Hi, I found that you protected the Maltese language article in 2009 for sockpuppetry. Do you think the article should be unprotected after all these years? Regards, JACKINTHEBOX • TALK 07:29, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
I kept running into the LWC abbreviation in Ethnologue. I found the LWC disambiguation page here. It didn't include an entry for Language of wider communication, so I added it.
User:GB fan reverted it , saying that Lingua franca doesn't discuss Language of wider communication.
You created the redirect Language of wider communication, so I'm asking you:
Thanks! -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 11:59, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Amire80: Maybe English is the LF of Anglophone countries, but still a LWC if you're talking about Francophone countries? I have a linguistic dictionary around here somewhere, but can't find it. The Encyclopedia of Language & Linguistics, 2nd ed., doesn't use the phrase LWC often, and when they do I don't always see an obvious difference in meaning from LF. Ilocano, for example, in a LWC in northern Luzon, Amharic is the lingua franca of Ethiopia. "Tagalog, as a LWC and as a spreading lang, is being simplified," when Tagalog is obviously the LF of the Philippines. Similarly w the four LWCs of Congo -- Lingala, Luba, Kongo and Swahili -- those are usually described as LFs. And Nagamese Creole as a LWC. Maybe they mean that it's used at market, but not really as a LF in the communities? But, they do have "the role of English as the most important LWC in the world" -- would "LF" work there? And that East Timor has 15 native languages, 2 colonial langs, and English as a LWC -- in case I'd say Tetun is the LF. And Russian as the LWC in the Eastern Block during the Cold War -- I don't think I'd claim it was the LF of Hungary, for example. So, I conclude that a LF is a second language of a community. LWC can be used with the same meaning, but it can also be used for a language of education, or what you expect to have to use when you travel abroad -- not that enough ppl do that for it to become established an a LF within a country. Say, in the Philippines, Tagalog is the LF within the counttry itself (despite it being called a LWC in the Tagalog article in the ELL2) while English is the LWC. Turkish is the LF of Turkey, but German (or now maybe English) is the LWC.
I'd restore the rd and add a section explaining LF vs LWC, maybe cn-tag it and let your objector fix it up. I doubt LWC justifies a separate article any more than 'cars marketed in rural areas' would. — kwami ( talk) 01:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello Im new here I found u on lgbt pages I posted and created new pages concerning lgbt wikiproject Can u please edit them accept them and link them to other languages and if a table of info is needed can u do it And can u please do the portal and the categories please How can i be part of lgbt wikiproject please I translated new pages hope u see and check them They are these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:LGBT_Føroyar&create=Create+new+article+draft#See%20also AdamPrideTN ( talk) 22:10, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to bother u Forget the first msg i delete it the draft But when i search for it in google i cant find it :/ This is the real page Can u see to it please https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_Føroyar AdamPrideTN ( talk) 00:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
--sorry, I'm too retired for all of that. you should check in with WP:LGBT. — kwami ( talk) 05:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hello since you are updating languages figure with updated data. I request you to please update the Indian Languages figure. Here you shall get all the different languages that is spoken in India. Check the infobox their all languages are mentioned.-- 203.163.242.122 ( talk) 05:31, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
For most of these the 2011 Indian census is the latest info. The main problem is Hindi and the languages recently split off of it, since self-reporting does not reflect the spoken language well. — kwami ( talk) 06:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
The Indian census does not reliably distinguish the various languages of the Hindi belt. That's why they're all lumped together under 'Hindi'. Even Maithili and Dogri -- they're now recognized as official languages, but only 13M out of ca. 40M Maithili speakers reported their language as 'Maithili' rather than as 'Hindi' or 'Bihari', so the census doesn't tell us how many Maithili speakers there are. — kwami ( talk) 19:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Check this Source this source does have a breakup of Hindi sub groups. Another problem Punjabi people article does not state any source in the "Total population" section and giving a vague figure. while mentioning the figure please consider the Punjabi diaspora figure too should be taken into account.
If you have a RS for the ethnic population, that's fine. But non-Bengalis don't become Bengali upon learning the language, and whether the diaspora speaks the language or not is irrelevant. The only approximation I have is the number of native speakers. Do you have anything more accurate? — kwami ( talk) 05:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Fine. With Punjabi, there's also the question of whether speakers of Siraiki, Hindko etc. are "Punjabi". If they are, the population goes up, but who decides? I don't know if they themselves would have consensus on the issue. — kwami ( talk) 17:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect, I would like a word with you regarding your recent actions: Talk:Decipherment_of_rongorongo#Section_deleted -- Xcalibur ( talk) 04:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, not acceptable. Maybe a mention of BS in the section on BS, as I suggested (though we don't really need another example in addition to Fyoderova), but not a long, dedicated section. It should get no more coverage than the idea that the Earth is flat gets at Earth. — kwami ( talk) 17:04, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
We can post that in the talk page while it's being discussed. And you can always upload it again, or get it undeleted. — kwami ( talk) 17:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
I understand that. I assume you're talking about the rising and setting of Antares, since the others would be too simple for (c)? Frankly, even if we were to keep a section on him, that would take up a lot of space for what we get out of it. The final paragraph in the Fanciful section before I deleted everything would be about the maximum a crackpot idea like this would get (and there are plenty of others we don't give that much space to), and that img really doesn't fit there even when I keep the idea. — kwami ( talk) 17:33, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Speculative?? The idea that the word for a constellation will depend on which direction you're facing when you write it is ... bizarre, anyway. Maybe if that were the rising-setting distinction. Or if Rapanui had absolute direction in its deictic system, like Australian languages do. But this whole thesis is nothing but unconfirmed speculation, which is what makes it crackpot. There needs to be some demonstration that the translation/reading actually works. — kwami ( talk) 18:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello Kwamikagami,
I saw that you deleted the two Wikipedia articles "Uzbeki Arabic" and "Tajiki Arabic" in 2013. Now, both articles are linked with the article " Central Asian Arabic". I would like to ask you, why did you delete both articles? I would like to write more and extend both articles. However, before I will start with both articles I wanted to ask you, why these articles don`t exist anymore.
I would be happy if you reply.
Best regards,
Tom -- Tom112233 ( talk) 15:20, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Tom112233: Personally, I have a real problem allowing ISO to dictate our language coverage. ISO 639-3 is amateurish and unreliable. Many ISO languages are spurious. Some are arbitrary lumpings of different languages together, some are not even separate dialects, but just some village that said they want their own version of the Bible, some are defined by political boundaries, such as the same dialect of the same language having different ISO codes depending on whether it's on the Nigerian or Cameroonian side of the border, some are different names for the same language, some are different languages lumped together because they have the same name, and some don't exist at all. Remember, ISO is based on Ethnologue, which is not a reliable source. They've been trying to clean it up -- see spurious languages for their progress, but there's a long way to go. That's why Harald started Glottolog, but even then, for areas he's not familiar with, he often just inherits the Ethnologue/ISO definition of a language.
I think we should do better. If reliable sources (not Ethnologue, Glottolog or ISO -- though Glottolog is a great place to look for reliable sources) indicate that Uzbeki and Tadjiki Arabic are distinct languages, then fine. If they indicate that we've got dialects of a single language, than that's what our coverage should reflect. And if they're different languages but do not follow modern political boundaries, then again that's what our articles should reflect, or your work could be undone by someone who *is* following reliable sources. As for covering ISO, we can always add an ISO section to the article(s) explaining how ISO does not reflect reality. In such cases, ISO will probably eventually be adjusted to reflect reliable sources. (And indeed this has happened with several WP language articles, where we explained in a dedicated section that the ISO distinction was spurious, and then deleted that section when ISO fixed the problem.) The other way around is not likely to happen -- linguists don't give a fart what ISO says, they only care what the data says. If ISO reflects reality, it's a convenient way to identify a language, but it seems that's only true half the time, so a lot of linguists don't use ISO at all. — kwami ( talk) 18:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Tom112233: Okay, sounds good. I had my doubts the varieties would just happen to line up with modern political boundaries, but maybe they do. Though I think it might be a good idea to consider the possibility that someone based in Uzbekistan will investigate 'Uzbeki' Arabic, and someone based in Tajikistan will investigate 'Tajiki' Arabic. That in of itself doesn't mean the distinction corresponds to the border, any more than it does in many other cases where a language magically changes when it crosses a political boundary -- I'm thinking ISO East and West Punjabi, which are defined by the Indo-Pakistani border rather than by dialectology, or Karkar, which was thought to be a language isolate until Tim Usher noticed it was just a dialect of a Pauwasi language across the border. Borders get reified, and sources copy each other without bothering to check if they correspond to anything real. IMO it would be nice if you could locate a RS that considers all of the varieties of Central Arabic, and draws genealogical conclusions from the languages themselves. — kwami ( talk) 23:56, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Tom112233: Sorry, WP jargon, WP:RS 'reliable source' -- that is, a source that would be acceptable for academic writing. — kwami ( talk) 17:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
WP:DTR. FkpCascais ( talk) 08:57, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
How should I know you're a regular, when you don't even know what a RS is? — kwami ( talk) 09:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Hello ! In 2011, you wrote on Wallisian language that "Wallisian may be closely related to Rennellese". However, I could not find any source to back up that claim, and as such removed this sentence. But maybe you have a source that I could not find ;) Thanks! Skimel ( talk) 16:55, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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This article needs a lot of work, but I was wondering if you could offer any help or advice with describing the phonology. In particular, I find the way the whistled sibilants are transcribed to be rather odd, but I don't know what the best practice is for them. — Μετάknowledge discuss/ deeds 20:57, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
I wish I could help you. I've had the same problem, but I know nothing about this. [s͎] would be a whistled s per the extIPA, but I don't know if the Shona sounds are much like what that diacritic is used for in speech pathology. I suppose it doesn't matter -- with only the description we have, it's the only symbol available. What we need are native-speaker recordings of the words, esp. minimal pairs so we can hear the difference. — kwami ( talk) 21:08, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Help deleted image caption for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. Pv sindhu ( talk) 03:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
It looks like my edits undid some changes you made to the infobox. This wasn't intentional. My apologies, Hadron137 ( talk) 05:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
No problem. I was in the middle of redoing them anyway. — kwami ( talk) 05:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
I see that Engan, Madang, etc. have been removed from Trans-New Guinea, following Usher. However, this is not universally accepted; we should at least put "Trans-New Guinea (?)" and not follow Usher in every single article. We need to synthesize and look at Wichmann's, Hammarstrom's, Pawley's classifications, etc. and discuss how they are different from Usher's.
