I have manu charateristics about Hurricanes... do I put them on the variants sections? regards, gian piero -- Gian piero milanetti ( talk) 11:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
A new editor has been active in systematically changing all articles that pertain to Italian aircraft in World War II, see Fiat CR.42 Falco, Macchi C.200 Saetta, Macchi C.202 Folgore and Fiat G.50 Freccia as examples which I do not see as a problem. However, the same editor has also re-edited the Curtiss P-40, Supermarine Spitfire and Hawker Hurricane articles inserting contentious claims of superiority of Italian types. Each statement. albeit always referenced, refers to individual actions. There could possibly be a situation where an Italian biplane actually downed a more modern fighter but that does not really does not address the issue that the editor stated to me, i.e. in redressing the current view of Italian World War II combat aircraft as being inferior. He implicitly stated that a forty-year history of historians who saw Italian aviation in that light have to be challenged. I am sensing an intervention here... (LOL) FWiW, can some of the more experienced hands here take a look at the contributions of this editor Bzuk ( talk) 12:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
Hi MilborneOne! can you please handle this user (
user: GS350).
This person is ruining the Etihad article. Its like he is the owner of that page.
What ever edit he does , he does not even cite any references. he is arguing that Etihad has firm orders for 11 777-300ERs but i have shown him my reference (
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/displaystandardreport.cfm?cboCurrentModel=777&optReportType=AllModels&cboAllModel=777&ViewReportF=View+Report) that Etihad has 10 firm orders for 777-300ERs. he is not ready to believe. he writes anything without any references or sources (i have told him many times that if his info is correct then atleast he should show sources and references, BUT he just simply edits).
Now it has become simply Annoying.
Thanks (
Druid.raul (
talk) 14:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC))
Why do you keep deleting the history of KTHY. It might not be interesting to you but for people who want to learn about KTHY its interesting and educational.
Hi MilborneOne! I have noticed two common types of destination pages, e.g British Airways destinations and Aer Lingus destinations both have different formats. My question is, is there any rules on how destination pages are to be presented? Also, is it a policy to not have flags on the pages? Best Regards, Zaps93 ( talk) 10:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Earlier I uploaded this photo and you have deleted it regarding copyright problems. I have the email allowing me by the author to use it on wikipedia. Who should I forward this email to? Thanks robertwilliams2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertwilliams2009 ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Evening MilbourneOne. You know I've added a page on the Vickers Vellore and included in it a bit about the Vellox. I've redirected the latter to the new page and would like to add both types to the category:Vickers aircraft. "Category:Vickers aircraft|Vellore" sorts the first one, but when I add "Category:Vickers aircraft|Vellox" below, nothing further happens. I can see why this might be but have not yet found a work-around. Any thoughts? It must be a common problem (and have simple solution?). Cheers, TSRL ( talk) 19:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
You remember this topic? You were quick to remove the section on Opposition to the London City Airport. Even though Heathrow, Standstead all had a section dedicated to residents who were objecting to the airport.
I complained and you made addedd a tiny mention. So where did these lines go now?. You were quick to revert any mention of objections to the airport. But the one line that you yourself put in has been removed! Even a link to the campaign site does not exist. Nope Nothing!!!. So why were you not quick to revert their edits??
As mentioned this pages is controlled by pro-aviation people that don't give a toss about residents who have to live in misery and can't even open windows to enjoy a summer breaze.... If it is not the flights from the London City Airport, it is the 4.30am flights to Heathrow.....
I can't sell my home due the credit crunch....
You think any decision about expansion was made in honesty and integrity? Just look at the corrupt politicians and their expense claims! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.47.229 ( talk) 01:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Just been looking at your latest: good to see it logged. Couple of points: (minor) you have the 1973 ed of AJJ and quote p.392; whereas in my copy, still 2nd ed but "with corrections" (probably by his son) the Dolphin is on p.382. Dare I ask you to double check, as the numbers are so similar? More interesting is to look in AJJ's dH book (Putnam), published in 1978. In the 5 years he has got hold of two photos, rather tight ones of engine + undercarriage (showing that initially it had trousered fixed gear before the retractable). He also has got some drawings that show the span to be 50' 6", not the 53' 7" he quoted earlier, which he attributes to a contemporary press release. Finally he notes Geoffrey deH Jnr's log book as showing it only flew one more time. I'm happy to make these updates, which also include a length, but I thought you would be interested in the history of his discoveries. Since all sources are AJJ there is no clash of authors. TSRL ( talk) 20:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Milborne!
I follow your explanation, but the situation is less than satisfactory! When I looked up Timm in the "T" detailed aircraft manufacturers listing - "there it wasn't" ! I would have thought most people would look a type up under its manufacturer - "Avro Vulcan", "Douglas DC-3" etc etc !
My own planned new articles, US included, will continue to start with the makers name! I "got away" with that with the article on the Columbia JL - the JL is its US Navy designation. I now await retribution in due course from "over the water" ! RuthAS ( talk) 11:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I've just re-read the guidance notes. B-52, C141, F-15 may well work fine - but very few would know of N2T. That addition of "Tutor" (stolen from Avro!) doesnt really change its obscurity level! . . . . I'll just plough on in my own idiosyncratic way, trying to maintain clarity and ease-of-use for Wikipedia users! RuthAS ( talk) 12:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I saved an edit for the 14 - 19 victory section of List of World War I flying aces and the entire section disappeared. Much diligent work up the flue into never-never land.
Is it retrievable?
Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Georgejdorner ( talk) 19:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Due to my paucity of tech skills, you shall have to imagine the Great Catch Award:
A firemen's net surrounded by eager volunteers catching falling data headed for a smash. You, of course, are the volunteer wearing the Captain's hat.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 21:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, want to sort my discussion page so I got archives as it gotten to large, how do I do it like yours? Regards. Zaps93 ([[User talk:Zaps93|talk]]) 15:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi , it was (
User:Zaps93) who started the thing by calling me Selfish etc etc. i told him that we don't need so much info on Terminated destinations as its just making the article go unnecesarily long. Plus there were refercences for just 14 Terminated destinations out of the 90+ terminated destinations. It was he who started reverting endlessly. That "Racism" comment was not for him at all, He said that he had seen my talk page and told me that i had a lot of complaints. I said this "I have complaints only from some White Users because i made them Taste their own medicine of Racsim" because it was true, "White users means some european editors and NOT this Zaps93". This European user started the racsim thing with me related to Airbus A350 orders and deliveries long back so i had retaliated. Thats It.
I swear i won't do it again with any one except
User talk:Jasepl. This is the only "Thing" i want to attack because this Jasepl does not edit, he just reverts. After reverting other users edits every day and increasing his contributions by doing this, he shows himself as a Important Editor on Wikipedia. Look at his contributions page and you will find only Reverts and nothing else, Hardly any proper info he has given to any article except Reverting other people's edits who search the net trying to find information to update the article. Its really annoying sometimes.
