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Greetings, Miguel Escopeta. I have started a discussion about a recent edit of yours. Feel free to join in, at Template talk:Gun politics interest groups in the United States#Generic political groups. Thanks. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Miguel, do you have a source (independent from the NRA) for the wording you added here? Unless I'm missing something, t doesn't appear to be very consistent with the MSNBC article of 18 Dec 2012, so we need a source with wording closer to the wording in your edit. regards, Middle 8 ( talk) 19:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
You do a lot of excellent work. I think that our conflict at Assault weapon is mostly a matter of speaking different languages. I tend to see and think in the logical underpinnings, structure and definitions, both of what is written and of the related guidelines. North8000 ( talk) 00:10, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I reverted one of your edits to the Gun control article, and left a pertinent comment on the talk page. Cheers! Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I think there was just more detail on shotguns than warranted for a general page. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
The article clearly has a tag saying it is too American since 2010, clearly there is no consensus yet you revert without coming to the talk to discuss. Come to the talk and discuss why a section on a world wide scope should lead with a US commentary that hasn't been fixed since 2010. This is not consensus, it's called bullying or editing by cabal. Come and bring your rationale- Justanonymous ( talk) 22:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Please review prior to editing or commenting further on the Second Amendment. I have posted it on the Talk Page as well, but I'm reaching out to you and all other editors personally because I sincerely believe when you review the evidence and when you search for contrary evidence, you will see I am correct about this history.
The law WAS collective only prior to Heller. If I show you 3 cases and several commentaries by irrefutably accurate sources and you cannot show me a single case from 1939 to 2000 to refute it, you have to accept that history is history.
In 1977 at a Denver hotel, Don Kates paced a conference room lecturing a small group of young scholars about the Second Amendment and tossing out ideas for law review articles. Back then, it was a pretty weird activity in pursuit of a wacky notion: that the Constitution confers an individual right to possess a firearm.
“This idea for a very long time was just laughed at,” said Nelson Lund, the Patrick Henry professor of constitutional law and the Second Amendment at George Mason University, a chair endowed by the National Rifle Association. “A lot of people thought it was preposterous and just propaganda from gun nuts.” ...
The Second Amendment states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Before the Heller decision, the Supreme Court and lower courts had interpreted the language as “preserving the authority of the states to maintain militias,” according to a Congressional Research Service analysis.
“It was a settled question, and the overwhelming consensus, bordering on unanimity, was that the Second Amendment granted a collective right” enjoyed by the states, not individuals, Bogus said. Under this interpretation, the Constitution provides no right for an individual to possess a firearm.
Lund [Remember he's the NRA-endowed Second-Amendment professor!] agreed that there was a consensus but said it was “based on ignorance.”
OK, you don't trust the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the National Rifle Association-endowed professor of constitutional law and the Second Amendment? How about trusting the courts themselves? Just read these three:
- Cases v. United States, 131 F.2d 916 (1st Cir. 1942)
- United States v. Warin, 530 F.2d 103, 106 (6th Cir. 1976) (“[i]t is clear that the Second Amendment guarantees a collective rather than an individual right.”)
- Love v. Peppersack, 47 F.3d 120, 123 (4th Cir. 1995) (“the lower federal courts have uniformly held that the Second Amendment preserves a collective, rather than individual right.”)
All of them cited Miller. All of them were the law of the land. There's not a single case in all of American history in any court state or federal that found an individual right to bear arms absent service in a militia and struck down a gun law as unconstitutional prior to 2000. I will pay $100 to anyone who can find any case that says so.
Furthermore, there is not a single President prior to 2000 that stated he believed the Supreme Court conferred an individual right to bear arms under the Second Amendment absent service in a militia. Even Reagan didn't believe it. I will pay $100 to anyone who can find any President that stated this position prior to 2000.
Truth is truth. If you don't like truth, you should not be editing wikipedia. Many editors here, I know you believe otherwise. But whoever told you a lie was true was mistaken. Read my sources. Then look for reliable sources on your own. When you can't find any (and if you do, I'll give you $100), I would respectfully request that all of you withdraw your objections. If you don't, then you are clear POV-pushers and should not be editing wikipedia.
Otherwise, if the only way to remove unreliable sources in wikipedia is to put up a request for comment and/or mediation, let's do it. I'll bet my reliable sources against all of your absence of sources any day. There is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong. People are trying to revise history and some people fall prey to it. Maybe you read something on the Internet from some ignorant blogger and believed it to be true. I respectfully request you look at the sources and come to the only accurate conclusion.
My history is backed up by EVERY judicial decision and EVERY President prior to 2000 and the Library of Congress, and the Congressional Research Service, and the NRA-endowed Professor of the Second Amendment, not to mention the NYT and the WP. And the contrary position is backed up by some sincere mistaken beliefs AND NOT A SINGLE SOURCE.
An honest and ethical wikipedia editor cannot look truth in the face and declare it untrue without a single reliable source to back it up. I will post this on the talk page of every editor who has edited or commented recently because I sincerely want all of you to review the sources before further editing or commenting.