Why the preference for Usher's classification? — Stevey7788 ( talk) 19:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Could tell if Mungaka and Nga'ka language (that you created under the name Mungaka language) is the same language or not?
Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 19:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sure is. Thanks for catching that. I've started merging,, 'Mungaka' is older than my stub, as well as more informative, so it takes precedence. I've requested a quick delete of the MOS title so we can move it back. — kwami ( talk) 19:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Of course they're all supposed to be redirects. But redirects to where the article's been for years. Do you have a RS that it should be moved? — kwami ( talk) 01:39, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
There were duplicate articles under names A and B. A is the preferred name, per the MOS, but B has the more important article history. So I merged A into B, moved A out of the way to save its history, then requested the rd left behind at A be deleted so B can be moved to A, so that the more important history appears at the preserved name of the article.
Okay, thanks. — kwami ( talk) 01:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the merge, I merged the items in Wikidata too (which is where I catch this duplicate). Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 11:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
after reviewing your redirects, I saw that i.e. the Pannonian Rusyn dialect article exists, but the Carpathian_Rusyn_dialect has been lost and redirects into the Rusyn language...it was intentional or? What's with the content? Either fix the page or add it to the redirected article; apply in case what happened... Thank You!( KIENGIR ( talk) 00:30, 9 January 2019 (UTC))
Thanks. Intentional, yes. We often don't have articles for every dialect, and in this case the Carpathian Rusyn article was a content fork for the main Rusyn article. And for those who claim that Pannonian Rusyn is a separate language, plain ol' "Rusyn" *is* Carpathian, so there's no need for a separate article. So this should work. — kwami ( talk) 02:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I didn't see any content that wasn't already in the main article. Did I miss something? — kwami ( talk) 22:14, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I've looked again, and it appears that someone just duplicated the Rusyn article under the name 'Carpathian Rusyn'. So it was quite literally a redundant article. The only additional material was some non-English lit at the bottom, which I didn't bother to copy over. — kwami ( talk) 22:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
fix what? ---- Երևանցի talk 11:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello I created a dreaft about Draft:Same-sex marriage in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands from information that i can only find from the net Its short i know but its a jurisdiction so i think it deserves it's own like other overseas territories Do u know how and Would u help in any way to make it a page and not just a draft Thank you AdamPrideTN ( talk) 11:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
But no-one lives there! I don't really see the point. I suppose tourists could get married there, but it doesn't look like any have. I don't see that it really needs much work. I made a few minor changes. You can ask at ANI (or wherever) when you're ready and someone should move it for you.
If you want to write articles that we should have, I'd think the Mexican states that will have SSM soon will be important. — kwami ( talk) 12:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello sir Thx a lot it's done and it's okay if i don't get no credit. It's open for everyone and anyone can easily acceess and read it That's the important thing No need for my name in the history Thx a lot AdamPrideTN ( talk) 12:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
When creating redirects, is there any way you could check if there aren't other articles that could be referred to by the term? Take Naman for example: apart from the language, there are several villages and localities with the name. Before the creation of the redirect, if a reader had searched for this they would have seen all these articles in the search results. Once the redirect was created, they are taken straight to the language, without any way of getting to the other articles. – Uanfala (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm finished with the list, so I won't be making any more rd's like that. But I don't know how I'd be able to tell that there are other articles that could use a dab page. Can you think of anything, so I could go back and check? I'd think they'd have to be addressed one by one. — kwami ( talk) 23:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Uanfala: That dabfix app you used. Can I run my contribution list through it? — kwami ( talk) 00:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Wow that is slow! It took a few minutes to run just one of them. That's too big a chunk of my life! If you think it's a problem, I wouldn't object if you requested to have the one-word dab pages deleted. I would think any multi-word ones would be less likely to be an issue. — kwami ( talk) 00:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that's all it is. Anything that was a red link. I was wondering if I should also do the ISO names, but the ISO webpage links to WP now. Still, people may come across the ISO names elsewhere and it would be useful if they linked to the appropriate article.
Good. 'Intitle' makes it reasonably easy. I probably wouldn't bother w hyphenated or phrasal names, which would cut down the load a bit.
Some of the longer glottolog names are a bit ridiculous as rd's, but since they're the ones least likely to have any other use, I wasn't going to worry over it. — kwami ( talk) 00:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Just a friendly heads up on Maram language (Austro-Asiatic). I had to decline your speedy deletion request because the reason you gave is not one of the valid speedy reasons for redirects. Your best bet is to list it at WP:RfD. Cheers.---- Fabrictramp | talk to me 04:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not going to bother. WP can keep the clutter. — kwami ( talk) 04:07, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay, let's see if a bot takes care of it now. If not, I'll ask Stevey. — kwami ( talk) 00:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
No, it's not vandalism. It's a way to get a nonsensical rd deleted. — kwami ( talk) 04:17, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, you recently created a disambiguation page Swo containing Swo language and SWO. I can't find any other uses in Wikipedia for 'Swo' that are not acronyms, so there is no actual disambiguation needed here. I would suggest redirecting Swo to Swo language or adding Swo language to SWO and redirecting Swo to SWO. What do you think? Leschnei ( talk) 13:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that's fine, unless you think SWO could be a hatnote from Swo language. Maybe Swo's too uncommon for that, though. — kwami ( talk) 20:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello Kwamikagami. You recently created a disambiguation page at Noy by moving the article there. However, you left all the incoming links pointing at the disambiguation page. Could you clean this up and point them at Noy instead? Cheers, Number 5 7 19:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Sure. Sorry. — kwami ( talk) 19:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I'm currently a senior student at Stanford University studying computer science. Recently I'm taking on a design project of rebuilding Wikipedia's edit abuse filter! I'm just wondering if I can pick your brain on some questions regarding the editing process and bounce some ideas with you! Can I ask you some questions and perhaps hop on an interview? My email is zliu19@stanford.edu Thank you so much! 2601:647:4E00:440:601F:F5E4:6519:5186 ( talk) 02:56, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Why did you rename this township article? Please reanme " Wano Township" back to "Wano Township, Cheyenne County, Kansas" because township articles in Kansas have a similar naming format. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 19:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your edits in Taʽizzi-Adeni Arabic I wanted to ask you what are the differences between (')and ( ʽ )? And if they are the same which one is preferred in Wikipedia? Thanks-- SharabSalam ( talk) 09:43, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Re your post at WP:RM/TR, you don't see a move tab on Dhanggati language because the article was indefinitely move-protected on 11 March 2015 by User:Just Chilling. You might want to contact him or just start a WP:RM request. Station1 ( talk) 04:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Ngawun redirects to Ngawun people which is a redirect to Ngaon which is a redirect to Ngaun. A bot should be along to redirect the first two directly to Ngaun, but please can you check that this is their intended destination?
{{ Aboriginal peoples of the Northern Territory}} (139 transclusions) links to disambiguation page Ngewin. Should we just remove this entry? Ngarnka and Alawa are already listed separately, and the Ngaun don't seem to live in NT.
List of Indigenous Australian group names also links to several new dabs and is probably more likely to become correct if you can look at it yourself. I'll leave sorting out the remaining broken links until the dust settles.
Thanks, Certes ( talk) 11:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Certes: As for the list, I'm still going through the regional templates, and that's going to take a while. I'm trying to link them all to a language article, if their language is identified, and vice versa from the language to the ethnicity articles. Ideally, every ethnicity article would be linked to its AIATSIS (AustLang) page, either as a fn or in a 'External links' section, and the list should have an AIATSIS footnote for every entry that doesn't have its own WP article, but that's a huge amount of work that I probably won't be able to get to.
I did make sure that all 'confirmed' ethnolinguistic groups at AIATSIS have a language article (though often they share, if they're arguably dialects of the same language). We could do the same for 'people' articles, > [X people], many of which would rd's to the base name 'X'. Logically, the people should be the main article at the base name and the language (also culture, music, literature, history etc.) should be secondary articles, but when the language article is well developed and the 'main' article is just a stub, that seems silly and I prefer the base name to be a dab page. A problem when variants of the base name are rd's to the language article rather than to the people page. I've cleaned up some of those, but I'm sure there are many left. Sometimes hard to tell when a name is an alt for the people and when it's specifically the name of the language. — kwami ( talk) 21:07, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi. By the way, your editing in this area is much appreciated.
