This summary represents bug statuses as per the users reporting/testing them, not per their status in bugzilla.
Hi,
With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?
I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple of days
Number | Name of page where probleme arose | Screen shot or Difference of edit if available | Problem description | additional details | ULS Method of input | Browers and OS | Bug/status |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | Cannot create the screen shot/or edit diff | No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately | If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal. Also applicable for VE + ULS (hi transliteration) | Firefox+Win7, Google chrome+Win7 | and |
2 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | ![]() |
In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम | Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
3 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | ![]() |
Uncalled for repetition of charecters please see the file image | After this problem some time backspace, delete keys and left and right arrow keys of the key board work some times, do not work many times | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal (Key unresponsiveness also applicable for VE+ULS hi transliteration) | Firefox+Win7 | keys not working: |
4 | mr:अभिमन्यु and all other articles with text already present | Screen shot or diff Not possible without video recording itself of VE's moving self action | spell correction of any word eats up text on right side until you press space bar | उदाहरण | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
5 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Wont be difficult to provide screen shots , Still need more usage pattern observation before providing screenshots to provide steps to reproduce | Where text is already present,Along with any of above problems, Some times edited aspect is shown in edit window but does not reflect in edit preview | Probably problem arises when we insert any additional charecters or word between two existing words in a sentence.I suppose this would be easy to reproduce. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
6 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Image to be provided | If for spelling correction purposes only few charecters within any word are selected and replaced with other charecter of same or lesser length, without movement of arrow keys or spacebar, save button does not get enabled, so effectively we would not be able to save the change | Behaviour seems to be indirectly related to above point 5 testing for the same going on | |||
7 | all articles | Do we need image for this | need enabling ULS input in Link,Reference,Category and template edit-windows | उदाहरण |
Following most required marathi language typing pattern produces marathi sentense as given below in ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) using roman engilsh "qwerty" key board in traditional wikisource editing; The target for VisualEditor team is the same to happen smoothly for VisualEditor+ ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) environment.
most required marathi language typing pattern example
should transliterate ( produce) to following in smooth manner.
Bugs to watch
Mahitgar ( talk) 09:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks look forwards to - Mahitgar ( talk) 11:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for very positive response.Your suggession is most welcome I will place this discussion on your talk page and add further aspects there.Besides mr I can certainly bring in info on hi sa and ne wiki over coming week.
Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 16:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
@ Siddhartha Ghai Thanks for nice support in reporting the bugs. I wish and request to have a look at bug 53754(not in above list) and please do check for hindi language too.
Thanks Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 02:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk • contribs)
Thanks , will keep you updated as suggested by your goodselves.
Rgds- Mahitgar ( talk) 14:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Yesterday and today I tried problems in bug no 53700 and 53705 for Marathi besides more left to right indic languages namely Hindi,Ahirani,Konkni,Bangla, etc this problem seems to exist across the languages.
This is just to keep you informed rgds
Mahitgar (
talk)
08:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,Usually I compare software development tasks with road development and maintenance.As a user, reporting instances of pot holes and inconviniences is our small effort to support you constructively,and it is for benefit of our own projects.You are better placed to define and decide where to fix a pot hole first,or it is better to construct a new road or whether our demands are technically feasible or not;you know the sprectrum better.I belive in technical people and understand tasks at your hand; and will support you positively.Thanks rgds
Mahitgar ( talk) 07:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
>>while other issues that the patch may have fixed need to be tested (by Mahitgar,<< @ Siddhartha Ghai,
Rgds Mahitgar ( talk) 07:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, it seems some work has taken place on bug no 53757 and Bug No.53701 and it has been requested to test it at http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ but fire fox did not open that website for me ,firefox says the link is unreliable. May be you can help in testing these bugs and also guide me also.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 02:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
@ User:JEissfeldt (WMF) @ Siddhartha Ghai,
Hi, Seasons greetings !
After several months I checked mr-wikipedia by enabling VE; but could not access ULS in article editing with VE ; ULS was working in search field. (So after testing I disaled VE again)
Any way any hopes or chances of any good news on these fronts ?
Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 11:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Poll has finish. How we follow from here? Cheers. Ganímedes ( talk) 23:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Dear JEissfeldt,
You posted a message on my talk page requesting me to translate this ( this note on interface changes) block of text into Frisian. I'm afraid I'm going to have to respectfully decline. First of all, I'm not sure why you asked me, but I'm just a user, not an administrator, and I've no intention of becoming one. Second, the Frisian Wikipedia is a very small Wikipedia community and frankly it isn't worth the amount of time and energy it takes to translate these things, when most users are fluent enough in English to understand the English language version. (Perhaps in the future you could add a link to a Dutch translation; that might by useful to some Frisian users.) Also, and this is purely a personal thing concerning this VisualEditor, I cannot understand why people keep fiddling with things when they work just fine the way they are. Anyway, I thought the decent thing to do was give you an explanation for my non-compliance with your request, so here you are. I hope there are no hard feelings. I wish you Frohe Weihnachten und ein glückliches neues Jahr (or as we say in Frisian: noflike krystdagen en in lokkich nijjier). Ieneach fan 'e Esk ( talk) 17:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
@ JEissfeldt (WMF) and Runab WMF:: Hello. ULS has been disabled by default for about 25 days now since this announcement: mw:Universal_Language_Selector/Announcement_Jan2014. I have some questions:
Thanks.-- Siddhartha Ghai ( talk) 11:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
It has been suggested at WP:AN#Username gymnastics that I should forgo the diacritics in my username. Is this consistent with the missions of the foundation, to disregard the cultural heritage of long-term Wikipedia editors, so that things are made more "convenient" for bureaucrats? I, for one, am astonished that WP administrators would even entertain such a suggestion, let alone that there would appear to be considerable support for the idea. Sławomir Biały ( talk) 14:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Hallo Jan, es sieht aus, dass Wikipedia auf der Hauptseite eine Liste für andere Projekte hinzugefügt haben. Bei der mongolischer Hauptseite wurde nicht übersetzt, wenn du zugreifen kannst, bitte mit der übersetzung tauschen:
Grüß Munkhzaya.E ( talk) 08:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Something of interest to WMF [3]. 178.223.37.247 ( talk) 02:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
![]() |
Hi Jan, thank you for using your own account and name to communicate with us. I for one, appreciate it. starship .paint ( talk) 13:30, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
Are Office bans which are not required for legal compliance reasons, such as for harassment and incivility, appealable to Jimbo Wales? [4] EllenCT ( talk) 17:09, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
![]() |
Attaching your name to the Fram debate was a significant (and somewhat risky) move. I hope that having an individual rather than a faceless entity will help to calm the situation, but either way, you have earned a lot of respect from me for your action, and I appreciate it. creffett ( talk) 19:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
Hi Jan. Members of this community are actively asking questions of you in response to the statement you made a few hours ago, as well as about the basis of the unprecedented one year ban of Fram. It would be immensely helpful if you would engage in an actual dialog and answer those questions, rather that simply issuing periodic statements about process. Avoiding non-privacy-violating questions about Fram's ban appears evasive, and that tends to undermine the principal of Trust. - Mr X 🖋 20:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Jan, you have provided some background about the position you hold in the WMF. Basically admitting that you are in charge of T&S but are not aware of what goes on. Perhaps you could let us know who your immediate superior is. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
The Detox tool here scores "I am gay" as 90% attack, 90% aggressive, but "I am straight" as 0% attack, 1% aggressive. It also scores certain ethnicities as more aggressive or attacking as others, and does not appear to regard some forms of anti-Semitic abuse as attacking or aggressive. It is not acceptable for such a tool to be hosted by the Foundation, still less for that tool to be used by the Foundation in any way when judging editor conduct. DuncanHill ( talk) 18:19, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Results: not attack: 1.00 attack: 0.00 not aggressive: 1.00 aggressive: 0.00
You can add sexist to the list of Detox's prejudices. It misses the EXACT thing it's supposed to prevent, sexual harassment. Vexations ( talk) 22:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
@ JEissfeldt (WMF): Further to the above, I am concerned that results from the tool may have been used to judge the behaviour of editors, and also for the preparation of papers. policy documents, etc. Can you confirm that the tool has not been used to evaluate editors, and that any papers etc based upon its results will be withdrawn? Thank you, DuncanHill ( talk) 14:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Why did users continue to be added until last month? [5] Leaky caldron ( talk) 09:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for any information you can provide. Jehochman Talk 08:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I have named you as a party in a request for arbitration. I did this so that you would receive case notices and also have the opportunity to comment on the case if you wish. Perhaps you will enjoy taking a close look at how the arbitration process works.