Further sources:
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34446_20080411.pdf (Congressional Research Service)
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php (Library of Congress)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html (New York Times)
GreekParadise ( talk) 16:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important. -Senator John F. Kennedy, April 1960"
Not sure why you reverted, my "original research" is a well-accepted fact. The amendment is controversial, and has been interpreted numerous ways. Ive re-added the sentence, with a plethora of citations. We are on the same side here, don't be pedantic and lets not waste each other's time here eh? Gaijin42 ( talk) 21:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello Escopeta. It's not enough to provide a citation. Per policy, the citation needs to come from a reliable source WP:RS, be secondary in nature WP:Secondary, and not self-published WP:SELFPUB. I have reverted your edit HERE because it fails these. My name is Mercy11 ( talk) 22:24, 19 April 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.
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Slightly confused by your comment, as gun control seems to be a huge component of gun politics whearas you said "small". However, this dovetails very nicely into a debate I am engaged in with another editor. Are you aware of reliable sources discussing/defining gun politics aspects OTHER than gun control? I think it is patently obvious that there are many topics outside gun control (although of lesser importance/coverage) but one of the editors is insisting that unless I can find sources establishing the difference between politics and control, there is in fact no difference. Gaijin42 ( talk) 17:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
There is a DR of which I have included you as a participant. Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Gun_Control
As the AN has closed, this has been reopened. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Just in case you were not notified GreekParadise filed a dr on this issue. Your participation there would be very much appreciated. Cheers. Grahamboat ( talk) 23:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
In your recent comment move on this DR, you cut 10stone5's comment section in half. Was this intentional? If so you might want to clarify your purpose. If unintentional, you may want to fix. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I know that you do good work. If you're thinking of knocking that out again, can you come to talk first? Thanx. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 22:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
I think my summary was "while true, not central to the article." I'm not convinced that the article is served by a digression into gun show cuisine in the very first sentence. Perhaps it should be mentioned farther down? Jerky and dried meat processing marketing at gun shows in general seems to be a concession to a sadly widespread lack of cooking skills among hunters. I used to know a guy in college who hunted and was an excellent cook: his fresh smoked venison hams were about as far removed from jerky as could be. Acroterion (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
In order to merit inclusion, there need to be reliable sources that say that it is an important part of gun show culture. Countless other things are sold at gun shows; bow hunting items, canned foods, food preservatives, tools for dressing game, camouflage, political tracts, jewelry, on and on. Jerky may be sold at gun shows; it is not notable enough for inclusion in the lede. The inclusion was previously backed up by a link to a company that sells jerky; I removed both the info and the link, because it was pure advertising. Again, without reliable sources, it doesn't merit inclusion. Anastrophe ( talk) 19:13, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't disagree with anything you say, but it should be in the body of the article, rather than the first line of the article, where it should give info on all the other sorts of things that are sold there. I went to go shows for a few years way back in the early 1990's, and I saw jerky, but I also saw extensive jewelry/pin/button sellers, knife sharpeners, etc etc - but all that is just my first person experience (and way outdated). the article you linked to would be fine for expanding on the various things sold - but the lede should simply say that many non-firearm items are also sold at shows, then go into details (briefly) in the body. It's a question of how much weight we give to something that - while interesting - isn't fundamental to the article. Anastrophe ( talk) 19:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
In the article on handloading, I noted with interest your decision to delete an addition I made clarifying a highly misleading (though not terribly important) statement attributed to "McPherson" suggesting that "...handloads tend to be of generally high quality while reloads tend to be merely functional." If Mr. McPherson did indeed make such a statement, it is a profoundly vague generalization that, if taken at face value, can paint a false impression...certainly among the highly impressionable. For one thing, it does nothing to distinguish handloading from reloading. I note you are very well versed in myriad topics relating to firearms, and I suspect you are probably aware that serious competitors routinely use handloaded cartridges from cases previously fired in a given firearm; ie, they are actually using reloaded ammunition made from a previously fired case that is fireformed to the gun's chamber. In ammo so loaded, the previously fired cases are frequently neck sized only to provide sufficient tension to hold the bullet. Now, whether this practice does indeed provide superior cartridges, I believe, remains a topic of lively debate. But the fact is, it is a common practice, one I employ myself, and I can assure you these "reloads" are in no way inferior to carefully crafted "handloads" made from virgin brass. The statement is also puzzling in that, as is, it adds nothing to the article (except confusion). If anything it seems to imply a cultural distinction between the elite handloader and a sort of "blue-collar" reloader, who is merely interested in "function." The word "function" itself is odd as used. Is the "reloader" interested only in saving a buck? Content with his work as long as the gun goes "bang" when he pulls the trigger? Again, this matter is hardly worth quibbling over. But inasmuch as the observation attributed to McPherson raises more questions than it addresses, why include it at all? It seems to have been tossed in there casually for a purpose that escapes me. "At least one" person's casual observation, which I suspect might have been taken out of context, does little to inform, and in this case, is indeed misleading. And the clarifying text I added hardly requires authoritative referencing, any more than if I claimed that some people like Budweiser while others prefer to brew their own beer. Okay...not the greatest analogy, but it is widely understood, and indisputable.