I'm perplexed by what you did at Kokomini, where I would have expected you to simply have retitled the article Gugumini rather than obliterate it by a useless redirect that tells you nothing of a group whom Norman Tindale, William Parry-Okeden, Walter Roth, Robert Hamilton Mathews, Ursula McConnel and others describe as a people with a distinct country and dialect, which is the defining characteristic of aboriginal identity. If Ursula McConnel for one can write
It is Yalungur who sends the unborn babies {mulgal-mulgal) to their mothers. She sits on a rock at Kanyar, between Wulbur and Yurgo, the country of the Koko-mini and Kokowara.(Ursula McConnel, A Moon Legend from the Bloomfield River, North Queensland, Oceania, Vol. 2, No. 1 (September 1931 pp. 9-25 p.15.
then we have to accept that the ethnographic record establishes them as a distinct identity from say the Gugu-Yalanji and many other tribes with the gugu-root behnd their ethnonym. It is classified by Tindale as an ethnic group, so your es 'it is not an ethnic group' is, to say the least, opaque and question-begging. Regards Nishidani ( talk) 23:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nishidani: Also, it looks like Wakaman may be a conflation of AIAITSIS Y233: Wakaman (which would link to/from Gugu Yalandji) and Y102: Tjapatja (which would not). And Kokangol (Yuwula) might just be an informant's name, per AIATSIS. — kwami ( talk) 00:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
The Kokomini are estimated by Norman Tindale to have had tribal grounds stretching over about 2,300 square miles (6,000 km2) along the middle Palmer and Mitchell rivers, extending westwards to the area where the two meet.[1] Their eastern limits were around Mount Mulgrave and Palmerville,
Certainly. Go ahead and restore the article however you think best. If you can catch the alt spelling rd's and point them to the main article, that would be helpful. — kwami ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nishidani: Your revert worked fine. I fixed the redirects. FYI, if you need to do this again, that's straightforward to do. Just go to the target page (in this case Paman languages). Under 'tools' on the left-hand margin of the page, click on 'what links here'. That gets you everything, so narrow the list down by selecting 'Hide links'. That will leave you with only the redirects. Then edit each of those to link to 'Kokomini' instead. I left one for you, as I wasn't sure what you'd want to do with it. That's 'ISO 639:ggm', the retired ISO code for 'Gugu Mini'. Since that's a language code, perhaps best to leave it as a rd to Paman languages, but up to you. The official ISO page will have a WP link to that rd, and people following it will probably be more interested in the language than in the ethnicity.
But, I turned the words 'Gugu Mini' at 'Paman languages' into a link, so people coming from the ISO code don't hit a dead end there. Sorry, I probably should've left all this stuff for you to do for practice, but maybe you can check the incoming links at Kokomini and play around with them there to familiarize yourself with them.
BTW, you used the spelling ' Gugumini' as the title of this thread. You can see from it being a red link that there's nothing there. That means that you can move the article there if you like. Up by 'article, talk, edit, history, watch' at the top of the Kokomini page, there should be a tab for 'move', so go ahead and move it if you prefer this spelling. If you don't have that option yet, I can move it for you.
As for AIATSIS, it would be better IMO to use the template I created. For the code above, that would be,
The reason that's superior is because, if AIATSIS changes their copyright info or their URL address (breaking all your links), and you have individual citations on all the pages, then you have to find every single instance and update them individually, which not only is time-consuming but you might overlook some. If you use the template, on the other hand, you only have to update that, and all the 'transclusions' of it will update automatically. Even if something needs to be done manually on individual pages, you can do an automated search of which pages use ('transclude') the template, so you won't need to worry about missing any. I did that recently when AIATSIS removed the asterisks from some language codes, breaking those links.
You can modify the template at {{ AIATSIS}} to format it the way you like.
— kwami ( talk) 19:54, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nishidani: No problem. I'm replacing the citation at Kokangol right now with the template, so you can tell me if I should modify it and how. Currently it's little more than a name and a link to the proper AIATSIS web page, but I can fix it up to look more professional.
I really would recommend incorporating the AIATSIS template into your default page format. Otherwise your hard work will be disrupted when they (inevitably) change their site address or format. Ethnologue has done that, Glottolog has done it, and AIATSIS has already changed their code format. It's just a matter of time before all your links to them are broken.
I've converted all your existing citations to the template. If you use it from now on, we should be good as long as they're online. And of course we can modify the format of the citation at any time. — kwami ( talk) 20:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Following its target change, I've diverted most of Martu Wangka's incoming links to Martu Wangka dialect. I think an expert should look at the one in Western Desert language#Dialects, where the community and language don't seem to match. Thanks, Certes ( talk) 15:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kwami,
I've posted a confusing question on the talk page at
Renminbi, but there seems to be very sparse activity there. I wonder if you know of any current editors here who might be fluent in Mandarin (and English!) that I could ping for assistance. Thanks very much.
Milkunderwood (
talk)
02:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi again – Since you seem to be up and about, let me ask you a really off the wall question. I pinged User:CapnPrep asking about the use of long s as opposed to round s in a 16th C French excerpt that he had posted, but I'm afraid he's probably long gone. Do you know anyone else who might have any insight on this kind of question? Milkunderwood ( talk) 04:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
This seems like the kind of question that would be profitable to ask at the WP Reference Desk. (If you clarify who "he" is, I might even be able to help.) — kwami ( talk) 04:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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For great, expeditious and lynx-eyed reviewing and correction of all Aboriginal articles, Nishidani ( talk) 16:37, 14 February 2019 (UTC) |
It would be appreciated if you could leave an explanation at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_Australia and linked at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board
there are quite a few changes going on - and the alignment with the AiTSis conventions - it would be very useful as 2019 is the Australian year of Indigenous languages - and as there has been no discussion (that I know of) about the across the board changes - it would be very good to have a record/explanation as to what you have been doing non stop it seems for the last week. Thank you in advance for an WP:AGF response and good explanation as well. JarrahTree 04:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I've been putting 'per AIATSIS' in the move summaries, though I missed the earlier ones. — kwami ( talk) 04:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
OK if its ok with you and you are showing lack of interest in posting what is going on - I will sometime at a later stage - relevant to the 2019 Indigenous Language issue - also as many items have had the word 'language' removed in the moves... JarrahTree 04:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what you're saying/asking. I'm not removing 'language' from any of the language names, just redirecting variants of the bare name to the article on the people if that also uses the bare name. It's not complete, there are still dozens of cases where one spelling directs to the people article and another spelling to the language, but it's a start. — kwami ( talk) 04:11, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
My problem with reading edit differences of moves perhaps - I am very interested in the edits - considering the sheer number of edits - and the apparent conversation only on your or nishidani's talk pages is why I would like to move the issue to wider audience - also on unrelated items across australian items there has been in the last year or two - conversations on standardisation of terminology and naming conventions for the australian project. Thanks for all your hard work! JarrahTree 04:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Okay. I've posted there. If people would like to use the AIATSIS reference names, that would require mass move requests to override the existing rd's from those spellings. Of course, AIATSIS changes their ref names fairly frequently, so it's not like we'd need to follow any source 100%. — kwami ( talk) 04:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Very kind of you to explain - personally my understanding of indigenous australian name variants is that give me tibetan or javanese any time... JarrahTree 01:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sorry but the law and constitution specefically without doubt ban same sex marriages and uses man wome The law was not striken down by the suoreme or constitutional court of the country The statuoary ban still exist and as u know u doubt that the right conservative parliament and goverment will never change the law nor accept itvesides the same marriage was not recognised so
Is it wise to assume as many did like in marriages ban or recongnition in europe or european union pages that poland no longer still has a constitutional marriage ban I think it does have and will have it So editing wrongly other pages on that is wrong? Should we revert them to point that poland still has the ban it dasnt striken down or changed u know What do u think? Thank u AdamPrideTN ( talk) 01:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello. Please can you check my edits to dab Ngalia and fix as appropriate? I've fixed most of the incoming links but Loritja and Wirangu people still link to the dab intending a language. One idea is to link them to {{ R from subtopic}} redirects Ngaliya language → Warlpiri and Ngalea language → Western Desert language but I'd rather leave that to a specialist. Thanks, Certes ( talk) 18:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Aluratji ( Ngalia exonym)linking to Warlpiri? On reflection they're probably dialects rather than languages anyway. Certes ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
I thought an arbitrary division of the alt spellings might work, but this is just too confusing. It's like using "Mexico" for the country and "Mejico" for the state. I moved the ethno articles to 'Ngalia (X)' to make the difference clear. Sorry if that's messed up the work you've done. I'll follow up on some of the links. — kwami ( talk) 18:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Hard links to 'Ngaliya people', which might not all intend the Warlpiri's neighbors - Tjilpa, Warlpiri people, Songline, Pintupi, Ngarti, Yumu. I'll try to fix them up, but some may end up at the dab. — kwami ( talk) 19:38, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Naw, they all look correct. Rd'd both Ngaliya and Ngalea to Ngalia, now that there are no more incoming links.
Kwami, can you review the tables on this page for accuracy? Some of the changes introduced by an IP last month seem clearly wrong to me, but I suspect there are other errors too. Abecedare ( talk) 22:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Abecedare:. How's that? I might've gone too far back with <ai>, <au>, though. — kwami ( talk) 02:53, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
When you want to move "Foo" to "Bar", instead of first moving "Foo" to "Bar ()", then redirecting "Bar" to "Bar ()" and then tagging "Bar" for G6, wouldn't it be a lot simpler if you skipped the first couple of steps and just tagged "Bar" instead? I imagine you believe that you'd stand a lower chance of getting the speedy declined that way, but you risk leaving the appearance of gaming the system, you create several unnecessary steps in the process that add clutter to watchlists and page histories, the articles get left at bizarre titles until the next admin comes along to clear out the categories, and some of these titles would occasionally get left behind as pointless redirects that somebody will eventually have to deal with. – Uanfala (talk) 04:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Currently
Altaic people redirects to
Altaic languages. That does not seem correct: the Altaic people are not languages, they may not speak "Altaic languages", and most seakers of "Altaic languages" are not "Altaic people".
