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Padres Hana, I have left you a response to your question on my talk page. Marek.69 ^talk 13:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Padres Hana, I've left you a response to you question on my talk page Cheers -- Marek.69 ^talk 23:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for the invitation. I am honoured. What I can offer is a physical book collection, mostly in English. A good run of Journal of Palestine Studies and Middle East International. A random and unsorted cuttings collection going back 30 years. A daily chronology of events in Palestine Feb 1948 to Oct 1948 including text of Scotsman newspaper reports and names/population/location of villages (from Khalidi. All that Remains) on disc. [what a joy to find actual Palestine Posts in your resource centre!!!!]. Also some maps. And Palestine Exploration Fund Quarterly Statements. 1875-1969. some gaps. Padres Hana ( talk) 18:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

hi,
As stated by an editor at the place where you asked your question, you must just fit to your sources and when there is a contradiction, cite both.
Nevertheless, it seems you are talking about primary sources. In that case, that is not a good idea to cite any of them. You should rely on wp:rs secondary sources because that is the job of experts and scholars to sort reliable and not reliable primary sources.
Anyway : 100,000 people * 0.1-0.3 kg/day = 10-30 T / day, so around 3-9 trucks / day.
Ceedjee ( talk) 12:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Hello Padres,

Thank you for your contribution to the article Battle of Latrun.

For a day or two, it will be in flux while we fix reference and that, e have just finished the translation.

If you can help us, that would be really reat! In particular we need to do

• The names of places
• The references
• Just general checking of my English (I am native English but sometimes one cannot see the hills for the guns)

It's great to have you join us, I think this will be a great article, but will take a few more days to get there. I hope you appreciate my translation efforts. SimonTrew ( talk) 00:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you think about this : [1] (and the following pages) ? I don't think we can list all of them but why to list others and not these ? Ceedjee ( talk) 15:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I'll have a look at it tomorrow. Good work on starting the ones you have, пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 18:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello,
Just for your information, it has been long discussions but I think the best is to refer to these events with 3 articles :

• 1948 Palestine War in a general context
  • 1947-1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine - for the events between 30Nov and 14May
  • 1948 Arab-Israeli War - for the events between 15May and Feb49

Ceedjee ( talk) 10:52, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Ceedjee - thank you for these. I have difficulty with much of this. I hope to get the time to have a good look at all the work that has been done. Where to begin? Padres Hana ( talk) 21:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi,

I just discover this message. Your page was not in my follow-up.

What do you mean by "Where to begin?"

Cheers, Ceedjee ( talk) 20:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for starting that article! I requested it a few weeks ago on the WP Palestine page. Look forward to contributing to it. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 15:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Padres Hana!

I have noticed that you have been creating many articles about Israeli military operations recently. The effort is much appreciated, however, IMO it would really be better if you spent more time working on each article. As it stands now, most of the newly-created articles are stubs and don't offer any information whatsoever beyond a list of villages captured by Israel, which is not really what they should be about. Please try to look for more sources (I assure you, lots of English-language sources exist) in order to complete each article before moving on to the next one.

Thanks, Ynhockey ^{( Talk)} 04:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Did you intentionally misspell Pardes Hana in your nickname? What is the history behind the name? (just curious). — Ynhockey ^{( Talk)} 04:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up: I have just noticed your article, Operation Ten Days (moved to Operation An-Far), and have become even more concerned. The reason is that there's no such thing as Operation Ten Days—Morris refers to the Battles of the Ten Days, a general name for the battles between the first and second truce in the war. This includes Operation An-Far. Operation Death to the Invader is also a completely different operation during which Hatta and Karatiya were captured. Please be more careful with your research for each article. Thanks, Ynhockey ^{( Talk)} 04:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi I concurr with Ynhockey.

On my side, I would suggest, without attack, that you would try to find each time a few words about the military context concerning the battles and the military operations.