This is not a dispute—it's not terribly important to me—but you strike me as an articulate, highly informed writer in this area, which is why your rationale for deleting my addition so puzzles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GR Scriptor ( talk • contribs) 14:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Please review the policy on living persons located at WP:BLP. Including information disputed by the subject that is sourced only to student newspapers and partisan commentators is highly questionable. Writing that information in Wikipedia's voice ("x is a y") is unacceptable. Please engage in discussions on the talk page as opposed to reverting. Thanks. Hipocrite ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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This edit summary is dishonest. You did not merely "add a cite." Please be more careful with your edit summaries. Thanks. Hipocrite ( talk) 19:36, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
"Subhuman mongrel" and "chimpanzee" are not racist? Gaijin42 ( talk) 21:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Re: this edit [2] that I added with edit summary, "adding current, international overview info from GunPolicy.org," and that you modified [3] with the edit summary, "clean up extreme POV push; it is not civilians that are killing the majority of the people that die, but, rather, the governments with guns."
I meant absolutely NO POV push with that edit. I simply paraphrased the source, Global Impact of Gun Violence at gunpolicy.org. When I make mistakes - and of course I do - I'm glad to have them corrected, but the POV push comment was unnecessary and not WP:AGF. Of course the killings are done with civilian AND government owned guns (though I'll make no comment about who's doing the majority of it, since the source hasn't either).
Again, thanks for the correction, but in the future, can you keep the edit summary civil? Thanks. Lightbreather ( talk) 00:27, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on the Gun safety. It's looking a lot better now. Rezin ( talk) 18:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I was trying to get, in the first sentence, that the term is only used by those who want to restrict firearm sales. You removed that in this edit. It's grammatically better, but it lost important information. If that is in there, pejorative shouldn't be necessary. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:44, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Regarding this edit summary: [4]. Can we keep out the parentheticals? I believe the wording was from some previous version and it's hard to say who wrote it. You improved the wording, that's great. The first part of your edit summary - going with what the article says - was sufficient, IMO. Lightbreather ( talk) 17:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Please, please do not add things to the Gun show loophole article without good WP:V, WP:RS. Lightbreather ( talk) 22:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, I have worked very hard to balance information in that article, but I believe your push to include the Patrick source is getting disruptive. As a peace offering, I have added it to the further reading section.
The author is an associate professor of communications, and the book is about concealed carry - not the gun show loophole. Also, his opinion on the GSL is pretty extreme. Lightbreather ( talk) 00:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, regarding this "liberty" thing [5] you keep adding to the lead paragraph. 1) There is a whole paragraph in the lead (not the lead paragraph) about how gun rights advocates feel about the GSL. It is sourced within the body to Kopel, the NRA, and other recognized authorities on the gun rights side of the debate. To take what "Joe Olsen," head of a state gun rights group, says about GSLs and put it into the lead is UNDUE. Lightbreather ( talk) 16:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
[6] FYI. Faceless Enemy ( talk) 15:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
This comment has apparently been removed from a contentious article [8] with it's suggestion to analyse this. EChastain ( talk) 18:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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@ PhilKnight: I agree not to edit the same pages as Yaf also edits going forward. Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 20:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
@ PhilKnight: OK. Have submitted a new unblock request which includes this. (See below). Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 21:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Is this really a credible source? I mean, a book that left its creator resigning his tenured post should not be cited without a note saying that it's known to be partially fraudulent. Even if he published a version that corrected the obvious fraud people found (I don't know that he has) it needs a disclaimer that nobody should read editions up to the Xth edition. Blythwood ( talk) 20:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Miguel Escopeta, please see talk page for Assault Weapon regarding your revert. Thank you CuriousMind01 ( talk) 18:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
ME, you keep referring to the section of WP:GUNS about criminal use as a "guideline" or "policy", even though it is neither. Also, you just said that there's a consensus in favor of it. Can you show me where or when that consensus was formed? Felsic2 ( talk) 21:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Welcome! Can't believe you're just joining now, I always thought you were a member. I look forward to your collaborations and positive edits! Regards!-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 21:47, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Miguel Escopeta, for over a year now the bulk of your editing has been following me around Wikipedia and opposing my edits. While edits within your area of interest, firearms, are possibly justifiable, when you follow me to unrelated areas it takes on the appearance of WP:harassment:
Since this activity has been accompanied by personal attacks, tendentious editing, and other disruptive behavior, I am formally requesting that you stop it immediately. Felsic2 ( talk) 20:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Felsic2, Hounding can be a serious issue but for the charge to stick (so to speak) the edits must be at the expense of Wikipedia. When people look at many of your gun related edits it's easy to see how they can be concerned. Just the other day you restored a comedy show PR stunt involving the NRA to a section called "Criticism". You failed to explain how the PR stunt was "criticism" vs just propaganda. Edits like that have resulted in some editors questioning your editorial judgment. That would suggest that you should also review your own posting style. Springee ( talk) 21:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Well I was also just accused on hounding. I guess it was crazy to think that rejecting what looks to me like just tarring the NRA (rather than legit commentary) was problematic.[ [14]]. RAF910 has raised concerns about some of this. I will give Felsic that he is willing to talk but I don't agree with the idea of trying to pack negative information or facts into articles in cases where it comes across as tarring or taking a negative bit part and trying to make it a big part of the topic. This came up with two automotive articles (the additions were soundly rejected after an RfC [ [15]]. I also see it in some of the recent KKK and related additions to article pages about towns and counties. I'm not interested enough in those articles to get involved but in most cases it seems like someone who wants to pack pet topics into various articles. When you are accusing several editors of hounding perhaps you need to ask if perhaps the issue is with you. Still, to end this on a high note, Felsic2 is at least willing to talk and I've seen more than a few examples of trying to better integrate information into the flow of an article. Happy T day. Springee ( talk) 03:24, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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Your change is incorrect. I refer you to the Brenneke slug which is fired from shotguns to illustrate that what I said is correct.