Readers who look up "Altaic people" may be looking for
Altay people, or for people who live in the
Altai Mountains region, or maybe other things.
This seems to be the kind of potential confusion that disambiguation pages were supposed to help resolve. However, "Altaic (disambiguation)" is a redlink with a warning that the page once existed but was deleted by you. Would you care to explain why? Would you object if I create it again?
All the best, --
Jorge Stolfi (
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01:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
What do you think of the recently created article Negro-Egyptian languages? – Uanfala (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
We know that Negro-Egyptian languages is pure pseudoscience. But I've dealt with some of these people in real life, and it's like talking to fundamentalist evangelicals. They are 100% convinced that there's nothing wrong with their thinking no matter how hard you try to explain it to them. Hence, I've kept it short and sweet at Talk:Negro-Egyptian languages. Being nice and civil to them and gently telling them to put their "great work" elsewhere usually works better. — Stevey7788 ( talk) 13:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello Sorry to bother you but the colouring and key of this important map is wrong
It is used in Societal attitudes toward homosexuality and maybe others Hope you or anyone else fix it soon cos i'm unable to do so Thank you
AdamPrideTN ( talk) 10:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Sure, Adam. I take it you want the colors of the map to match the key you presented. But it will take some time for me to verify which color corresponds to which (I hope there's a %age table somewhere?), so I don't introduce errors. Not sure I can get to it today, and wont't be able to tomorrow. — kwami ( talk) 20:54, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Looks like someone already did that, and was reverted for no consensus. I agree that your color scheme is much clearer, but there should be some discussion. Also, whoever does this has the responsibility to change the keys in all the different language WPs that use this map. — kwami ( talk) 05:07, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions. I am happy with the wording you have chosen for the phrase about the Altaic hypothesis (although I do think that it is perhaps a little too harsh on the Altaic hypothesis, there are still Altaicists around, but as I say I'm happy with what is there at the moment).
I am unfortunately not very knowledgeable about linguistics, and so cannot contribute very much to the "isolate" discussion, but my reasoning was that as there are no other universally accepted extant Koreanic languages, it would be reasonable to refer to it as an isolate. I believe it is still referred to as isolate elsewhere in the article and in other articles and I think this should at least be consistent. Would you mind me suggesting that you open a thread on the Korean Language talk page to discuss this with people more knowledgeable than myself.
Thanks for messaging me rather than just reverting my changes.
RobbieM13 ( talk) 15:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind my recent additions on the topic. On another note, Vovin doesn't think Han languages were Koreanic. He believes they were Japonic, and was replaced by Koreanic speakers from Goguryeo in the Three Kingdoms of Korea period. According to his theory and some others, Silla and Baekje languages were established by these Goguryeo migrants, and prior to this expansion, people in southern Korea, including Samhan and Jeju, spoke Japonic languages. Koraskadi ( talk) 09:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Koraskadi: But those weren't Han. The Han languages were Sillan and its closest relatives, and today Korean and Jeju. I'd be interested in reading about Samhan being Japonic. — kwami ( talk) 09:58, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Do you have any proof that Aruba does not recognize same-sex marriages performed in the metropolitan Netherlands as marriages? Recognition of such marriages was established by the court ruling years before the island enacted registered partnership law. And no, unequal treatment is not a proof, as we are talking about the designation of "marriage" itself. Ron 1987 ( talk) 17:55, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello I was planning to create a Timeline of LGBT history in Mexico (which i did now) u can find it in the history section that is still there I was going to leave the history of precolumbian and moved to the history part that there is now And move the timeline section to a new timeline page (I hope its clear) A pity now that there is some editor who erased all the first history part containing timeline And now its blocked and i cannot find it to move it to the new intended article of timeline of LGBT History in Mexico Any idea how can that valuable content of the first removed history can be found and moved to the new page Any help please Thank you AdamPrideTN ( talk) 14:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@ AdamPrideTN: -- can you narrow down the search for me? Where did the table appear? In LGBT rights in Mexico? And when was it written/deleted? (I just need to know what date range to look for it in.) For example, there's a timeline here. Is that not what you wanted? — kwami ( talk) 18:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello Yes yes that one thank you It is missing some info of late 2018 and 2019 But yes that one If u see the history of the page today an editor name king of xavier delete it all sating no two histories But when i tried to find it to mive it to a new page timeline I didnt Would u look more for it or can u copy that into the new main page the last edit of me in the page Thank u AdamPrideTN ( talk) 18:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Diannaa: Adam, it wasn't King of Xavier. User:Diannaa deleted the history with the edit summary "remove copyright content copied from https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/29/mexico-transgender-ruling-beacon-change." Maybe they could explain? A simple timeline shouldn't be a copyright violation, but maybe you took too much of their wording. Also, they might've deleted stuff that didn't violate copyright because the version of the page with those edits of your also included the copy-vio. Maybe Diannaa could clip out the stuff that wasn't copy-vio for you? — kwami ( talk) 19:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by "diluted". The figures didn't check out, so I reverted, but there's little difference in the display with it being rounded off. — kwami ( talk) 21:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
You mean you don't want it broken down by country after the total? I could put that in the lead. — kwami ( talk) 02:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi kwami. I want to merge Nuclear Malayo-Polynesian languages into the NMP section in Malayo-Polynesian languages. The NMP-hypothesis was proposed in a single publication, and never caught up among Austronesianists. It’s definitely not fringe, but just a “one hit wonder”, so a full article runs a bit against WP:Notability. Before doing a bold and cold merger, I ask specifically you first, as you did most edits to the article–most of them 10yrs ago. But I guess, from your current perspective you will probably agree with the merger. — Austronesier ( talk) 15:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. That's fine. I was trying to bring a little navigatibility rather than just having a comb-like classification with dozens of branches, but if it never caught on, not much sense in keeping it. — kwami ( talk) 02:24, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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Eek, what a pagemove/pagefork mess by Ngunalik:
Can you please fix? Thanks. 82.132.215.31 ( talk) 02:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I can't, but I made a request at WP:RMT. Let me know if that bogs down, and I'll try s.t. else. — kwami ( talk) 05:13, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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It's Wouk & Ross. It may not be notable enough for a WP article if it hasn't been adopted elsewhere. — kwami ( talk) 17:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami,
I have
declined the
WP:G13 deletion of that draft. While it does appear to duplicate
Akuntsu language, it would appear to me that the draft includes references from scholarly journals. Perhaps this could be
WP:MERGE-d to some other article?
Your thoughts about this? Pete AU aka --
Shirt58 (
talk)
10:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Shirt58: I hadn't requested the speedy. Just now I created rd's so we don't end up w duplicate articles. Sure, any good info should be merged. There's a lot of fluff in the draft, though. It looks like a school essay project and doesn't take advantage of the fact that WP has interlinks. E.g., nearly the entire 'Language Family' section is a content fork of the family article. The Overview section belongs in Akuntsu rather than the language article. But the grammar, yeah, there's presumably a lot of good stuff, though irrelevant fluff like the layout of Aragon's grammar would appear to just be essay padding. — kwami ( talk) 18:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello. Please could you check the recent changes to Zotung People (Tribe), or pass my request on to a suitable expert? Thanks, Certes ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
I noticed you added a statement in the Braille page, stating that Braille literacy is a social-justice issue, but you didn't provide a source for the claim. Far be it for me to call to the carpet such an experienced editor as yourself, but could you please provide justification/clarification for that statement? It would seem to me that a direct quote from a policy maker or expert in the field saying it's a "social justice issue" would be best. Thank you in advance for your assistance, and I hope I haven't trod on your toes too much. - Trumblej1986 ( talk) 17:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Sure thing. The ref was in the main text. — kwami ( talk) 20:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Trumblej1986 ( talk) 20:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Kwamikagami. I've seen that you've edited in other articles things related to the IPA, something I don't understand much. Could you add the English pronunciation of Onychopterella to its article, please? Thanks! Super Ψ Dro 12:39, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Super Dromaeosaurus: Sure thing. I'm assuming there are not three stressed syllables, so I didn't mark the 3rd (ON-y-cop-te-REL-la rather than ON-y-COP-te-REL-la), but that's a guess. — kwami ( talk) 19:23, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I'd regularize it to ON-ə-kop-tə-REL-ə. — kwami ( talk) 20:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
https://ilga.org/state-sponsored-homophobia-report
Hi the latest 2019 ilga report is very important and highly big and informative Many lgbt country pages in africa asia and (even americas) need to be updated urhently Take ur time and check and hope u can update the countries Some unapdated even from 2011
There is also the blog erasing 76 Like this just write the name of country and erasing 76 in google like that
Also there is The U.S. Department of State's 2019 Human Rights Report
I would do it happily but i'm focusing much on the translating English LGBT content pages into Arabic all the time and can't much
Thx good luck (no pressure of course, just a suggestion) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 08:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
http://www.equalityontrial.com/2019/06/25/625-open-thread/#idc-container
https://mobile.twitter.com/lgbtmarriage
https://m.facebook.com/nelfa.aisbl/
Are one of the best sites woth sources that provides daily updates about lgbt rights (some that go unedited for weeks)
I would advice you to check them from time to time for updates
I would do what i can happily but i'm focusing much on the translating English LGBT content pages into Arabic all the time and can't much
Thx good luck (no pressure of course, just a suggestion) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 08:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I found that you protected the Maltese language article in 2009 for sockpuppetry. Do you think the article should be unprotected after all these years? Regards, JACKINTHEBOX • TALK 07:29, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi,
I kept running into the LWC abbreviation in Ethnologue. I found the LWC disambiguation page here. It didn't include an entry for Language of wider communication, so I added it.
