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You didnt want Mohammad quoted saying that stuff like "If you look at a snake, you'll get an abortion". Why do you then accept quotes from other people like here? -- Matt57 ( talk• contribs) 19:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, Lewis does not say to what the brigandage posed a danger; your argument for removal is specious. Please self revert. Arrow740 17:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC) You admitted that protecting trade was the primary motive, and your stretched "revenge" interpretation is already accommodated. Please do not push this any further. Arrow740 19:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Good edit at Satanic Verses. I was just trying to correct Aminz' distortion of the intro; not everything needs to be sourced in an intro if it is repeated in the body. Arrow740 02:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Salam 'alaikum akhi, please check out the histories for the articles on Wahhabism and Salafism. The same anonymous user has been vandalizing both recently, and has refused discussion even after being warned. Since it's an anon user and ostensibly may not respond to messages, I am not sure where to go from here. Over and out. MezzoMezzo 19:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
As salamualaykum, just wanted to drop by and say salams to you both Scythian1 04:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Check out Talk:Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz if you get the chance. Swampant/Chubeat is back and now i'm not sure who is who with all these sockpuppetry and sneaky vandalism. I'm not sure what I should report first; any ideas? MezzoMezzo 20:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Itaqallah,
Please add this to your watchlist. Anon is very persistent. -- Aminz 22:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
re [3], Robinson says that after the battle of Badr:
Robinson says:"Umar wanted them[the prisoners] all slaughtered, but Muhammad decided that ransoms should be demanded first, after which they could kill any for whom no one was prepared to pay. He even went so far as to release two of them on the spot. On the other hand he gave free rein to his anger against two men who had attacked him on an intellectual level..."
This does seem to me to stand in odds with what Watt says:"after which they could kill any for whom no one was prepared to pay" unless it is meant that those who had the money but went unransomed could be killed.
-- Aminz 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
My addition about women shouting out the names of those who "must be avenged" really should satisfy you. The version states was Watt and Lewis do, that defending trade was the primary motive, and what predicated the need to restore prestige. The desire for revenge is also clearly demonstrated now. If you can find a concise quote from another source clearly indicating that revenge was a motive, perhaps we can synthesize that and the "respond to Medinese brigandage" quote and tidy up the section a bit. Arrow740 09:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I am hoping to get access to the Islamic Shi'ite Encyclopedia soon and should be able to replace the cites from Ordoni. → AA ( talk) — 08:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Do you know how war crimes (or other offenses committed during war) are dealt with in Islamic law? It would be a good addition to Islamic military jurisprudence.
I am familiar with the asbab al nuzul of verse 2:217: "They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offense)..."
I believe Muslims had attacked a Pagan caravan during the month in which there was to be peace. Could you shed some light on it, and its relation to Islamic jurisprudence. Bless sins 18:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
regarding your recent change to Islam, "Islam" is the masdar of the fourth S-L-M variant, aslama- also related to istislam and as-silm. see this for more information. ITAQALLAH 00:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I wrote the following on the Religion of peace talk page which seems to be going through the same argument as you are discussing above. (with the same people). Do you agree with the para below? I would like to replace the sentance about the words for Islam and peace being the same with some consensus. Is this OK? If not can you improve on it?
Islam means literally "submission" not "peace". "Submission" in this context means specifically "submission to the will of Allah". Muslims say Islam is a religion of peace because of the feeling of inner peace that follows from that submission. The words Islam (إسلام) and Peace (إسلام) are similar, but distinct, in Arabic, differing only by one letter and being derived from the same root.
Mike Young 00:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
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I thank you for your edits to the Fatima article as it was a biased article before you cleared up the biased remarks in the article and made it quite neutral.
Before you brought your attention to it, it was very biased and one of the editors did not allow anyone to make changes to it.
Thanks --- Hasseniqbal192 18:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi please could you vote I'm nominating myself for admin: Link -- Street Scholar 16:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Carabinieri 08:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed. I have made minor corrections and have included three points below that need to be addressed for the article to remain a GA. The points are listed on the talk page of the article; please address them within seven days and the article will maintain its GA status. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAC. If you have any questions let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 09:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Salam. Ramadan Mubarak.
Please look at Ali and Portal:Islam/Selected Muslim then tell me your idea about them. I would be grateful if you participated in editing Ali article or at least told me your suggestions. Jazak Allah Khar.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 10:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Please compare Portal:Islam/Selected Muslim with the lead of the Ali.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 13:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
...have you ever read this? It's pretty good. MezzoMezzo 19:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Could you lend your opinion on this discussion please. Thanks. → AA ( talk) — 21:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
What should i do with the image? What do i edit and which page do i edit? Do i re-upload?