Rifled Slug Digitallymade ( talk) 21:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, and your recent comments on this discussion were refreshingly clear, comprehensive, and well-written. As a former teacher, I admire your ability and willingness to teach this material. As much as I may have been dragged kicking and screaming from the vocabulary of my youth, I recognize the importance of keeping abreast of modern usage of terms like weapon. I thought you might enjoy this anecdote: One of my high-school teachers was a truly gifted mathematician who was teaching in rural Maine only because it was the most remote location he could find to provide social education for his children born and raised in the remote Chilean Andes where he was operating a Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. He had retreated from civilization while suffering what we might now recognize as post-traumatic stress disorder from his participation in World War II. He was a Quaker having great difficulty coming to terms with the military obligations he had assumed after being drafted. As one of his more promising students, I was privileged to have a few opportunities when he shared some personal observations with me. One of the most memorable was his professed belief that the world would be a better place if all weapons were outlawed. Recognizing the potential use of numerous objects as weapons, I asked how he would define a weapon. He admitted he couldn't formulate a useful definition; and that inability in such a gifted individual made a lasting impression which comes to mind whenever someone gets unexpectedly creative with a chain saw, box cutter, jet aircraft, gasoline tank truck, or swimming pool chlorine. Thank you for presenting the issue in such clear and focused detail. Thewellman ( talk) 20:50, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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You reverted my edit on Gun violence in the United States. I removed a cutesy historical cartoon at the top of the article and replaced it with a picture of a memorial from the 2017 Las Vegas shooting. If you cannot acknowledge the realities of gun violence, that is your problem, but you cannot censor Wikipedia per WP:NOTCENSORED. Please do not revert my edit again. Darkest Tree Talk 22:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
That new essay was moved by an editor who is likely a HughDv sock. Springee ( talk) 21:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
The edits came across as promotional / non-neutral and I have reverted them:
Per the ArbCom case that you were notified about, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun_control#Advocacy: "Wikipedia articles should present a neutral view of their subject. Use of a Wikipedia article for advocacy or promotion is prohibited."
Please keep that in mind while editing these sensitive topics. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:19, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
At Talk:National Rifle Association, you mentioned that the NRA has provided education to freed slaves, single moms who happen to be black and LGBTQ individuals in the wake of tragedy. I'm interested in adding this information to the article as it would add balance and show how the NRA contributes to the community beyond political advocacy. Do you have any sources that you'd be willing to share? Thanks – dlthewave ☎ 17:44, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm reaching out to active editors who were involved with the discussions related to the split of the AR-15 topic into two primary articles (Here [ [21]], here[ [22]], other?). I somewhat recall the discussions leading to this split. What I don't recall is where all the discussions took place. I've linked to a discussion on the Colt AR-15 talk archive but I recall discussions occurring in other locations. I was hoping to get some suggestions for finding those other discussions. I'm doing this because I'm trying to understand the intended scope of the AR-15 style rifle article [ [23]]. Was it meant to be just "clones" of the Colt AR-15 or also include derivative rifles (different operating mechanisms etc)? Also what other article names were considered and why. Thanks for any suggestions you might have. Springee ( talk) 02:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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Greetings, Miguel Escopeta. I have started a discussion about a recent edit of yours. Feel free to join in, at Template talk:Gun politics interest groups in the United States#Generic political groups. Thanks. — Mudwater ( Talk) 00:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Miguel, do you have a source (independent from the NRA) for the wording you added here? Unless I'm missing something, t doesn't appear to be very consistent with the MSNBC article of 18 Dec 2012, so we need a source with wording closer to the wording in your edit. regards, Middle 8 ( talk) 19:39, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
You do a lot of excellent work. I think that our conflict at Assault weapon is mostly a matter of speaking different languages. I tend to see and think in the logical underpinnings, structure and definitions, both of what is written and of the related guidelines. North8000 ( talk) 00:10, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
I reverted one of your edits to the Gun control article, and left a pertinent comment on the talk page. Cheers! Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 18:46, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I think there was just more detail on shotguns than warranted for a general page. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 19:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
The article clearly has a tag saying it is too American since 2010, clearly there is no consensus yet you revert without coming to the talk to discuss. Come to the talk and discuss why a section on a world wide scope should lead with a US commentary that hasn't been fixed since 2010. This is not consensus, it's called bullying or editing by cabal. Come and bring your rationale- Justanonymous ( talk) 22:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Please review prior to editing or commenting further on the Second Amendment. I have posted it on the Talk Page as well, but I'm reaching out to you and all other editors personally because I sincerely believe when you review the evidence and when you search for contrary evidence, you will see I am correct about this history.
The law WAS collective only prior to Heller. If I show you 3 cases and several commentaries by irrefutably accurate sources and you cannot show me a single case from 1939 to 2000 to refute it, you have to accept that history is history.
In 1977 at a Denver hotel, Don Kates paced a conference room lecturing a small group of young scholars about the Second Amendment and tossing out ideas for law review articles. Back then, it was a pretty weird activity in pursuit of a wacky notion: that the Constitution confers an individual right to possess a firearm.
“This idea for a very long time was just laughed at,” said Nelson Lund, the Patrick Henry professor of constitutional law and the Second Amendment at George Mason University, a chair endowed by the National Rifle Association. “A lot of people thought it was preposterous and just propaganda from gun nuts.” ...