User:GB fan reverted it , saying that Lingua franca doesn't discuss Language of wider communication.
You created the redirect Language of wider communication, so I'm asking you:
Thanks! -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 11:59, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Amire80: Maybe English is the LF of Anglophone countries, but still a LWC if you're talking about Francophone countries? I have a linguistic dictionary around here somewhere, but can't find it. The Encyclopedia of Language & Linguistics, 2nd ed., doesn't use the phrase LWC often, and when they do I don't always see an obvious difference in meaning from LF. Ilocano, for example, in a LWC in northern Luzon, Amharic is the lingua franca of Ethiopia. "Tagalog, as a LWC and as a spreading lang, is being simplified," when Tagalog is obviously the LF of the Philippines. Similarly w the four LWCs of Congo -- Lingala, Luba, Kongo and Swahili -- those are usually described as LFs. And Nagamese Creole as a LWC. Maybe they mean that it's used at market, but not really as a LF in the communities? But, they do have "the role of English as the most important LWC in the world" -- would "LF" work there? And that East Timor has 15 native languages, 2 colonial langs, and English as a LWC -- in case I'd say Tetun is the LF. And Russian as the LWC in the Eastern Block during the Cold War -- I don't think I'd claim it was the LF of Hungary, for example. So, I conclude that a LF is a second language of a community. LWC can be used with the same meaning, but it can also be used for a language of education, or what you expect to have to use when you travel abroad -- not that enough ppl do that for it to become established an a LF within a country. Say, in the Philippines, Tagalog is the LF within the counttry itself (despite it being called a LWC in the Tagalog article in the ELL2) while English is the LWC. Turkish is the LF of Turkey, but German (or now maybe English) is the LWC.
I'd restore the rd and add a section explaining LF vs LWC, maybe cn-tag it and let your objector fix it up. I doubt LWC justifies a separate article any more than 'cars marketed in rural areas' would. — kwami ( talk) 01:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello Im new here I found u on lgbt pages I posted and created new pages concerning lgbt wikiproject Can u please edit them accept them and link them to other languages and if a table of info is needed can u do it And can u please do the portal and the categories please How can i be part of lgbt wikiproject please I translated new pages hope u see and check them They are these https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:LGBT_Føroyar&create=Create+new+article+draft#See%20also AdamPrideTN ( talk) 22:10, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to bother u Forget the first msg i delete it the draft But when i search for it in google i cant find it :/ This is the real page Can u see to it please https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_Føroyar AdamPrideTN ( talk) 00:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
--sorry, I'm too retired for all of that. you should check in with WP:LGBT. — kwami ( talk) 05:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
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Hello since you are updating languages figure with updated data. I request you to please update the Indian Languages figure. Here you shall get all the different languages that is spoken in India. Check the infobox their all languages are mentioned.-- 203.163.242.122 ( talk) 05:31, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
For most of these the 2011 Indian census is the latest info. The main problem is Hindi and the languages recently split off of it, since self-reporting does not reflect the spoken language well. — kwami ( talk) 06:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
The Indian census does not reliably distinguish the various languages of the Hindi belt. That's why they're all lumped together under 'Hindi'. Even Maithili and Dogri -- they're now recognized as official languages, but only 13M out of ca. 40M Maithili speakers reported their language as 'Maithili' rather than as 'Hindi' or 'Bihari', so the census doesn't tell us how many Maithili speakers there are. — kwami ( talk) 19:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Check this Source this source does have a breakup of Hindi sub groups. Another problem Punjabi people article does not state any source in the "Total population" section and giving a vague figure. while mentioning the figure please consider the Punjabi diaspora figure too should be taken into account.
If you have a RS for the ethnic population, that's fine. But non-Bengalis don't become Bengali upon learning the language, and whether the diaspora speaks the language or not is irrelevant. The only approximation I have is the number of native speakers. Do you have anything more accurate? — kwami ( talk) 05:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Fine. With Punjabi, there's also the question of whether speakers of Siraiki, Hindko etc. are "Punjabi". If they are, the population goes up, but who decides? I don't know if they themselves would have consensus on the issue. — kwami ( talk) 17:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect, I would like a word with you regarding your recent actions: Talk:Decipherment_of_rongorongo#Section_deleted -- Xcalibur ( talk) 04:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, not acceptable. Maybe a mention of BS in the section on BS, as I suggested (though we don't really need another example in addition to Fyoderova), but not a long, dedicated section. It should get no more coverage than the idea that the Earth is flat gets at Earth. — kwami ( talk) 17:04, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
We can post that in the talk page while it's being discussed. And you can always upload it again, or get it undeleted. — kwami ( talk) 17:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
I understand that. I assume you're talking about the rising and setting of Antares, since the others would be too simple for (c)? Frankly, even if we were to keep a section on him, that would take up a lot of space for what we get out of it. The final paragraph in the Fanciful section before I deleted everything would be about the maximum a crackpot idea like this would get (and there are plenty of others we don't give that much space to), and that img really doesn't fit there even when I keep the idea. — kwami ( talk) 17:33, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Speculative?? The idea that the word for a constellation will depend on which direction you're facing when you write it is ... bizarre, anyway. Maybe if that were the rising-setting distinction. Or if Rapanui had absolute direction in its deictic system, like Australian languages do. But this whole thesis is nothing but unconfirmed speculation, which is what makes it crackpot. There needs to be some demonstration that the translation/reading actually works. — kwami ( talk) 18:05, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Hello Kwamikagami,
I saw that you deleted the two Wikipedia articles "Uzbeki Arabic" and "Tajiki Arabic" in 2013. Now, both articles are linked with the article " Central Asian Arabic". I would like to ask you, why did you delete both articles? I would like to write more and extend both articles. However, before I will start with both articles I wanted to ask you, why these articles don`t exist anymore.
I would be happy if you reply.
Best regards,
Tom -- Tom112233 ( talk) 15:20, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi @ Tom112233: Personally, I have a real problem allowing ISO to dictate our language coverage. ISO 639-3 is amateurish and unreliable. Many ISO languages are spurious. Some are arbitrary lumpings of different languages together, some are not even separate dialects, but just some village that said they want their own version of the Bible, some are defined by political boundaries, such as the same dialect of the same language having different ISO codes depending on whether it's on the Nigerian or Cameroonian side of the border, some are different names for the same language, some are different languages lumped together because they have the same name, and some don't exist at all. Remember, ISO is based on Ethnologue, which is not a reliable source. They've been trying to clean it up -- see spurious languages for their progress, but there's a long way to go. That's why Harald started Glottolog, but even then, for areas he's not familiar with, he often just inherits the Ethnologue/ISO definition of a language.
I think we should do better. If reliable sources (not Ethnologue, Glottolog or ISO -- though Glottolog is a great place to look for reliable sources) indicate that Uzbeki and Tadjiki Arabic are distinct languages, then fine. If they indicate that we've got dialects of a single language, than that's what our coverage should reflect. And if they're different languages but do not follow modern political boundaries, then again that's what our articles should reflect, or your work could be undone by someone who *is* following reliable sources. As for covering ISO, we can always add an ISO section to the article(s) explaining how ISO does not reflect reality. In such cases, ISO will probably eventually be adjusted to reflect reliable sources. (And indeed this has happened with several WP language articles, where we explained in a dedicated section that the ISO distinction was spurious, and then deleted that section when ISO fixed the problem.) The other way around is not likely to happen -- linguists don't give a fart what ISO says, they only care what the data says. If ISO reflects reality, it's a convenient way to identify a language, but it seems that's only true half the time, so a lot of linguists don't use ISO at all. — kwami ( talk) 18:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Tom112233: Okay, sounds good. I had my doubts the varieties would just happen to line up with modern political boundaries, but maybe they do. Though I think it might be a good idea to consider the possibility that someone based in Uzbekistan will investigate 'Uzbeki' Arabic, and someone based in Tajikistan will investigate 'Tajiki' Arabic. That in of itself doesn't mean the distinction corresponds to the border, any more than it does in many other cases where a language magically changes when it crosses a political boundary -- I'm thinking ISO East and West Punjabi, which are defined by the Indo-Pakistani border rather than by dialectology, or Karkar, which was thought to be a language isolate until Tim Usher noticed it was just a dialect of a Pauwasi language across the border. Borders get reified, and sources copy each other without bothering to check if they correspond to anything real. IMO it would be nice if you could locate a RS that considers all of the varieties of Central Arabic, and draws genealogical conclusions from the languages themselves. — kwami ( talk) 23:56, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Tom112233: Sorry, WP jargon, WP:RS 'reliable source' -- that is, a source that would be acceptable for academic writing. — kwami ( talk) 17:09, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
WP:DTR. FkpCascais ( talk) 08:57, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
How should I know you're a regular, when you don't even know what a RS is? — kwami ( talk) 09:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Hello ! In 2011, you wrote on Wallisian language that "Wallisian may be closely related to Rennellese". However, I could not find any source to back up that claim, and as such removed this sentence. But maybe you have a source that I could not find ;) Thanks! Skimel ( talk) 16:55, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
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This article needs a lot of work, but I was wondering if you could offer any help or advice with describing the phonology. In particular, I find the way the whistled sibilants are transcribed to be rather odd, but I don't know what the best practice is for them. — Μετάknowledge discuss/ deeds 20:57, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
I wish I could help you. I've had the same problem, but I know nothing about this. [s͎] would be a whistled s per the extIPA, but I don't know if the Shona sounds are much like what that diacritic is used for in speech pathology. I suppose it doesn't matter -- with only the description we have, it's the only symbol available. What we need are native-speaker recordings of the words, esp. minimal pairs so we can hear the difference. — kwami ( talk) 21:08, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Help deleted image caption for article Maureen Wroblewitz. Thanks you. Pv sindhu ( talk) 03:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
It looks like my edits undid some changes you made to the infobox. This wasn't intentional. My apologies, Hadron137 ( talk) 05:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
No problem. I was in the middle of redoing them anyway. — kwami ( talk) 05:25, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
I see that Engan, Madang, etc. have been removed from Trans-New Guinea, following Usher. However, this is not universally accepted; we should at least put "Trans-New Guinea (?)" and not follow Usher in every single article. We need to synthesize and look at Wichmann's, Hammarstrom's, Pawley's classifications, etc. and discuss how they are different from Usher's.