You are invited to make an initial statement of why the case should be accepted or declined, or to reply to questions posed by anyone else on the page. Please comment only in your own section. Jehochman Talk 12:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
![]() | |
Franz Kafka: Das Schloss | |
---|---|
... about alienation,
|
Today is Kafka's birthday, and his topics seem strikingly similar to what I feel looking at T&S action represented by you. I hope for more responsiveness and transparency. I have asked before, without response, on your German user talk, - better responsiveness begins with little steps. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
IIRC, after posts came from the WMFOffice account, several users pointed out that the prior understanding of the account was that it could not add comments (or make any other edits adding content), due to legal concerns. I don't remember seeing any responses to that from the WMF. The WMF's Legal policy still states that employees "should not engage in adding new content" when conducting office actions (see the part titled "No Editing" under "Office Actions"). Did the Trust and Safety team consult with Legal before performing the edits? Is it generally permissible for the WMF to post comments from that account? It would be helpful to get clarification on this.
Thanks. -- Yair rand ( talk) 21:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Your team’s action against Fram has been one of the most disruptive and divisive things to hit Wikipedia. Now here we are 3 months on without it resolved, and indeed still negatively affecting the environment, causing drama, refusing to end. Do you have anything else to add, or do you take away any lessons learned? It would be helpful to get your feedback. Do you think you owe the community an apology or do you still stand behind the ban? Mr Ernie ( talk) 19:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
We are a robust, but imperfect, self-regulating community. Please don't try to force change on us. You are welcome to attempt persuasion and education. In the long run these methods would be more effective than force and less disruptive too. Jehochman Talk 19:48, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I think that your comments, while well-intentioned, are adding more fuel to the fire than is actually necessary, especially if you are either unwilling or unable to do a little self-reflection on what went wrong with this controversy and what the foundation, and by proxy, your team, could have done differently. With that said, I’d like to respectfully request that you voluntarily recuse yourself from the upcoming RfC. I do believe that your intentions are good, but I also believe that your participation could be seen as disruptive by the rest of the community. OhKayeSierra ( talk) 18:44, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, I would like to thank the Arbitration Committee for all its hard work on this case. We know both the case and situation were unusual, and we appreciate Arbcom's dedication and approaching this with thought and nuance. We also appreciate Arbcom recognizing that it is permitted to hear and adjudicate private cases when such a case type is necessary. The Wikimedia Foundation looks forward to the coming RFC on the topic of "how harassment and private complaints should be handled in the future". We also invite community members to participate in the upcoming community consultation on the topic of partial and temporary office actions, which will be launching next Monday on Meta.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:31, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
This summary represents bug statuses as per the users reporting/testing them, not per their status in bugzilla.
Hi,
With reference to bug no 49569. From my todays test edits at mr wiki, it seems some efforts have taken place to initiate/enable ULS unicode Devnagari Script input in VE edits.But for practical usage,even for primary begining, it seems to have too many issues yet.Before informing the issues do we wait untill we are officially informed from your side or do we start reporting issues ?
