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Hi! Just been browsing through some pretty dreadful wikipedia articles on the East End. There's a particularly bad one on the Ratcliffe Highway Murders which somehow manages to omit the names of both the victims and the murderer and the fact that the latter was buried at the cross-roads with a stake through his heart....which I thought might JUST be worthy of mention...Nothing much on 'The Jago' either (just an article on Morrison) and a pretty bad entry for Bethnal Green which omits to tell us where it is....Some very strained attempts to master the English language as well... Colin4C 02:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
The Boundary was the world's (?) first council estate, built by a prepubescent LCC, complete with a bandstand in the middle to entertain the masses. All the areas are amorphous - they all were part of larger units - even Hackney was a part of 'Stepney' at one time! They sub-divided like amoeba with the growth in population. Nothing on London bodysnatchers turned up, except a 'paid for article' in the Surgeon Kbthompson 11:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. I've just been rewriting part of the Music hall article so that it at least approximates the known basic facts of the matter and removed stuff which was irrelevent/stupid/false. That is one seriously bad article and needs a lot of work..... Colin4C 16:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. In that it's a physical structure, presumably designed by an architect, Aldgate is an architectural creation. I realize that the connection isn't quite the strongest ever drawn. My bot is tagging articles found in Category:Buildings and structures by country, which, presumably, if categorized correctly, have relevance to Wikiproject architecture. I hope that helps. Alphachimp 01:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, K (or b, as the case may be). I saw in the Music hall article that Hoxton Hall now has an article, so I hastened to put in a link at Leeds City Varieties. I couldn't understand why there isn't an article for Wilton's, so redlinked it to add to the one in List of Restoration candidates, and googled for other references (can you tell that I'm a librarian? ex-Leeds University, actually), intending to put up a stub from online sources. Then I found myself doing major surgery on Deborah Warner and ran out of time.
Anyway, I've never visited Wilton's (must do it soon), so I'm sure you're in a better position to start an article. Do you know the Theatre Trust database? The Wilton's entry is here and looks well worth plundering. Best, Andrew ( GuillaumeTell 17:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC))
Hello again Kb. Although I like your picture of the New Standard Theatre in the Music hall article I can't help questioning whether the New Standard Theatre was in fact a music hall...According to my info it was a regular theatre... Colin4C 11:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. Just to say that there is a new series starting Tuesday on Channel 5 on Jack the Ripper which you might be interested in. I doubt that they will turn up any new evidence but its always fun to see 'the usual suspects' (the Masons, the Duke of Clarence, Sickert, Patricia Cornwall) do their jolly music-hall turn as the audience gasp in horror (and despair...) Colin4C 11:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, when you want to link to the article about something British, please do not link to British, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as United Kingdom or Great Britain by writing out [[United Kingdom|British]] or [[Great Britain|British]]. Regards, Jeff3000 20:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Terribly sorry, I used it in the sense to which it is usually and commonly used, i.e to denote the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Commonwealth, that existed in the historical period referred to. cheers, Kbthompson 20:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Never heard that term before: I suggest civil parish would be correct: the vestry was the governing authority of the parish. Lozleader 17:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Wooooowh! Never, never use parishes in the sense of Finsbury - it's the Vestry that has the civil authority, ecclesiastical authority only is vested in the parish! It's the vestry what does the business, because it's what they call an elected body (in London since 1835) - as opposed to the appointees on the parish! Kbthompson 23:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kb. I'm sorry if the picture is obscuring the stats on your computer monitor. You can move it again if you like: I didn't realize that wikipedia pages look different when viewed on different machines.... Colin4C 20:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Do you think there's mileage in starting a series of pages on the Vestries and District Boards which ran London before the London Government Act 1899? (And if so, how would be best?) I have quite a bit of information which could be put there. Sam Blacketer 14:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for delay in replying, and brevity - up to ears in sharp snappy things. Should be great, as long as it's not too confusing having an ecclesiastic body and a civil authority with the same name on the same page. At that time, there was much confusion, as they were still absorbing liberties and other historical anomalies into the system. Our old friend Norton Folgate, being a case in point, where some responsibilities were taken away from them for failing to organise anything properly - like being amongst the first to have gaslight, but not having proper paved streets, or sewerage ... It's a difficult job, so good luck to you! I'll try to help with formatting and editing once life returns to normal.
What might ultimately be a good idea is to go back and insert
in some of the historical entries I've done against districts in Hackney to link into the parishes. I'll think about that one, I don't think it's a good idea to bury too much history at that level, rather keep the parish/vestry entries for organisational, population and contemporary politics.
Once free, I'll return to wiki-tabling the pop stats; if that's OK with you. Kbthompson 12:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry Col, I wasn't thinking of divorce, just suggesting Sam bear in mind that the two authorities don't necessarily share the same territory; I would agree that there should not be a proliferation of unnecessary articles. I thought Sam was proposing extending the parish articles from their (usual) state of stubbiness. I already noted that it's a rather big job, with possibly a small readership (mainly us!).
Again, apologies, but I will be doing some work in 'real life' for at least the next 24 ... Kbthompson 13:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. I'm getting some flak from the Dracula talk page, about countenancing the existence of the new Count Dracula (fictional character) article, which I have added stuff to (though didn't create). To my mind there is a conceptual distinction to be made between the fictional character 'Count Dracula' and the novel 'Dracula'. What do you think? By the way, all the other major characters in the novel have their own seperate articles: Van Helsing, Harker, Mina, Lucy, Renfield etc etc. Colin4C 14:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
By all means, if you would like to edit the burlesque site in reference to the edit, go for it. -- Signaleer 17:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, yer pays yer money and takes yer choice ... had something of a communication breakdown? I used to go to a serious film club in Soho, by day it was a strip club. Every now and then, a customer would come to an evening performance, and depart when they found it wasn't up to their expectations. Kbthompson 19:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Maybe Isabelle Huppert, isn't Deneuve a bit before your time? I've been trying to rescue Theatre Workshop from stubbiness, and a merge for no apparent reason with East 15 Acting School; I'd welcome anything you could add. Kbthompson 01:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Kbtompson,
Thanks for your message about Bow, London. I'll try and explain things a little. Firstly, I am actually a member of the UK geo project - the guidelines you mention are guidelines only and not part of wikipedia's policy. They are also somewhat outdated amd I'll try to update that asap. Given I'm a member of the project (I predominantly work on the Greater Manchester area articles), as an example of my work please see Shaw and Crompton which is bestowed with WP:GA status by UK geo and Wikipedia itself, and thus an example of which to aspire towards.
Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) (in combination), standalone years, months and days of the week generally should not be linked (unless the article is about time/dates itself or the date is spelt out in full (DD/MM/YY)). Should you want Bow, London to conform to the strictest and highest of standards, this is a necessety for taking the article further.
Per the lead section (which is too short per WP:LEAD), the 4.6 miles should be spelt out in words rather than numbers, with the metric conversion being scripted with numbers (I can't think of the policy but it is out there!)
I don't remember including a "civic administration" section; I included a "civic history section" - this section is increasingly commonplace for UK geo settlements, as it groups together the "civic/administrative" history within one section, and generally improves the flow of the history section itself, without having to splice the two together. This also aids in conforming Manual of Style, as well as outlining that the settlement had a different administrative history as it does today (a feature common on other encyclopedias). Also some contents of the current administration section you re-instated, relate to a current frame of geo-administration, rather than a historic one.
I hope that helps a little. Do get back to me if need be. Jhamez84 18:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
(force retirement) replies on other user page Kbthompson 17:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Just to say that if you are ever on a pub crawl south of the river, in search of Chapliana and music-hall memories that (mostly) I have produced this handy cut-out-and-keep guide: Kennington Road. I would have probably benifited from the appropriate Pevsner guide, but I could tell that those terraces were Regency...even after the effects of the London Pride. Colin4C 12:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. I am encountering the ultimate 'dog-in-a-manger' editor at the Jack the Ripper article. He seems to have adopted a policy of serially reverting all my edits and then personally abusing me in the Talk page. I think he (denoted merely by a number) has been unthinkingly reverting new edits there for years. For instance he has just blanked out an entire section on the 'Whitechapel Murders' which I just added and has threatened to serially revert it till doomsday, just out of a fit of pique I think. As Whitechapel murders automatically redirects to Jack the Ripper I thought that people there should have the benifit of knowing what they were: there were eleven Whitechapel murders, of which the 'canonical five' are a subset. Help! Colin4C 11:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem, sorry it carries on. I'm not sure how you bring these things to a moderator's attention, or even if that's worthwhile. I've found the ripper page interesting, and also your changes. As I say, collaboration invariably improves things, dogmatism isn't particularly useful. I don't understand why the other editor is 'all-or-nothing', but you do seem to attract these people.