Exodus and expulsion, when they occured, are of course an important point in the military operation but the military operations were first targeted at fighting Egyptians and ALA...

If it is possible, I would suggest to you Morris, 1948 which costs 15$ in the USA. Good material for not much money. I think you can have access to this through googlebooks too !

Cheers :-) Ceedjee ( talk) 20:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Padres, we have image problems on that article, because images that are PD in Israel are not necessarily PD in the U.S. I've therefore had to remove a bunch. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't add any more unless the tag is very clear about the status. I'm thinking of working on it as a featured article nominee, so we can't afford to have a lot of image issues in it. I I know this is a horrible nuisance -- I'd love to see the page properly illustrated -- but those are the rules and they're strictly imposed at FAC. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 12:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Many apologies. I will stop. Does that apply to loading the images to Commons? I'm just so pleased to find the Palmach archive!! Perhaps I'll do something for youtube instead. Keep up the great work. Padres Hana ( talk) 12:29, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

The image situation is horribly complicated. Here is my understanding of it. There are a ton of images out there about Lydda and its invasion, all free in Israel, because taken over 50 years ago. But they also need to be free in the U.S. before they can be used on WP, and (strictly speaking) before they can be uploaded to the Commons, though the latter is often ignored. Images that are free in their country of origin are also free in the U.S. if they were not copyrighted in their country of origin in 1996 (the year of some special legislation or international agreement, the name of which I forget). The Lydda images only became free in 1998 (1948 plus 50). Therefore, they are not free in the U.S.

That is my rudimentary understanding according to the reading I've done here, and the other Wikipedians I've spoken to. No one sounds terribly sure about it, because we're not international copyright lawyers, but that seems to be the current understanding. It is extremely frustrating, but I see no clear way to fight it, and if the article becomes a featured article nomination, it's the kind of thing that will be pounced on. So I've been very relunctantly removing all the non-free images, except for ones that I'm willing to claim fair use for, but we're not allowed many of those. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 12:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Fixing the formatting is no big deal. Thank you for adding so much well-cited information to the Palmach and Haganah articles. —  Malik Shabazz  ^Talk/ _Stalk 18:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi Padres Hana! The fact that you asked to cite was already cited, and I have made a more specific citation now for anyone who has access to this book. The fact is accurate, and it actually says nothing like what you said in the edit summary; Ben-Gurion was not acting illegally, he merely did not have the legal authority to issue such an order. For example, today I can issue an order to establish a new military unit, and there would be nothing illegal about publishing such a paper, but it wouldn't be worth anything. I will make an explanation for you (translated from the book by me):

[...] Based on the State Council law about the founding of armed forces (paragraph 18), and the declaration of an emergency, Ben-Gurion decided to bring forward to the government the "Israel Defense Forces" order, including five paragraphs [...] This move by Ben-Gurion was a deviation in the field of legislation, because the proper procedure required bringing [the order] into law in one of two ways: publishing the order after a legislation procedure by the legislature, or publishing the order as an emergency regulation. However, from lack of parliamentary experience, and due to the pressures of time and circumstances, Ben-Gurion preferred that the government would conduct the legislative procedure, while the legislative body would approve the order in retrospect, i.e. ex post facto.

I am not going to translate two more pages where this is elaborated ad nauseam (this book by Ostfeld isn't that interesting to be honest). However, basically Ben-Gurion was right and the order was approved ex post facto and published by the government on May 31, 1948, the official founding date of the IDF. — Ynhockey ^{( Talk)} 00:49, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Point taken. Illegal was not what the text said. I'm still a little vague as to when the Provisional Government did get its legal authority. Elections? But thank you for the translation. Are the five paragraphs of the IDF Order:

1 Establishment of IDF,

2 Conscription,

3 Oath,

4 Prohibition of other force,

5 Order to be carried out by Minister of Defence.? I'm reading up on Agranat and the IDF Order comes up. Padres Hana ( talk) 22:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi again! The paragraphs are indeed what you listed. In fact, I have mistranslated Ostfeld, and she writes "five main paragraphs" which explains why in fact there were 8 paragraphs (I have taken the time to look at the original order only now). It can also be found here. Cheers, Ynhockey ^{( Talk)} 03:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Looking at your link paragraph 5 seems to refer to the UN Partition Resolution? I can't get google to translate the Hebrew. Frustration! Padres Hana ( talk) 16:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Padres Hana. I saw one of your edit in this article. In fact, during the Civil war, around 350,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled. 100,000 between 1/12 and 1/4, mainly "voluntary", fearing the consequence of the war ; 300-350,000 between 1/4 and 15 mai during the yishuv offensive just before the end of the mandate. 81.240.123.174 ( talk) 14:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought it was more - Jaffa and Haifa alone makes around 120,000. If you can supply good references it would help - the wording was removed anyway. As was the description of the second phase - which I was quite pleased with. O well. I'm hoping to start a section: Why did the Yeshuv win? (Where to begin?) Thanks for your figures. Padres Hana ( talk) 21:08, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I answered to your question about "why did the Yishuv win" in the talk page.

You missed my point :

From 1/12/47 to 1/4/48 : around 100,000 became refugees

From 1/4/48 to 11/6/48 : around 200,000 to 250,000 became refugees.

So, From 1/12/47 to 11/6/48 (whole civil war) : around 300,000 to 350,000 became refugees.

I think you had written 100,000 for that period.

References is Morris, the Birth, but you can find others in the articles dealing with these events (1947-1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine ; 1948 Palestinian Exodus).

I answered to your question on the talk page of the article.

81.244.167.24 ( talk) 07:15, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi Padres Hana! I noticed that you uploaded File:Palmach 1a.jpg and said that it's "Probably 8th Armoured Brigade. Possibly 7th.". Can you point to the exact URL of the image online? Usually the Palmach has a lot of details on its images, and even if not, it's always possible to e-mail them (they have been responsive so far). Thanks, Ynhockey ^{( Talk)} 18:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Apologies: its from Album Yitzhak Sadeh 2, page 47, Image 2449, Joram Field. www.palmach.org.il - I will update the file details. Padres Hana ( talk) 17:55, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

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I have but one response: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1dscb_they-might-be-giants-istanbul-tiny_shortfilms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nsfreeman ( talk • contribs) 22:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Not a fan of the Toons. When Ben Gurion wrote to his mum, (if he did), was it dear mum I'm in Istanbul, or was it I'm in Constantinople? Or the equivalent in Hebrew? Wiki article says something derived from Constantinople was the Hebrew usage into 20th century. I don't think 1953 lyrics to the tune putting on the Ritz, with some odd stereotype images of Turks, convinces me that Constantinople had not been used for 400 years. Padres Hana ( talk) 11:27, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, that attempt at humor failed…

Feel free to change the article to whatever you like. I only removed the reference to Constantinople because it did not seem relevant. You wouldn’t say, “Woody Allen was born in New York (formerly New Amsterdam),” so why would we say “Ben Gurion was in Istanbul (formerly Constantinople)”? If you disagree, fine. Change it back. No biggie.

As for your point about what the city was referred to during the time that Ben Gurion was there, I think that’s a really interesting question, but I don’t think it changes how an encyclopedia article about Ben Gurion should be written (though it might be a topic for the article on Istanbul). The city had been called Istanbul since 1453. If I wrote a letter saying, “Hey Mum, I’m in New Amsterdam,” that wouldn’t make New York into New Amsterdam, it would make me wrong.

Again, this is a very silly argument and I’m not really invested, however, it did give me an excuse to listen to They Might Be Giants. Now that I’ve done that, I’m pretty happy.