I suppose till now there is no separate bug to track "VE+ULS unicode Marathi language Devnagari script issues". Would you prefer to start a separate bug for tracking or you expect us to join with some existing bug reports for related issues.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 05:31, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for all above replies.I will study and list problems for Marathi language VE+ULS environment here in a tabular form over couple of days
Number | Name of page where probleme arose | Screen shot or Difference of edit if available | Problem description | additional details | ULS Method of input | Browers and OS | Bug/status |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | Cannot create the screen shot/or edit diff | No other text on a page> Type a word + space bar = eliminates typed text imidiately | If some text is already there on the page or we copy paste then we can give the space bar with less frequency of this problem. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal. Also applicable for VE + ULS (hi transliteration) | Firefox+Win7, Google chrome+Win7 | and |
2 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | ![]() |
In normal speed typing,after we type first alphaabate cursor moves from right to left direction.Word marathi need to apear मराठी with VE+ULS instead is coming राठीम | Marathi language devanagari is written in left to right direction.But when we use ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण with VE cursor is moving in opposite direction as if we are typing a right to left script | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
3 | mr:धूळपाटी(sandbox page) | ![]() |
Uncalled for repetition of charecters please see the file image | After this problem some time backspace, delete keys and left and right arrow keys of the key board work some times, do not work many times | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal (Key unresponsiveness also applicable for VE+ULS hi transliteration) | Firefox+Win7 | keys not working: |
4 | mr:अभिमन्यु and all other articles with text already present | Screen shot or diff Not possible without video recording itself of VE's moving self action | spell correction of any word eats up text on right side until you press space bar | उदाहरण | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
5 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Wont be difficult to provide screen shots , Still need more usage pattern observation before providing screenshots to provide steps to reproduce | Where text is already present,Along with any of above problems, Some times edited aspect is shown in edit window but does not reflect in edit preview | Probably problem arises when we insert any additional charecters or word between two existing words in a sentence.I suppose this would be easy to reproduce. | VE+ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण (Non-VE source edit environ,ULS Method of input = अक्षरांतरण works normal | Firefox+Win7 | |
6 | Any random selected article on mr-wikipedia | Image to be provided | If for spelling correction purposes only few charecters within any word are selected and replaced with other charecter of same or lesser length, without movement of arrow keys or spacebar, save button does not get enabled, so effectively we would not be able to save the change | Behaviour seems to be indirectly related to above point 5 testing for the same going on | |||
7 | all articles | Do we need image for this | need enabling ULS input in Link,Reference,Category and template edit-windows | उदाहरण |
Following most required marathi language typing pattern produces marathi sentense as given below in ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) using roman engilsh "qwerty" key board in traditional wikisource editing; The target for VisualEditor team is the same to happen smoothly for VisualEditor+ ULS input अक्षरांतरण (transliteration) environment.
most required marathi language typing pattern example
should transliterate ( produce) to following in smooth manner.
Bugs to watch
Mahitgar ( talk) 09:51, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks look forwards to - Mahitgar ( talk) 11:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for very positive response.Your suggession is most welcome I will place this discussion on your talk page and add further aspects there.Besides mr I can certainly bring in info on hi sa and ne wiki over coming week.
Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 16:00, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
@ Siddhartha Ghai Thanks for nice support in reporting the bugs. I wish and request to have a look at bug 53754(not in above list) and please do check for hindi language too.
Thanks Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 02:56, 5 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatamidoing (WMF) ( talk • contribs)
Thanks , will keep you updated as suggested by your goodselves.
Rgds- Mahitgar ( talk) 14:38, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Yesterday and today I tried problems in bug no 53700 and 53705 for Marathi besides more left to right indic languages namely Hindi,Ahirani,Konkni,Bangla, etc this problem seems to exist across the languages.
This is just to keep you informed rgds
Mahitgar (
talk)
08:46, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi,Usually I compare software development tasks with road development and maintenance.As a user, reporting instances of pot holes and inconviniences is our small effort to support you constructively,and it is for benefit of our own projects.You are better placed to define and decide where to fix a pot hole first,or it is better to construct a new road or whether our demands are technically feasible or not;you know the sprectrum better.I belive in technical people and understand tasks at your hand; and will support you positively.Thanks rgds
Mahitgar ( talk) 07:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
>>while other issues that the patch may have fixed need to be tested (by Mahitgar,<< @ Siddhartha Ghai,
Rgds Mahitgar ( talk) 07:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, it seems some work has taken place on bug no 53757 and Bug No.53701 and it has been requested to test it at http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ but fire fox did not open that website for me ,firefox says the link is unreliable. May be you can help in testing these bugs and also guide me also.