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Druid.raul (
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Evening Milbourne. I've just been looking at your latest and comparing the article in London's Saro (Putnam) book. I'm still trying to untangle his type numbers etc, but two points for now, both about the specs. I think these are for the first machine, G-APNU, judging by the weights and if so I can add a little more detail. But did you mean de Havilland Gnome. In the description you have derated Turmo in agreement with London. Suspect 1000 hp would have wrecked the transmission! The two images are of the same aircraft, G-APNV incidentally. TSRL ( talk) 20:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
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Welshleprechaun ( talk) 23:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
A minor war is going on between me and an editor Zaps93 who previously edited under the username Joey Boeing 777, your reversals of his edits and instructions not to add flags may have led him to create this new identity under which by the way he had again stared adding flags to destinations lists of some airlines. Regarding FlyDubai the destination layout I'm doing will eventually look better since more destinations in various regions will be added and the list willl grow, the same style can be seen at Oman Air, the format of Zaps93 will start looking shabby since this style of listing isn't suited to a main article and only looks good in a seperate destinations page. 116.71.54.240 ( talk) 16:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey Milborne, just to let you know I put down my idea of how to present destinations on Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines/Destinations as you requested, please read what I have proposed. Best regards, Zaps93 ( talk) 18:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed you removed the link to Air France's twitter as per WP:EL Normally to be avoided #10.
However there is a caveat. The section clarifies: "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid:" - Therefore if this is Air France's official twitter, it would be allowed as per WP:EL - See Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Are you near Virgin Atlantic's headquarters? If so, would you like to photograph the headquarters and upload the photo to the Wikimedia commons? WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Milbourne. Noticed your tweak to the infobox image. I was in touch with BillC and suggested to him it must be XP984 as it seems to me to have a swept wing. Maybe it's the angle, but the first prototype XP831 had a straight trailing edge. Double check? TSRL ( talk) 12:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Can you have a look at Westland Wizard? A peer review has been requested for the article, and on looking at it, the three photos appeared to be suspect (which I have tagged as possibly unfree) and large chunks of the text seems suspiciously similar to This article in Fight. This may need the attention of an admin to check on any copyvio issues. Nigel Ish ( talk) 18:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello MilborneOne, please could you source, how you reduced the LAN Airlines fleet by arround 20 planes? I follow the evolution of the LAN fleet for years know, and even I admit I cannot tell you exactly the size of the fleet, I am quite sure they have not reduced their fleet that dramatically as you indicated (58 planes). Could you source a valid and reliable source, and if not, undo it to the old value. Thanks in advance. -- 81.210.144.26 ( talk) 21:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I have no problem replacing the whole brochure with a smaller image. If one can be found, with a suitable license.
I've been looking. So far nobody (including Bushmaster or Magpul) has released a PD or CC or GFDL image of the current rifle that I can find, despite them showing it off at SHOT shows and test ranges and so forth.
It's replaceable, but should be held on to as is until a replacement is actually available. And I'm looking. Trust me, I've been looking. The brochure's images aren't very good. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I have been trying to build a consensus on development of Forward Air Control. There is a Gordian knot of military terms that needs untangling: Forward air control (airborne); Forward air control (ground), a.k.a Joint Terminal Attack Controller; Air Liaison Officer. There is also a rush by writers with differing viewpoints (self included) to build the article, each to their own design. The result is becoming the classic definition of a camel; a horse designed by committee.
I do not wish to get into an edit war or some other kind of spitting contest. I do want this article to be clear, informative, and focused.
I believe a senior Wikipedist's intervention is needed, for the good of the work. Please intervene.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 05:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Reply to your reaction posted on Forward air control talk page. Georgejdorner ( talk) 19:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the edit protection. Maybe we can all cool down and quit working at cross purposes.
I have posted a suggestion for developing the article on the talk page.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 18:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I am unsure of how to work under edit protection. However, I have developed a replacement for the Vietnam War history section on my user page; it is a better fuller piece than that which I previously posted. I invite your comments on it.
Now, as to how I could post it...do I invite the others working on the article to read and/or critique it first? Or can I just ask you to post it?
I will note that it contradicts the present lead about the subject of FACs and air interdiction. However, I can't change history.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 04:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
So I posted the replacement article, and it was promptly reverted back out, with a snarky little comment on the talk page.
I'm getting pretty disgusted with the incivility on that talk page, whether it's NetherSarum being condescending to Cyclopaedic, or THMPin making a wisecrack about my writing a monograph on my own war experiences. If the Wikipedia rules on civility aren't being violated there, the spirit sure is.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Milbone,
I was re-reading your suggestion that Forward air control become part of Close air support.
The problem with that approach is that close air support is often (but not always) guided by forward air control, so they are not truly congruent. The other problem is that forward air control has been used to direct air interdiction missions (as against the Ho Chi Minh Trail), or even strategic bombing (re: World War II Pathfinders).
That having been said, I realize your suggestion illustrates the lack of distinction in the forward air control article.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Please direct your content discussion to A question of external links. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 11:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC).
If you have a look at File:PLAN-kj2000-inflight.jpeg, you can see that it was only uploaded in the last couple of days. Yet this website has not been updated since January. This provides further evidence in my view that the user is using other people's works and pretending they're his own.
When will you start deleting images if he doesn't provide evidence that they're his? John Smith's ( talk) 14:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the info on the AOP.9M. I was thinking about production numbers (the Simpson/Airlife number is 182 and the old Wiki number 145. Do you think www.worldairforces.com is citable? It has 2 x SA machines (from 1957-67), 4 x Hong Kong (65-71) and 35 Indian (55-81). A possible interpretation, given that the AOP.9 was out of production by 1965 is that the HK aircraft were second hand, making overseas sales 37. If the UK had 145, then the total production would be 182. This is just speculation until we have a reliable source; any thoughts? Wikipedia agrees with worldairforces numbers and dates for HK but cites no source! TSRL ( talk) 21:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
So the highest known msn is 188 but I ma not sure that indicated how many were built! but that is 145 AOP9 and 1 AOP11 for the RAF/AAC. Strange I cant find anything on the Indian or South African machines and I am not sure how reliable worldairforces is but that would give 145+35+2 = 182 but if XR271 was msn 188 ? Clear as mud I think. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The Jefford cites on Squadrons are useful: does he have anything on their use with 653 Squadron (at present dependent on a personal recollection ref; hard to disbelieve) or any support for the assertions about the Malayan ops of 656? TSRL ( talk) 19:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey MilborneOne, just to let you know there is edits taking place on Astraeus' fleet, other users state there is 2 Boeing 737-300's on lease to Seagle Air but I keep changing it to show that there isn't, due to the fact, CAA states there is no -300 aircraft. Any suggestions about this? Regards. Zaps93 ( talk) 21:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi MilborneOne, i have been thinking of spltting the Emirates airline article into 4 or 5 smaller more specific articles, so that the article doesn't get too long. At the moment the size is about 106 kilobytes. I'd like to bring this down to 70 - 80 kilobytes without deleting or losing any information. Recently someone did make try to make the article smaller but removed more than 30 kilobytes and really degraded the quality of the article. What do you think? ( MoHasanie ( talk) 16:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)).