All the best, Nsfreeman ( talk) 16:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Padres Hana, I was actually just adding an infobox to Abdullah el Tell's article, and did not dig in depth of the exact dates, I appreciate your pride in that. Thanks again for the message. Jerash ( talk) 01:00, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Padres Hana! Thanks for the article. I have nominated it for merger though because I believe that this is precisely the information missing from the general 8th Brigade article which is in fairly bad condition. I hope you don't object to the merger, but in any case please state your opinion here. Cheers, Ynhockey ^{( Talk)} 15:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense. I just wanted somewhere to link up all the references. Padres Hana ( talk) 15:36, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

The region codes in {{ Coord}} are meant to indicate modern political entities, not historical ones.

When I first encountered the article I mistakenly assumed that Kfar Etzion was in modern-day Israel. Oops! When I saw your note, I re-examined the article and concluded that the coordinates are in the Palestinian territories, for which PS is the appropriate region code. I've corrected my edit.

Thank you for pointing out my error. Best wishes, — Stepheng3 ( talk) 14:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on the political situation, but according to the article, Ramallah is in the West Bank which is part of the Palestinian territories, so region: PS would apply, I think. — Stepheng3 ( talk) 23:04, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I fixed {{ Infobox Palestinian Authority municipality}}, so the region code will be PS for all articles using that template from now on. — Stepheng3 ( talk) 01:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

You're probably right. However, the region: codes in Coord are somewhat unimportant and nearly invisible, so if the political status of the place is disputed (or if it lies on an international border, as many mountain peaks do) I'd be reluctant to engage in an edit war over it.— Stepheng3 ( talk) 18:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I think Al-Issawiya is "in" Israel. Chesdovi ( talk) 22:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. I've not made up my mind. As a rule of thumb I am going by if it was captured in 1967 it wasn't/isn't in Israel. I have the seen the argument that Al-Issawiya was part of the Mount Scopus enclave. But where does it say that Mount Scopus is in "Israel"? The whole region: thing is an inconsistent mess. Particularly with West Bank kibbutzs and Jerusalem neighbourhoods. I would be grateful for guidelines. Padres Hana ( talk) 16:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Mount Scopus was in pre-67 Israel. Chesdovi ( talk) 17:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I saw your message over at Talk:Nokdim about the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 region code. The Template:Infobox Israel village seems to be implementing a subset of the settlement infobox together with some extra attributes. Although it includes the coordinates_region attribute it's hardcoding it as "| coordinates_region = IL" which is obviously invalid for locations outside the green line. Not sure what should be done about that. Sean.hoyland - talk 20:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, can you provide an exact quote from the book by Felicia Langer regarding "reputation for extreme sentences, beyond those asked for by prosecutors, including the death penalty"? I find that claim strange, since there is no capital punishment in Israel (except for Adolph Eichmann). Furthermore she cannot be considered a secondary source unrelated to the subject, since she was directly involved in court cases with him and obviously did not like this person. See for example States of Fantasy By Jacqueline Rose, p. 24. Marokwitz ( talk) 05:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Page 124: under heading MAJOR YEHOSHUA BEN-ZION: Attorney Langer describes taking on the case of Faruq Abd al-Shani Ahram, graduate of Amman University, accused of membership of the PFLP and having "talked with two other people about the Front." Langer states that at this time, 1973, the court in Hebron was giving people on similar charges sentences from six to twelve months. "When I was told the president of the court would be Major Yehoshua Ben-Zion I knew I would have to fight hard to get the result I wanted. The judge was know for the death sentences he had imposed 'voluntarily', without being asked to do so by the prosecutor." [I agree there have been no judicial executions apart from Eichmann - but I have seen (reference currently misplaced) a newspaper report of a Palestinian being sentenced to death. I presume the sentence was reduced on appeal]. Langer describes a character witness for the defence: Zalman David, former member of the Irgun. He was ready to be responsible for the defendant and find him a job. The witness said the defendant's family had helped him and his family during the mandate and that they should be "counted with the just amongst the Gentiles". The judge sentenced Faruq to ten years in prison. "The sentence shocked even the prosecutor, for that was the maximum punishment for membership of an illegal organisation, generally given to peoples who had carried out operations, or to long-standing and important members of the organisation, people considered as its leaders." Someone in the court shouted "Felicia, the sentence is actually against you."