There does seem a sense in which wiki editing is a hiding to nothing, what with all the vandalism and people who make changes without actually reading what they're changing ... if I had a penny for everybody who mistakes Hackney Central for LBH, I'd be a rich man ... Never mind, I do it to increase my knowledge ... I can now bore for Britain on Tudor Hackney ... beginning to have trouble finding my way around the modern streets! And as for going to Stepney, now spend all my time looking over my shoulder for Burkers! Keep at it, some agreement is always possible when people stop shaking their dongs at each other. I think your latest friend remains anon because he's already pulled the trick and been pulled before, I think it's probably a he, could be a sock-puppet! Kbthompson 19:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
All the more reason to show your maturity by allowing things to die down for a few days, then restart the discussion in the talk pages. Gather your reasons for why the material should be included and avoid being drawn into arguing with anon. Its a distraction and, I suspect, the game anon wants to play. There's a link to a collection of user space templates on my user page that can be used in extremis, but as I say let it lie. People play political games on wiki, and that somehow makes me depressed ... Kbthompson 11:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The Vandals and the Goths were always close ... Don't let it get you down. Kbthompson 17:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice work Kb. Our next task: Ratcliff Highway murders. At the moment this article by some weird oversight names neither the victims or the murderer..... Colin4C 16:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Done, needs more work ... See also Hackney Wick for the tale of Muller. Kbthompson 00:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Done Marine Police Force. Kbthompson 17:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Kb! Actually, I noticed the same issue and marked those two to be reviewed manually. Both of them are in Category:Drag queens, which is how SatyrBot found them and tagged them (with my oversight). But while I'm working in SatyrBot mode, I don't make changes to the categories, just to assess the class of the article. If something catches my attention, I'll bring it up at WP:LGBT and get some input from others.
In this case, I think I agree with you that those two are mis-categorized. If you feel so inclined, delete the category and the tag. If you don't, I'm going to check with the WikiProject, but I suspect we'll agree to do the same.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 14:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC) (retirement when ready) q/a on other user's page Kbthompson 08:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty certain that the Britannia opened as a theatre, with the intention of putting on plays hence the name: 'The Britannia Theatre'. Although to begin with (before the law was changed in 1843) plays were strictly illegal outside the two licenced ones in Convent Garden, that didn't stop people (including the proprietor of the Britannia) breaking the law and putting on such plays. The first proper Music Halls, such as the Middlesex etc belong to a later period: the 1850's. The unusual thing about the Britannia was that it served drinks in the auditorium as per a music hall, but, to re-iterate, it opened as a theatre before the world had ever heard the term 'music hall'. It was a lot later (in the 1880s) that music-hall and theatre got confused under the name of 'variety theatre'. Colin4C 19:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I cannot find ANY reference where the Britannia is described as a Music Hall. Every ref I have seen describes it as a theatre, mentioning the plays put on etc:
Music Halls did not do melodramas and they did not do Shakespeare! Colin4C 19:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
But that's a programme from the Britannia THEATRE - which proves my point... Colin4C 11:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Contemporary description of contents of BFI film archive entitled Busy scenes outside an East London music hall. Kbthompson 00:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to look into it some more, there is a 1903 reference (in British Library) about the Britannia moving from the melodrama to the music hall circuit (owners of the Palace chain); but this conflicts with the current information about its fate between 1900 and 1913 (dark). It all needs much more investigation. I will give you that many of the playbills I've seen say Sarah Lane is licensed by the Lord Chamberlain. Which would place it more under the auspices of the theatre legislation, for that part of its life. Kbthompson 14:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Since the original premises sold food and drink in the auditorium, had tables, had standing room round the side and galleries above. I'd say it was a music hall of the saloon style! Now, after the introduction of the theatre act, it rebuilt itself pretty quickly - but still appears to have served food and drink in the auditorium, quite unlike any other theatre. It certainly had pretensions, but also knew what its audience wanted. Kbthompson 14:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message Kb. As for me I'm keeping a low profile at the moment, though I did do a bit of 'original research' last week in darkest Hackney, East London at the site of the Sebright Music Hall: gone, but there is a pub opposite called 'The Sebright Arms', which has a notice advertising music-hall acts every Friday....which it seems is an old notice giving out-of-date information...As a student of industrial archaeology and urban dereliction I also found fascinating the railway journey from Liverpool St to Cambridge Heath Road... Colin4C 16:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
ps this page now auto-archives, and I've begun playing with popups, both useful tools. Kbthompson 16:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The Gaiety Theatre, London looks OK to me, Kb. However, its location, Strand, London leaves a lot to be desired. You'd never guess from this page that the Strand was the centre of Victorian nightlife in all meanings of that term: from theatre to 'ladies of the night' (vide the dubious Walter's infamous 'Secret Life' available from any Soho bookshop). Colin4C 19:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your good work on the Gaiety Theatre and other articles. You are right in surmising that my understanding of London geography, then and now, is tenuous, so feel free to spruce these up. I have been trying to write about London theatres that were famous for hosting G&S works (Royalty, Gaiety, Opera Comique, Savoy, Sadlers Wells), but it is difficult without having your background, so I appreciate all the help. I've pretty much done what I can, so if you can improve them further, by all means do. I am a big G&S fan (see WP:G&S), but I realize (realise!) that I need some help from the natives! Note the W. S. Gilbert article that we upgraded to FA status. -- Best regards! -- Ssilvers 16:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I just expanded the Adelphi Theatre article. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks for all the great work! As to theatres in general, that's not my focus, so I think I'm pretty much done with what I can do on these articles. I'm more interested in the musicals that played there. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 19:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I went back in to the Adelphi Theatre article and added a link backing up some of your info and couple headings and put the info in more chronological order. The article is looking much better, but it could use a few more references/links if you have any. Thanks, and best regards! -- Ssilvers 17:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
The original situation was that East London pointed to the South African city. At the end of January, this page was moved to East London, South Africa and a new disambiguation page was made at East London (which is now at East London (disambiguation). The proposal I have made is to redo the move of the South African city from East London to East London, South Africa. Sam Blacketer 17:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add unhelpful and non-constructive information to Wikipedia. Your edits could be considered vandalism, and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 65.12.162.36 06:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reference Kb. I'm intrigued that there was a music hall in Leman Street (which still hosts dancing girls at a certain venue...Inspector Abberline's (of Ripper fame) police station is there also (very handy for the opium dens of Limehouse - but I digress...)). Colin4C 16:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Good question. I'm not an expert here, but I don't think you're right. W. S. Gilbert, for instance, called many of his plays (both musical and non-musical) "burlesques". I think that, nowadays, British people would call this form Travesty. See the articles for Travesty and Burlesque (genre). Frankly, I think Wikipedia's coverage of the entire subject is a little inconsistent and confused currently. If you can add any clarity, please do so by all means, but I think that many British Victorian authors referred to their low comedy works as burlesque. By the way, there is also some confusion with Victorian melodrama, pantomime and other forms, as well as "variety", "vaudeville", "music hall", etc., and indeed, I believe that in the Victorian era, many stage works mixed elements of the various comic forms. Whew!! I'll stop talking now. -- Ssilvers 18:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Apparently (see Surrey Theatre), you could do anything you wanted, so long as it had musical accompaniment of some kind. So, all the theatres had a piano, and a guy played the piano while the play was going on. Melodrama was a sort of play where there was musical underscoring all the time anyway, and I think most "Burlesques" had actual musical numbers, which were, at least in some cases, silly lyrics set to well-known melodies, like "Greensleeves" or something from Mozart. Maybe some of the "external links" will help you. Good luck! -- Ssilvers 04:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I did look to the site, and they list the awards as the 2007 Orange British Academy Film Awards. I also assumed because both the Golden Globes and Oscars, although dealing with films that opened in 2006, were listed under 2007, the BAFTA should also be listed under 2007 since that is when Helen Mirren actually won the award. I won't push the issue, however; just don't assume there isn't two ways of looking at it. MarÃa: ( habla ~ cosas) 14:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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It appears that this theatre was built long before the theatre now known as The Prince of Wales Theatre and it is not clear which of the many articles that link to the latter really played at the former. I am afraid that I have confused the issue for several months. Can you do anything to comb out this mess? Thanks for any help! -- Ssilvers 22:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Great job! I added some info to both articles, but particularly the Scala article needs more content. BTW, not G&S, just Gilbert. His play The Palace of Truth is referenced here. [2] Thanks! -- Ssilvers 15:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Kb. Please take a look at Prince of Wales Theatre. I think you'll find it somewhat improved! Any comments/changes welcome. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 00:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi there, I've got to go Nat Trusting in a minute, I'll try to give it some attention later. Kbthompson 12:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Just to inform you that Stephen Dorril's damning new bio of Oswold Mosley: 'Blackshirt' has just been published in paperback (£9.99 from Penguin). Of interest to the study of East-End Fascism of the 'Knees up Eva Braun' variety: as well as the Cable Street fracas, apparantly Mosley stood as a candidate for Shoreditch after the war...(but lost). Colin4C 11:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe MRSC's edits are right; it's a reorganisation of the London Postcode pages. Cheers Kbthompson 00:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
They were part of changes made to support Template talk:Infobox UK place. It would be best for you to make your comments there. Kbthompson 00:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you added the box, and it looks good. However, the link to Almeida does not take one to the theatre. However, there is a Wiki Almeida Theatre article, so maybe you can adjust the box to get to the correct article. I'm not sure how it is done. All the best, Viva-Verdi 16:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. The box is a nice way to navigate around from theatre to theatre, and there is a similar one for Broadway theatres. I'm not sure you need the "fringe" theatres in the box - maybe you could just show a "hide" button that expands to reveal the fringe theatres if one wishes to see those - whatever you think. You've done yeoman work here. Well done! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 04:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Looking at Category:Streets in London there are quite a few streets suffixed ", London" so I guess that is the right dab form to use. MRSC ⢠Talk 10:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, may I ask why this template is locked from editing? Thanks Kbthompson 17:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Kb.