The Second Amendment states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Before the Heller decision, the Supreme Court and lower courts had interpreted the language as “preserving the authority of the states to maintain militias,” according to a Congressional Research Service analysis.
“It was a settled question, and the overwhelming consensus, bordering on unanimity, was that the Second Amendment granted a collective right” enjoyed by the states, not individuals, Bogus said. Under this interpretation, the Constitution provides no right for an individual to possess a firearm.
Lund [Remember he's the NRA-endowed Second-Amendment professor!] agreed that there was a consensus but said it was “based on ignorance.”
OK, you don't trust the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the National Rifle Association-endowed professor of constitutional law and the Second Amendment? How about trusting the courts themselves? Just read these three:
- Cases v. United States, 131 F.2d 916 (1st Cir. 1942)
- United States v. Warin, 530 F.2d 103, 106 (6th Cir. 1976) (“[i]t is clear that the Second Amendment guarantees a collective rather than an individual right.”)
- Love v. Peppersack, 47 F.3d 120, 123 (4th Cir. 1995) (“the lower federal courts have uniformly held that the Second Amendment preserves a collective, rather than individual right.”)
All of them cited Miller. All of them were the law of the land. There's not a single case in all of American history in any court state or federal that found an individual right to bear arms absent service in a militia and struck down a gun law as unconstitutional prior to 2000. I will pay $100 to anyone who can find any case that says so.
Furthermore, there is not a single President prior to 2000 that stated he believed the Supreme Court conferred an individual right to bear arms under the Second Amendment absent service in a militia. Even Reagan didn't believe it. I will pay $100 to anyone who can find any President that stated this position prior to 2000.
Truth is truth. If you don't like truth, you should not be editing wikipedia. Many editors here, I know you believe otherwise. But whoever told you a lie was true was mistaken. Read my sources. Then look for reliable sources on your own. When you can't find any (and if you do, I'll give you $100), I would respectfully request that all of you withdraw your objections. If you don't, then you are clear POV-pushers and should not be editing wikipedia.
Otherwise, if the only way to remove unreliable sources in wikipedia is to put up a request for comment and/or mediation, let's do it. I'll bet my reliable sources against all of your absence of sources any day. There is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong. People are trying to revise history and some people fall prey to it. Maybe you read something on the Internet from some ignorant blogger and believed it to be true. I respectfully request you look at the sources and come to the only accurate conclusion.
My history is backed up by EVERY judicial decision and EVERY President prior to 2000 and the Library of Congress, and the Congressional Research Service, and the NRA-endowed Professor of the Second Amendment, not to mention the NYT and the WP. And the contrary position is backed up by some sincere mistaken beliefs AND NOT A SINGLE SOURCE.
An honest and ethical wikipedia editor cannot look truth in the face and declare it untrue without a single reliable source to back it up. I will post this on the talk page of every editor who has edited or commented recently because I sincerely want all of you to review the sources before further editing or commenting.
Further sources:
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34446_20080411.pdf (Congressional Research Service)
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php (Library of Congress)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html (New York Times)
GreekParadise ( talk) 16:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important. -Senator John F. Kennedy, April 1960"
Not sure why you reverted, my "original research" is a well-accepted fact. The amendment is controversial, and has been interpreted numerous ways. Ive re-added the sentence, with a plethora of citations. We are on the same side here, don't be pedantic and lets not waste each other's time here eh? Gaijin42 ( talk) 21:22, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello Escopeta. It's not enough to provide a citation. Per policy, the citation needs to come from a reliable source WP:RS, be secondary in nature WP:Secondary, and not self-published WP:SELFPUB. I have reverted your edit HERE because it fails these. My name is Mercy11 ( talk) 22:24, 19 April 2013 (UTC), and I approve this message.