The image is a screenshot from a freely distributed video, broadcast on youtube without any copyrights. I edited the image page a while ago to add this info, what else is there to do? It's a screenshot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xad ( talk • contribs) 10:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum. I hope you've had good time in Ramadan.
AA had nominated this article as a good one. I review it and found several problems. Therefor I put on hold tag on it and added my viewpoints in the talk page. Please help us with this article.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 09:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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wassalam ~ atif msg me - 04:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
It is not analyze but it is exactly what the text say. The text say there was more than one version and that the third order to destroy all but one.
You better pass on the text. And before you erase speak talk about it. 87.69.77.82 22:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Is bad style. I believe I've told you this before. Arrow740 08:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I saw this edit but I'm not sure which is supposed to be the correct quote. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
If you have time, you may want to contribute to the rewrite of this article following discussions on the talk page. → AA ( talk) — 09:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
-- howcheng { chat} 16:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)You should not repost the same text that has already been edited. It is quite inappropriate to do so without discussion.
Moreover, your unconfirmed source alleging a Jewish invitation, contradicts the earlier story that "two men were killed during skirmish in which the Muslims were involved. As a result Muhammad went to the Nadir, asking them to make a contribution towards the blood money of two men killed."
Furthermore, how can you say that "Usayr had a change of mind and drew a sword against Abdullah"? You know that thirty members of the unarmed Jewish delegation invited by Muhammad were killed on their way to the meeting and only one of them escaped.
User: Authoritative —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.216.237.34 ( talk) 19:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The story on the requested contribution has wide acceptance rather than the unfounded Jewish invitation to discuss religion.
Similarly, Usayr had no sword since the thirty-member Jewish delegation invited by Muhammad was unarmed.
User: Authoritative —Preceding comment was added at 20:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Why not state which account is widely accepted and more feasible? Why did you erase my second point since you verified its accuracy?
User: Authoritative —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.216.237.34 ( talk) 21:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The Military history WikiProject coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting nine coordinators from a pool of fourteen candidates to serve for the next six months. Please vote here by August 28! Wandalstouring 08:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
You didnt want Mohammad quoted saying that stuff like "If you look at a snake, you'll get an abortion". Why do you then accept quotes from other people like here? -- Matt57 ( talk• contribs) 19:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, Lewis does not say to what the brigandage posed a danger; your argument for removal is specious. Please self revert. Arrow740 17:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC) You admitted that protecting trade was the primary motive, and your stretched "revenge" interpretation is already accommodated. Please do not push this any further. Arrow740 19:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Good edit at Satanic Verses. I was just trying to correct Aminz' distortion of the intro; not everything needs to be sourced in an intro if it is repeated in the body. Arrow740 02:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Salam 'alaikum akhi, please check out the histories for the articles on Wahhabism and Salafism. The same anonymous user has been vandalizing both recently, and has refused discussion even after being warned. Since it's an anon user and ostensibly may not respond to messages, I am not sure where to go from here. Over and out. MezzoMezzo 19:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
As salamualaykum, just wanted to drop by and say salams to you both Scythian1 04:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Check out Talk:Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz if you get the chance. Swampant/Chubeat is back and now i'm not sure who is who with all these sockpuppetry and sneaky vandalism. I'm not sure what I should report first; any ideas? MezzoMezzo 20:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Itaqallah,
Please add this to your watchlist. Anon is very persistent. -- Aminz 22:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
re [3], Robinson says that after the battle of Badr:
Robinson says:"Umar wanted them[the prisoners] all slaughtered, but Muhammad decided that ransoms should be demanded first, after which they could kill any for whom no one was prepared to pay. He even went so far as to release two of them on the spot. On the other hand he gave free rein to his anger against two men who had attacked him on an intellectual level..."
This does seem to me to stand in odds with what Watt says:"after which they could kill any for whom no one was prepared to pay" unless it is meant that those who had the money but went unransomed could be killed.
-- Aminz 23:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
My addition about women shouting out the names of those who "must be avenged" really should satisfy you. The version states was Watt and Lewis do, that defending trade was the primary motive, and what predicated the need to restore prestige. The desire for revenge is also clearly demonstrated now. If you can find a concise quote from another source clearly indicating that revenge was a motive, perhaps we can synthesize that and the "respond to Medinese brigandage" quote and tidy up the section a bit. Arrow740 09:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I am hoping to get access to the Islamic Shi'ite Encyclopedia soon and should be able to replace the cites from Ordoni. → AA ( talk) — 08:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Do you know how war crimes (or other offenses committed during war) are dealt with in Islamic law? It would be a good addition to Islamic military jurisprudence.