Have you seen these articles? They may be helpful in a number of entries:
Please feel free to work on the template that I created. I have had very little time for WP lately, but would be lovely if you could pick up the baton. --
Peripatetic 10:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for the nod on the DYK for the Fortune Theatre article...and, actually, I was wondering if I could ask for a bit of geography help from a native Londoner. I am trying to find the neighborhood where the people who stole Elizabeth Barrett Browning's dog lived; I know that they lived near Wimpole Street at the bottom of Tottenham Court Road, but am otherwise baffled. If you have a chance could you help me specify? Thanks again. Jlittlet 17:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
-- ALoan (Talk) 00:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Very sorry about that. I had to go back over them all again and add a reference. I can't think why I didn't add the references when I made the entries. Maybe I'm having a bad day! Could you answer a question for me? Is the Court Theatre the same as the Royal Court in Sloane Square? If so, when did it acquire the 'Royal'? David Lauder 13:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The Royal Court Theatre at Sloan Square was opened in 1871 and closed in 1887. A new theatre with that name was built on a different site in Sloan Square in 1888 and survives today. I'm pretty sure there were no other significant theatres with that name since then. The Theatre Museum in London has a major collection of information about this theatre. I just beefed up the article, but it still needs more work. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 05:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to clarify that Gielgud was not the only theatre called "Globe", so I thought that pointing to the disambig page would give people some useful info. BTW, I plan to put up an article for the slightly earlier "Globe Theatre" that was, along with the Opera Comique, one of the Rickety Twins, unless someone beats me to it. That Globe presented a number of important productions in its relatively short career. Also BTW, check out the new article on Olympic Theatre. Can you add an image into it? I'm afraid I'm a little technologically challenged. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for putting in the images. BTW, I asked before, but I did not understand: What is the function of the < cite> tag, which you add when after < ref> tags? I can't figure it out. Also, I expanded St James's Theatre and Gielgud Theatre. See if you have any comments/corrections. -- Best regards, -- Ssilvers 02:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I am still confused, but I think the answer to my question may be that the < cite> tag puts the text that comes after it in *italics*? Is that right? If so, that is all I was trying to understand! :-) -- Ssilvers 12:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I have merged Three Mills and Three Mills Island by a simple REDIRECT. Gordo 10:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Would you kindly put images of the Royalty theatre and St. James theatre up from one of the images in the Lloyd external links? Thanks for helping the incompetent! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 22:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. If there are any images of these theatres that we can use, that would be great! -- Ssilvers 04:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
What's the problem with the link to the History of Bromley by Bow on the Bromly page? It includes references to Bow as well as Bromly by Bow and is therefore relevant (notwithstanding there's a whole debate which probably needs to continue about how one comments on an area which used to be larger than the two modern day wards)? I didn't understand the self-reverential comment. Did you think I'm the author? In which case you're mistaken - I just know how to Google! ;) Cosmopolitancats 01:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Great images! Thanks! -- Ssilvers 20:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
How about adding the postcard image to the Iolanthe article? BTW, I did some editing at Savoy Theatre just now. I'm not sure who owned the theatre after Rupert died. It may be that the Savoy group owned it. Bridget was a major shareholder, but not the sole owner of that group. By the 1960's, Bridget had given the opera company to a trust that she ran for a time (the company closed in 1982), but I'm not sure what happened to the theatre's ownership. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Funny enough: The theatre's own website supplied the missing info, except for the purchase by the prince in 2007. Would you kindly add a cite for that? Best regards! -- Ssilvers 03:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
This needs expansion desperately. Unfortunately, it's 2:30 in the morning, and I have to get up in 4-1/2 hours. Plus, I have to work tomorrow so I don't get fired! -- Ssilvers 06:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Excellent. I, too, will not get to this until late (NY time). -- Ssilvers 12:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
But I just found a picture of the Empire Theatre Leicester Square - now Empire (cinema); looks like there was a theatre stub, but it got merged (as one sentence) into the later cinema - enjoy the thrills, the spills, the cries of rage from cinemaophiles as two-thirds of the article turns to theatre ... No, as you say, its been a pleasure. A tremendous amount achieved in a short time and a lot of justice done to London's Victorian theatre history. There's more, somewhere like Mile End Road had over 300 theatres and music halls between Aldgate and Mile End - there's the area's Yiddish theatre (verging on original research ... tempted?). No this month I've clocked as many edits as in the previous three months, so you're right to give it a rest. It's good to hit these things in a rush, with all the references to hand, but ultimately better to get back to real life! Good luck with everything. Kbthompson 08:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Hard to believe that I have walked up and down Whitechapel High Street several hundred times without realizing where I was...But then again ask the average London resident about any directions and they won't have a clue: 'Dunno guv I'm from Tajikistan' being the usual reply. Colin4C 22:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Well done, kudos, though I will not dwell on the specific reason. And also, thanks for reinforcing my conviction that every district needs a Listed Buildings section - appropriately referenced, of course, which is part of the fun*. And these can, of course, migrate selectively upwards to borough** level. I may just take this mission on board and run with it, it'll keep me out of trouble and I can go on a mission to get pix where they're missing too...
It's always easier to aim if you know what you're aiming at. I don't know whether you've ever looked at any other articles about places from elsewhere in the UK but this is the one that was quoted to me when I first started as being a "good article" Shaw and Crompton. Now this place is similar to one of the areas within Tower Hamlets so this maybe conveys to you a bit better why I'm banging on about needing to bring articles up to standard. Or to put it another way, somebody had a go at dinning it into me and I'm now evangelising!
I don't see any particular need for speed so much as being clear about what sort of quality standard we're aiming for - and what it takes to get it. We can leave them at 'stub' or 'start' quality level - but I think that ought to be a conscious decision rather than an unconscious one. Personally - I'm for doing the best we can do without undue effort for starters and getting into good habits.
Hope you don't me putting this on your talk page. It just suddenly struck me that there was a way of showing you why I've been going on and on and on about standards and quality. Cosmopolitancats 17:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello! Blue links exist so that the reader can click on them to get additional info about a subject if he/she desires. To describe what each of the past productions at this or any venue was is to provide unnecessary data that clutters the article. If you click on the link for Me and My Gal, you'll find who starred in the original production. I'm trying to streamline Wiki articles by removing redundant facts that are included in the blue-linked articles. If there was no way to reference additional info (due to lack of a blue-linked source), then it would be appropriate to include the details. I hope that explanation clarifies my intent. Thanks for your input! SFTVLGUY2 17:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious, why would you choose to get involved in a discussion I'm having with another editor? Since I would never consider responding to a note left on someone else's discussion page that had nothing to do with me, I don't understand what possessed you to reply to a message I left for Ssilvers. It seems very odd. Given he seems to think he controls the musical theatre project when, in fact, I'm the only one who has contributed new articles to it on a daily basis for the past few months, I think I was quite civil in the way I addressed him. But that's beside the point. What interests me is why you would be so interested. Thank you. SFTVLGUY2 23:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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-- ALoan (Talk) 13:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you please weigh in with your opinion at Buddy - The Buddy Holly Story? Thanks for your opinion either way. -- Ssilvers 18:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes. I think these are good. We should have one for every borough. I think Newham and Richmond are the only other two. I started them ages ago and forogt about them (as you do). MRSC ⢠Talk 17:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make more sense to call it "Districts of Haringey"? Simply south 18:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone added about half a dozen mentions of Wendy Hiller to the Haymarket Theatre article. Please take a look and see if you think they are all notable appearances. I'll rely on your excellent judgment and will support your decision to either leave them in or cut one or more repetitions. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 04:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, Thanks. Do you think that this list of productions is too long? Unless there is some reason why a production was particularly notable, I don't see why we are listing it. The fact that Hiller or Daniell appeared in it, I think, does not make it notable unless it either had a rather substantial run or had some other historical importance, which we should mention. Thanks. -- Ssilvers 13:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Who's Who in the Theatre has a section on notable plays and revivals. I am inclined to think if a famous actor has appeared in a production that makes it notable in itself. At least, that is how the general public/average reader would view it, because TV and film have made many who started out on the stage famous. I also think it gives the theatre a certain amount of distinction having had such people tread their boards. Lets face it, there must be thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of actors and actresses who are not notable for any reason. The alternative suggestion could be a list of productions at a theatre over the years adding "with Lawrence Olivier as Henry V" (or whatever) after it. David Lauder 17:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think we need to cut it down too much. But I agree that the mere fact that a notable actor appeared in a ho-hum play does not make that play notable - it is only one factor. The play must either catch on with the public and have a good run, with the critics and be nominated for "Best Play" or have some other indicia of notability. It may be significant to an actor's career that he stepped into a role in a dull play for a few performances -- he might have been noticed by a casting director and soon hired for a really significant role. It should then be mentioned in the actor's bio article; but I don't think it means that that work ought to be listed in the *theatre's* article. I disagree that people want to see too much detail about less notable productions in an article about a theatre. I'm content to leave it in for now, but the Haymarket is an important theatre, and if we want to upgrade it to Good Article, we will need to do some editing. For one thing, I don't think the "list" approach will wash. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, we might just have to agree to disagree, but let me try to explain more clearly what I am saying: If a theatre is a crappy little theatre, and the best boast that it can make is that a well-known actor of the early 1900s once passed through there, then yes, I agree that is very notable in that article. However, if a theatre is a major venue, in which hundreds or thousands of notable actors have appeared, such as the Haymarket, then it only unbalances and clutters up the article to mention particular appearances by actors, except for the ones that are particularly notable, because there are lots of really notable things to say about that theatre, and we should be focusing on those and not just throwing in information because we happen to come accross it. I am sure that there is more to say about the Haymarket that is far more notable than that Hiller or Daniell played in yet another play there, unless that play is of enough importance that we can write more than a stub about it. If they played in an important play, then yes, definitely say so. But let's be a little selective in putting the most notable information in the article. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 22:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi ya I note that you've changed the text of the Manor House article from indicating that it straddles the border of Haringey and Hackney to being solely in Hackney. The article states that the area is centred on the tube station - which (I believe has one exit in the LBH, but no part of the tube station). Of the area surrounding the crossroads, I believe 3/4 lies in Haringey, and 1/4 within LBH. I note the tube station has also mysteriously moved to Hackney - despite Hackney being able to proudly boast that it is the one borough north of the river not to have a tube station.