Sorry, but this guy is becoming a pest and he dosent even have a profile how can you call him editor? he should let others decide how they want to maintain their respective national airlines related articles, as long as it conforms to wikipedia standards and does not constitue blatant vandalism. There is no rule in wikipedia stating which destinations can be listed and which cant as long as they have a reference. 116.71.39.150 ( talk) 19:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi MilborneOne. I agree we do not need the same fleet table on the main article, but there should be one. Because it is much more simple and easier to follow. Those who would lile to see more detials world go to the main article. Many airlines have this. Malysia airline, Singapore airlines, they all keep a much more simple table in the main article, and have a much more detailed one in the seperate fleet article. So, i say bring back the fleet table, but have it more simple. In fact, the one i had used, summarised the routes section, and i removed 3 columns.
( MoHasanie ( talk) 20:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)).
MilborneOne i don't understand why no one has looked at the Emirates article. Is it that bad, because i think its quite good, atleast a B class, and possibly an A or FL class. What do you think of the article? Please give me some advice on imrpoving the article.
I beleive though the article is complete. Everything is sourced, their links to media files, lots of images which have no copyright issues, and its easy to naviagte through. It also has quite a good introduction. Should i nominate it as a Featured article candidate.( MoHasanie ( talk) 19:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)).
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Evening MilbourneOne. I've just been looking at the specifications on the Heston Racer page, which I think you originated and sourced from BCA 1974. My ed. of that is 1960, but the figures you quote are the same in it. Since then we have acquired a wing area via Bzuk, which is the same as that given at ref 1, the web page, though there is no ref. Also the hp has been creeping up, from Jackson's "derated" 2300 to 2450 in Bzuk (plausible but uncited). Later Gruntguru (no talk page) briefly put it up to 3000+, before returning to 2450+, though he mentions a figure of 4000 hp in modified text. I've put a cn against the latter and inadvertently removed the + signs before I realised what they meant. I'm worried that the numbers are drifting away from those in the source we are claiming for them: adding numbers that weren't there seems fine so long as they get a separate cite (I've done this often enough), but if the cited source says e.g the span is 33 ft (made up) as part of a set of dimensions, it requires (it seems to me) some good reason for changing it, even with cites let alone without. A footnote (X gives a figure of 33.5 ft) might do. Otherwise we lose integrity.
I guess the question is if to revert (the powers, as the WA was not given originally) to your first numbers. Could chat about this to Bzuk but not to Gruntguru. Like many of my novice queries, this must be old ground!
Final, separate newbie Q: is there policy on photos of models (aircraft, that is)? I can see we might get flooded out and have no intention of doing this, though I guess some might argue that in the absence of a ga diagram and/or photo of the real thing, an image of a good model helps the reader to imagine the aircraft. I ask since I noted a model pic on the Tipsy Junior page; there the model image pre-dates RuthAs's photo. TSRL ( talk) 19:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I have to draw exception to your omission of James Harrington as a notable member of No. 71 Eagle Squadron/ 334th Fighter Squadron. Harrington's death was noted in the obituaries of Time Magazine the week following his death. He is especially notable now because he happened to be an instrumental figure at a moment of history that directly influenced today's world events: Osama bin Laden's radical behavior is at least in part credited by the bin Laden family to his lack of having a father while growing up. What I did not include, and I know this intimately as a member of his extended family, is that at the time of their deaths Harrington was not actually employed by bin Laden. Harrington was employed by a certain well-known government entity to help ensure bin Laden's safety while in the air. He may not be Lindsey Lohan, but I do not believe it is sufficient to remove him simply because there's "no related article" on Harrington, and I feel his removal is especially insufficient on the grounds that he "doesn't seem notable" to you personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M L M 1950 ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Can you expand on why you think this link is not encyclopedic? Also before adding a welcoming tag please check the user's talk page. Newbies generally dont archive their talk pages.-- RadioFan ( talk) 14:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi MilborneOne! can you please see the Etihad article. These new users (
User Talk:AdamB4417,
Special:Contributions/84.69.100.71) are removing the A330-300 orders from the fleet info as if they themselves have cancelled the order on behalf of Etihad Airways. the airbus website cleary mentions that Etihad has orders for A330-300s. and also (
User:GS350) who seldomnly keeps on doing his past stuff again and again.
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Druid.raul (
talk) 18:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC))
I think this so called editor is now going overboard and is deliberately targetting my work by keeping track of it, kindly tell him to control himself, he's not even a wiki editor like you and others that I should accept his doings, even I can create a username with no profile and start editing like him, that does make me like you and others, in his talk page most people have posted with comments criticising him, unless hes deleted those. 116.71.55.13 ( talk) 18:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
User MilborneOne is there a rule about a user erasing his talk page? Because User:Ericthebrainiac erased his talk page. ( MoHasanie ( talk) 18:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)).
Is it your philosophy to abide by this essay? I'm asking because you didn't in the Cathay Pacific article. ShondaLear ( talk) 20:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Are you aware that you are on the verge of violating WP:3RR concerning this article? You already have made three reversions there during the last 24 hours. ShondaLear ( talk) 21:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
What's the fuss all about? Nothing wrong with MilborneOne's edits on AF447... Thanks/ wangi ( talk) 11:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have found a photo of World War I ace Georges Madon at http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/H18059. I lack the tech skills to use it in his article. If you could move it over there...and maybe to Wiki commons...it would further the Wikipedia cause.
It is a pretty nice informal shot, in contrast to the posed PR shot presently atop the article.
Thank you, sir. Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have tried dubbing in this graphic with no success; I can't figure out how to do it. If you show me how to do it, then in the future... you know, don't slap a guy in the face with a trout, teach him how to fish. Please.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
You know, I had fiddled with the code and almost had that format. Guess I set the hook wrong, lol.
I moved the graphic to a point in the text that refers to Madon assuming command of a squadron of Spads because the graphic shows him leaning on the wing of his Spad. A caption stating such would work so nicely, and once again, I am unknowing. But educable.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 23:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your note! I just went for the shortest template title that wasn't already in use, just to make it quicker to type. - Ahunt ( talk) 21:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Like the section header; should be encouraged. Think many articles, in Survivors sections blur the (important, in my view) difference between the flying and the dead. TSRL ( talk) 21:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for adding the reference for the 37 years sentence. I was going to look for one, but you beat me to it. :) Keep up the good work. - Fnlayson ( talk) 21:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice entry on the Rockwell Ranger 2000. Btw, have you run across any info on the Cessna 526 CitationJet JPATS entry? It was unique in being a wholly US design, and I'd love to see us get an article on it. - BillCJ ( talk) 21:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, thanks! - BillCJ ( talk) 21:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello - thanks for the note about this issue.