"The Appeals Military Court reduced Faruq's sentence from ten to five years. That was still a stiff sentence. The arguements for accepting the appeal expressed open criticism of the Lydda Military Court and of the sentence which had been read by its president, Yehoshua Ben-Zion." Langer goes on to add: "As far as I know , he is a member of the Greater Israel movement. In all his sentences (and this I criticised in the appeal) the word "Israel" never appears. It is always 'the Land of Israel.'" Padres Hana ( talk) 14:28, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to copy these paragraphs. Still, since Langer is personally involved and biased, we really must insist a reliable, secondary and balanced source. I'll try to search for other sources. Marokwitz ( talk) 19:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

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Based on your comments on the article's talk page, it seems that you do recognize that close paraphrasing is an issue with the article. Generally, when copyright violations have occurred there are three remedies: speedy deletion, the copyvio tag, which I used, or the close paraphrasing tag which keeps the content visible. The last option is only used when it is clear that the content does not infringe copyright, which is not the case here. (See: Template:Close paraphrasing). Of the remaining two options, speedy deletion or the copyvio template, which temporarily hides content until it can be cleaned up, I would say that my actions were the least heavy handed. If you feel differently, I'd recommend posting at Wikipedia talk:Copyright problems, which tends to be watched by the most experienced editors in this area. GabrielF ( talk) 16:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

The options are described in the last 3 paragraphs of Wikipedia:Copyright_violations#Dealing_with_copyright_violations. They include "the infringing content should be removed". Sean.hoyland - talk 17:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Padres Hanna, I often think of you by the way when I drive by that town ... I've followed your contribs with interest and gratitude for some time now. As to your question, I'm not sure what to do. For Hebron glass, I just now reated a temporary page by clicking on the link provided on the copyright page teplacing the main article. I'm working on paraphrasing the text less closely there in the hope that it will be reviewed and reinstated. Zero0000 went ahead and made changes to Defence Emergency Regulations directly at the main page and reinstted the article himself, but he is an administrator, so perhaps he is entitled to do that, whereas we may not be. I suggest you do as I am doing, and I will help you with it there. It does seem rather petty yes, and yes someone from the site did edit the article and thanked me for my work on it, so there seems to be no problem, but I'm trying to avoid stirring trouble since there are some people who would like very much that I do and get sanctioned for it. Thanks you for your interest and help. Tiamut ^talk 17:04, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your message and sorry for the late reply. I hope. when Huldra gets her hands on Weir's book we will be able to do more. And when I have more time I'll add a few more things too. Nice to see you around this area on wiki and know you appreciate it in real life too. Happy trails. Tiamut ^talk 18:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate the work you've been putting in to rewriting this. It's a good article, aside from the copying problems, and deserves to be salvaged. Some of the others, nobody has bothered to work on at all.

I've fully protected the article, though, and just wanted to explain why; the rewrite should be done at the temporary space, not on the article itself. As the template blanking the article says, we are not to "restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent." Once the rewrite is in condition that it can be used, it will be merged with the existing article, so there's no reason to do the redundant labor, and focusing efforts on the page where they belong helps us to avoid any issue of one page not being updated when another one is.

Anyway, I'll go see how the rewrite is comparing to the source in question. At a glance, your rewrites are looking very good. :) -- Moonriddengirl ^(talk)

Okay, it is going nicely, but there are a few areas that are still close the source, I'm afraid. It is very hard to rewrite an article like this one in this way to eliminate derivative work. :/

The duplication detector flags these passages as needing to be reworked:

I think if those sections are thoroughly rewritten, that the bulk of copying issues from this source will be eliminated, but I'd have to run a final check to be sure of that.