The stuff I added relied on the information that was already there, and I didn't change any of it - apart from changing Hackney -> Neighbourhood of Hackney and Haringey -> Neighbourhood of Haringey; and adding the two borough nav bars.
I know the border goes through there, and the junctions are quite complex (in fact, it's probably more true to say that Manor House is covered by tarmac!), but I think between us, we can work out what's going on geographically.
Cheers Kbthompson 23:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message.
As far as I can make out, the Haringey -> Hackney border follows the Finsbury Park Border along the north side of Seven Sisters Road to the Manor House Junction. It then proceeds along the west side of Green Lanes to a point just past the Hermitage Road junction where Green Lanes "submerges" totally into Haringey. This would mean that the situation is actully the reverse of what you state (3/4 lies in Hackney, and 1/4 within LBHgy, with only one entrance of the Underground Station falling into Haringey "territory". -- IsarSteve 08:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
This theatre could use some beefing up if you have any time. I'll try to do some too. -- Ssilvers 19:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Great work! It's a pretty respectable little article now. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 13:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Simply south 09:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I was just giving examples. There are so many world famous attractions and landmarks to name. Btw, City of London doesn't seem to count as a borough and i'm not sure it includes any other districts. Simply south 10:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi there; you just inserted a comment into an anon-user's page telling him that he was blocked. You are, I believe, not an admin; if I am wrong here tell me, and I will go and hide. Only an admin can impose a block, and to tell an editor that he is blocked when he is not is regarded as serious vandalism; whether he deserves to be blocked is, as far as this is concerned, irrelevant. Reported vandalism is, of course, correct. But please do not attempt to abrogate sysop functions.-- Anthony.bradbury 11:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Well i've just done Template:LB Kensington and Chelsea. Have a loook. Do you think i should change the name to RB Kensington and Chealsea? Simply south 20:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
They seem a little more confident than they were in January; can see their way to March 2008, and hope to have a trust in place to pay for the building by then. We'll see. -- Tagishsimon (talk)
Congratulations Kb. I applaud your devotion to Truth - a good looking woman, and bold with it, as I can see from your user page. Colin4C 09:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Oddly now, i decided to add a few and stopped at Hanoworth. I however did not add the neighbourhoods cat. The template is appearing twice on the pages and finally the title of this discussion is a typo. Simply south 16:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of creating an article on literary London, or London in literature. What do you think? There is already a London in fiction article, but it is just an (inaccurate) list, and anyway 'fiction' is not synonymous with 'literature'. A better article would mention the activities and locales of the London literati and such people as Shakespeare, Pepys, Johnson, Keats and Betjeman whose contribution to London literature was not necessarily in the form of pulp fiction...Or maybe the emphasis should be on how London itself has been constructed through literature: Dickensian London, Holmsian London, Sax Rohmer's East End, 'Metroland', etc etc. Colin4C 12:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
No I have every agreement, merely urge you to identify where you're going with it. There are multiple directions - some could even be undertaken at the same time. I think it's a useful article because it's under-represented, hell, it's even important! Kbthompson 22:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick review around 111/2 days ago!. I will see how i can improve Simply south 10:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
for your Theatres in London Template? -- Peripatetic 13:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I performed my first-ever merger at George Formby and came here to thank you for your support. -- Futurano 11:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Apologies also for insertion under Stock Photography. SarahEMBH
Kb, there is a play on BBC4 about Marie Lloyd, on Wednesday, if you are interested... Colin4C 10:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Where did you get the information that this is the artist's official website? Obiskobilob 17:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I have read the site and can find nothing on it to indicate that it is George Melly's official site. Indeed Tomandlu who is GM's son states on the Talk:George Melly page that he does not believe it is officially endorsed. Jack L Higgins has a site [8] but it does not seem to have been updated with respect to GM since 2004. Can you provide a reliable source for your information about [9] georgemelly.com? Obiskobilob 19:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your La Strada edits. Weigh in on the discussion here if you care to. IMO, we don't need everyone to say "play nice", we need someone to really look at the problem and see the extent and seriousness of it. It is a systematic destruction of information on Wikipedia. -- Ssilvers 13:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I agree about the RfC. Can you start the process? I can add my examples/experience to it, and so would SandyGeorgia. The more editors review this, the better. -- Ssilvers 17:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I added some info. Feel free to trim out anything you think is unnecessary. I think the article could be even clearer that the Unity theatre was presenting works that were quite different from the mainstream works of the day, that only the Unity theatre did this, and how the movement spread throughout Britain (anywhere else)? I know there was something like it in the U.S.) The movement was a key artistic and political outlet for working people during WW II.... Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Marylebone is not a borough but is very much a specific area of London famous in history which many famous people, places and organizations have been associated with. Regards Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 23:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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KB, I was really pleased to see someone had made Unity Theatre, London a proper entry of its own - it deserves it (especially on a wiki projects - after all it was "Theatre by the people for the people". I've just made a few edits to it. I've got an amount of info on this subject. Besides Colin Chambers' invalueable book I've got various theatre programmes and other odds and ends, so can try and look bits up if there's more we want to add on it. Skekayuk 10:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, I couldn't resist ... Half Moon Theatre. Kbthompson 10:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Am shocked to discover that there is absolutely nothing about Burlington Bertie (who rose at 10.30) in the wikipedia. He was from Bow, I believe, and was possibly a transvestite. That's about all I know... Colin4C 20:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Burlington Bertie by William Hargreaves, husband of Ella Shields. - or was it Harry B Norris? Kbthompson 00:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you (CmdrObot) for introducing spelling mistakes into British-English articles, as you did to Chelsea, London. I would hope this could be stopped before it goes to far. The Irish spelling is the same, CmdrO'bot. Thanks Kbthompson 20:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Someday I'll get the hang of this Default sorting thing. Thanks for taking care of it on so many of the articles I catted. What's new in KB world? In mine, someone put the Gilbert and Sullivan article, as well as the Malcolm Sargent article up for GA review. Feel like commenting on those? Be well, -- Ssilvers 02:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Lunch got can'd, which is just as well. Had a look at both articles and seems difficult to see they'd fail GA. I think they're both on the way to FA. Kbthompson 17:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Let's see if anyone completely independent takes a look and makes comments. While I've been through GA on East End, I'm not sure I feel totally competent to review. I don't see a reason why they shouldn't pass - at the moment. I'd like to submit some more articles to the process before doing a review on my own. Kbthompson 13:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for having a go at the history section- those histories are public domain due to their age, I don't suggest we should copy the whole thing though as they're vast! Also we need to find other sources for 1800-present day, Regards Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 16:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
KB, if you check original sources, you will find that Harringay and Hornsey were used interchangeably. In referring to the manor, the normal appelation was Harringay or Harringhay. The Hornsey version came later, Can you not live with this being represented on the Hundreds page? It is verifiable through ancient documents rather than 19th century history books.