I've looked over the guidelines again and continue to believe my contributions comply. I agree with the principles behind these guidelines dealing with financial gain etc.
The web site to which the referenced articles link carry no adverts and show only pro-bono work. All commissioned work is carried on an entirely separate web site. For example I undertake work free of any charge whatsoever providing families living abroad images of graves and inscriptions. Additionally a couple of my web pages are cited as educational resources. There is no pecuniary advantage - in fact there is an unmet cost in undertaking and maintaining this work. In these respects I share and behave several of the tenets of Wiki itself. My contributions also include a number of images placed directly in Wiki.
I guess what I'm asking is who makes and how are judgements given about notions of self-promotion and self-interest. In the absence of any financial gain (and although its not productive to do so) how do you assess the motives of any contributor to Wiki whose contributions are anything more than anonymous?
In respect of my web site links to which you refer it seems to me the strength of self promotion and self interest is no stronger than in the case of contributors to Wiki who post photographs requiring attribution. I have seen many images on the web and occasionally in other media carrying images displaying the wiki source and contributors name. You yourself have an extraordinary collection of aircraft images posted for which naturally you wish your contribution recognised and which you make clear in absolute terms.
Look forward to your thoughts and response to the questions posed. Best wishes, WyrdLight —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrdlight ( talk • contribs) 09:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Update: hello again MilborneOne - a follow up question. I've just undertaken a very cursory trawl of internet aircraft sites. It is possible to generate over 7 pages full of references to sites, articles and pages using the images for which you require attribution. I'd be interested to hear how you put this in the context of "self promotion"?
This is a genuine question which goes to the heart of Wiki. A majority of users whose work on Wiki I have considered do exactly this. I see nothing wrong or inappropriate in this behaviour myself.
However a purist view (not mine)could be that this level of self-advertising is inappropriate and could lead to contact with you by air industry specialists looking for specific images or information. If this has already happened or at that point are you then acting in contravention of the Wiki policy you've quoted? This may not involve any payment, but it would be clear that such contact and indeed the degree of usage of your images and the resulting self-promotion has arisen only through Wiki.
Clearly there is a balance to be struck here as it seems rather onerous to expect every image uploaded by contributors to be considered for acceptance through the talk page. The usual mechanisms of rabid public scrutiny seem sufficient!
But that brings me to the issue of uninformed intervention. For example - your note about my link concerning the Brookwood Military Cemetery states there is no need to have a link to all / another cemetery. You couldn't have examined the site for as now stated on the talk page this cemetery is something of a microcosm of participating allied forces and shows something of the contribution of ethnic minorities and muslims to that war effort.
Look forward to your response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrdlight ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello - thanks for the response to part 1. Although I make image submissions to Wiki directly the issue arose about a link to a significant body of work some of which is not in any case replicable on Wiki. This is not an issue about a single image (and see above the grey line Wiki paints) but a link to several hundreds of images organised in a body of work.
Although I don't profit from submissions to Wiki there is also an inherent hypocrisy (these are not comments about you, but about Wiki) about a policy which seemingly portrays concerns about "self promotion" while requiring that works provided free are available for commercial exploitation without regard to the labour involved in their creation. One signs up on the basis of providing works accordingly (the free encyclopedia) but pursuit of such a policy where there are no obvious advantages (adverts onward links etc etc) seems contradictory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrdlight ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Not re-naming as such, moving which is the proper way so that history etc. goes with it. I stumbled on The Avro list of aircraft which were not in any standard format for article titles. I have attempted to rectify this, i think successfully. I didn't feel that there was any need for discussion as i was only adding relevant info into the title and/or tidying up messy re-directs and the like. If you don't like what I have done then revert it, or do you feel the need for discussion? Petebutt ( talk) 08:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not into joining project groups or long discussions with other editors, because other (archiving) projects often take my attention away from WP. However, I am often very teed orf about incorrect naming. For example, as far as I know, the T-33 is not, nor ever has been named the Shooting Star (see T-33 talk page). Today, I found that perhaps the majority of Lockheed articles are incorrectly named. None of the names beginning L. or L- are correct, except for the L-1011 series and the L-100 'marketing' numbers for Hercules. Obviously, a big article renaming exercise would be needed if a consensus can be reached. Can you help push the subject forward? MTIA. PeterWD ( talk) 18:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, won't do it again then TEA14 ( talk) 07:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hi MilborneOne! User:Jasepl has recently began changing destination pages to his favored choices, especially Terminated, now I'm not pointing finger here but I believe his edits live on reverts. He has recently began changing my hard worked edits on Bulgaria Air destinations/terminated destinations section. Now this has really annoyed me so I have decided to take futher action and am asking you for your help and opinions as you are a wiki administrator. Please go to the Terminated/Former Destinations and have a look at what I have suggested. Hope you can help! Regards, Zaps93 ( talk) 13:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
See this diff, associated article edits, and the restoration of comments I deleted on my own talk page here. Any suggestions on further action would be welcome, in private if necessary. Thanks. - BillCJ ( talk) 14:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your Edit, while I bow to your superior experience, but I’m still a little mystified as to why you’ve taken important data out, leaving a much less valuable item. I will of course leave the edit as it is, but I’m more than a little puzzled & confused as to your reasons.
You have changed 801 but not 800, this is very inconsistent this seems a bit personal
The Falklands war is the subject of much study because of its compactness & names bring this home.
I've seen the topic, my own view is that if nobody comments I put it back...
Point taken, but I must express my objection to such a draconian step. There were only 6 Phoenix built, and the text and photo already mention some of them in a very sloppy and unhelpful way. In this case, details can only help clarify a small piece of history. PeterWD ( talk) 19:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Evening MilborneOne: I was thinking about a new engine article on the W- and Y-type 3 cylinder Anzanis, as used by Bleriot cross-channel. This started life as a motorbike engine, as
nicely shows, with Alessandro a bonus. However the Commons commentary says this image should not be used until reviewed: how does one encourage such a review? TSRL ( talk) 21:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks TSRL ( talk) 09:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem with your declining. I saw the first sentence (leading rose grower) and thought it might have been put up by someone with a COI as an advert. I see from your references that they are indeed notable. I should have checked. Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey MilborneOne! I read what you said about your revert on -800 operators but I'm confused, what do you mean merge the two? Please reply! Thank You. Zaps93 ( talk) 18:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I have manu charateristics about Hurricanes... do I put them on the variants sections? regards, gian piero -- Gian piero milanetti ( talk) 11:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
A new editor has been active in systematically changing all articles that pertain to Italian aircraft in World War II, see Fiat CR.42 Falco, Macchi C.200 Saetta, Macchi C.202 Folgore and Fiat G.50 Freccia as examples which I do not see as a problem. However, the same editor has also re-edited the Curtiss P-40, Supermarine Spitfire and Hawker Hurricane articles inserting contentious claims of superiority of Italian types. Each statement. albeit always referenced, refers to individual actions. There could possibly be a situation where an Italian biplane actually downed a more modern fighter but that does not really does not address the issue that the editor stated to me, i.e. in redressing the current view of Italian World War II combat aircraft as being inferior. He implicitly stated that a forty-year history of historians who saw Italian aviation in that light have to be challenged. I am sensing an intervention here... (LOL) FWiW, can some of the more experienced hands here take a look at the contributions of this editor Bzuk ( talk) 12:55, 1 May 2009 (UTC).