Why the preference for Usher's classification? — Stevey7788 ( talk) 19:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
Could tell if Mungaka and Nga'ka language (that you created under the name Mungaka language) is the same language or not?
Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 19:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sure is. Thanks for catching that. I've started merging,, 'Mungaka' is older than my stub, as well as more informative, so it takes precedence. I've requested a quick delete of the MOS title so we can move it back. — kwami ( talk) 19:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Of course they're all supposed to be redirects. But redirects to where the article's been for years. Do you have a RS that it should be moved? — kwami ( talk) 01:39, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
There were duplicate articles under names A and B. A is the preferred name, per the MOS, but B has the more important article history. So I merged A into B, moved A out of the way to save its history, then requested the rd left behind at A be deleted so B can be moved to A, so that the more important history appears at the preserved name of the article.
Okay, thanks. — kwami ( talk) 01:58, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the merge, I merged the items in Wikidata too (which is where I catch this duplicate). Cheers, VIGNERON * discut. 11:24, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi,
after reviewing your redirects, I saw that i.e. the Pannonian Rusyn dialect article exists, but the Carpathian_Rusyn_dialect has been lost and redirects into the Rusyn language...it was intentional or? What's with the content? Either fix the page or add it to the redirected article; apply in case what happened... Thank You!( KIENGIR ( talk) 00:30, 9 January 2019 (UTC))
Thanks. Intentional, yes. We often don't have articles for every dialect, and in this case the Carpathian Rusyn article was a content fork for the main Rusyn article. And for those who claim that Pannonian Rusyn is a separate language, plain ol' "Rusyn" *is* Carpathian, so there's no need for a separate article. So this should work. — kwami ( talk) 02:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I didn't see any content that wasn't already in the main article. Did I miss something? — kwami ( talk) 22:14, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
I've looked again, and it appears that someone just duplicated the Rusyn article under the name 'Carpathian Rusyn'. So it was quite literally a redundant article. The only additional material was some non-English lit at the bottom, which I didn't bother to copy over. — kwami ( talk) 22:31, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
fix what? ---- Երևանցի talk 11:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello I created a dreaft about Draft:Same-sex marriage in South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands from information that i can only find from the net Its short i know but its a jurisdiction so i think it deserves it's own like other overseas territories Do u know how and Would u help in any way to make it a page and not just a draft Thank you AdamPrideTN ( talk) 11:46, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
But no-one lives there! I don't really see the point. I suppose tourists could get married there, but it doesn't look like any have. I don't see that it really needs much work. I made a few minor changes. You can ask at ANI (or wherever) when you're ready and someone should move it for you.
If you want to write articles that we should have, I'd think the Mexican states that will have SSM soon will be important. — kwami ( talk) 12:54, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello sir Thx a lot it's done and it's okay if i don't get no credit. It's open for everyone and anyone can easily acceess and read it That's the important thing No need for my name in the history Thx a lot AdamPrideTN ( talk) 12:14, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
When creating redirects, is there any way you could check if there aren't other articles that could be referred to by the term? Take Naman for example: apart from the language, there are several villages and localities with the name. Before the creation of the redirect, if a reader had searched for this they would have seen all these articles in the search results. Once the redirect was created, they are taken straight to the language, without any way of getting to the other articles. – Uanfala (talk) 23:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm finished with the list, so I won't be making any more rd's like that. But I don't know how I'd be able to tell that there are other articles that could use a dab page. Can you think of anything, so I could go back and check? I'd think they'd have to be addressed one by one. — kwami ( talk) 23:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@ Uanfala: That dabfix app you used. Can I run my contribution list through it? — kwami ( talk) 00:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Wow that is slow! It took a few minutes to run just one of them. That's too big a chunk of my life! If you think it's a problem, I wouldn't object if you requested to have the one-word dab pages deleted. I would think any multi-word ones would be less likely to be an issue. — kwami ( talk) 00:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that's all it is. Anything that was a red link. I was wondering if I should also do the ISO names, but the ISO webpage links to WP now. Still, people may come across the ISO names elsewhere and it would be useful if they linked to the appropriate article.
Good. 'Intitle' makes it reasonably easy. I probably wouldn't bother w hyphenated or phrasal names, which would cut down the load a bit.
Some of the longer glottolog names are a bit ridiculous as rd's, but since they're the ones least likely to have any other use, I wasn't going to worry over it. — kwami ( talk) 00:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Just a friendly heads up on Maram language (Austro-Asiatic). I had to decline your speedy deletion request because the reason you gave is not one of the valid speedy reasons for redirects. Your best bet is to list it at WP:RfD. Cheers.---- Fabrictramp | talk to me 04:00, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not going to bother. WP can keep the clutter. — kwami ( talk) 04:07, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Okay, let's see if a bot takes care of it now. If not, I'll ask Stevey. — kwami ( talk) 00:34, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
No, it's not vandalism. It's a way to get a nonsensical rd deleted. — kwami ( talk) 04:17, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami, you recently created a disambiguation page Swo containing Swo language and SWO. I can't find any other uses in Wikipedia for 'Swo' that are not acronyms, so there is no actual disambiguation needed here. I would suggest redirecting Swo to Swo language or adding Swo language to SWO and redirecting Swo to SWO. What do you think? Leschnei ( talk) 13:55, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, that's fine, unless you think SWO could be a hatnote from Swo language. Maybe Swo's too uncommon for that, though. — kwami ( talk) 20:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Hello Kwamikagami. You recently created a disambiguation page at Noy by moving the article there. However, you left all the incoming links pointing at the disambiguation page. Could you clean this up and point them at Noy instead? Cheers, Number 5 7 19:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Sure. Sorry. — kwami ( talk) 19:55, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I'm currently a senior student at Stanford University studying computer science. Recently I'm taking on a design project of rebuilding Wikipedia's edit abuse filter! I'm just wondering if I can pick your brain on some questions regarding the editing process and bounce some ideas with you! Can I ask you some questions and perhaps hop on an interview? My email is zliu19@stanford.edu Thank you so much! 2601:647:4E00:440:601F:F5E4:6519:5186 ( talk) 02:56, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Why did you rename this township article? Please reanme " Wano Township" back to "Wano Township, Cheyenne County, Kansas" because township articles in Kansas have a similar naming format. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 19:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your edits in Taʽizzi-Adeni Arabic I wanted to ask you what are the differences between (')and ( ʽ )? And if they are the same which one is preferred in Wikipedia? Thanks-- SharabSalam ( talk) 09:43, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Re your post at WP:RM/TR, you don't see a move tab on Dhanggati language because the article was indefinitely move-protected on 11 March 2015 by User:Just Chilling. You might want to contact him or just start a WP:RM request. Station1 ( talk) 04:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Ngawun redirects to Ngawun people which is a redirect to Ngaon which is a redirect to Ngaun. A bot should be along to redirect the first two directly to Ngaun, but please can you check that this is their intended destination?
{{ Aboriginal peoples of the Northern Territory}} (139 transclusions) links to disambiguation page Ngewin. Should we just remove this entry? Ngarnka and Alawa are already listed separately, and the Ngaun don't seem to live in NT.
List of Indigenous Australian group names also links to several new dabs and is probably more likely to become correct if you can look at it yourself. I'll leave sorting out the remaining broken links until the dust settles.
Thanks, Certes ( talk) 11:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Certes: As for the list, I'm still going through the regional templates, and that's going to take a while. I'm trying to link them all to a language article, if their language is identified, and vice versa from the language to the ethnicity articles. Ideally, every ethnicity article would be linked to its AIATSIS (AustLang) page, either as a fn or in a 'External links' section, and the list should have an AIATSIS footnote for every entry that doesn't have its own WP article, but that's a huge amount of work that I probably won't be able to get to.
I did make sure that all 'confirmed' ethnolinguistic groups at AIATSIS have a language article (though often they share, if they're arguably dialects of the same language). We could do the same for 'people' articles, > [X people], many of which would rd's to the base name 'X'. Logically, the people should be the main article at the base name and the language (also culture, music, literature, history etc.) should be secondary articles, but when the language article is well developed and the 'main' article is just a stub, that seems silly and I prefer the base name to be a dab page. A problem when variants of the base name are rd's to the language article rather than to the people page. I've cleaned up some of those, but I'm sure there are many left. Sometimes hard to tell when a name is an alt for the people and when it's specifically the name of the language. — kwami ( talk) 21:07, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi. By the way, your editing in this area is much appreciated.