Your comment on the Miidlesex page suggests that you deleted harringay because it was not a historic parish. You are right in that it was never a parish. But you are wrong because hundreds were never based on parishes. They predated them. See the Wiki page on "hundred" for easy reference on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjuk ( talk • contribs)
Kbthompson 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I've copied the conversation to Talk:Ilford and replied there. This account seems to have been set up for a single purpose and I notice almost every edit by that account has been reverted by a wide range of editors. MRSC ⢠Talk 13:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
In this vein, I have a plan for dealing with these stubs. See Talk:London postal district. Your input would be appreciated. MRSC ⢠Talk 06:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hi! Just been browsing through some pretty dreadful wikipedia articles on the East End. There's a particularly bad one on the Ratcliffe Highway Murders which somehow manages to omit the names of both the victims and the murderer and the fact that the latter was buried at the cross-roads with a stake through his heart....which I thought might JUST be worthy of mention...Nothing much on 'The Jago' either (just an article on Morrison) and a pretty bad entry for Bethnal Green which omits to tell us where it is....Some very strained attempts to master the English language as well... Colin4C 02:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
The Boundary was the world's (?) first council estate, built by a prepubescent LCC, complete with a bandstand in the middle to entertain the masses. All the areas are amorphous - they all were part of larger units - even Hackney was a part of 'Stepney' at one time! They sub-divided like amoeba with the growth in population. Nothing on London bodysnatchers turned up, except a 'paid for article' in the Surgeon Kbthompson 11:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. I've just been rewriting part of the Music hall article so that it at least approximates the known basic facts of the matter and removed stuff which was irrelevent/stupid/false. That is one seriously bad article and needs a lot of work..... Colin4C 16:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. In that it's a physical structure, presumably designed by an architect, Aldgate is an architectural creation. I realize that the connection isn't quite the strongest ever drawn. My bot is tagging articles found in Category:Buildings and structures by country, which, presumably, if categorized correctly, have relevance to Wikiproject architecture. I hope that helps. Alphachimp 01:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, K (or b, as the case may be). I saw in the Music hall article that Hoxton Hall now has an article, so I hastened to put in a link at Leeds City Varieties. I couldn't understand why there isn't an article for Wilton's, so redlinked it to add to the one in List of Restoration candidates, and googled for other references (can you tell that I'm a librarian? ex-Leeds University, actually), intending to put up a stub from online sources. Then I found myself doing major surgery on Deborah Warner and ran out of time.
Anyway, I've never visited Wilton's (must do it soon), so I'm sure you're in a better position to start an article. Do you know the Theatre Trust database? The Wilton's entry is here and looks well worth plundering. Best, Andrew ( GuillaumeTell 17:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC))
Hello again Kb. Although I like your picture of the New Standard Theatre in the Music hall article I can't help questioning whether the New Standard Theatre was in fact a music hall...According to my info it was a regular theatre... Colin4C 11:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. Just to say that there is a new series starting Tuesday on Channel 5 on Jack the Ripper which you might be interested in. I doubt that they will turn up any new evidence but its always fun to see 'the usual suspects' (the Masons, the Duke of Clarence, Sickert, Patricia Cornwall) do their jolly music-hall turn as the audience gasp in horror (and despair...) Colin4C 11:10, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, when you want to link to the article about something British, please do not link to British, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as United Kingdom or Great Britain by writing out [[United Kingdom|British]] or [[Great Britain|British]]. Regards, Jeff3000 20:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Terribly sorry, I used it in the sense to which it is usually and commonly used, i.e to denote the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and Commonwealth, that existed in the historical period referred to. cheers, Kbthompson 20:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Never heard that term before: I suggest civil parish would be correct: the vestry was the governing authority of the parish. Lozleader 17:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Wooooowh! Never, never use parishes in the sense of Finsbury - it's the Vestry that has the civil authority, ecclesiastical authority only is vested in the parish! It's the vestry what does the business, because it's what they call an elected body (in London since 1835) - as opposed to the appointees on the parish! Kbthompson 23:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kb. I'm sorry if the picture is obscuring the stats on your computer monitor. You can move it again if you like: I didn't realize that wikipedia pages look different when viewed on different machines.... Colin4C 20:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Do you think there's mileage in starting a series of pages on the Vestries and District Boards which ran London before the London Government Act 1899? (And if so, how would be best?) I have quite a bit of information which could be put there. Sam Blacketer 14:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for delay in replying, and brevity - up to ears in sharp snappy things. Should be great, as long as it's not too confusing having an ecclesiastic body and a civil authority with the same name on the same page. At that time, there was much confusion, as they were still absorbing liberties and other historical anomalies into the system. Our old friend Norton Folgate, being a case in point, where some responsibilities were taken away from them for failing to organise anything properly - like being amongst the first to have gaslight, but not having proper paved streets, or sewerage ... It's a difficult job, so good luck to you! I'll try to help with formatting and editing once life returns to normal.
What might ultimately be a good idea is to go back and insert
in some of the historical entries I've done against districts in Hackney to link into the parishes. I'll think about that one, I don't think it's a good idea to bury too much history at that level, rather keep the parish/vestry entries for organisational, population and contemporary politics.
Once free, I'll return to wiki-tabling the pop stats; if that's OK with you. Kbthompson 12:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Sorry Col, I wasn't thinking of divorce, just suggesting Sam bear in mind that the two authorities don't necessarily share the same territory; I would agree that there should not be a proliferation of unnecessary articles. I thought Sam was proposing extending the parish articles from their (usual) state of stubbiness. I already noted that it's a rather big job, with possibly a small readership (mainly us!).
Again, apologies, but I will be doing some work in 'real life' for at least the next 24 ... Kbthompson 13:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. I'm getting some flak from the Dracula talk page, about countenancing the existence of the new Count Dracula (fictional character) article, which I have added stuff to (though didn't create). To my mind there is a conceptual distinction to be made between the fictional character 'Count Dracula' and the novel 'Dracula'. What do you think? By the way, all the other major characters in the novel have their own seperate articles: Van Helsing, Harker, Mina, Lucy, Renfield etc etc. Colin4C 14:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
By all means, if you would like to edit the burlesque site in reference to the edit, go for it. -- Signaleer 17:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, yer pays yer money and takes yer choice ... had something of a communication breakdown? I used to go to a serious film club in Soho, by day it was a strip club. Every now and then, a customer would come to an evening performance, and depart when they found it wasn't up to their expectations. Kbthompson 19:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Maybe Isabelle Huppert, isn't Deneuve a bit before your time? I've been trying to rescue Theatre Workshop from stubbiness, and a merge for no apparent reason with East 15 Acting School; I'd welcome anything you could add. Kbthompson 01:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Kbtompson,
Thanks for your message about Bow, London. I'll try and explain things a little. Firstly, I am actually a member of the UK geo project - the guidelines you mention are guidelines only and not part of wikipedia's policy. They are also somewhat outdated amd I'll try to update that asap. Given I'm a member of the project (I predominantly work on the Greater Manchester area articles), as an example of my work please see Shaw and Crompton which is bestowed with WP:GA status by UK geo and Wikipedia itself, and thus an example of which to aspire towards.
Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) (in combination), standalone years, months and days of the week generally should not be linked (unless the article is about time/dates itself or the date is spelt out in full (DD/MM/YY)). Should you want Bow, London to conform to the strictest and highest of standards, this is a necessety for taking the article further.
Per the lead section (which is too short per WP:LEAD), the 4.6 miles should be spelt out in words rather than numbers, with the metric conversion being scripted with numbers (I can't think of the policy but it is out there!)
I don't remember including a "civic administration" section; I included a "civic history section" - this section is increasingly commonplace for UK geo settlements, as it groups together the "civic/administrative" history within one section, and generally improves the flow of the history section itself, without having to splice the two together. This also aids in conforming Manual of Style, as well as outlining that the settlement had a different administrative history as it does today (a feature common on other encyclopedias). Also some contents of the current administration section you re-instated, relate to a current frame of geo-administration, rather than a historic one.
I hope that helps a little. Do get back to me if need be. Jhamez84 18:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
(force retirement) replies on other user page Kbthompson 17:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Just to say that if you are ever on a pub crawl south of the river, in search of Chapliana and music-hall memories that (mostly) I have produced this handy cut-out-and-keep guide: Kennington Road. I would have probably benifited from the appropriate Pevsner guide, but I could tell that those terraces were Regency...even after the effects of the London Pride. Colin4C 12:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello again Kb. I am encountering the ultimate 'dog-in-a-manger' editor at the Jack the Ripper article. He seems to have adopted a policy of serially reverting all my edits and then personally abusing me in the Talk page. I think he (denoted merely by a number) has been unthinkingly reverting new edits there for years. For instance he has just blanked out an entire section on the 'Whitechapel Murders' which I just added and has threatened to serially revert it till doomsday, just out of a fit of pique I think. As Whitechapel murders automatically redirects to Jack the Ripper I thought that people there should have the benifit of knowing what they were: there were eleven Whitechapel murders, of which the 'canonical five' are a subset. Help! Colin4C 11:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem, sorry it carries on. I'm not sure how you bring these things to a moderator's attention, or even if that's worthwhile. I've found the ripper page interesting, and also your changes. As I say, collaboration invariably improves things, dogmatism isn't particularly useful. I don't understand why the other editor is 'all-or-nothing', but you do seem to attract these people.