Hi MilborneOne! can you please handle this user (
user: GS350).
This person is ruining the Etihad article. Its like he is the owner of that page.
What ever edit he does , he does not even cite any references. he is arguing that Etihad has firm orders for 11 777-300ERs but i have shown him my reference (
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/displaystandardreport.cfm?cboCurrentModel=777&optReportType=AllModels&cboAllModel=777&ViewReportF=View+Report) that Etihad has 10 firm orders for 777-300ERs. he is not ready to believe. he writes anything without any references or sources (i have told him many times that if his info is correct then atleast he should show sources and references, BUT he just simply edits).
Now it has become simply Annoying.
Thanks (
Druid.raul (
talk) 14:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC))
Why do you keep deleting the history of KTHY. It might not be interesting to you but for people who want to learn about KTHY its interesting and educational.
Hi MilborneOne! I have noticed two common types of destination pages, e.g British Airways destinations and Aer Lingus destinations both have different formats. My question is, is there any rules on how destination pages are to be presented? Also, is it a policy to not have flags on the pages? Best Regards, Zaps93 ( talk) 10:07, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Earlier I uploaded this photo and you have deleted it regarding copyright problems. I have the email allowing me by the author to use it on wikipedia. Who should I forward this email to? Thanks robertwilliams2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertwilliams2009 ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Evening MilbourneOne. You know I've added a page on the Vickers Vellore and included in it a bit about the Vellox. I've redirected the latter to the new page and would like to add both types to the category:Vickers aircraft. "Category:Vickers aircraft|Vellore" sorts the first one, but when I add "Category:Vickers aircraft|Vellox" below, nothing further happens. I can see why this might be but have not yet found a work-around. Any thoughts? It must be a common problem (and have simple solution?). Cheers, TSRL ( talk) 19:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
You remember this topic? You were quick to remove the section on Opposition to the London City Airport. Even though Heathrow, Standstead all had a section dedicated to residents who were objecting to the airport.
I complained and you made addedd a tiny mention. So where did these lines go now?. You were quick to revert any mention of objections to the airport. But the one line that you yourself put in has been removed! Even a link to the campaign site does not exist. Nope Nothing!!!. So why were you not quick to revert their edits??
As mentioned this pages is controlled by pro-aviation people that don't give a toss about residents who have to live in misery and can't even open windows to enjoy a summer breaze.... If it is not the flights from the London City Airport, it is the 4.30am flights to Heathrow.....
I can't sell my home due the credit crunch....
You think any decision about expansion was made in honesty and integrity? Just look at the corrupt politicians and their expense claims! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.47.229 ( talk) 01:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Just been looking at your latest: good to see it logged. Couple of points: (minor) you have the 1973 ed of AJJ and quote p.392; whereas in my copy, still 2nd ed but "with corrections" (probably by his son) the Dolphin is on p.382. Dare I ask you to double check, as the numbers are so similar? More interesting is to look in AJJ's dH book (Putnam), published in 1978. In the 5 years he has got hold of two photos, rather tight ones of engine + undercarriage (showing that initially it had trousered fixed gear before the retractable). He also has got some drawings that show the span to be 50' 6", not the 53' 7" he quoted earlier, which he attributes to a contemporary press release. Finally he notes Geoffrey deH Jnr's log book as showing it only flew one more time. I'm happy to make these updates, which also include a length, but I thought you would be interested in the history of his discoveries. Since all sources are AJJ there is no clash of authors. TSRL ( talk) 20:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Milborne!
I follow your explanation, but the situation is less than satisfactory! When I looked up Timm in the "T" detailed aircraft manufacturers listing - "there it wasn't" ! I would have thought most people would look a type up under its manufacturer - "Avro Vulcan", "Douglas DC-3" etc etc !
My own planned new articles, US included, will continue to start with the makers name! I "got away" with that with the article on the Columbia JL - the JL is its US Navy designation. I now await retribution in due course from "over the water" ! RuthAS ( talk) 11:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I've just re-read the guidance notes. B-52, C141, F-15 may well work fine - but very few would know of N2T. That addition of "Tutor" (stolen from Avro!) doesnt really change its obscurity level! . . . . I'll just plough on in my own idiosyncratic way, trying to maintain clarity and ease-of-use for Wikipedia users! RuthAS ( talk) 12:06, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I saved an edit for the 14 - 19 victory section of List of World War I flying aces and the entire section disappeared. Much diligent work up the flue into never-never land.
Is it retrievable?
Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Georgejdorner ( talk) 19:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Due to my paucity of tech skills, you shall have to imagine the Great Catch Award:
A firemen's net surrounded by eager volunteers catching falling data headed for a smash. You, of course, are the volunteer wearing the Captain's hat.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 21:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, want to sort my discussion page so I got archives as it gotten to large, how do I do it like yours? Regards. Zaps93 ([[User talk:Zaps93|talk]]) 15:53, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi , it was (
User:Zaps93) who started the thing by calling me Selfish etc etc. i told him that we don't need so much info on Terminated destinations as its just making the article go unnecesarily long. Plus there were refercences for just 14 Terminated destinations out of the 90+ terminated destinations. It was he who started reverting endlessly. That "Racism" comment was not for him at all, He said that he had seen my talk page and told me that i had a lot of complaints. I said this "I have complaints only from some White Users because i made them Taste their own medicine of Racsim" because it was true, "White users means some european editors and NOT this Zaps93". This European user started the racsim thing with me related to Airbus A350 orders and deliveries long back so i had retaliated. Thats It.
I swear i won't do it again with any one except
User talk:Jasepl. This is the only "Thing" i want to attack because this Jasepl does not edit, he just reverts. After reverting other users edits every day and increasing his contributions by doing this, he shows himself as a Important Editor on Wikipedia. Look at his contributions page and you will find only Reverts and nothing else, Hardly any proper info he has given to any article except Reverting other people's edits who search the net trying to find information to update the article. Its really annoying sometimes.