I am familiar with the asbab al nuzul of verse 2:217: "They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offense)..."
I believe Muslims had attacked a Pagan caravan during the month in which there was to be peace. Could you shed some light on it, and its relation to Islamic jurisprudence. Bless sins 18:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
regarding your recent change to Islam, "Islam" is the masdar of the fourth S-L-M variant, aslama- also related to istislam and as-silm. see this for more information. ITAQALLAH 00:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
I wrote the following on the Religion of peace talk page which seems to be going through the same argument as you are discussing above. (with the same people). Do you agree with the para below? I would like to replace the sentance about the words for Islam and peace being the same with some consensus. Is this OK? If not can you improve on it?
Islam means literally "submission" not "peace". "Submission" in this context means specifically "submission to the will of Allah". Muslims say Islam is a religion of peace because of the feeling of inner peace that follows from that submission. The words Islam (إسلام) and Peace (إسلام) are similar, but distinct, in Arabic, differing only by one letter and being derived from the same root.
Mike Young 00:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The August 2007 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.
Delivered by grafikbot 09:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I thank you for your edits to the Fatima article as it was a biased article before you cleared up the biased remarks in the article and made it quite neutral.
Before you brought your attention to it, it was very biased and one of the editors did not allow anyone to make changes to it.
Thanks --- Hasseniqbal192 18:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi please could you vote I'm nominating myself for admin: Link -- Street Scholar 16:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
-- Carabinieri 08:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed. I have made minor corrections and have included three points below that need to be addressed for the article to remain a GA. The points are listed on the talk page of the article; please address them within seven days and the article will maintain its GA status. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAC. If you have any questions let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. -- Nehrams2020 09:31, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Salam. Ramadan Mubarak.
Please look at Ali and Portal:Islam/Selected Muslim then tell me your idea about them. I would be grateful if you participated in editing Ali article or at least told me your suggestions. Jazak Allah Khar.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 10:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Please compare Portal:Islam/Selected Muslim with the lead of the Ali.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 13:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
...have you ever read this? It's pretty good. MezzoMezzo 19:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Could you lend your opinion on this discussion please. Thanks. → AA ( talk) — 21:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
What should i do with the image? What do i edit and which page do i edit? Do i re-upload?
The image is a screenshot from a freely distributed video, broadcast on youtube without any copyrights. I edited the image page a while ago to add this info, what else is there to do? It's a screenshot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xad ( talk • contribs) 10:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum. I hope you've had good time in Ramadan.
AA had nominated this article as a good one. I review it and found several problems. Therefor I put on hold tag on it and added my viewpoints in the talk page. Please help us with this article.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 09:41, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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wassalam ~ atif msg me - 04:46, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
It is not analyze but it is exactly what the text say. The text say there was more than one version and that the third order to destroy all but one.
You better pass on the text. And before you erase speak talk about it. 87.69.77.82 22:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Is bad style. I believe I've told you this before. Arrow740 08:35, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
I saw this edit but I'm not sure which is supposed to be the correct quote. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
If you have time, you may want to contribute to the rewrite of this article following discussions on the talk page. → AA ( talk) — 09:39, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
-- howcheng { chat} 16:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)You should not repost the same text that has already been edited. It is quite inappropriate to do so without discussion.
Moreover, your unconfirmed source alleging a Jewish invitation, contradicts the earlier story that "two men were killed during skirmish in which the Muslims were involved. As a result Muhammad went to the Nadir, asking them to make a contribution towards the blood money of two men killed."
Furthermore, how can you say that "Usayr had a change of mind and drew a sword against Abdullah"? You know that thirty members of the unarmed Jewish delegation invited by Muhammad were killed on their way to the meeting and only one of them escaped.
User: Authoritative —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.216.237.34 ( talk) 19:48, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
The story on the requested contribution has wide acceptance rather than the unfounded Jewish invitation to discuss religion.
Similarly, Usayr had no sword since the thirty-member Jewish delegation invited by Muhammad was unarmed.
User: Authoritative —Preceding comment was added at 20:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Why not state which account is widely accepted and more feasible? Why did you erase my second point since you verified its accuracy?
User: Authoritative —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.216.237.34 ( talk) 21:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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