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Slightly confused by your comment, as gun control seems to be a huge component of gun politics whearas you said "small". However, this dovetails very nicely into a debate I am engaged in with another editor. Are you aware of reliable sources discussing/defining gun politics aspects OTHER than gun control? I think it is patently obvious that there are many topics outside gun control (although of lesser importance/coverage) but one of the editors is insisting that unless I can find sources establishing the difference between politics and control, there is in fact no difference. Gaijin42 ( talk) 17:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
There is a DR of which I have included you as a participant. Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Gun_Control
As the AN has closed, this has been reopened. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Just in case you were not notified GreekParadise filed a dr on this issue. Your participation there would be very much appreciated. Cheers. Grahamboat ( talk) 23:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
In your recent comment move on this DR, you cut 10stone5's comment section in half. Was this intentional? If so you might want to clarify your purpose. If unintentional, you may want to fix. Gaijin42 ( talk) 15:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I know that you do good work. If you're thinking of knocking that out again, can you come to talk first? Thanx. Sincerely, North8000 ( talk) 22:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
I think my summary was "while true, not central to the article." I'm not convinced that the article is served by a digression into gun show cuisine in the very first sentence. Perhaps it should be mentioned farther down? Jerky and dried meat processing marketing at gun shows in general seems to be a concession to a sadly widespread lack of cooking skills among hunters. I used to know a guy in college who hunted and was an excellent cook: his fresh smoked venison hams were about as far removed from jerky as could be. Acroterion (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
In order to merit inclusion, there need to be reliable sources that say that it is an important part of gun show culture. Countless other things are sold at gun shows; bow hunting items, canned foods, food preservatives, tools for dressing game, camouflage, political tracts, jewelry, on and on. Jerky may be sold at gun shows; it is not notable enough for inclusion in the lede. The inclusion was previously backed up by a link to a company that sells jerky; I removed both the info and the link, because it was pure advertising. Again, without reliable sources, it doesn't merit inclusion. Anastrophe ( talk) 19:13, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't disagree with anything you say, but it should be in the body of the article, rather than the first line of the article, where it should give info on all the other sorts of things that are sold there. I went to go shows for a few years way back in the early 1990's, and I saw jerky, but I also saw extensive jewelry/pin/button sellers, knife sharpeners, etc etc - but all that is just my first person experience (and way outdated). the article you linked to would be fine for expanding on the various things sold - but the lede should simply say that many non-firearm items are also sold at shows, then go into details (briefly) in the body. It's a question of how much weight we give to something that - while interesting - isn't fundamental to the article. Anastrophe ( talk) 19:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
In the article on handloading, I noted with interest your decision to delete an addition I made clarifying a highly misleading (though not terribly important) statement attributed to "McPherson" suggesting that "...handloads tend to be of generally high quality while reloads tend to be merely functional." If Mr. McPherson did indeed make such a statement, it is a profoundly vague generalization that, if taken at face value, can paint a false impression...certainly among the highly impressionable. For one thing, it does nothing to distinguish handloading from reloading. I note you are very well versed in myriad topics relating to firearms, and I suspect you are probably aware that serious competitors routinely use handloaded cartridges from cases previously fired in a given firearm; ie, they are actually using reloaded ammunition made from a previously fired case that is fireformed to the gun's chamber. In ammo so loaded, the previously fired cases are frequently neck sized only to provide sufficient tension to hold the bullet. Now, whether this practice does indeed provide superior cartridges, I believe, remains a topic of lively debate. But the fact is, it is a common practice, one I employ myself, and I can assure you these "reloads" are in no way inferior to carefully crafted "handloads" made from virgin brass. The statement is also puzzling in that, as is, it adds nothing to the article (except confusion). If anything it seems to imply a cultural distinction between the elite handloader and a sort of "blue-collar" reloader, who is merely interested in "function." The word "function" itself is odd as used. Is the "reloader" interested only in saving a buck? Content with his work as long as the gun goes "bang" when he pulls the trigger? Again, this matter is hardly worth quibbling over. But inasmuch as the observation attributed to McPherson raises more questions than it addresses, why include it at all? It seems to have been tossed in there casually for a purpose that escapes me. "At least one" person's casual observation, which I suspect might have been taken out of context, does little to inform, and in this case, is indeed misleading. And the clarifying text I added hardly requires authoritative referencing, any more than if I claimed that some people like Budweiser while others prefer to brew their own beer. Okay...not the greatest analogy, but it is widely understood, and indisputable.
This is not a dispute—it's not terribly important to me—but you strike me as an articulate, highly informed writer in this area, which is why your rationale for deleting my addition so puzzles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GR Scriptor ( talk • contribs) 14:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Please review the policy on living persons located at WP:BLP. Including information disputed by the subject that is sourced only to student newspapers and partisan commentators is highly questionable. Writing that information in Wikipedia's voice ("x is a y") is unacceptable. Please engage in discussions on the talk page as opposed to reverting. Thanks. Hipocrite ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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This edit summary is dishonest. You did not merely "add a cite." Please be more careful with your edit summaries. Thanks. Hipocrite ( talk) 19:36, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
"Subhuman mongrel" and "chimpanzee" are not racist? Gaijin42 ( talk) 21:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Re: this edit [2] that I added with edit summary, "adding current, international overview info from GunPolicy.org," and that you modified [3] with the edit summary, "clean up extreme POV push; it is not civilians that are killing the majority of the people that die, but, rather, the governments with guns."
I meant absolutely NO POV push with that edit. I simply paraphrased the source, Global Impact of Gun Violence at gunpolicy.org. When I make mistakes - and of course I do - I'm glad to have them corrected, but the POV push comment was unnecessary and not WP:AGF. Of course the killings are done with civilian AND government owned guns (though I'll make no comment about who's doing the majority of it, since the source hasn't either).
Again, thanks for the correction, but in the future, can you keep the edit summary civil? Thanks. Lightbreather ( talk) 00:27, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on the Gun safety. It's looking a lot better now. Rezin ( talk) 18:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I was trying to get, in the first sentence, that the term is only used by those who want to restrict firearm sales. You removed that in this edit. It's grammatically better, but it lost important information. If that is in there, pejorative shouldn't be necessary. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:44, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Regarding this edit summary: [4]. Can we keep out the parentheticals? I believe the wording was from some previous version and it's hard to say who wrote it. You improved the wording, that's great. The first part of your edit summary - going with what the article says - was sufficient, IMO. Lightbreather ( talk) 17:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Please, please do not add things to the Gun show loophole article without good WP:V, WP:RS. Lightbreather ( talk) 22:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, I have worked very hard to balance information in that article, but I believe your push to include the Patrick source is getting disruptive. As a peace offering, I have added it to the further reading section.