Thanks and regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 02:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
@ User:JEissfeldt (WMF) @ Siddhartha Ghai,
Hi, Seasons greetings !
After several months I checked mr-wikipedia by enabling VE; but could not access ULS in article editing with VE ; ULS was working in search field. (So after testing I disaled VE again)
Any way any hopes or chances of any good news on these fronts ?
Regards
Mahitgar ( talk) 11:17, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Poll has finish. How we follow from here? Cheers. Ganímedes ( talk) 23:16, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Dear JEissfeldt,
You posted a message on my talk page requesting me to translate this ( this note on interface changes) block of text into Frisian. I'm afraid I'm going to have to respectfully decline. First of all, I'm not sure why you asked me, but I'm just a user, not an administrator, and I've no intention of becoming one. Second, the Frisian Wikipedia is a very small Wikipedia community and frankly it isn't worth the amount of time and energy it takes to translate these things, when most users are fluent enough in English to understand the English language version. (Perhaps in the future you could add a link to a Dutch translation; that might by useful to some Frisian users.) Also, and this is purely a personal thing concerning this VisualEditor, I cannot understand why people keep fiddling with things when they work just fine the way they are. Anyway, I thought the decent thing to do was give you an explanation for my non-compliance with your request, so here you are. I hope there are no hard feelings. I wish you Frohe Weihnachten und ein glückliches neues Jahr (or as we say in Frisian: noflike krystdagen en in lokkich nijjier). Ieneach fan 'e Esk ( talk) 17:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
@ JEissfeldt (WMF) and Runab WMF:: Hello. ULS has been disabled by default for about 25 days now since this announcement: mw:Universal_Language_Selector/Announcement_Jan2014. I have some questions:
Thanks.-- Siddhartha Ghai ( talk) 11:53, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
It has been suggested at WP:AN#Username gymnastics that I should forgo the diacritics in my username. Is this consistent with the missions of the foundation, to disregard the cultural heritage of long-term Wikipedia editors, so that things are made more "convenient" for bureaucrats? I, for one, am astonished that WP administrators would even entertain such a suggestion, let alone that there would appear to be considerable support for the idea. Sławomir Biały ( talk) 14:38, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Hallo Jan, es sieht aus, dass Wikipedia auf der Hauptseite eine Liste für andere Projekte hinzugefügt haben. Bei der mongolischer Hauptseite wurde nicht übersetzt, wenn du zugreifen kannst, bitte mit der übersetzung tauschen:
Grüß Munkhzaya.E ( talk) 08:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Something of interest to WMF [3]. 178.223.37.247 ( talk) 02:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
![]() |
Hi Jan, thank you for using your own account and name to communicate with us. I for one, appreciate it. starship .paint ( talk) 13:30, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
Are Office bans which are not required for legal compliance reasons, such as for harassment and incivility, appealable to Jimbo Wales? [4] EllenCT ( talk) 17:09, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
![]() |
Attaching your name to the Fram debate was a significant (and somewhat risky) move. I hope that having an individual rather than a faceless entity will help to calm the situation, but either way, you have earned a lot of respect from me for your action, and I appreciate it. creffett ( talk) 19:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC) |
Hi Jan. Members of this community are actively asking questions of you in response to the statement you made a few hours ago, as well as about the basis of the unprecedented one year ban of Fram. It would be immensely helpful if you would engage in an actual dialog and answer those questions, rather that simply issuing periodic statements about process. Avoiding non-privacy-violating questions about Fram's ban appears evasive, and that tends to undermine the principal of Trust. - Mr X 🖋 20:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Jan, you have provided some background about the position you hold in the WMF. Basically admitting that you are in charge of T&S but are not aware of what goes on. Perhaps you could let us know who your immediate superior is. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 09:17, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
The Detox tool here scores "I am gay" as 90% attack, 90% aggressive, but "I am straight" as 0% attack, 1% aggressive. It also scores certain ethnicities as more aggressive or attacking as others, and does not appear to regard some forms of anti-Semitic abuse as attacking or aggressive. It is not acceptable for such a tool to be hosted by the Foundation, still less for that tool to be used by the Foundation in any way when judging editor conduct. DuncanHill ( talk) 18:19, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Results: not attack: 1.00 attack: 0.00 not aggressive: 1.00 aggressive: 0.00