There does seem a sense in which wiki editing is a hiding to nothing, what with all the vandalism and people who make changes without actually reading what they're changing ... if I had a penny for everybody who mistakes Hackney Central for LBH, I'd be a rich man ... Never mind, I do it to increase my knowledge ... I can now bore for Britain on Tudor Hackney ... beginning to have trouble finding my way around the modern streets! And as for going to Stepney, now spend all my time looking over my shoulder for Burkers! Keep at it, some agreement is always possible when people stop shaking their dongs at each other. I think your latest friend remains anon because he's already pulled the trick and been pulled before, I think it's probably a he, could be a sock-puppet! Kbthompson 19:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
All the more reason to show your maturity by allowing things to die down for a few days, then restart the discussion in the talk pages. Gather your reasons for why the material should be included and avoid being drawn into arguing with anon. Its a distraction and, I suspect, the game anon wants to play. There's a link to a collection of user space templates on my user page that can be used in extremis, but as I say let it lie. People play political games on wiki, and that somehow makes me depressed ... Kbthompson 11:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The Vandals and the Goths were always close ... Don't let it get you down. Kbthompson 17:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Nice work Kb. Our next task: Ratcliff Highway murders. At the moment this article by some weird oversight names neither the victims or the murderer..... Colin4C 16:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Done, needs more work ... See also Hackney Wick for the tale of Muller. Kbthompson 00:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Done Marine Police Force. Kbthompson 17:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Kb! Actually, I noticed the same issue and marked those two to be reviewed manually. Both of them are in Category:Drag queens, which is how SatyrBot found them and tagged them (with my oversight). But while I'm working in SatyrBot mode, I don't make changes to the categories, just to assess the class of the article. If something catches my attention, I'll bring it up at WP:LGBT and get some input from others.
In this case, I think I agree with you that those two are mis-categorized. If you feel so inclined, delete the category and the tag. If you don't, I'm going to check with the WikiProject, but I suspect we'll agree to do the same.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention! -- SatyrTN ( talk | contribs) 14:50, 4 February 2007 (UTC) (retirement when ready) q/a on other user's page Kbthompson 08:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty certain that the Britannia opened as a theatre, with the intention of putting on plays hence the name: 'The Britannia Theatre'. Although to begin with (before the law was changed in 1843) plays were strictly illegal outside the two licenced ones in Convent Garden, that didn't stop people (including the proprietor of the Britannia) breaking the law and putting on such plays. The first proper Music Halls, such as the Middlesex etc belong to a later period: the 1850's. The unusual thing about the Britannia was that it served drinks in the auditorium as per a music hall, but, to re-iterate, it opened as a theatre before the world had ever heard the term 'music hall'. It was a lot later (in the 1880s) that music-hall and theatre got confused under the name of 'variety theatre'. Colin4C 19:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I cannot find ANY reference where the Britannia is described as a Music Hall. Every ref I have seen describes it as a theatre, mentioning the plays put on etc:
Music Halls did not do melodramas and they did not do Shakespeare! Colin4C 19:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
But that's a programme from the Britannia THEATRE - which proves my point... Colin4C 11:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Contemporary description of contents of BFI film archive entitled Busy scenes outside an East London music hall. Kbthompson 00:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to look into it some more, there is a 1903 reference (in British Library) about the Britannia moving from the melodrama to the music hall circuit (owners of the Palace chain); but this conflicts with the current information about its fate between 1900 and 1913 (dark). It all needs much more investigation. I will give you that many of the playbills I've seen say Sarah Lane is licensed by the Lord Chamberlain. Which would place it more under the auspices of the theatre legislation, for that part of its life. Kbthompson 14:06, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Since the original premises sold food and drink in the auditorium, had tables, had standing room round the side and galleries above. I'd say it was a music hall of the saloon style! Now, after the introduction of the theatre act, it rebuilt itself pretty quickly - but still appears to have served food and drink in the auditorium, quite unlike any other theatre. It certainly had pretensions, but also knew what its audience wanted. Kbthompson 14:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message Kb. As for me I'm keeping a low profile at the moment, though I did do a bit of 'original research' last week in darkest Hackney, East London at the site of the Sebright Music Hall: gone, but there is a pub opposite called 'The Sebright Arms', which has a notice advertising music-hall acts every Friday....which it seems is an old notice giving out-of-date information...As a student of industrial archaeology and urban dereliction I also found fascinating the railway journey from Liverpool St to Cambridge Heath Road... Colin4C 16:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
ps this page now auto-archives, and I've begun playing with popups, both useful tools. Kbthompson 16:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The Gaiety Theatre, London looks OK to me, Kb. However, its location, Strand, London leaves a lot to be desired. You'd never guess from this page that the Strand was the centre of Victorian nightlife in all meanings of that term: from theatre to 'ladies of the night' (vide the dubious Walter's infamous 'Secret Life' available from any Soho bookshop). Colin4C 19:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your good work on the Gaiety Theatre and other articles. You are right in surmising that my understanding of London geography, then and now, is tenuous, so feel free to spruce these up. I have been trying to write about London theatres that were famous for hosting G&S works (Royalty, Gaiety, Opera Comique, Savoy, Sadlers Wells), but it is difficult without having your background, so I appreciate all the help. I've pretty much done what I can, so if you can improve them further, by all means do. I am a big G&S fan (see WP:G&S), but I realize (realise!) that I need some help from the natives! Note the W. S. Gilbert article that we upgraded to FA status. -- Best regards! -- Ssilvers 16:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I just expanded the Adelphi Theatre article. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks for all the great work! As to theatres in general, that's not my focus, so I think I'm pretty much done with what I can do on these articles. I'm more interested in the musicals that played there. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 19:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! I went back in to the Adelphi Theatre article and added a link backing up some of your info and couple headings and put the info in more chronological order. The article is looking much better, but it could use a few more references/links if you have any. Thanks, and best regards! -- Ssilvers 17:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
The original situation was that East London pointed to the South African city. At the end of January, this page was moved to East London, South Africa and a new disambiguation page was made at East London (which is now at East London (disambiguation). The proposal I have made is to redo the move of the South African city from East London to East London, South Africa. Sam Blacketer 17:07, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add unhelpful and non-constructive information to Wikipedia. Your edits could be considered vandalism, and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. 65.12.162.36 06:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reference Kb. I'm intrigued that there was a music hall in Leman Street (which still hosts dancing girls at a certain venue...Inspector Abberline's (of Ripper fame) police station is there also (very handy for the opium dens of Limehouse - but I digress...)). Colin4C 16:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Good question. I'm not an expert here, but I don't think you're right. W. S. Gilbert, for instance, called many of his plays (both musical and non-musical) "burlesques". I think that, nowadays, British people would call this form Travesty. See the articles for Travesty and Burlesque (genre). Frankly, I think Wikipedia's coverage of the entire subject is a little inconsistent and confused currently. If you can add any clarity, please do so by all means, but I think that many British Victorian authors referred to their low comedy works as burlesque. By the way, there is also some confusion with Victorian melodrama, pantomime and other forms, as well as "variety", "vaudeville", "music hall", etc., and indeed, I believe that in the Victorian era, many stage works mixed elements of the various comic forms. Whew!! I'll stop talking now. -- Ssilvers 18:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Apparently (see Surrey Theatre), you could do anything you wanted, so long as it had musical accompaniment of some kind. So, all the theatres had a piano, and a guy played the piano while the play was going on. Melodrama was a sort of play where there was musical underscoring all the time anyway, and I think most "Burlesques" had actual musical numbers, which were, at least in some cases, silly lyrics set to well-known melodies, like "Greensleeves" or something from Mozart. Maybe some of the "external links" will help you. Good luck! -- Ssilvers 04:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I did look to the site, and they list the awards as the 2007 Orange British Academy Film Awards. I also assumed because both the Golden Globes and Oscars, although dealing with films that opened in 2006, were listed under 2007, the BAFTA should also be listed under 2007 since that is when Helen Mirren actually won the award. I won't push the issue, however; just don't assume there isn't two ways of looking at it. MarÃa: ( habla ~ cosas) 14:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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It appears that this theatre was built long before the theatre now known as The Prince of Wales Theatre and it is not clear which of the many articles that link to the latter really played at the former. I am afraid that I have confused the issue for several months. Can you do anything to comb out this mess? Thanks for any help! -- Ssilvers 22:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Great job! I added some info to both articles, but particularly the Scala article needs more content. BTW, not G&S, just Gilbert. His play The Palace of Truth is referenced here. [2] Thanks! -- Ssilvers 15:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Kb. Please take a look at Prince of Wales Theatre. I think you'll find it somewhat improved! Any comments/changes welcome. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 00:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi there, I've got to go Nat Trusting in a minute, I'll try to give it some attention later. Kbthompson 12:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Just to inform you that Stephen Dorril's damning new bio of Oswold Mosley: 'Blackshirt' has just been published in paperback (£9.99 from Penguin). Of interest to the study of East-End Fascism of the 'Knees up Eva Braun' variety: as well as the Cable Street fracas, apparantly Mosley stood as a candidate for Shoreditch after the war...(but lost). Colin4C 11:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe MRSC's edits are right; it's a reorganisation of the London Postcode pages. Cheers Kbthompson 00:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
They were part of changes made to support Template talk:Infobox UK place. It would be best for you to make your comments there. Kbthompson 00:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you added the box, and it looks good. However, the link to Almeida does not take one to the theatre. However, there is a Wiki Almeida Theatre article, so maybe you can adjust the box to get to the correct article. I'm not sure how it is done. All the best, Viva-Verdi 16:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. The box is a nice way to navigate around from theatre to theatre, and there is a similar one for Broadway theatres. I'm not sure you need the "fringe" theatres in the box - maybe you could just show a "hide" button that expands to reveal the fringe theatres if one wishes to see those - whatever you think. You've done yeoman work here. Well done! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 04:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Looking at Category:Streets in London there are quite a few streets suffixed ", London" so I guess that is the right dab form to use. MRSC ⢠Talk 10:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, may I ask why this template is locked from editing? Thanks Kbthompson 17:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Kb.