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Druid.raul (
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Evening Milbourne. I've just been looking at your latest and comparing the article in London's Saro (Putnam) book. I'm still trying to untangle his type numbers etc, but two points for now, both about the specs. I think these are for the first machine, G-APNU, judging by the weights and if so I can add a little more detail. But did you mean de Havilland Gnome. In the description you have derated Turmo in agreement with London. Suspect 1000 hp would have wrecked the transmission! The two images are of the same aircraft, G-APNV incidentally. TSRL ( talk) 20:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
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A minor war is going on between me and an editor Zaps93 who previously edited under the username Joey Boeing 777, your reversals of his edits and instructions not to add flags may have led him to create this new identity under which by the way he had again stared adding flags to destinations lists of some airlines. Regarding FlyDubai the destination layout I'm doing will eventually look better since more destinations in various regions will be added and the list willl grow, the same style can be seen at Oman Air, the format of Zaps93 will start looking shabby since this style of listing isn't suited to a main article and only looks good in a seperate destinations page. 116.71.54.240 ( talk) 16:25, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey Milborne, just to let you know I put down my idea of how to present destinations on Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines/Destinations as you requested, please read what I have proposed. Best regards, Zaps93 ( talk) 18:49, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I noticed you removed the link to Air France's twitter as per WP:EL Normally to be avoided #10.
However there is a caveat. The section clarifies: "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid:" - Therefore if this is Air France's official twitter, it would be allowed as per WP:EL - See Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided WhisperToMe ( talk) 23:52, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Are you near Virgin Atlantic's headquarters? If so, would you like to photograph the headquarters and upload the photo to the Wikimedia commons? WhisperToMe ( talk) 03:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Milbourne. Noticed your tweak to the infobox image. I was in touch with BillC and suggested to him it must be XP984 as it seems to me to have a swept wing. Maybe it's the angle, but the first prototype XP831 had a straight trailing edge. Double check? TSRL ( talk) 12:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Can you have a look at Westland Wizard? A peer review has been requested for the article, and on looking at it, the three photos appeared to be suspect (which I have tagged as possibly unfree) and large chunks of the text seems suspiciously similar to This article in Fight. This may need the attention of an admin to check on any copyvio issues. Nigel Ish ( talk) 18:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hello MilborneOne, please could you source, how you reduced the LAN Airlines fleet by arround 20 planes? I follow the evolution of the LAN fleet for years know, and even I admit I cannot tell you exactly the size of the fleet, I am quite sure they have not reduced their fleet that dramatically as you indicated (58 planes). Could you source a valid and reliable source, and if not, undo it to the old value. Thanks in advance. -- 81.210.144.26 ( talk) 21:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
I have no problem replacing the whole brochure with a smaller image. If one can be found, with a suitable license.
I've been looking. So far nobody (including Bushmaster or Magpul) has released a PD or CC or GFDL image of the current rifle that I can find, despite them showing it off at SHOT shows and test ranges and so forth.
It's replaceable, but should be held on to as is until a replacement is actually available. And I'm looking. Trust me, I've been looking. The brochure's images aren't very good. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I have been trying to build a consensus on development of Forward Air Control. There is a Gordian knot of military terms that needs untangling: Forward air control (airborne); Forward air control (ground), a.k.a Joint Terminal Attack Controller; Air Liaison Officer. There is also a rush by writers with differing viewpoints (self included) to build the article, each to their own design. The result is becoming the classic definition of a camel; a horse designed by committee.
I do not wish to get into an edit war or some other kind of spitting contest. I do want this article to be clear, informative, and focused.
I believe a senior Wikipedist's intervention is needed, for the good of the work. Please intervene.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 05:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Reply to your reaction posted on Forward air control talk page. Georgejdorner ( talk) 19:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the edit protection. Maybe we can all cool down and quit working at cross purposes.
I have posted a suggestion for developing the article on the talk page.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 18:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I am unsure of how to work under edit protection. However, I have developed a replacement for the Vietnam War history section on my user page; it is a better fuller piece than that which I previously posted. I invite your comments on it.
Now, as to how I could post it...do I invite the others working on the article to read and/or critique it first? Or can I just ask you to post it?
I will note that it contradicts the present lead about the subject of FACs and air interdiction. However, I can't change history.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 04:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
So I posted the replacement article, and it was promptly reverted back out, with a snarky little comment on the talk page.
I'm getting pretty disgusted with the incivility on that talk page, whether it's NetherSarum being condescending to Cyclopaedic, or THMPin making a wisecrack about my writing a monograph on my own war experiences. If the Wikipedia rules on civility aren't being violated there, the spirit sure is.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 08:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Milbone,
I was re-reading your suggestion that Forward air control become part of Close air support.
The problem with that approach is that close air support is often (but not always) guided by forward air control, so they are not truly congruent. The other problem is that forward air control has been used to direct air interdiction missions (as against the Ho Chi Minh Trail), or even strategic bombing (re: World War II Pathfinders).
That having been said, I realize your suggestion illustrates the lack of distinction in the forward air control article.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Please direct your content discussion to A question of external links. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 11:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC).
If you have a look at File:PLAN-kj2000-inflight.jpeg, you can see that it was only uploaded in the last couple of days. Yet this website has not been updated since January. This provides further evidence in my view that the user is using other people's works and pretending they're his own.
When will you start deleting images if he doesn't provide evidence that they're his? John Smith's ( talk) 14:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the info on the AOP.9M. I was thinking about production numbers (the Simpson/Airlife number is 182 and the old Wiki number 145. Do you think www.worldairforces.com is citable? It has 2 x SA machines (from 1957-67), 4 x Hong Kong (65-71) and 35 Indian (55-81). A possible interpretation, given that the AOP.9 was out of production by 1965 is that the HK aircraft were second hand, making overseas sales 37. If the UK had 145, then the total production would be 182. This is just speculation until we have a reliable source; any thoughts? Wikipedia agrees with worldairforces numbers and dates for HK but cites no source! TSRL ( talk) 21:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
So the highest known msn is 188 but I ma not sure that indicated how many were built! but that is 145 AOP9 and 1 AOP11 for the RAF/AAC. Strange I cant find anything on the Indian or South African machines and I am not sure how reliable worldairforces is but that would give 145+35+2 = 182 but if XR271 was msn 188 ? Clear as mud I think. MilborneOne ( talk) 22:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The Jefford cites on Squadrons are useful: does he have anything on their use with 653 Squadron (at present dependent on a personal recollection ref; hard to disbelieve) or any support for the assertions about the Malayan ops of 656? TSRL ( talk) 19:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey MilborneOne, just to let you know there is edits taking place on Astraeus' fleet, other users state there is 2 Boeing 737-300's on lease to Seagle Air but I keep changing it to show that there isn't, due to the fact, CAA states there is no -300 aircraft. Any suggestions about this? Regards. Zaps93 ( talk) 21:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi MilborneOne, i have been thinking of spltting the Emirates airline article into 4 or 5 smaller more specific articles, so that the article doesn't get too long. At the moment the size is about 106 kilobytes. I'd like to bring this down to 70 - 80 kilobytes without deleting or losing any information. Recently someone did make try to make the article smaller but removed more than 30 kilobytes and really degraded the quality of the article. What do you think? ( MoHasanie ( talk) 16:31, 30 May 2009 (UTC)).