I'm perplexed by what you did at Kokomini, where I would have expected you to simply have retitled the article Gugumini rather than obliterate it by a useless redirect that tells you nothing of a group whom Norman Tindale, William Parry-Okeden, Walter Roth, Robert Hamilton Mathews, Ursula McConnel and others describe as a people with a distinct country and dialect, which is the defining characteristic of aboriginal identity. If Ursula McConnel for one can write
It is Yalungur who sends the unborn babies {mulgal-mulgal) to their mothers. She sits on a rock at Kanyar, between Wulbur and Yurgo, the country of the Koko-mini and Kokowara.(Ursula McConnel, A Moon Legend from the Bloomfield River, North Queensland, Oceania, Vol. 2, No. 1 (September 1931 pp. 9-25 p.15.
then we have to accept that the ethnographic record establishes them as a distinct identity from say the Gugu-Yalanji and many other tribes with the gugu-root behnd their ethnonym. It is classified by Tindale as an ethnic group, so your es 'it is not an ethnic group' is, to say the least, opaque and question-begging. Regards Nishidani ( talk) 23:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nishidani: Also, it looks like Wakaman may be a conflation of AIAITSIS Y233: Wakaman (which would link to/from Gugu Yalandji) and Y102: Tjapatja (which would not). And Kokangol (Yuwula) might just be an informant's name, per AIATSIS. — kwami ( talk) 00:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
The Kokomini are estimated by Norman Tindale to have had tribal grounds stretching over about 2,300 square miles (6,000 km2) along the middle Palmer and Mitchell rivers, extending westwards to the area where the two meet.[1] Their eastern limits were around Mount Mulgrave and Palmerville,
Certainly. Go ahead and restore the article however you think best. If you can catch the alt spelling rd's and point them to the main article, that would be helpful. — kwami ( talk) 09:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nishidani: Your revert worked fine. I fixed the redirects. FYI, if you need to do this again, that's straightforward to do. Just go to the target page (in this case Paman languages). Under 'tools' on the left-hand margin of the page, click on 'what links here'. That gets you everything, so narrow the list down by selecting 'Hide links'. That will leave you with only the redirects. Then edit each of those to link to 'Kokomini' instead. I left one for you, as I wasn't sure what you'd want to do with it. That's 'ISO 639:ggm', the retired ISO code for 'Gugu Mini'. Since that's a language code, perhaps best to leave it as a rd to Paman languages, but up to you. The official ISO page will have a WP link to that rd, and people following it will probably be more interested in the language than in the ethnicity.
But, I turned the words 'Gugu Mini' at 'Paman languages' into a link, so people coming from the ISO code don't hit a dead end there. Sorry, I probably should've left all this stuff for you to do for practice, but maybe you can check the incoming links at Kokomini and play around with them there to familiarize yourself with them.
BTW, you used the spelling ' Gugumini' as the title of this thread. You can see from it being a red link that there's nothing there. That means that you can move the article there if you like. Up by 'article, talk, edit, history, watch' at the top of the Kokomini page, there should be a tab for 'move', so go ahead and move it if you prefer this spelling. If you don't have that option yet, I can move it for you.
As for AIATSIS, it would be better IMO to use the template I created. For the code above, that would be,
The reason that's superior is because, if AIATSIS changes their copyright info or their URL address (breaking all your links), and you have individual citations on all the pages, then you have to find every single instance and update them individually, which not only is time-consuming but you might overlook some. If you use the template, on the other hand, you only have to update that, and all the 'transclusions' of it will update automatically. Even if something needs to be done manually on individual pages, you can do an automated search of which pages use ('transclude') the template, so you won't need to worry about missing any. I did that recently when AIATSIS removed the asterisks from some language codes, breaking those links.
You can modify the template at {{ AIATSIS}} to format it the way you like.
— kwami ( talk) 19:54, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
@ Nishidani: No problem. I'm replacing the citation at Kokangol right now with the template, so you can tell me if I should modify it and how. Currently it's little more than a name and a link to the proper AIATSIS web page, but I can fix it up to look more professional.
I really would recommend incorporating the AIATSIS template into your default page format. Otherwise your hard work will be disrupted when they (inevitably) change their site address or format. Ethnologue has done that, Glottolog has done it, and AIATSIS has already changed their code format. It's just a matter of time before all your links to them are broken.
I've converted all your existing citations to the template. If you use it from now on, we should be good as long as they're online. And of course we can modify the format of the citation at any time. — kwami ( talk) 20:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Following its target change, I've diverted most of Martu Wangka's incoming links to Martu Wangka dialect. I think an expert should look at the one in Western Desert language#Dialects, where the community and language don't seem to match. Thanks, Certes ( talk) 15:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kwami,
I've posted a confusing question on the talk page at
Renminbi, but there seems to be very sparse activity there. I wonder if you know of any current editors here who might be fluent in Mandarin (and English!) that I could ping for assistance. Thanks very much.
Milkunderwood (
talk)
02:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi again – Since you seem to be up and about, let me ask you a really off the wall question. I pinged User:CapnPrep asking about the use of long s as opposed to round s in a 16th C French excerpt that he had posted, but I'm afraid he's probably long gone. Do you know anyone else who might have any insight on this kind of question? Milkunderwood ( talk) 04:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
This seems like the kind of question that would be profitable to ask at the WP Reference Desk. (If you clarify who "he" is, I might even be able to help.) — kwami ( talk) 04:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
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It would be appreciated if you could leave an explanation at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_Australia and linked at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board
there are quite a few changes going on - and the alignment with the AiTSis conventions - it would be very useful as 2019 is the Australian year of Indigenous languages - and as there has been no discussion (that I know of) about the across the board changes - it would be very good to have a record/explanation as to what you have been doing non stop it seems for the last week. Thank you in advance for an WP:AGF response and good explanation as well. JarrahTree 04:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I've been putting 'per AIATSIS' in the move summaries, though I missed the earlier ones. — kwami ( talk) 04:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
OK if its ok with you and you are showing lack of interest in posting what is going on - I will sometime at a later stage - relevant to the 2019 Indigenous Language issue - also as many items have had the word 'language' removed in the moves... JarrahTree 04:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what you're saying/asking. I'm not removing 'language' from any of the language names, just redirecting variants of the bare name to the article on the people if that also uses the bare name. It's not complete, there are still dozens of cases where one spelling directs to the people article and another spelling to the language, but it's a start. — kwami ( talk) 04:11, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
My problem with reading edit differences of moves perhaps - I am very interested in the edits - considering the sheer number of edits - and the apparent conversation only on your or nishidani's talk pages is why I would like to move the issue to wider audience - also on unrelated items across australian items there has been in the last year or two - conversations on standardisation of terminology and naming conventions for the australian project. Thanks for all your hard work! JarrahTree 04:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Okay. I've posted there. If people would like to use the AIATSIS reference names, that would require mass move requests to override the existing rd's from those spellings. Of course, AIATSIS changes their ref names fairly frequently, so it's not like we'd need to follow any source 100%. — kwami ( talk) 04:35, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Very kind of you to explain - personally my understanding of indigenous australian name variants is that give me tibetan or javanese any time... JarrahTree 01:33, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Sorry but the law and constitution specefically without doubt ban same sex marriages and uses man wome The law was not striken down by the suoreme or constitutional court of the country The statuoary ban still exist and as u know u doubt that the right conservative parliament and goverment will never change the law nor accept itvesides the same marriage was not recognised so
Is it wise to assume as many did like in marriages ban or recongnition in europe or european union pages that poland no longer still has a constitutional marriage ban I think it does have and will have it So editing wrongly other pages on that is wrong? Should we revert them to point that poland still has the ban it dasnt striken down or changed u know What do u think? Thank u AdamPrideTN ( talk) 01:59, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello. Please can you check my edits to dab Ngalia and fix as appropriate? I've fixed most of the incoming links but Loritja and Wirangu people still link to the dab intending a language. One idea is to link them to {{ R from subtopic}} redirects Ngaliya language → Warlpiri and Ngalea language → Western Desert language but I'd rather leave that to a specialist. Thanks, Certes ( talk) 18:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Aluratji ( Ngalia exonym)linking to Warlpiri? On reflection they're probably dialects rather than languages anyway. Certes ( talk) 18:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
I thought an arbitrary division of the alt spellings might work, but this is just too confusing. It's like using "Mexico" for the country and "Mejico" for the state. I moved the ethno articles to 'Ngalia (X)' to make the difference clear. Sorry if that's messed up the work you've done. I'll follow up on some of the links. — kwami ( talk) 18:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Hard links to 'Ngaliya people', which might not all intend the Warlpiri's neighbors - Tjilpa, Warlpiri people, Songline, Pintupi, Ngarti, Yumu. I'll try to fix them up, but some may end up at the dab. — kwami ( talk) 19:38, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Naw, they all look correct. Rd'd both Ngaliya and Ngalea to Ngalia, now that there are no more incoming links.
Kwami, can you review the tables on this page for accuracy? Some of the changes introduced by an IP last month seem clearly wrong to me, but I suspect there are other errors too. Abecedare ( talk) 22:22, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Abecedare:. How's that? I might've gone too far back with <ai>, <au>, though. — kwami ( talk) 02:53, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
When you want to move "Foo" to "Bar", instead of first moving "Foo" to "Bar ()", then redirecting "Bar" to "Bar ()" and then tagging "Bar" for G6, wouldn't it be a lot simpler if you skipped the first couple of steps and just tagged "Bar" instead? I imagine you believe that you'd stand a lower chance of getting the speedy declined that way, but you risk leaving the appearance of gaming the system, you create several unnecessary steps in the process that add clutter to watchlists and page histories, the articles get left at bizarre titles until the next admin comes along to clear out the categories, and some of these titles would occasionally get left behind as pointless redirects that somebody will eventually have to deal with. – Uanfala (talk) 04:02, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Currently
Altaic people redirects to
Altaic languages. That does not seem correct: the Altaic people are not languages, they may not speak "Altaic languages", and most seakers of "Altaic languages" are not "Altaic people".