Have you seen these articles? They may be helpful in a number of entries:
Please feel free to work on the template that I created. I have had very little time for WP lately, but would be lovely if you could pick up the baton. --
Peripatetic 10:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just wanted to say thanks for the nod on the DYK for the Fortune Theatre article...and, actually, I was wondering if I could ask for a bit of geography help from a native Londoner. I am trying to find the neighborhood where the people who stole Elizabeth Barrett Browning's dog lived; I know that they lived near Wimpole Street at the bottom of Tottenham Court Road, but am otherwise baffled. If you have a chance could you help me specify? Thanks again. Jlittlet 17:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
-- ALoan (Talk) 00:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Very sorry about that. I had to go back over them all again and add a reference. I can't think why I didn't add the references when I made the entries. Maybe I'm having a bad day! Could you answer a question for me? Is the Court Theatre the same as the Royal Court in Sloane Square? If so, when did it acquire the 'Royal'? David Lauder 13:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The Royal Court Theatre at Sloan Square was opened in 1871 and closed in 1887. A new theatre with that name was built on a different site in Sloan Square in 1888 and survives today. I'm pretty sure there were no other significant theatres with that name since then. The Theatre Museum in London has a major collection of information about this theatre. I just beefed up the article, but it still needs more work. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 05:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to clarify that Gielgud was not the only theatre called "Globe", so I thought that pointing to the disambig page would give people some useful info. BTW, I plan to put up an article for the slightly earlier "Globe Theatre" that was, along with the Opera Comique, one of the Rickety Twins, unless someone beats me to it. That Globe presented a number of important productions in its relatively short career. Also BTW, check out the new article on Olympic Theatre. Can you add an image into it? I'm afraid I'm a little technologically challenged. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for putting in the images. BTW, I asked before, but I did not understand: What is the function of the < cite> tag, which you add when after < ref> tags? I can't figure it out. Also, I expanded St James's Theatre and Gielgud Theatre. See if you have any comments/corrections. -- Best regards, -- Ssilvers 02:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I am still confused, but I think the answer to my question may be that the < cite> tag puts the text that comes after it in *italics*? Is that right? If so, that is all I was trying to understand! :-) -- Ssilvers 12:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I have merged Three Mills and Three Mills Island by a simple REDIRECT. Gordo 10:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Would you kindly put images of the Royalty theatre and St. James theatre up from one of the images in the Lloyd external links? Thanks for helping the incompetent! Best regards, -- Ssilvers 22:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. If there are any images of these theatres that we can use, that would be great! -- Ssilvers 04:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
What's the problem with the link to the History of Bromley by Bow on the Bromly page? It includes references to Bow as well as Bromly by Bow and is therefore relevant (notwithstanding there's a whole debate which probably needs to continue about how one comments on an area which used to be larger than the two modern day wards)? I didn't understand the self-reverential comment. Did you think I'm the author? In which case you're mistaken - I just know how to Google! ;) Cosmopolitancats 01:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Great images! Thanks! -- Ssilvers 20:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
How about adding the postcard image to the Iolanthe article? BTW, I did some editing at Savoy Theatre just now. I'm not sure who owned the theatre after Rupert died. It may be that the Savoy group owned it. Bridget was a major shareholder, but not the sole owner of that group. By the 1960's, Bridget had given the opera company to a trust that she ran for a time (the company closed in 1982), but I'm not sure what happened to the theatre's ownership. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Funny enough: The theatre's own website supplied the missing info, except for the purchase by the prince in 2007. Would you kindly add a cite for that? Best regards! -- Ssilvers 03:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
This needs expansion desperately. Unfortunately, it's 2:30 in the morning, and I have to get up in 4-1/2 hours. Plus, I have to work tomorrow so I don't get fired! -- Ssilvers 06:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Excellent. I, too, will not get to this until late (NY time). -- Ssilvers 12:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
But I just found a picture of the Empire Theatre Leicester Square - now Empire (cinema); looks like there was a theatre stub, but it got merged (as one sentence) into the later cinema - enjoy the thrills, the spills, the cries of rage from cinemaophiles as two-thirds of the article turns to theatre ... No, as you say, its been a pleasure. A tremendous amount achieved in a short time and a lot of justice done to London's Victorian theatre history. There's more, somewhere like Mile End Road had over 300 theatres and music halls between Aldgate and Mile End - there's the area's Yiddish theatre (verging on original research ... tempted?). No this month I've clocked as many edits as in the previous three months, so you're right to give it a rest. It's good to hit these things in a rush, with all the references to hand, but ultimately better to get back to real life! Good luck with everything. Kbthompson 08:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Hard to believe that I have walked up and down Whitechapel High Street several hundred times without realizing where I was...But then again ask the average London resident about any directions and they won't have a clue: 'Dunno guv I'm from Tajikistan' being the usual reply. Colin4C 22:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Well done, kudos, though I will not dwell on the specific reason. And also, thanks for reinforcing my conviction that every district needs a Listed Buildings section - appropriately referenced, of course, which is part of the fun*. And these can, of course, migrate selectively upwards to borough** level. I may just take this mission on board and run with it, it'll keep me out of trouble and I can go on a mission to get pix where they're missing too...
It's always easier to aim if you know what you're aiming at. I don't know whether you've ever looked at any other articles about places from elsewhere in the UK but this is the one that was quoted to me when I first started as being a "good article" Shaw and Crompton. Now this place is similar to one of the areas within Tower Hamlets so this maybe conveys to you a bit better why I'm banging on about needing to bring articles up to standard. Or to put it another way, somebody had a go at dinning it into me and I'm now evangelising!
I don't see any particular need for speed so much as being clear about what sort of quality standard we're aiming for - and what it takes to get it. We can leave them at 'stub' or 'start' quality level - but I think that ought to be a conscious decision rather than an unconscious one. Personally - I'm for doing the best we can do without undue effort for starters and getting into good habits.
Hope you don't me putting this on your talk page. It just suddenly struck me that there was a way of showing you why I've been going on and on and on about standards and quality. Cosmopolitancats 17:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello! Blue links exist so that the reader can click on them to get additional info about a subject if he/she desires. To describe what each of the past productions at this or any venue was is to provide unnecessary data that clutters the article. If you click on the link for Me and My Gal, you'll find who starred in the original production. I'm trying to streamline Wiki articles by removing redundant facts that are included in the blue-linked articles. If there was no way to reference additional info (due to lack of a blue-linked source), then it would be appropriate to include the details. I hope that explanation clarifies my intent. Thanks for your input! SFTVLGUY2 17:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm curious, why would you choose to get involved in a discussion I'm having with another editor? Since I would never consider responding to a note left on someone else's discussion page that had nothing to do with me, I don't understand what possessed you to reply to a message I left for Ssilvers. It seems very odd. Given he seems to think he controls the musical theatre project when, in fact, I'm the only one who has contributed new articles to it on a daily basis for the past few months, I think I was quite civil in the way I addressed him. But that's beside the point. What interests me is why you would be so interested. Thank you. SFTVLGUY2 23:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
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I hereby award you this Working Man's Barnstar to recognize your tireless contributions large and small to WikiProject London and elsewhere in Wikipedia, many of which are of a repetitive or tedious nature. Contributors like you increase Wikipedia's quality. =) Ssilvers 20:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC) |
-- ALoan (Talk) 13:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Would you please weigh in with your opinion at Buddy - The Buddy Holly Story? Thanks for your opinion either way. -- Ssilvers 18:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes. I think these are good. We should have one for every borough. I think Newham and Richmond are the only other two. I started them ages ago and forogt about them (as you do). MRSC ⢠Talk 17:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it make more sense to call it "Districts of Haringey"? Simply south 18:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone added about half a dozen mentions of Wendy Hiller to the Haymarket Theatre article. Please take a look and see if you think they are all notable appearances. I'll rely on your excellent judgment and will support your decision to either leave them in or cut one or more repetitions. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 04:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, Thanks. Do you think that this list of productions is too long? Unless there is some reason why a production was particularly notable, I don't see why we are listing it. The fact that Hiller or Daniell appeared in it, I think, does not make it notable unless it either had a rather substantial run or had some other historical importance, which we should mention. Thanks. -- Ssilvers 13:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Who's Who in the Theatre has a section on notable plays and revivals. I am inclined to think if a famous actor has appeared in a production that makes it notable in itself. At least, that is how the general public/average reader would view it, because TV and film have made many who started out on the stage famous. I also think it gives the theatre a certain amount of distinction having had such people tread their boards. Lets face it, there must be thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of actors and actresses who are not notable for any reason. The alternative suggestion could be a list of productions at a theatre over the years adding "with Lawrence Olivier as Henry V" (or whatever) after it. David Lauder 17:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think we need to cut it down too much. But I agree that the mere fact that a notable actor appeared in a ho-hum play does not make that play notable - it is only one factor. The play must either catch on with the public and have a good run, with the critics and be nominated for "Best Play" or have some other indicia of notability. It may be significant to an actor's career that he stepped into a role in a dull play for a few performances -- he might have been noticed by a casting director and soon hired for a really significant role. It should then be mentioned in the actor's bio article; but I don't think it means that that work ought to be listed in the *theatre's* article. I disagree that people want to see too much detail about less notable productions in an article about a theatre. I'm content to leave it in for now, but the Haymarket is an important theatre, and if we want to upgrade it to Good Article, we will need to do some editing. For one thing, I don't think the "list" approach will wash. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, we might just have to agree to disagree, but let me try to explain more clearly what I am saying: If a theatre is a crappy little theatre, and the best boast that it can make is that a well-known actor of the early 1900s once passed through there, then yes, I agree that is very notable in that article. However, if a theatre is a major venue, in which hundreds or thousands of notable actors have appeared, such as the Haymarket, then it only unbalances and clutters up the article to mention particular appearances by actors, except for the ones that are particularly notable, because there are lots of really notable things to say about that theatre, and we should be focusing on those and not just throwing in information because we happen to come accross it. I am sure that there is more to say about the Haymarket that is far more notable than that Hiller or Daniell played in yet another play there, unless that play is of enough importance that we can write more than a stub about it. If they played in an important play, then yes, definitely say so. But let's be a little selective in putting the most notable information in the article. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 22:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi ya I note that you've changed the text of the Manor House article from indicating that it straddles the border of Haringey and Hackney to being solely in Hackney. The article states that the area is centred on the tube station - which (I believe has one exit in the LBH, but no part of the tube station). Of the area surrounding the crossroads, I believe 3/4 lies in Haringey, and 1/4 within LBH. I note the tube station has also mysteriously moved to Hackney - despite Hackney being able to proudly boast that it is the one borough north of the river not to have a tube station.