The author is an associate professor of communications, and the book is about concealed carry - not the gun show loophole. Also, his opinion on the GSL is pretty extreme. Lightbreather ( talk) 00:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, regarding this "liberty" thing [5] you keep adding to the lead paragraph. 1) There is a whole paragraph in the lead (not the lead paragraph) about how gun rights advocates feel about the GSL. It is sourced within the body to Kopel, the NRA, and other recognized authorities on the gun rights side of the debate. To take what "Joe Olsen," head of a state gun rights group, says about GSLs and put it into the lead is UNDUE. Lightbreather ( talk) 16:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
[6] FYI. Faceless Enemy ( talk) 15:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
This comment has apparently been removed from a contentious article [8] with it's suggestion to analyse this. EChastain ( talk) 18:55, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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![]() Miguel Escopeta ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log)) Request reason: There is no Wikipedia policy that multiple relatives cannot all edit in many of the same space areas. Why is Wikipedia banning two different family members from both editing? (Yes, we both attended the Flying W ranch together. And, yes, a medical condition of a disease of a family member was edited by both accounts, as we both grew to know more about the disease. And, yes, we have similar mannerisms. Family members, related by blood, usually do. But, a closer look will show that, although we edit in many of the same areas, our interests are different, as evidenced by the relative numbers of edits in each of the similar categories, with higher concentrations of edits in different areas, despite overlapping in many of the same topics. Or, is it Wikipedia policy simply to ban all editors within a family who choose to edit in controversial areas and who are related by blood? Besides, the older, family member is largely absent from Wikipedia, being retired in real life as well as in Wikipedia terms. A passing comment in a phone call about an article to my mentor on Wikipedia does not seem worthy of a block as being a sock puppet. For him or me. (A phone call that he is blocked will come as a surprise, I'm sure.) Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 22:18, 23 February 2015 (UTC) Decline reason: There is such a policy; see WP:FAMILY. Huon ( talk) 01:07, 24 February 2015 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. ![]() Miguel Escopeta ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log)) Request reason: WP:FAMILY pertains only to family who live in the same household and use the same Internet connection and computer. Neither of us uses the same Internet connection or computer. We do not even live in the same town. WP:FAMILY is not a valid reason for blocking two different editors who share some interests, who live in different towns, and who do not use the same computer or Internet connection. Miguel Escopeta (talk) 19:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC) Decline reason: This has been on hold for more than a month (!), and has been superseded by another unblock request below. So declining this procedurally, and will review the active unblock request in a moment. Floquenbeam ( talk) 23:18, 30 March 2015 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
![]() Miguel Escopeta ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log)) Request reason: A decision is needed in this block. The block was issued strictly on the basis of similarities in mannerisms, and on the editing of but ONE article on one day within Wikipedia space. The SPI investigation showed that shared computers and shared computer networks were never used. Instead, the block was issued on the basis of a false assumption, that was made in the absence of assuming good faith, a core Wikipedia policy, that similarities in the articles of shared interest was sufficient to "prove" that the two accounts were sock puppets of each other. To counter this false assumption, I am willing to post a tag on my page that I am not a sock puppet of Yaf, and Yaf is not a sock puppet of mine. That way, future confusion will not occur, and transparency, another core Wikipedi policy, can be maintained. Otherwise, I cannot open another account in a month when the block on Yaf ends, as I am still being blocked, and opening another account would be evading a block on me. Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 17:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC) Decline reason: I disagree with your assessment. From my perspective, you were blocked as a sockpuppet, but it turns out you're a meatpuppet. In this context, I don't consider that your proposed solution goes far enough. PhilKnight ( talk) 19:53, 26 February 2015 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
@ PhilKnight: What solution, in your estimation, would go far enough? Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 20:14, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
@ PhilKnight: I agree not to edit the same pages as Yaf also edits going forward. Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 20:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
@ PhilKnight: OK. Have submitted a new unblock request which includes this. (See below). Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 21:57, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
![]() Miguel Escopeta ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log)) Request reason: I agree not to edit the same pages as Yaf edits going forward. That should address all concerns. I will speak to Yaf, and make sure he does not edit the same pages as I have edited, going forward, too. That was what caused this block in the first place. Miguel Escopeta ( talk) 22:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC) Accept reason: per conditions below. Floquenbeam ( talk) 14:33, 31 March 2015 (UTC) @ Mike V and PhilKnight: I'm sort of inclined to accept this unblock request contingent on the two accounts never editing the same articles/talk pages. Phil, this seems to meet the criterion you proposed above. Any objection? It's been almost a month, I'd like to get this page off of CAT:UNBLOCK. My only hesitation is that above, after accepting the limitation, he goes on to call this subject-based censorship, which strikes me as extraordinarily tone-deaf. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 23:25, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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You might be interested in this once your block is removed. Faceless Enemy ( talk) 04:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Do not ping Lightbreather again. If you do, I will block you indefinitely. Smug gravedancing is not on. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 22:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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Is this really a credible source? I mean, a book that left its creator resigning his tenured post should not be cited without a note saying that it's known to be partially fraudulent. Even if he published a version that corrected the obvious fraud people found (I don't know that he has) it needs a disclaimer that nobody should read editions up to the Xth edition. Blythwood ( talk) 20:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hello Miguel Escopeta, please see talk page for Assault Weapon regarding your revert. Thank you CuriousMind01 ( talk) 18:46, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