Sorry, but this guy is becoming a pest and he dosent even have a profile how can you call him editor? he should let others decide how they want to maintain their respective national airlines related articles, as long as it conforms to wikipedia standards and does not constitue blatant vandalism. There is no rule in wikipedia stating which destinations can be listed and which cant as long as they have a reference. 116.71.39.150 ( talk) 19:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi MilborneOne. I agree we do not need the same fleet table on the main article, but there should be one. Because it is much more simple and easier to follow. Those who would lile to see more detials world go to the main article. Many airlines have this. Malysia airline, Singapore airlines, they all keep a much more simple table in the main article, and have a much more detailed one in the seperate fleet article. So, i say bring back the fleet table, but have it more simple. In fact, the one i had used, summarised the routes section, and i removed 3 columns.
( MoHasanie ( talk) 20:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)).
MilborneOne i don't understand why no one has looked at the Emirates article. Is it that bad, because i think its quite good, atleast a B class, and possibly an A or FL class. What do you think of the article? Please give me some advice on imrpoving the article.
I beleive though the article is complete. Everything is sourced, their links to media files, lots of images which have no copyright issues, and its easy to naviagte through. It also has quite a good introduction. Should i nominate it as a Featured article candidate.( MoHasanie ( talk) 19:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)).
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Evening MilbourneOne. I've just been looking at the specifications on the Heston Racer page, which I think you originated and sourced from BCA 1974. My ed. of that is 1960, but the figures you quote are the same in it. Since then we have acquired a wing area via Bzuk, which is the same as that given at ref 1, the web page, though there is no ref. Also the hp has been creeping up, from Jackson's "derated" 2300 to 2450 in Bzuk (plausible but uncited). Later Gruntguru (no talk page) briefly put it up to 3000+, before returning to 2450+, though he mentions a figure of 4000 hp in modified text. I've put a cn against the latter and inadvertently removed the + signs before I realised what they meant. I'm worried that the numbers are drifting away from those in the source we are claiming for them: adding numbers that weren't there seems fine so long as they get a separate cite (I've done this often enough), but if the cited source says e.g the span is 33 ft (made up) as part of a set of dimensions, it requires (it seems to me) some good reason for changing it, even with cites let alone without. A footnote (X gives a figure of 33.5 ft) might do. Otherwise we lose integrity.
I guess the question is if to revert (the powers, as the WA was not given originally) to your first numbers. Could chat about this to Bzuk but not to Gruntguru. Like many of my novice queries, this must be old ground!
Final, separate newbie Q: is there policy on photos of models (aircraft, that is)? I can see we might get flooded out and have no intention of doing this, though I guess some might argue that in the absence of a ga diagram and/or photo of the real thing, an image of a good model helps the reader to imagine the aircraft. I ask since I noted a model pic on the Tipsy Junior page; there the model image pre-dates RuthAs's photo. TSRL ( talk) 19:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I have to draw exception to your omission of James Harrington as a notable member of No. 71 Eagle Squadron/ 334th Fighter Squadron. Harrington's death was noted in the obituaries of Time Magazine the week following his death. He is especially notable now because he happened to be an instrumental figure at a moment of history that directly influenced today's world events: Osama bin Laden's radical behavior is at least in part credited by the bin Laden family to his lack of having a father while growing up. What I did not include, and I know this intimately as a member of his extended family, is that at the time of their deaths Harrington was not actually employed by bin Laden. Harrington was employed by a certain well-known government entity to help ensure bin Laden's safety while in the air. He may not be Lindsey Lohan, but I do not believe it is sufficient to remove him simply because there's "no related article" on Harrington, and I feel his removal is especially insufficient on the grounds that he "doesn't seem notable" to you personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M L M 1950 ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Can you expand on why you think this link is not encyclopedic? Also before adding a welcoming tag please check the user's talk page. Newbies generally dont archive their talk pages.-- RadioFan ( talk) 14:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi MilborneOne! can you please see the Etihad article. These new users (
User Talk:AdamB4417,
Special:Contributions/84.69.100.71) are removing the A330-300 orders from the fleet info as if they themselves have cancelled the order on behalf of Etihad Airways. the airbus website cleary mentions that Etihad has orders for A330-300s. and also (
User:GS350) who seldomnly keeps on doing his past stuff again and again.
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Druid.raul (
talk) 18:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC))
I think this so called editor is now going overboard and is deliberately targetting my work by keeping track of it, kindly tell him to control himself, he's not even a wiki editor like you and others that I should accept his doings, even I can create a username with no profile and start editing like him, that does make me like you and others, in his talk page most people have posted with comments criticising him, unless hes deleted those. 116.71.55.13 ( talk) 18:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
User MilborneOne is there a rule about a user erasing his talk page? Because User:Ericthebrainiac erased his talk page. ( MoHasanie ( talk) 18:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)).
Is it your philosophy to abide by this essay? I'm asking because you didn't in the Cathay Pacific article. ShondaLear ( talk) 20:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Are you aware that you are on the verge of violating WP:3RR concerning this article? You already have made three reversions there during the last 24 hours. ShondaLear ( talk) 21:11, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
What's the fuss all about? Nothing wrong with MilborneOne's edits on AF447... Thanks/ wangi ( talk) 11:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have found a photo of World War I ace Georges Madon at http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/H18059. I lack the tech skills to use it in his article. If you could move it over there...and maybe to Wiki commons...it would further the Wikipedia cause.
It is a pretty nice informal shot, in contrast to the posed PR shot presently atop the article.
Thank you, sir. Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I have tried dubbing in this graphic with no success; I can't figure out how to do it. If you show me how to do it, then in the future... you know, don't slap a guy in the face with a trout, teach him how to fish. Please.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 06:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
You know, I had fiddled with the code and almost had that format. Guess I set the hook wrong, lol.
I moved the graphic to a point in the text that refers to Madon assuming command of a squadron of Spads because the graphic shows him leaning on the wing of his Spad. A caption stating such would work so nicely, and once again, I am unknowing. But educable.
