether or not you put the symbol there. Does this make sense? Feel free to reply via e-mail if you wish. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:40, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Just a request for clarification on whether the large copyright notice that Pioneer-12 has placed on his user page is in contradiction to wikipedia copyright policy and if so whether it should be removed and have a history link pointed here as to comply with copyright policies while at the same time complying with the GFDL and allowing a copy to be viewed for discussion purposes. Jtkiefer 19:15, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Your page User:Pioneer-12/demos/page concatenation is appearing in the categories of each article it concatenates. User pages aren't supposed to appear in the article namespace categories. Please delete this page.
Because you are a member of WikiProject Categories, your input is invited on some proposed changes to the design of the {{ Category redirect}} template. Please feel free to view the proposals and comment on the template talk page. -- Russ (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I have nominated Category:Films by topic ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 22:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Template:Include page has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you.
Mhiji
01:08, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Template:Talk page link has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
The Evil IP address (
talk)
20:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. This is a notice that the page that you created was tagged as a test page and has been or soon will be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. — Abhishek Talk 16:52, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
A tag has been placed on Template:Tpl requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion because it is an unused duplicate of another template, or a hard-coded instance of another template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.
If the template is not actually the same as the other template noted, please consider putting a note on the template's page explaining how this one is different so as to avoid any future mistakes.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. — andrybak ( talk) 22:23, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Category:Wars by country involved has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. NLeeuw ( talk) 08:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)