ME, you keep referring to the section of WP:GUNS about criminal use as a "guideline" or "policy", even though it is neither. Also, you just said that there's a consensus in favor of it. Can you show me where or when that consensus was formed? Felsic2 ( talk) 21:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
Welcome! Can't believe you're just joining now, I always thought you were a member. I look forward to your collaborations and positive edits! Regards!-- Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 21:47, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Miguel Escopeta, for over a year now the bulk of your editing has been following me around Wikipedia and opposing my edits. While edits within your area of interest, firearms, are possibly justifiable, when you follow me to unrelated areas it takes on the appearance of WP:harassment:
Since this activity has been accompanied by personal attacks, tendentious editing, and other disruptive behavior, I am formally requesting that you stop it immediately. Felsic2 ( talk) 20:45, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Felsic2, Hounding can be a serious issue but for the charge to stick (so to speak) the edits must be at the expense of Wikipedia. When people look at many of your gun related edits it's easy to see how they can be concerned. Just the other day you restored a comedy show PR stunt involving the NRA to a section called "Criticism". You failed to explain how the PR stunt was "criticism" vs just propaganda. Edits like that have resulted in some editors questioning your editorial judgment. That would suggest that you should also review your own posting style. Springee ( talk) 21:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Well I was also just accused on hounding. I guess it was crazy to think that rejecting what looks to me like just tarring the NRA (rather than legit commentary) was problematic.[ [14]]. RAF910 has raised concerns about some of this. I will give Felsic that he is willing to talk but I don't agree with the idea of trying to pack negative information or facts into articles in cases where it comes across as tarring or taking a negative bit part and trying to make it a big part of the topic. This came up with two automotive articles (the additions were soundly rejected after an RfC [ [15]]. I also see it in some of the recent KKK and related additions to article pages about towns and counties. I'm not interested enough in those articles to get involved but in most cases it seems like someone who wants to pack pet topics into various articles. When you are accusing several editors of hounding perhaps you need to ask if perhaps the issue is with you. Still, to end this on a high note, Felsic2 is at least willing to talk and I've seen more than a few examples of trying to better integrate information into the flow of an article. Happy T day. Springee ( talk) 03:24, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
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Your change is incorrect. I refer you to the Brenneke slug which is fired from shotguns to illustrate that what I said is correct.
Rifled Slug Digitallymade ( talk) 21:37, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, and your recent comments on this discussion were refreshingly clear, comprehensive, and well-written. As a former teacher, I admire your ability and willingness to teach this material. As much as I may have been dragged kicking and screaming from the vocabulary of my youth, I recognize the importance of keeping abreast of modern usage of terms like weapon. I thought you might enjoy this anecdote: One of my high-school teachers was a truly gifted mathematician who was teaching in rural Maine only because it was the most remote location he could find to provide social education for his children born and raised in the remote Chilean Andes where he was operating a Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. He had retreated from civilization while suffering what we might now recognize as post-traumatic stress disorder from his participation in World War II. He was a Quaker having great difficulty coming to terms with the military obligations he had assumed after being drafted. As one of his more promising students, I was privileged to have a few opportunities when he shared some personal observations with me. One of the most memorable was his professed belief that the world would be a better place if all weapons were outlawed. Recognizing the potential use of numerous objects as weapons, I asked how he would define a weapon. He admitted he couldn't formulate a useful definition; and that inability in such a gifted individual made a lasting impression which comes to mind whenever someone gets unexpectedly creative with a chain saw, box cutter, jet aircraft, gasoline tank truck, or swimming pool chlorine. Thank you for presenting the issue in such clear and focused detail. Thewellman ( talk) 20:50, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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You reverted my edit on Gun violence in the United States. I removed a cutesy historical cartoon at the top of the article and replaced it with a picture of a memorial from the 2017 Las Vegas shooting. If you cannot acknowledge the realities of gun violence, that is your problem, but you cannot censor Wikipedia per WP:NOTCENSORED. Please do not revert my edit again. Darkest Tree Talk 22:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
That new essay was moved by an editor who is likely a HughDv sock. Springee ( talk) 21:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
The edits came across as promotional / non-neutral and I have reverted them:
Per the ArbCom case that you were notified about, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun_control#Advocacy: "Wikipedia articles should present a neutral view of their subject. Use of a Wikipedia article for advocacy or promotion is prohibited."
Please keep that in mind while editing these sensitive topics. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:19, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
At Talk:National Rifle Association, you mentioned that the NRA has provided education to freed slaves, single moms who happen to be black and LGBTQ individuals in the wake of tragedy. I'm interested in adding this information to the article as it would add balance and show how the NRA contributes to the community beyond political advocacy. Do you have any sources that you'd be willing to share? Thanks – dlthewave ☎ 17:44, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm reaching out to active editors who were involved with the discussions related to the split of the AR-15 topic into two primary articles (Here [ [21]], here[ [22]], other?). I somewhat recall the discussions leading to this split. What I don't recall is where all the discussions took place. I've linked to a discussion on the Colt AR-15 talk archive but I recall discussions occurring in other locations. I was hoping to get some suggestions for finding those other discussions. I'm doing this because I'm trying to understand the intended scope of the AR-15 style rifle article [ [23]]. Was it meant to be just "clones" of the Colt AR-15 or also include derivative rifles (different operating mechanisms etc)? Also what other article names were considered and why. Thanks for any suggestions you might have. Springee ( talk) 02:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
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