You can add sexist to the list of Detox's prejudices. It misses the EXACT thing it's supposed to prevent, sexual harassment. Vexations ( talk) 22:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
@ JEissfeldt (WMF): Further to the above, I am concerned that results from the tool may have been used to judge the behaviour of editors, and also for the preparation of papers. policy documents, etc. Can you confirm that the tool has not been used to evaluate editors, and that any papers etc based upon its results will be withdrawn? Thank you, DuncanHill ( talk) 14:30, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Why did users continue to be added until last month? [5] Leaky caldron ( talk) 09:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for any information you can provide. Jehochman Talk 08:06, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I have named you as a party in a request for arbitration. I did this so that you would receive case notices and also have the opportunity to comment on the case if you wish. Perhaps you will enjoy taking a close look at how the arbitration process works.
You are invited to make an initial statement of why the case should be accepted or declined, or to reply to questions posed by anyone else on the page. Please comment only in your own section. Jehochman Talk 12:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
![]() | |
Franz Kafka: Das Schloss | |
---|---|
... about alienation,
|
Today is Kafka's birthday, and his topics seem strikingly similar to what I feel looking at T&S action represented by you. I hope for more responsiveness and transparency. I have asked before, without response, on your German user talk, - better responsiveness begins with little steps. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
IIRC, after posts came from the WMFOffice account, several users pointed out that the prior understanding of the account was that it could not add comments (or make any other edits adding content), due to legal concerns. I don't remember seeing any responses to that from the WMF. The WMF's Legal policy still states that employees "should not engage in adding new content" when conducting office actions (see the part titled "No Editing" under "Office Actions"). Did the Trust and Safety team consult with Legal before performing the edits? Is it generally permissible for the WMF to post comments from that account? It would be helpful to get clarification on this.
Thanks. -- Yair rand ( talk) 21:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Your team’s action against Fram has been one of the most disruptive and divisive things to hit Wikipedia. Now here we are 3 months on without it resolved, and indeed still negatively affecting the environment, causing drama, refusing to end. Do you have anything else to add, or do you take away any lessons learned? It would be helpful to get your feedback. Do you think you owe the community an apology or do you still stand behind the ban? Mr Ernie ( talk) 19:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
We are a robust, but imperfect, self-regulating community. Please don't try to force change on us. You are welcome to attempt persuasion and education. In the long run these methods would be more effective than force and less disruptive too. Jehochman Talk 19:48, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I think that your comments, while well-intentioned, are adding more fuel to the fire than is actually necessary, especially if you are either unwilling or unable to do a little self-reflection on what went wrong with this controversy and what the foundation, and by proxy, your team, could have done differently. With that said, I’d like to respectfully request that you voluntarily recuse yourself from the upcoming RfC. I do believe that your intentions are good, but I also believe that your participation could be seen as disruptive by the rest of the community. OhKayeSierra ( talk) 18:44, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, I would like to thank the Arbitration Committee for all its hard work on this case. We know both the case and situation were unusual, and we appreciate Arbcom's dedication and approaching this with thought and nuance. We also appreciate Arbcom recognizing that it is permitted to hear and adjudicate private cases when such a case type is necessary. The Wikimedia Foundation looks forward to the coming RFC on the topic of "how harassment and private complaints should be handled in the future". We also invite community members to participate in the upcoming community consultation on the topic of partial and temporary office actions, which will be launching next Monday on Meta.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:31, 25 September 2019 (UTC)