The stuff I added relied on the information that was already there, and I didn't change any of it - apart from changing Hackney -> Neighbourhood of Hackney and Haringey -> Neighbourhood of Haringey; and adding the two borough nav bars.
I know the border goes through there, and the junctions are quite complex (in fact, it's probably more true to say that Manor House is covered by tarmac!), but I think between us, we can work out what's going on geographically.
Cheers Kbthompson 23:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message.
As far as I can make out, the Haringey -> Hackney border follows the Finsbury Park Border along the north side of Seven Sisters Road to the Manor House Junction. It then proceeds along the west side of Green Lanes to a point just past the Hermitage Road junction where Green Lanes "submerges" totally into Haringey. This would mean that the situation is actully the reverse of what you state (3/4 lies in Hackney, and 1/4 within LBHgy, with only one entrance of the Underground Station falling into Haringey "territory". -- IsarSteve 08:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
This theatre could use some beefing up if you have any time. I'll try to do some too. -- Ssilvers 19:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Great work! It's a pretty respectable little article now. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 13:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Simply south 09:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I was just giving examples. There are so many world famous attractions and landmarks to name. Btw, City of London doesn't seem to count as a borough and i'm not sure it includes any other districts. Simply south 10:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi there; you just inserted a comment into an anon-user's page telling him that he was blocked. You are, I believe, not an admin; if I am wrong here tell me, and I will go and hide. Only an admin can impose a block, and to tell an editor that he is blocked when he is not is regarded as serious vandalism; whether he deserves to be blocked is, as far as this is concerned, irrelevant. Reported vandalism is, of course, correct. But please do not attempt to abrogate sysop functions.-- Anthony.bradbury 11:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Well i've just done Template:LB Kensington and Chelsea. Have a loook. Do you think i should change the name to RB Kensington and Chealsea? Simply south 20:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
They seem a little more confident than they were in January; can see their way to March 2008, and hope to have a trust in place to pay for the building by then. We'll see. -- Tagishsimon (talk)
Congratulations Kb. I applaud your devotion to Truth - a good looking woman, and bold with it, as I can see from your user page. Colin4C 09:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Oddly now, i decided to add a few and stopped at Hanoworth. I however did not add the neighbourhoods cat. The template is appearing twice on the pages and finally the title of this discussion is a typo. Simply south 16:53, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking of creating an article on literary London, or London in literature. What do you think? There is already a London in fiction article, but it is just an (inaccurate) list, and anyway 'fiction' is not synonymous with 'literature'. A better article would mention the activities and locales of the London literati and such people as Shakespeare, Pepys, Johnson, Keats and Betjeman whose contribution to London literature was not necessarily in the form of pulp fiction...Or maybe the emphasis should be on how London itself has been constructed through literature: Dickensian London, Holmsian London, Sax Rohmer's East End, 'Metroland', etc etc. Colin4C 12:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
No I have every agreement, merely urge you to identify where you're going with it. There are multiple directions - some could even be undertaken at the same time. I think it's a useful article because it's under-represented, hell, it's even important! Kbthompson 22:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick review around 111/2 days ago!. I will see how i can improve Simply south 10:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
for your Theatres in London Template? -- Peripatetic 13:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I performed my first-ever merger at George Formby and came here to thank you for your support. -- Futurano 11:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Apologies also for insertion under Stock Photography. SarahEMBH
Kb, there is a play on BBC4 about Marie Lloyd, on Wednesday, if you are interested... Colin4C 10:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Where did you get the information that this is the artist's official website? Obiskobilob 17:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
I have read the site and can find nothing on it to indicate that it is George Melly's official site. Indeed Tomandlu who is GM's son states on the Talk:George Melly page that he does not believe it is officially endorsed. Jack L Higgins has a site [8] but it does not seem to have been updated with respect to GM since 2004. Can you provide a reliable source for your information about [9] georgemelly.com? Obiskobilob 19:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your La Strada edits. Weigh in on the discussion here if you care to. IMO, we don't need everyone to say "play nice", we need someone to really look at the problem and see the extent and seriousness of it. It is a systematic destruction of information on Wikipedia. -- Ssilvers 13:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I agree about the RfC. Can you start the process? I can add my examples/experience to it, and so would SandyGeorgia. The more editors review this, the better. -- Ssilvers 17:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I added some info. Feel free to trim out anything you think is unnecessary. I think the article could be even clearer that the Unity theatre was presenting works that were quite different from the mainstream works of the day, that only the Unity theatre did this, and how the movement spread throughout Britain (anywhere else)? I know there was something like it in the U.S.) The movement was a key artistic and political outlet for working people during WW II.... Best regards, -- Ssilvers 20:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Marylebone is not a borough but is very much a specific area of London famous in history which many famous people, places and organizations have been associated with. Regards Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 23:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
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KB, I was really pleased to see someone had made Unity Theatre, London a proper entry of its own - it deserves it (especially on a wiki projects - after all it was "Theatre by the people for the people". I've just made a few edits to it. I've got an amount of info on this subject. Besides Colin Chambers' invalueable book I've got various theatre programmes and other odds and ends, so can try and look bits up if there's more we want to add on it. Skekayuk 10:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, I couldn't resist ... Half Moon Theatre. Kbthompson 10:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Am shocked to discover that there is absolutely nothing about Burlington Bertie (who rose at 10.30) in the wikipedia. He was from Bow, I believe, and was possibly a transvestite. That's about all I know... Colin4C 20:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Burlington Bertie by William Hargreaves, husband of Ella Shields. - or was it Harry B Norris? Kbthompson 00:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you (CmdrObot) for introducing spelling mistakes into British-English articles, as you did to Chelsea, London. I would hope this could be stopped before it goes to far. The Irish spelling is the same, CmdrO'bot. Thanks Kbthompson 20:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Someday I'll get the hang of this Default sorting thing. Thanks for taking care of it on so many of the articles I catted. What's new in KB world? In mine, someone put the Gilbert and Sullivan article, as well as the Malcolm Sargent article up for GA review. Feel like commenting on those? Be well, -- Ssilvers 02:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Lunch got can'd, which is just as well. Had a look at both articles and seems difficult to see they'd fail GA. I think they're both on the way to FA. Kbthompson 17:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Let's see if anyone completely independent takes a look and makes comments. While I've been through GA on East End, I'm not sure I feel totally competent to review. I don't see a reason why they shouldn't pass - at the moment. I'd like to submit some more articles to the process before doing a review on my own. Kbthompson 13:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for having a go at the history section- those histories are public domain due to their age, I don't suggest we should copy the whole thing though as they're vast! Also we need to find other sources for 1800-present day, Regards Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 16:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
KB, if you check original sources, you will find that Harringay and Hornsey were used interchangeably. In referring to the manor, the normal appelation was Harringay or Harringhay. The Hornsey version came later, Can you not live with this being represented on the Hundreds page? It is verifiable through ancient documents rather than 19th century history books.
Your comment on the Miidlesex page suggests that you deleted harringay because it was not a historic parish. You are right in that it was never a parish. But you are wrong because hundreds were never based on parishes. They predated them. See the Wiki page on "hundred" for easy reference on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjuk ( talk • contribs)
Kbthompson 21:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I've copied the conversation to Talk:Ilford and replied there. This account seems to have been set up for a single purpose and I notice almost every edit by that account has been reverted by a wide range of editors. MRSC ⢠Talk 13:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
In this vein, I have a plan for dealing with these stubs. See Talk:London postal district. Your input would be appreciated. MRSC ⢠Talk 06:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)