Readers who look up "Altaic people" may be looking for
Altay people, or for people who live in the
Altai Mountains region, or maybe other things.
This seems to be the kind of potential confusion that disambiguation pages were supposed to help resolve. However, "Altaic (disambiguation)" is a redlink with a warning that the page once existed but was deleted by you. Would you care to explain why? Would you object if I create it again?
All the best, --
Jorge Stolfi (
talk)
01:03, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
What do you think of the recently created article Negro-Egyptian languages? – Uanfala (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
We know that Negro-Egyptian languages is pure pseudoscience. But I've dealt with some of these people in real life, and it's like talking to fundamentalist evangelicals. They are 100% convinced that there's nothing wrong with their thinking no matter how hard you try to explain it to them. Hence, I've kept it short and sweet at Talk:Negro-Egyptian languages. Being nice and civil to them and gently telling them to put their "great work" elsewhere usually works better. — Stevey7788 ( talk) 13:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello Sorry to bother you but the colouring and key of this important map is wrong
It is used in Societal attitudes toward homosexuality and maybe others Hope you or anyone else fix it soon cos i'm unable to do so Thank you
AdamPrideTN ( talk) 10:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Sure, Adam. I take it you want the colors of the map to match the key you presented. But it will take some time for me to verify which color corresponds to which (I hope there's a %age table somewhere?), so I don't introduce errors. Not sure I can get to it today, and wont't be able to tomorrow. — kwami ( talk) 20:54, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Looks like someone already did that, and was reverted for no consensus. I agree that your color scheme is much clearer, but there should be some discussion. Also, whoever does this has the responsibility to change the keys in all the different language WPs that use this map. — kwami ( talk) 05:07, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions. I am happy with the wording you have chosen for the phrase about the Altaic hypothesis (although I do think that it is perhaps a little too harsh on the Altaic hypothesis, there are still Altaicists around, but as I say I'm happy with what is there at the moment).
I am unfortunately not very knowledgeable about linguistics, and so cannot contribute very much to the "isolate" discussion, but my reasoning was that as there are no other universally accepted extant Koreanic languages, it would be reasonable to refer to it as an isolate. I believe it is still referred to as isolate elsewhere in the article and in other articles and I think this should at least be consistent. Would you mind me suggesting that you open a thread on the Korean Language talk page to discuss this with people more knowledgeable than myself.
Thanks for messaging me rather than just reverting my changes.
RobbieM13 ( talk) 15:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind my recent additions on the topic. On another note, Vovin doesn't think Han languages were Koreanic. He believes they were Japonic, and was replaced by Koreanic speakers from Goguryeo in the Three Kingdoms of Korea period. According to his theory and some others, Silla and Baekje languages were established by these Goguryeo migrants, and prior to this expansion, people in southern Korea, including Samhan and Jeju, spoke Japonic languages. Koraskadi ( talk) 09:55, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Koraskadi: But those weren't Han. The Han languages were Sillan and its closest relatives, and today Korean and Jeju. I'd be interested in reading about Samhan being Japonic. — kwami ( talk) 09:58, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Do you have any proof that Aruba does not recognize same-sex marriages performed in the metropolitan Netherlands as marriages? Recognition of such marriages was established by the court ruling years before the island enacted registered partnership law. And no, unequal treatment is not a proof, as we are talking about the designation of "marriage" itself. Ron 1987 ( talk) 17:55, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello I was planning to create a Timeline of LGBT history in Mexico (which i did now) u can find it in the history section that is still there I was going to leave the history of precolumbian and moved to the history part that there is now And move the timeline section to a new timeline page (I hope its clear) A pity now that there is some editor who erased all the first history part containing timeline And now its blocked and i cannot find it to move it to the new intended article of timeline of LGBT History in Mexico Any idea how can that valuable content of the first removed history can be found and moved to the new page Any help please Thank you AdamPrideTN ( talk) 14:18, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@ AdamPrideTN: -- can you narrow down the search for me? Where did the table appear? In LGBT rights in Mexico? And when was it written/deleted? (I just need to know what date range to look for it in.) For example, there's a timeline here. Is that not what you wanted? — kwami ( talk) 18:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello Yes yes that one thank you It is missing some info of late 2018 and 2019 But yes that one If u see the history of the page today an editor name king of xavier delete it all sating no two histories But when i tried to find it to mive it to a new page timeline I didnt Would u look more for it or can u copy that into the new main page the last edit of me in the page Thank u AdamPrideTN ( talk) 18:57, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Diannaa: Adam, it wasn't King of Xavier. User:Diannaa deleted the history with the edit summary "remove copyright content copied from https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/10/29/mexico-transgender-ruling-beacon-change." Maybe they could explain? A simple timeline shouldn't be a copyright violation, but maybe you took too much of their wording. Also, they might've deleted stuff that didn't violate copyright because the version of the page with those edits of your also included the copy-vio. Maybe Diannaa could clip out the stuff that wasn't copy-vio for you? — kwami ( talk) 19:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by "diluted". The figures didn't check out, so I reverted, but there's little difference in the display with it being rounded off. — kwami ( talk) 21:35, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
You mean you don't want it broken down by country after the total? I could put that in the lead. — kwami ( talk) 02:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
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Hi kwami. I want to merge Nuclear Malayo-Polynesian languages into the NMP section in Malayo-Polynesian languages. The NMP-hypothesis was proposed in a single publication, and never caught up among Austronesianists. It’s definitely not fringe, but just a “one hit wonder”, so a full article runs a bit against WP:Notability. Before doing a bold and cold merger, I ask specifically you first, as you did most edits to the article–most of them 10yrs ago. But I guess, from your current perspective you will probably agree with the merger. — Austronesier ( talk) 15:52, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. That's fine. I was trying to bring a little navigatibility rather than just having a comb-like classification with dozens of branches, but if it never caught on, not much sense in keeping it. — kwami ( talk) 02:24, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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Eek, what a pagemove/pagefork mess by Ngunalik:
Can you please fix? Thanks. 82.132.215.31 ( talk) 02:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
I can't, but I made a request at WP:RMT. Let me know if that bogs down, and I'll try s.t. else. — kwami ( talk) 05:13, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
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It's Wouk & Ross. It may not be notable enough for a WP article if it hasn't been adopted elsewhere. — kwami ( talk) 17:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi Kwamikagami,
I have
declined the
WP:G13 deletion of that draft. While it does appear to duplicate
Akuntsu language, it would appear to me that the draft includes references from scholarly journals. Perhaps this could be
WP:MERGE-d to some other article?
Your thoughts about this? Pete AU aka --
Shirt58 (
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10:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Shirt58: I hadn't requested the speedy. Just now I created rd's so we don't end up w duplicate articles. Sure, any good info should be merged. There's a lot of fluff in the draft, though. It looks like a school essay project and doesn't take advantage of the fact that WP has interlinks. E.g., nearly the entire 'Language Family' section is a content fork of the family article. The Overview section belongs in Akuntsu rather than the language article. But the grammar, yeah, there's presumably a lot of good stuff, though irrelevant fluff like the layout of Aragon's grammar would appear to just be essay padding. — kwami ( talk) 18:07, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello. Please could you check the recent changes to Zotung People (Tribe), or pass my request on to a suitable expert? Thanks, Certes ( talk) 09:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
I noticed you added a statement in the Braille page, stating that Braille literacy is a social-justice issue, but you didn't provide a source for the claim. Far be it for me to call to the carpet such an experienced editor as yourself, but could you please provide justification/clarification for that statement? It would seem to me that a direct quote from a policy maker or expert in the field saying it's a "social justice issue" would be best. Thank you in advance for your assistance, and I hope I haven't trod on your toes too much. - Trumblej1986 ( talk) 17:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Sure thing. The ref was in the main text. — kwami ( talk) 20:24, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Trumblej1986 ( talk) 20:41, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Kwamikagami. I've seen that you've edited in other articles things related to the IPA, something I don't understand much. Could you add the English pronunciation of Onychopterella to its article, please? Thanks! Super Ψ Dro 12:39, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Super Dromaeosaurus: Sure thing. I'm assuming there are not three stressed syllables, so I didn't mark the 3rd (ON-y-cop-te-REL-la rather than ON-y-COP-te-REL-la), but that's a guess. — kwami ( talk) 19:23, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I'd regularize it to ON-ə-kop-tə-REL-ə. — kwami ( talk) 20:54, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
https://ilga.org/state-sponsored-homophobia-report
Hi the latest 2019 ilga report is very important and highly big and informative Many lgbt country pages in africa asia and (even americas) need to be updated urhently Take ur time and check and hope u can update the countries Some unapdated even from 2011
There is also the blog erasing 76 Like this just write the name of country and erasing 76 in google like that
Also there is The U.S. Department of State's 2019 Human Rights Report
I would do it happily but i'm focusing much on the translating English LGBT content pages into Arabic all the time and can't much
Thx good luck (no pressure of course, just a suggestion) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 08:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
http://www.equalityontrial.com/2019/06/25/625-open-thread/#idc-container
https://mobile.twitter.com/lgbtmarriage
https://m.facebook.com/nelfa.aisbl/
Are one of the best sites woth sources that provides daily updates about lgbt rights (some that go unedited for weeks)
I would advice you to check them from time to time for updates
I would do what i can happily but i'm focusing much on the translating English LGBT content pages into Arabic all the time and can't much
Thx good luck (no pressure of course, just a suggestion) AdamPrideTN ( talk) 08:55, 29 June 2019 (UTC)