Georgejdorner ( talk) 23:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your note! I just went for the shortest template title that wasn't already in use, just to make it quicker to type. - Ahunt ( talk) 21:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Like the section header; should be encouraged. Think many articles, in Survivors sections blur the (important, in my view) difference between the flying and the dead. TSRL ( talk) 21:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for adding the reference for the 37 years sentence. I was going to look for one, but you beat me to it. :) Keep up the good work. - Fnlayson ( talk) 21:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice entry on the Rockwell Ranger 2000. Btw, have you run across any info on the Cessna 526 CitationJet JPATS entry? It was unique in being a wholly US design, and I'd love to see us get an article on it. - BillCJ ( talk) 21:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, thanks! - BillCJ ( talk) 21:48, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello - thanks for the note about this issue.
I've looked over the guidelines again and continue to believe my contributions comply. I agree with the principles behind these guidelines dealing with financial gain etc.
The web site to which the referenced articles link carry no adverts and show only pro-bono work. All commissioned work is carried on an entirely separate web site. For example I undertake work free of any charge whatsoever providing families living abroad images of graves and inscriptions. Additionally a couple of my web pages are cited as educational resources. There is no pecuniary advantage - in fact there is an unmet cost in undertaking and maintaining this work. In these respects I share and behave several of the tenets of Wiki itself. My contributions also include a number of images placed directly in Wiki.
I guess what I'm asking is who makes and how are judgements given about notions of self-promotion and self-interest. In the absence of any financial gain (and although its not productive to do so) how do you assess the motives of any contributor to Wiki whose contributions are anything more than anonymous?
In respect of my web site links to which you refer it seems to me the strength of self promotion and self interest is no stronger than in the case of contributors to Wiki who post photographs requiring attribution. I have seen many images on the web and occasionally in other media carrying images displaying the wiki source and contributors name. You yourself have an extraordinary collection of aircraft images posted for which naturally you wish your contribution recognised and which you make clear in absolute terms.
Look forward to your thoughts and response to the questions posed. Best wishes, WyrdLight —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrdlight ( talk • contribs) 09:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Update: hello again MilborneOne - a follow up question. I've just undertaken a very cursory trawl of internet aircraft sites. It is possible to generate over 7 pages full of references to sites, articles and pages using the images for which you require attribution. I'd be interested to hear how you put this in the context of "self promotion"?
This is a genuine question which goes to the heart of Wiki. A majority of users whose work on Wiki I have considered do exactly this. I see nothing wrong or inappropriate in this behaviour myself.
However a purist view (not mine)could be that this level of self-advertising is inappropriate and could lead to contact with you by air industry specialists looking for specific images or information. If this has already happened or at that point are you then acting in contravention of the Wiki policy you've quoted? This may not involve any payment, but it would be clear that such contact and indeed the degree of usage of your images and the resulting self-promotion has arisen only through Wiki.
Clearly there is a balance to be struck here as it seems rather onerous to expect every image uploaded by contributors to be considered for acceptance through the talk page. The usual mechanisms of rabid public scrutiny seem sufficient!
But that brings me to the issue of uninformed intervention. For example - your note about my link concerning the Brookwood Military Cemetery states there is no need to have a link to all / another cemetery. You couldn't have examined the site for as now stated on the talk page this cemetery is something of a microcosm of participating allied forces and shows something of the contribution of ethnic minorities and muslims to that war effort.
Look forward to your response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrdlight ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello - thanks for the response to part 1. Although I make image submissions to Wiki directly the issue arose about a link to a significant body of work some of which is not in any case replicable on Wiki. This is not an issue about a single image (and see above the grey line Wiki paints) but a link to several hundreds of images organised in a body of work.
Although I don't profit from submissions to Wiki there is also an inherent hypocrisy (these are not comments about you, but about Wiki) about a policy which seemingly portrays concerns about "self promotion" while requiring that works provided free are available for commercial exploitation without regard to the labour involved in their creation. One signs up on the basis of providing works accordingly (the free encyclopedia) but pursuit of such a policy where there are no obvious advantages (adverts onward links etc etc) seems contradictory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrdlight ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Not re-naming as such, moving which is the proper way so that history etc. goes with it. I stumbled on The Avro list of aircraft which were not in any standard format for article titles. I have attempted to rectify this, i think successfully. I didn't feel that there was any need for discussion as i was only adding relevant info into the title and/or tidying up messy re-directs and the like. If you don't like what I have done then revert it, or do you feel the need for discussion? Petebutt ( talk) 08:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not into joining project groups or long discussions with other editors, because other (archiving) projects often take my attention away from WP. However, I am often very teed orf about incorrect naming. For example, as far as I know, the T-33 is not, nor ever has been named the Shooting Star (see T-33 talk page). Today, I found that perhaps the majority of Lockheed articles are incorrectly named. None of the names beginning L. or L- are correct, except for the L-1011 series and the L-100 'marketing' numbers for Hercules. Obviously, a big article renaming exercise would be needed if a consensus can be reached. Can you help push the subject forward? MTIA. PeterWD ( talk) 18:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, won't do it again then TEA14 ( talk) 07:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hi MilborneOne! User:Jasepl has recently began changing destination pages to his favored choices, especially Terminated, now I'm not pointing finger here but I believe his edits live on reverts. He has recently began changing my hard worked edits on Bulgaria Air destinations/terminated destinations section. Now this has really annoyed me so I have decided to take futher action and am asking you for your help and opinions as you are a wiki administrator. Please go to the Terminated/Former Destinations and have a look at what I have suggested. Hope you can help! Regards, Zaps93 ( talk) 13:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
See this diff, associated article edits, and the restoration of comments I deleted on my own talk page here. Any suggestions on further action would be welcome, in private if necessary. Thanks. - BillCJ ( talk) 14:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your Edit, while I bow to your superior experience, but I’m still a little mystified as to why you’ve taken important data out, leaving a much less valuable item. I will of course leave the edit as it is, but I’m more than a little puzzled & confused as to your reasons.
You have changed 801 but not 800, this is very inconsistent this seems a bit personal
The Falklands war is the subject of much study because of its compactness & names bring this home.
I've seen the topic, my own view is that if nobody comments I put it back...
Point taken, but I must express my objection to such a draconian step. There were only 6 Phoenix built, and the text and photo already mention some of them in a very sloppy and unhelpful way. In this case, details can only help clarify a small piece of history. PeterWD ( talk) 19:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Evening MilborneOne: I was thinking about a new engine article on the W- and Y-type 3 cylinder Anzanis, as used by Bleriot cross-channel. This started life as a motorbike engine, as
nicely shows, with Alessandro a bonus. However the Commons commentary says this image should not be used until reviewed: how does one encourage such a review? TSRL ( talk) 21:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks TSRL ( talk) 09:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem with your declining. I saw the first sentence (leading rose grower) and thought it might have been put up by someone with a COI as an advert. I see from your references that they are indeed notable. I should have checked. Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey MilborneOne! I read what you said about your revert on -800 operators but I'm confused, what do you mean merge the two? Please reply! Thank You. Zaps93 ( talk) 18:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)