Not to discourage you, though, but this doesn't even begin to deal with any copying issues from [2]. :/ I haven't run the report on that, but I can see immediately that issues seem to exist with that source as well. For instance, the first passage of that page reads as follows:

Garments were similar in construction to those in Galilee, with the wearing of long and short Turkish style jackets over the more common thob. Thobs for daily wear were often made of white cotton or linen, with a preference for winged sleeves. Summer costumes often incorporated interwoven striped bands of red, green and yellow on both front and back, with applique and braidwork popular for decoration on the chest panel.

Our article says:

Garments were similar in construction to those in Galilee, with the wearing of both long and short Turkish style jackets over the thob. For daily wear, thobs were often made of white cotton or linen, with a preference for winged sleeves. In the summer, costumes often incorporated interwoven striped bands of red, green and yellow on the front and back, with appliqué and braidwork popularly decorating the qabbeh

I'm afraid that at least the whole Northern Palestine section of our article is derivative on that page, and there is likely to be substantial issues with other sections as well.

The website said the following: "The contents of this website, including all images and text, are for personal, educational and non commercial use only. The contents of this site may not be reproduced in any form without the permission of the Palestine Costume Archive." Do you know if anybody has approached these people to try to ask them for permission? I realize that since the website is no longer active, it may be difficult to touch base with them, but they do seem to exist, over here. Their current contact address seems to be palestinecostumearchivegmail.com. It's important, though, that they'd need to know that they would have to release the material under our license, which does allow commercial reuse. They may be okay with it, if it only applies to text. (The form they would use to verify is at Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries.)

(I'm going to copy this over to the talk page of the article as well, since others with interest in the subject may be able to help!) -- Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:28, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Great work Padres. That page was long overdue. Oncenawhile ( talk) 23:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Padres, thanks for adding this picture of the al-Istiqlal founders. One question though, you write the picture was taken in 1923, is this is a typo? I thought the party was founded in 1932. The latter date could also be wrong. Either way, we need to clarify this in both the picture and all the related articles. Regards, -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 23:50, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting my typo. 1932 is correct for this picture of the Palestinian Istiqlal. But there is room for confusion since I think the name was used by people in Damascus at the time of Faisal's attempt to establish a kingdom there - some of whom where from Palestine and became involved in the later group. Padres Hana ( talk) 08:36, 17 April 2013 (UTC)→

That always confused me. I too thought Istiqlal was indeed founded during the immediate aftermath of WWI, but apparently this was a different Istiqlal which was largely based on the members of Fatat like Shukri al-Quwatli of Syria and Darwaza in Palestine. Anyway, thanks for clearing it all up. -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 19:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

The same thing comes up with the Palestine Arab Congress. I think there was a Congress in Damascus which can be muddled with the ones that were held in Palestine. Keep up the good work. Padres Hana ( talk) 20:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, same to you ;) -- Al Ameer son ( talk) 23:06, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi. Those 1946 maps you are adding are nice, but they leave out quite a few locations we have articles for. Look at the 1944 maps here, they are also less blurry. Cheers. Zero ^talk 09:42, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello Zero. I think it is a useful addition to these small articles to put the village or kibbutz into context. i.e impression of contour; or its immediate neighbours not just xkm west of Safad. etc. I have followed up the link to the 1940s British OS map of the area. It is much better than the one I have. But I cannot figure out how to save and crop a small section. If I could use the OS map I would. Since I can't I would like to continue as is. Padres Hana ( talk) 19:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't thinking of the OS map, which is probably too large scale for general use. I was thinking of the 1944 maps (second last section of that page) which have a similar scale to your map but sharper and with more localities. Zero ^talk 01:43, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Dear 0000, Yes I missed the 1944 map. Plus I think I can use it. Much better. Many thanks. Padres Hana ( talk) 13:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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